In concept, the idea seems simple. Cocaine (and many other drug) molecules are so small the immune system fails to recognize them and make the antibodies necessary to mount an attack. To help the immune system, Kosten attached inactivated cocaine to the outside of inactivated cholera proteins.

In response, the immune system not only makes antibodies to the combination, which is harmless, but also recognizes the potent naked drug when it's ingested. The antibodies bind to the cocaine and prevent it from reaching the brain, where it normally would generate the highs that are so addictive.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5414706.html

That's not good.

Yeah I've heard about that through various literature for years. Not only for Cocaine. I distinctly remember Opiates, their were probably others.

Doesn't make much sense though for Opiates seeing as how their unique in their therapeutic value for extreme pain.

I also remember it being mentioned as a choice for parents to their newborn.

Hell, even Cocaine is the ONLY very effective option in some eye surgeries.

i've heard about it. apparently there is research underway to develop 'vaccines' for several drugs, although the viability is questionable for them. imagine being 'vaccinated' against heroin addicton. sounds great until you need pain treatment. it's a novel idea that may be possible if the kinks are worked out, but until then in my book it's certainly not something i'd consider subjecting anyone to.

Id take a vaccine for oxy any day only drug i fear im succumbing too..

wow. just oxy? i can see my self getting addicted to cigarettes way more easily than oxy. what about heroin or morphine or fentanyl?

I'm getting my jenkem vaccine sometime soon.

This covers the entire area quite well I think, though there is quite a bit more out there if you look.


http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/issues/pharmacotherapy.html

I smoke cigarettes and absolutely hate that fact. Haven't been able to muster up quitting either. If this was available for nicotine I'd go get vaccinated tomorrow.

That is fucking evil! If I got vaccinated against any drug I like, I would murder/suicide.

Do note that it will be exactly like quitting cold turkey; no nicotine product will work after vaccination.

Fucking right man. This is against everything I believe in.

Do note that it will be exactly like quitting cold turkey; no nicotine product will work after vaccination.

I woulnt care because I wouldnt have a choice but to quit even if it was horrible for a few days it would soon be fine.

Just think if a heroin or coke addicts gets vaccinated, they would be going cold turkey and no ammount of the drug would be able to get rid of the withdrawals.

I dont think the tobbaco companys would let a thing like a nicotine vaccination happen on a large scale (if they have as much power as people seem to think.)

Just think if a heroin or coke addicts gets vaccinated, they would be going cold turkey and no ammount of the drug would be able to get rid of the withdrawals.


In that case, it may be even lethal to vaccinate a hardcore user and force their bodies into withdrawal...

THis whole concept is way too harmful than helpful for users most times, but vaccinating kids in infancy....
That's so fucked up it just might happen.

awesome thread. props.

you would have to find a way for it to only make anti bodies for things like heroin.... or else any pain medication for an injury or surgery is now useless and your left suffering short of routine lidocaine injections...

and cocaine is the only option for some eye surgeries...

amphetamines? some kids honestly do need that shit to function on a normal level...

what people fail to realize is that no matter how evil they think all of these chemicals are, 99% of them have some medical application, whether its pain, or psychotherapy....

scientists tried too make a 'vaccine' for heroin on rats in the 60s. it seemed too work, in that the effects of the drug wasnt felt. but they noticed that the rats would choose other drugs for their effects and that after a dose sixteen times normal that the vaccine was no longer effective and the full effects of the drug were felt.

You guys that are attacking it are just as bad as some of those people you're against.

Ever see X-Men 3? Remember they had that vaccination to stop their mutant powers from working? It's all good if the mutant/drug addict goes for it on their own volition (no im not trying to say drug addicts are mutants). I think it's great that something like this can exist and be available for those who want or need it. The only problems, like with all things including drugs, is the potential for abuse. If this becomes an option after birth as standard as to circumsise or not, then it's a problem. If the government decides to use it as a weapon, say vaccinating people in jail for drug charges, or people in rehabs or hospitals without them knowing it or against their wishes, then I've got beef with it.

But everything has risks and can be dangerous in the wrong hands. It's our responsibility to not let it get that far.

So who are you guys to say that this shouldn't be made? There are a lot of people who would kill for something like this, to be cured of their agony that their drug addiction has become. Why do you think they should be deprived of pleasure and happiness? Isn't that a bit...hypocritical?

the issue is vaccinating at birth, or government mandated vaccination of everyone.

All of you bitching need to read that link I posted.


And lidocaine injection routines can never get everything. They help, but only so much.

You should read X-Men comics. They're much better than the movies. Well, actually I dunno about the current ones, 'cause I stopped reading them a few years ago. Some older trade paperbacks would be a good purchase.

You should read X-Men comics. They're much better than the movies. Well, actually I dunno about the current ones, 'cause I stopped reading them a few years ago. Some older trade paperbacks would be a good purchase.

I thank you for your suggestion, your ideas are important to me. Unfortunatly I have no plans to GIVE A SHIT at this current time.

Their is no such things as drugs of abuse. All drugs have medical uses. Responsible use is key.

You should read X-Men comics. They're much better than the movies. Well, actually I dunno about the current ones, 'cause I stopped reading them a few years ago. Some older trade paperbacks would be a good purchase.

Maybe people watch the movies because they're to lazy or not nerd enough to read the comics?

vaccinating for opiates would be BAAAAAAADDDDD!! seeing as morphine is a natural component in your brain