Alrite i know this is a topic of controversy but in you guys opinion what are the 5 best legal botanicals?

Hawian baby woodrose seeds
and "name five"?

Fuck your pickyness

Kratom (it takes skill to find the right kind....lots of BS out there)
Kava (takes the right kind of kava, skill, tools, and other ingredients to make to an acceptable, filtered, palatable drink)

Mescaline
Salvia
HBWR
Poppy's
Kratom

yeah 5, cause i wanna order some and i dont just want to order one thing.

Also, what type of kratom is best, and where is the best place to get it? cause thats on the top of my list right now.

M. Hostilis
B. caapi
Mescaline

those all require an A/B extraction and lab grade solvents.

those all require an A/B extraction and lab grade solvents.

No, it would require vinegar and water.

datura

Nutmeg.

mescaline isnt legal. the cacti however are.

Lab grade solvents my ass.

I've been doing home chemistry for YEARS (well not anymore, I quit, got a kid now) but anyway, I've NEVER had to order online, or from a supplier. I have ALWAYS been able to find everything I need OTC.

It's there, you just aren't looking hard enough.

I would stay away from the obscure things, I am not saying they don't work, but there is a good chance that their effects are slight or damn near placebo. The ones I would reccomend are:

1. DMT
2. Mescaline
3. LSA
4. Salvia
5. Aminita Muscaria

im not one to use blue methanol, or lighter fluid.

those all require an A/B extraction and lab grade solvents.

or you could mix them, and let your stomach do the A/B extraction for you

Ave, BULLSHIT. You live in NY. I know for a FACT that a very wide range of chemicals are available to you. Stop being a lazy bitch and go start reading labels.

Pods (if you can really call em that, guess so)
Kratom
Kratom Full Spectrum Extract
7-mitrygnine Extract (or wtf ever the shit in kratom is)
And more poppy pods...

As you can tell I have limited expirence, only shit i've tried has been

Kratom (leaf & resin, I find this shit to be best used to potentiate good opis, works wonders for me and my high tolerence to eat 3-5grams of some good leaf and a good dose and nodd the fuck out, where as with no salvia i'd only get the speedy effects, which is good also but sometimes a good nodd is what ya need).. Also there is now the more powerfull extracts out, which kinda worries me as this only makes it a shorter route to criminalization, I really hope it doesn't happen cause the plant REALLY needs to be looked into, a plant besides the opium poppy that has akaloids that work on the mu_opiod receptors? Not matter other plants can say that and they are weak compared to the good alks in kratom (when extracted)...

Salvia (the extract is STRONG shit, but not fun at all IME/O), kinda scary really, i'd say def try it while its still legal, but I doubt you'll be buying much more of it, only get a gram of some 10x, no more cause you prolly wont enjoy it much...

P. Torch (I ate 1.5oz and gave up, couldn't stumich no more, it felt like I was 'coming up' for a little bit but that led to nothing... Now I chalk that up to weak product or just plain out that I needed a lot more, i'd suggest doing a extract to make dosing easier and effects more pronounced... I got the stuff from MGB btw if it matters...

Blue Lotus Resin (I wasn't sure wtf to even do with the stuff, I smoked some and ate the rest and have no idea if it did much as I mixed it with better drugs at the time, so who knows, suppose to have sedative effect...



So yeah not much botanicals for me but theres my expirences and as you can clearly tell, i'd buy all pods and kratom if I were going to order up a lot of botanicals (whoops I mean floral arrangment supplies)...

Plus with winter comming you need to order soon in case like last winter pod prices sky rocket (went from 17-20$USD for a cup of grounds to 75-80$)...

Kratom also went up last winter too but not that extreme, i've heard kilos sell for around 270 so their ya go, make sure you try samples before making any orders of that size...

at leasts that my 2 cents, you can tell I like my opis eh?

I've always wanted to try out HBRW seeds though, I've heard good and bad about them, seems its 50/50 with ppl who enjoyed it and the ppl who said they felt horirble and sick... Any thoughs or good advice on a prep (a true and tried one by whomever replies about it, if anyone does) to fix the body load they give folks? I have limited expirence w/ halls, i've only taken shrooms 3 times, twice being only taking a Dime (2g) of cyans, and the last time being fucking amazing when I cut up and ate a 8gram (with the baggy on handscales) bag of *wet* Hawian Cyans, they'd been picked the night before with only a few paper towls under/over them to help em dry out... The guy made the bag by eye meaning for it to be a 20 bag (3.5-4g, $20 are usually always 4g of comm bud here) which I traded him a Purdue 40mg for, but when I weigh'd it up like I said it was 8 grams w/ the bag, but I figured them being only picked the night before and still wet that it would of equaled out to 4g dried, if not less. Great deal IMO since its hard to find cid/shrooms around here unless you know someone who is growing em which I do not ATM... It was a awesome trip though, punkin head like a mofo and tracers/shit bending all over the place, no major halls but fuck it i had a fucking blast...

jeez I wrote a book, I always do when im on a good opi Dose...

Heres to 50mg of Done, 20mg of OC, and the boosting power of benzos (30mg Temazepam and .5mg Xanax) woot woot I sure feel good tonight guys...

Controversy? How does this topic cause controversy?

By the way, how bout you actually learn/research the different plants and with time formulate your own understanding of what botanicals you find most valuable... You must realize ethnobotanicals or drugs for that matter - affect every1 differently, and it's only researching/experimenting with different things till you find what botanicals are best suited for you.
To put it simply - there is no such thing as the "Best" botanicals .. instead it's all a matter of opinion which is why it's best to experiment yourself so you have a first hand account of how whatever it is affects you.

.peace.

Controversy? How does this topic cause controversy?

By the way, how bout you actually learn/research the different plants and with time formulate your own understanding of what botanicals you find most valuable... You must realize ethnobotanicals or drugs for that matter - affect every1 differently, and it's only researching/experimenting with different things till you find what botanicals are best suited for you.
To put it simply - there is no such thing as the "Best" botanicals .. instead it's all a matter of opinion which is why it's best to experiment yourself so you have a first hand account of how whatever it is affects you.

.peace.


He doesn't give a shit about any of that. It's just one more loser fucking moron coming to totse asking the easiest and best ways to get high. That's all these little fucks care about is getting high. Which is why I despise a large number of people here.

^^^

Well if that is indeed the case then HE in the long run will be screwing himself cause it's only what I've stated that results in true learning of what plants have what effect and so on. So if he's just looking to be spoon fed a wealth of info that takes others time and experience - fuxk him, really I couldn’t give a shit less. ;)

.peace.

That's why I'm such a dick.

i have read many a labels....all of the solutions i have seen are definitely not even close to pure.

name one acceptable non polar solvent that can be bought in a common hardware store.

First of all, every lowes and home depot carries NaOH, HCl and H2SO4. As for solvents, there is always VM&P naphtha, as well as ether/heptane, which is totally usable as a NP straight from the can, can be had for as low as a dollar a can. Smaller hardware stores will carry toluene, xylenes, and sometimes larger chains as well.

Toluene as well as xylene can be distilled out of goo gone type products, and THF can be distilled from certain types of rubber cement.

And rigging a distillation set up is as easy as making a bong, well, almost.

Controversy? How does this topic cause controversy?

By the way, how bout you actually learn/research the different plants and with time formulate your own understanding of what botanicals you find most valuable... You must realize ethnobotanicals or drugs for that matter - affect every1 differently, and it's only researching/experimenting with different things till you find what botanicals are best suited for you.
To put it simply - there is no such thing as the "Best" botanicals .. instead it's all a matter of opinion which is why it's best to experiment yourself so you have a first hand account of how whatever it is affects you.

.peace.

maybe he thought we would think hes asking about shit like spice gold?

stupid noob, i enjoy your posts only because i know theres a 50% chance its going to be shooting holes in Ave. I have nothing against Ave, aside from saying shit like "i'm not about to use lighter fluid". Naptha and NaOH are so easy to get. I just wanted to let you know i enjoy your contributions.

No problem. And keep in mind, I don't target any individuals in particular. In reality I don't even really pay attention to who is saying what when I read a thread, unless I find that post interesting in some way or another.

I come in, I see bullshit, and I bust that shit, regardless of who posts it. That's what I do. If anyone feels targeted, sorry, you aren't, you just post a lot of stupid shit.

No, it would require vinegar and water.

I thought water was neutral and not basic?

I thought water was neutral and not basic?
I have no idea what the fuck Pooter is talking about.

stupid noob, i enjoy your posts only because i know theres a 50% chance its going to be shooting holes in Ave. I have nothing against Ave, aside from saying shit like "i'm not about to use lighter fluid". Naptha and NaOH are so easy to get. I just wanted to let you know i enjoy your contributions.

look, its not.....

evaporate some of the Ronsonol and see if there is a residue....I also rather not distill highly flammable, volatile solvents without a fume hood and a form of precise temperature control.

....and im not saying Omg! im uzing battery acid and road flarez to make drugz!

I much rather be safe then sorry.

Stupid Noob seems fine with the idea of swallowing "light" amounts of torch fluid......

That's why you use pure VM&P naphtha, no residue, or one of the other OTC solvents I mentioned. And about swallowing my fuel, it rarely happens, and yeah, it's part of the whole thing. Just like being burned. I can't even count as high as the amount of times I've been burned.

But it's totally worth it.

As for using chemicals to purify, I am OCD anal retentive all the way baby. Nothing but the best.

Distilling is not as hard as it sounds as long as proper precautions are taken, and temp control can be stable with care.


I'm just saying it isn't as hard as you make it out to be.

yes but i'm willing to take a calculated risk in plifting.......liquids are a bit more difficult though....

in my case i can just buy some lab grade...and i much rather do so then not....

"For what?"

Controversy? How does this topic cause controversy?

By the way, how bout you actually learn/research the different plants and with time formulate your own understanding of what botanicals you find most valuable... You must realize ethnobotanicals or drugs for that matter - affect every1 differently, and it's only researching/experimenting with different things till you find what botanicals are best suited for you.
To put it simply - there is no such thing as the "Best" botanicals .. instead it's all a matter of opinion which is why it's best to experiment yourself so you have a first hand account of how whatever it is affects you.

.peace.

Btw i have researched different plants and have purchased and used them. I was simply asking for OPINIONS on what everyone liked the best. I go to school and work so its not like i have a shitload of free time to research every god dam plant. So if you dont have an opinion on the subject, then kindly shut the fuck up.

He doesn't give a shit about any of that. It's just one more loser fucking moron coming to totse asking the easiest and best ways to get high. That's all these little fucks care about is getting high. Which is why I despise a large number of people here.

Well from what i understood this forum was about drugs, and last time i checked the point of drugs where.......to get high? And i dont think your being forced to stay in Bltc, maybe you should find someplace with really cool super awesome leetzoor drug wizards where you'll fit in better. You guys can have discussions about how much more you know about drugs then everyone else and how your so much cooler then all those "little fucks" at totse. Honestly, YOUR the problem at totse. Sure there are plenty of stupid little kids asking dumb questions, but there are also plenty of people asking serious questions, who may not know as much about drugs as you. And you and few select others feel the need to swing ur huge e-penis in everyones face and tell them how stupid and inexperienced they are.

\ maybe you should find someplace with really cool super awesome leetzoor drug wizards where you'll fit in better. Y\

I thought that was pretty funny.

Motherfucker if it weren't for people like me, nothing would get answered. If everyone is a bunch of retarded fucks like yourself, then who will you go to for answers?

That's right. No one. So kindly STFU. And telling BB to STFU is just plain stupid of you. If anyone can answer this question, BB would be the one to answer it best, so I suggest you be nice to the man if you want some fucking help faggot.

Whooooooa look out for that huge black e-penis guys. Theres plenty of things i could say about you right now, but i do have a life outside of drug research and e-battles. And BB as you like to call him didnt really answer much of anything for me, ill tell whoever i want to Shut the fuck up. Hey stupid noob...............Shut the fuck up, haha you got pwned u angsty little drug wizard. Oh yea and thanks to everyone who actually did post useful responses.

Henbane
Mandragora
Belladonna
Brugmansia
Datura

Ranked in order as listed. Henbane is my personal favorite. These all will get you fUx0reD nicely

Whooooooa look out for that huge black e-penis guys. Theres plenty of things i could say about you right now, but i do have a life outside of drug research and e-battles. And BB as you like to call him didnt really answer much of anything for me, ill tell whoever i want to Shut the fuck up. Hey stupid noob...............Shut the fuck up, haha you got pwned u angsty little drug wizard. Oh yea and thanks to everyone who actually did post useful responses.

ah the classic response to a firm ass raping. "At least i have a life besides (insert what ever the person sucks at)"

GTFO.

ah the classic response to a firm ass raping. "At least i have a life besides (insert what ever the person sucks at)"

GTFO.
Yes indeed. Seems Dank Nugget is a little butt hurt.

Btw i have researched different plants and have purchased and used them. I was simply asking for OPINIONS on what everyone liked the best. I go to school and work so its not like i have a shitload of free time to research every god dam plant. So if you dont have an opinion on the subject, then kindly shut the fuck up.

Are you stupid? I mean really, chill the fuxk out, okay.

Secondly, I’ve already posted my opinion, did you not read any of my words? I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful in my earlier post by any means, instead I was simply expressing how there is no way to determine the “best” botanicals since it is open to interpretation and is basically an opinionated topic. -Being that we all have a different body chemistry, substances will affect every individual uniquely. So basically what one may find to be a great/effective substance, to you/another may be bunk or nauseating.

So... all I was saying is that by researching/experimenting yourself, is the only true way to attain botanicals that affect you ideally. That's all bro, that's all I was saying -but instead you want to respond back with some bullshit response and acting all hostile.

And THEN your quoting stupid noob, talking reckless, claiming him to be the cause of the shittyness that this forum dips in and out of... are you kidding me .. It's members like you who can't read and comprehend another's post/response... members like YOU that create bullshit/trollish threads and offer nothing to the community.

.peace.

This. It works best if you mix all of them.


And BB, he's right, how dare you answer his question, and then give him sound advice. Fucking prick. What nerve. You should be banned. This is TOTSE for fucks sake. Actually contributing? No way. GTFO Dank Nuggets totse.

Best ethnobotanicals to me:

San Pedro
Yopo (lazy version of mimosa h. extraction)
Kratom
HBWR
Wormwood thujone extract

honorable mention:
poppy seeds
Kava Kava

What was the thujone like? I've read reports about wormwood hash and thought it was just bullshit.

All right guys lets all just relax ok, im not in the mood for anymore e-brawls. Thanks for the info, for those who responded. And thanks for all those witty insults from the others, you guys really made me feel important ;) Im off to smoke some datura freebase followed by a henbane/kava iv. bye for now nigglets!

;) Im off to smoke some datura freebase




dumbass

This. It works best if you mix all of them.


And BB, he's right, how dare you answer his question, and then give him sound advice. Fucking prick. What nerve. You should be banned. This is TOTSE for fucks sake. Actually contributing? No way. GTFO Dank Nuggets totse.

Quite honestly I don't see you partaking in much contribution..

Mainly from what I've seen, not ALL THE TIME of course, but a vast majority of the time you waste your breath by ripping and insulting people.

I understand that tons of people here are fucking dumb. So what? I think everyone can decipher that without you blatantly pointing it out and making an ass out of yourself more than anyone.

What good does blindly insulting people do? In my experience it doesn't do shit, especially over an internet forum. Does it give you a sense of power? Accomplishment? Superiority?

I don't know man.

Peace.

What was the thujone like? I've read reports about wormwood hash and thought it was just bullshit.

It's kind of stoning, without all the lethargy you get from marijuana. Actually, it's pretty weak. Then again, I didn't smoke that much. But toppy seeds should be #5, now that I think of it.