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 #1 
Old 2008-01-14, 21:32
Cannabisman Cannabisman is offline
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Default ATTN: JoePedo

Sorry if this is against the rules...

Joepedo, I know you probably hear this a lot, but I think you are a wealth of info, especially after reading your posts in the DL-phenyl thread. This is why Im writhing this.

If you could point me in the general direction of studying aminos and/or neurochemistry/chemistry I would very much appreciate it.

Please dont just link me to pubmed or wiki, if there are any resources that would be easy for a beginner to understand, as well as some that are a little more advanced, i would be very grateful.

again, I would've pm-ed him............had this option been available...........
delete if this doesnt belong.
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Old 2008-01-14, 23:28
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Default Re: ATTN: JoePedo

Wiki is about as simple as your gonna get, look for basic chem books at your local library or book store.

They'll get you on the path to understanding it.

It's a certain way of thinking that can be hard as fuck to get your head around. :)
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Old 2008-01-15, 01:25
Pooter Pooter is offline
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There are actually some nice intro full version organic chem books on wiki.
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Old 2008-01-15, 02:13
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mah compound
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Joe Pedo is not your personal tutor. GTFO.


And you know, you said you tried to send him a message, and he had it disabled. Can you take a hint? I'm sure he doesn't want the hoards of tards at BLTC constantly bugging the shit out of him saying teach me teach me. You want to learn? Then stop fucking around wasting time here and GO LEARN MOTHERFUCKER.
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Old 2008-01-15, 02:13
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Default Re: ATTN: JoePedo

Ok well if there is a JP thread then I have a question I have to ask to...

Jp...are you into nootropics/brain booster drugs? You mentioned most of your brain activity being "manual" kind of jokingly but I get a hint... It seems like your whole 'vibe' is learning the programming language that is the human body and I'm sure there is some good code you've stumbled across.

Or are you just naturally really smart and work hard to learn all of the info in your head? Do you just think of something you want to research and google it and search for connections? What do you do for a living?
 #6 
Old 2008-01-15, 02:17
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Ok well if there is a JP thread then I have a question I have to ask to...

Jp...are you into nootropics/brain booster drugs? You mentioned most of your brain activity being "manual" kind of jokingly but I get a hint...

Or are you just naturally really smart and work hard to learn all of the info in your head? Do you just think of something you want to research and google it and search for connections? What do you do for a living?

You know... a great thing about the internet is that you can stay anonymous. And if JP wanted everyone to know what he did for a living, he would probably have put it in his profile. Don't go bugging this guy for shit you can fucking look up on google.
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Old 2008-01-15, 03:33
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Default Re: ATTN: JoePedo

Learning is a simple process. Go read, absorb information, and then retain it for later recapitulation...
 #8 
Old 2008-01-15, 03:35
Cannabisman Cannabisman is offline
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Default Re: ATTN: JoePedo

Damn, what the fuck.....
It was a simple question, I saw some of his posts in another thread and he seemed like a good person to as about that kinf of stuff.
calm down.......
 #9 
Old 2008-01-15, 03:59
3xplosive obs3sed 3xplosive obs3sed is offline
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Yeah JoePedo is smart as fuck, maybe if you offer him some $ via paypal or something that will get his attention.
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Old 2008-01-15, 04:03
Aces N 8S Aces N 8S is offline
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you obviously didnt read the dl phenylalanine thread since he says on the 3rd or 4th page that he gets most of his info from the nih website at nih.gov
 #11 
Old 2008-01-15, 05:22
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If you could point me in the general direction of studying aminos and/or neurochemistry/chemistry I would very much appreciate it.

Please dont just link me to pubmed...

Too bad. Contemporary scientific research is sort of where it's all at. Scholar.google.com is a decent secondary...

if there are any resources that would be easy for a beginner to understand

Well, like I said - the current research is where it is... but, one does have to have a decent science background to be able to read it...

http://www.acdlabs.com/iupac/nomenclature/
http://dbhs.wvusd.k12.ca.us/webdocs/Metric/Metric-Prefixes.html
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Mole.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors
http://scene.asu.edu/habitat/s_method.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
http://advan.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/26/2/110
http://computing.unn.ac.uk/staff/CGPB4/prologbook/node16.html

Naturally, there exists a good deal of overlap; the difference between correlation and causation and the fallacy of post hoc, ergo propter hoc are related; variable isolation is related to post hoc, equivocation, and the like, statistical type I and type II errors tend to be magnified or minimized with sample size variance, which tends to be referred to as the n-value... (e.g. n=314...)... and the like...

...but the above should give a decent start on a liberal education in the sciences with some specificities to the science in question. Also, the last thread that asked for a molecular neurobiology consult (not approved by the FDA, not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure any disease, lol), I included realtime documentation of a de novo research process (http://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=9416795&postcount=19) for just such a question.

Unfortunately, there are no shortcuts. You're going to have to be able to read the contemporary science results if you want to understand the contemporary state of science... but hopefully, this will give you some of the background and an idea of how to conduct multilayered research...

Jp...are you into nootropics/brain booster drugs? You mentioned most of your brain activity being "manual" kind of jokingly but I get a hint...

I've managed to avoid the whole "smart drugs" scene... like, entirely... but yes, I operate my brain and body mostly on a manual, deliberate basis at will.

Or are you just naturally really smart and work hard to learn all of the info in your head? Do you just think of something you want to research and google it and search for connections?

Pretty much...

Started reading at age 1, began entymology and palentology at about 2 or 3, particle physics at 7, spent a year in laser theory at 8, atmospheric chemistry at 9, a week of structural engineering at 10... etc. Picked up a lot of shit on the side during those times, too... local astronomy at about 4, botany starting at around 5 or 6, bunch of other junk... 'n so, whenever there exists something - either something to learn, or something to get done, that learning might help, I tend to...

...read. A whole fucking lot. Pretty much... nonstop, 8-16 hours a day, sometimes more, until I am a competent working professional on the subject.

What do you do for a living?

Panhandling!!!

You know those "worthless" people that your parents always told you you'd become if you didn't devote yourself to learning? Well... actually, it's what you become if you do devote yourself to learning. Somehow, no accredited institution manages to see the wisdom in "read for 36 hours, then take a test," which leads to such questions as "what am I doing here?" and "wouldn't this time be better spent in a library?" and the like...

So, yes... being an unwashed, uneducated transient is a great profession, and the place society finds the most use for someone of my unique talents. As for a living, it's mostlys self-manufacture - it's sort of a running joke in LT that anything I mention tends to start with "smash this rock" or "grab any plant and burn it" or such, from scratch to modern technology, and provides much, much lulz everytime someone from BLTC wanders in for a/b advice and makes the mistake of using the phrase "cheapest" in a sentence...

The nature of human intelligence, even of the most minimal sort, from time immemorial has not been one of dependence... it has been one of finding ways around one's problems and enacting them independently. 'n since society says it has no place for those who enjoy learning in the slightest, the solution is to do everything, from polymers to textiles to equipment for a physics laboratory to food, without them... myself, from the same raw materials that the industry which has excluded me uses, from beginning to end.

It actually works very, very, very fucking well. Everything is free when you take it back far enough, and there's not only no decrease in quality... but an increase, because you can custom manufacture everything to your slightest whim and specification. In case you haven't noticed - not much trickles down to the consumer level, and what does do so takes years.

I avoid this loss in quality of life by being part of the source, rather than the consumer.

Being a throwaway is simply a better life.

Oh, and incidentally... thanks to 3xplosive for tryin' to look out for me, but...

You know... a great thing about the internet is that you can stay anonymous.

...gets in the way of fiscal transfers at the moment. ~str8guyhugz~ thanks for lookin' out, though... good of you.
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Old 2008-01-15, 12:00
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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Default Re: ATTN: JoePedo

I like to think of myself as above average intelligence......the "system's" tests tell me -.-

i have been told that i have a "scientific" mind... i have always wanted explanations...never accepted...always questioned.....and still do

years of being told to be a wall against which bounces the ball we call "knowledge" has lead me to the point of knowing the chemistry, organic nomenclature, statistics calculus........always learning passively.....stuff that i have been taught was done so in a passive manner and active...i have never been told the theories or proofs...always treated like a computer......:(

i learned without interest...without curiosity....the flame of childhood curiosities has almost been extinguished.....

recently.....with a light nudge of something in my mentality....maybe even from joe pedo's posts....as i tend to turn him and his over in my head frequently....

I am receptive to the song he sings....the tale he tells...i have browsed through many of his posts...

.... i have come to conclude...it is not the knowledge i lacked.... i am drowning in knowledge...but it has been made non combustible....dead weight...only usable to the ones who i work for....exploited by others...yet bringing me nothing.

im beginning to awaken....... to think...

with it i throw fuel on the fire of curiosity.....the one that had become nothing more but dull ambers....it is coming alive...

it is not a function of time....but of interest......

p.s excuse my writing...i have not been myself lately....a brain fog...a retardation of some sort.....my thinking has been inattentive and sentence structures might not make sense. Thoughts come in bursts.....(i really think i might have schizophrenia)
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Old 2008-01-15, 14:49
consciouscowboy consciouscowboy is offline
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Default Re: ATTN: JoePedo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ave2
I like to think of myself as above average intelligence......the "system's" tests tell me -.-

i have been told that i have a "scientific" mind... i have always wanted explanations...never accepted...always questioned.....and still do

years of being told to be a wall against which bounces the ball we call "knowledge" has lead me to the point of knowing the chemistry, organic nomenclature, statistics calculus........always learning passively.....stuff that i have been taught was done so in a passive manner and active...i have never been told the theories or proofs...always treated like a computer......:(

i learned without interest...without curiosity....the flame of childhood curiosities has almost been extinguished.....

recently.....with a light nudge of something in my mentality....maybe even from joe pedo's posts....as i tend to turn him and his over in my head frequently....

I am receptive to the song he sings....the tale he tells...i have browsed through many of his posts...

.... i have come to conclude...it is not the knowledge i lacked.... i am drowning in knowledge...but it has been made non combustible....dead weight...only usable to the ones who i work for....exploited by others...yet bringing me nothing.

im beginning to awaken....... to think...

with it i throw fuel on the fire of curiosity.....the one that had become nothing more but dull ambers....it is coming alive...

it is not a function of time....but of interest......

p.s excuse my writing...i have not been myself lately....a brain fog...a retardation of some sort.....my thinking has been inattentive and sentence structures might not make sense. Thoughts come in bursts.....(i really think i might have schizophrenia)


You are trying way too hard. And you are not the fucking "A Beautiful Mind" guy.
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Old 2008-01-15, 15:27
Cannabisman Cannabisman is offline
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Default Re: ATTN: JoePedo

Thank you very much joe, I have been doing a little research on forums and the such, but its all still a little confusing. I'll just keep it up and maybe it will all just "click" into place one-day.

Also, thanks for the story, kinda inspirational IMHO.
 #15 
Old 2008-01-15, 19:08
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Motherfucker cracks me up every time he posts.
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Old 2008-01-15, 22:24
Pooter Pooter is offline
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stupid noob
Motherfucker cracks me up every time he posts.


Seconded.
 #17 
Old 2008-01-16, 14:41
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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You are trying way too hard. And you are not the fucking "A Beautiful Mind" guy.

im sorry im not into dance....
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Old 2008-01-16, 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ave2
I like to think of myself as above average intelligence......the "system's" tests tell me -.-

i have been told that i have a "scientific" mind... i have always wanted explanations...never accepted...always questioned.....and still do

years of being told to be a wall against which bounces the ball we call "knowledge" has lead me to the point of knowing the chemistry, organic nomenclature, statistics calculus........always learning passively.....stuff that i have been taught was done so in a passive manner and active...i have never been told the theories or proofs...always treated like a computer......:(

i learned without interest...without curiosity....the flame of childhood curiosities has almost been extinguished.....

recently.....with a light nudge of something in my mentality....maybe even from joe pedo's posts....as i tend to turn him and his over in my head frequently....

I am receptive to the song he sings....the tale he tells...i have browsed through many of his posts...

.... i have come to conclude...it is not the knowledge i lacked.... i am drowning in knowledge...but it has been made non combustible....dead weight...only usable to the ones who i work for....exploited by others...yet bringing me nothing.

im beginning to awaken....... to think...

with it i throw fuel on the fire of curiosity.....the one that had become nothing more but dull ambers....it is coming alive...

it is not a function of time....but of interest......

p.s excuse my writing...i have not been myself lately....a brain fog...a retardation of some sort.....my thinking has been inattentive and sentence structures might not make sense. Thoughts come in bursts.....(i really think i might have schizophrenia)


Shut up Russell Crowe.
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Old 2008-01-16, 17:55
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OMG JOEPEDO!!!

My kitten crimbed up a tree and is now struck. Can you help me!?!!?
 #20 
Old 2008-01-16, 18:19
kenton kenton is offline
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Quote:
Originally Posted by legituser
OMG JOEPEDO!!!

My kitten crimbed up a tree and is now struck. Can you help me!?!!?



*facepalm*

*Sigh* There is possibly a β-Phenylethylamine imbalance, in your cats behavior, indicated by the trace amine absence and paranoid state by the depletion of the BST molecule.

Try crushing up some leaves and throwing them at it :)


Also, try posting while *not* on benadryl. :)
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Old 2008-01-16, 18:23
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*facepalm*

*Sigh* There is possibly a β-Phenylethylamine imbalance, in your cats behavior, indicated by the trace amine absence and paranoid state by the depletion of the BST molecule.

Try crushing up some leaves and throwing them at it :)


Also, try posting while *not* on benadryl. :)

Thank you, but I was asking JoePedo.
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Old 2008-01-16, 19:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ave2
I like to think of myself as above average intelligence......the "system's" tests tell me -.-

i have been told that i have a "scientific" mind... i have always wanted explanations...never accepted...always questioned.....and still do

years of being told to be a wall against which bounces the ball we call "knowledge" has lead me to the point of knowing the chemistry, organic nomenclature, statistics calculus........always learning passively.....stuff that i have been taught was done so in a passive manner and active...i have never been told the theories or proofs...always treated like a computer......:(

i learned without interest...without curiosity....the flame of childhood curiosities has almost been extinguished.....

recently.....with a light nudge of something in my mentality....maybe even from joe pedo's posts....as i tend to turn him and his over in my head frequently....

I am receptive to the song he sings....the tale he tells...i have browsed through many of his posts...

.... i have come to conclude...it is not the knowledge i lacked.... i am drowning in knowledge...but it has been made non combustible....dead weight...only usable to the ones who i work for....exploited by others...yet bringing me nothing.

im beginning to awaken....... to think...

with it i throw fuel on the fire of curiosity.....the one that had become nothing more but dull ambers....it is coming alive...

it is not a function of time....but of interest......

p.s excuse my writing...i have not been myself lately....a brain fog...a retardation of some sort.....my thinking has been inattentive and sentence structures might not make sense. Thoughts come in bursts.....(i really think i might have schizophrenia)


I am seriously starting to think you might be a Shulgin ;)
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Old 2008-01-16, 19:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by legituser
OMG JOEPEDO!!!

My kitten crimbed up a tree and is now struck. Can you help me!?!!?


~sigh~

"When one is stuck with a cat, one must grab the lube."
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Old 2008-01-17, 17:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ave2
I like to think of myself as above average intelligence......the "system's" tests tell me -.-

i have been told that i have a "scientific" mind... i have always wanted explanations...never accepted...always questioned.....and still do

years of being told to be a wall against which bounces the ball we call "knowledge" has lead me to the point of knowing the chemistry, organic nomenclature, statistics calculus........always learning passively.....stuff that i have been taught was done so in a passive manner and active...i have never been told the theories or proofs...always treated like a computer......:(

i learned without interest...without curiosity....the flame of childhood curiosities has almost been extinguished.....

recently.....with a light nudge of something in my mentality....maybe even from joe pedo's posts....as i tend to turn him and his over in my head frequently....

I am receptive to the song he sings....the tale he tells...i have browsed through many of his posts...

.... i have come to conclude...it is not the knowledge i lacked.... i am drowning in knowledge...but it has been made non combustible....dead weight...only usable to the ones who i work for....exploited by others...yet bringing me nothing.

im beginning to awaken....... to think...

with it i throw fuel on the fire of curiosity.....the one that had become nothing more but dull ambers....it is coming alive...

it is not a function of time....but of interest......

p.s excuse my writing...i have not been myself lately....a brain fog...a retardation of some sort.....my thinking has been inattentive and sentence structures might not make sense. Thoughts come in bursts.....(i really think i might have schizophrenia)



Man, thats inspirational shit
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Old 2008-01-17, 17:46
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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Man, thats inspirational shit

seriously?Confused

looking back
i don't really understand much of what i wrote.....what was i thinking....Confused
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Old 2008-01-17, 17:47
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seriously?Confused

looking back
i don't really understand much of what i wrote.....what was i thinking....Confused

too much "................."
 #27 
Old 2008-01-17, 17:51
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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too much "................."

i remember typing it.......and i understand it...but what the fuck was i thinking...
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Old 2008-01-17, 17:54
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... what the fuck was i thinking ...

"Hmmm, this appears vaguely schizophrenic ..."

Something along those lines? :)
 #29 
Old 2008-01-17, 18:15
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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"Hmmm, this appears vaguely schizophrenic ..."

Something along those lines? :)

something along those lines :(

i really dont want to think about it....:(
 #30 
Old 2008-01-17, 18:20
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mah compound
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something along those lines :(

i really dont want to think about it....:(
Ignoring him only makes him stronger.
 #31 
Old 2008-01-17, 19:22
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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Ignoring him only makes him stronger.

who is him?

I'm not some Hollywood style, split personality disorder....fuck....
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Old 2008-01-17, 19:46
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I'm not some Hollywood style, split personality disorder....fuck....

Maybe. Or maybe all of &totse is really just an elaborate illusion, a part of your twisted little perception of reality.

EEK!
 #33 
Old 2008-01-17, 19:54
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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Maybe. Or maybe all of &totse is really just an elaborate illusion, a part of your twisted little perception of reality.

EEK!

noooo :o

im sure i can tell the difference between reality and Mad.......well actually an illusion is something percived as real.... so Mad


BUT this is real!Mad
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Old 2008-01-17, 19:55
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What I don't get is..................... why Ave2 frequently feeds the need to discuss himself whenever JoeP is brought up, as if he's craving for his recognition and acknowledgment of intelligence.

That is why I said you were jealous not to long, Ave.
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Old 2008-01-17, 19:58
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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Quote:
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What I don't get is..................... why Ave2 frequently feeds the need to discuss himself whenever JoeP is brought up, as if he's craving for his recognition and acknowledgment of intelligence.

That is why I said you were jealous not to long, Ave.


when you devote a thread to me....i will tend to it, and bump it every day......:)
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Old 2008-01-17, 19:59
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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Ignoring him only makes him stronger.

or as "stupid noob's" fractured mind tried putting it....


ignore me, your attention makes me stronger.
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Old 2008-01-17, 20:10
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ignore me, your attention makes me stronger.

There you go.

... but I came for the lulz ...

... Ave2 frequently feeds the need to discuss himself whenever JoeP is brought up, as if he's craving for his recognition and acknowledgment of intelligence.

lol
 #38 
Old 2008-01-17, 20:24
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mah compound
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.......random schizo blabbering...........

You need to seek the assistance of a mental health professional before this escalates into another episode.
 #39 
Old 2008-01-17, 20:26
Ave2 Ave2 is offline
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You need to seek the assistance of a mental health professional before this escalates into another episode.

totse works just fine for me
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Old 2008-01-17, 20:36
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mah compound
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totse works just fine for me



and there's the concrete proof ladies and gentlemen of the j.......err forum.
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Old 2008-01-17, 21:48
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and there's the concrete proof ladies and gentlemen of the j.......err forum.

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