Do people's viewpoint on political matters concern you when you are either considering a substantial romantic relationship or whether you can be friends with someone or not? Does this mostly affect things such as marriage potential? I take it if you are more educated and keep up on political affairs, and have a very specialized set of views it is far more important than those who don't give a damn. Then again, the more attractive someone's personality is to you then the more likely they are to hold the same political views as you too, right?

Please, let me hear your opinion.

Politics mean nothing to me...At the moment, I think this country should be under a facist ruler who will get rid of the wasters and fucktards so that the people who work hard can be a little more comfortable. I know this is idelogy but fuck it. It's a pipe dream.

I don't care what a girl's political views are...Or her religious views...If she's cool enough for me to talk to then she doesn't talk about politics or continuously mention her religious stuff.

I enjoy converation on politics and I am an occasional activist. As long as she can back up her political ideas with logical argument anything is cool by me.

Politics mean nothing to me...At the moment, I think this country should be under a facist ruler

Wow, you are the stupidest person I have met all day... and I went to Walmart.

DING DING DING!

The idiot award goes to....

some moron named psycho.

Congrats.

Wow, you are the stupidest person I have met all day... and I went to Walmart.

DING DING DING!

The idiot award goes to....

some moron named psycho.

Congrats.

Bear in mind he's not American, and shit is pretty fucked up in merry old England at the moment.

Bear in mind he's not American, and shit is pretty fucked up in merry old England at the moment.

Thank you.

And Toastman, as I quite cleary wrote there at the end of that paragraph, it's an idealistic pipe dream that I know wouldn't work in reality. But given the current government with its stupid fucking spendings, stupid fucking new laws about smoking and health treatment, making it that people from Commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand etc and Ghurkas (Fucking Ghurkas...A regiment who have been fighting fiercely to the death for this country for over 200 years) need a visa to be here yet some sand-monkey/African/refugee-deserter motherfucker can come in, get his family over and live off of my hard earned fucking tax money kinda pisses me off and drives my imagination to ideas that would usually seem complete bullshit to me.

I know that what I wrote in my previous post is contradictory but it was a trail of thought...Usually politics mean nothing to me...But then I got thinking about how fucking stupid things are over here and my mind went running. Kinda like what I just wrote before!

I take it if you are more educated and keep up on political affairs, and have a very specialized set of views it is far more important than those who don't give a damn.

Yeah it means something.......but completely opposite to what the OP described above. Myself, I find partisan politics to be a strong indicator of someone's LACK of intelligence and sophistication. Yeah I care about the world issues, but believing that the problems in it can all be solved by just ONE line of political thinking is foolhardy at best. Here in the states the Republicans and Democrats are so fucking similar, there really is no "difference" between the two.....and I find it quite comical that people get so heated in their discussions vs. each other.

Men and women that strictly are attached to one specific political idealogy aren't thinking outside the box and are quite narrow minded. MANY of them don't even know why they believe what they believe.....they just tune in to whatever political pundit or columnist to tell them HOW to think. Step up for your glass of Kool-Aid.

No, I would never get seriously involved with someone so lacking in original thought, or that naive. In my younger years I was attached to stupid women, and it gets quite annoying after a while. Sure I would fuck a chest thumping partisan political drone, or maybe even keep her around for a while as a play thing. But to commit myself to someone so myopic, unthinking and naive? NO FUCKIN WAY.......

"Do you want the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right?"

Honestly, I think it's important for me with someone who is NOT strongly invested in any ideology or politics one way or the other. I hate politics, it's just another kind of war.

That doesn't mean I don't want someone who can't or won't think about important issues.

As long as she's not fanatically Christian, it matter little to me what her religious or political views are.

Sometimes it's even preferable for her to have opposing views to mine, as a bit of harmless debate is always interesting:).

DaGuru and genericwittyusername, I wasn't necessarily thinking about party-slogan yelling automatons, although that is certainly a good area of discussion. I was thinking more along the lines of dating political extremists. Would it matter if you were dating someone with extreme political views if they came to them through thorough and very well constructed analysis? Basically, would it matter to you at all what someone's political views are if they are a very intelligent and well educated person on the matters pertaining to their political views?(philosophy, economics, history, etc.)

This line of thought really came to me because I realized that the more well educated and intelligent the people I meet are, the more likely they are to have political views that fall well out the mainstream discussion and thought. I also realized it would be difficult to date a woman who had views completely opposite of mine on how society should be run.

I'm really trying to go far behind the simplistic and juvenile realm of "Democrat vs. Republican", which as genericwittyusername said, is ridiculously superficial.

Zealots from any religion are out for me.

But I don't mind people who have beliefs. Much like a political belief, if they can have a logical debate about it without getting annoyed, then I don't care if they worship God, or Keith Chegwin.

Politics.. I don't take a close interest in politics, so as long as they aren't trying to make me an activist or anything, I don't mind.

The moment a girl starts spewing the same rehashed shit about how horrible bush is, or how we're destroying the planet with global warming, she gets demoted from girlfriend to fuck buddy with no notice given.

Ya, I think it is. We don't have to have the exact same views but we have to at least be on the same page. I could see myself frequently getting into fights over stuff like this in a relationship. In fact, I have.

Thank you.

And Toastman, as I quite cleary wrote there at the end of that paragraph, it's an idealistic pipe dream that I know wouldn't work in reality. But given the current government with its stupid fucking spendings, stupid fucking new laws about smoking and health treatment, making it that people from Commonwealth countries such as Australia, New Zealand etc and Ghurkas (Fucking Ghurkas...A regiment who have been fighting fiercely to the death for this country for over 200 years) need a visa to be here yet some sand-monkey/African/refugee-deserter motherfucker can come in, get his family over and live off of my hard earned fucking tax money kinda pisses me off and drives my imagination to ideas that would usually seem complete bullshit to me.

I know that what I wrote in my previous post is contradictory but it was a trail of thought...Usually politics mean nothing to me...But then I got thinking about how fucking stupid things are over here and my mind went running. Kinda like what I just wrote before!

Preaching to the choir man.

Jesus titty-fucking christ it sucks in england right now.

The idiots put the smoking age up. Fuckers.

As for the NHS...

And the immigration!

The cost of living in london is horrific as well. Wtf is wrong with the world these days .

The cost of living in london is horrific as well. Wtf is wrong with the world these days .

New Labour mate...New Labour.

Now that you've changed the verbiage a bit, and not focusing so much on "politics" instead rather on "world issues"......I would say it's not that big of a deal. As long as both people respect each other's differing views and not mock them.....then sure it could work. Truthfully, its just bantering about empty rhetoric anyhow. My wife and I have very differing views on many aspects of this world, yet we have a very stable relationship. The reason being is because in the day to day struggle with life, those issues aren't in the forefront actually affecting our lives.....again its just empty rhetoric. Now granted it isn't many big FOUNDATIONAL issues that we disagree with, but there are still a litany of lesser idealistic things we don't see eye to eye.

I'm a left leaning libertarian, if I were to classify myself to any sort of generalized political position, and my girlfriend said she voted for Bush the second time, having voted for him the first time, because this country needs to shut up and trust whatever the President does. Asking her why, she replied because he is the President. Politics clearly plays no role in the relationship I am in.

Interestingly enough, last night wife and I had a discussion about religion (she's Christian and I'm atheist with some Buddhist flavoring).

She doesn't like to discuss religion or politics, and it kinda confuses me.

Hm. Well to be honest here, I would probably have trouble dating someone who felt strongly in an opposing direction (to my own beliefs) about politics. I don't think I would do well knowing that there are topics I discuss frequently and feel strongly about that I can't talk about at all with my partner. That would definitely be an issue. However, if the parter were smart enough and had clearly thought about the issues, I could deal with differences on some matters. And when it comes to friends, it doesn't matter at all. Pretty much all my friends have different views on at least some major issues than I do.

I prefer someone who knows what's going on, and has an opinion about it, but it's not that important.

If they do have an opinion, as a whole, it doesn't bother me one way or another. It's hard to find someone with an opinion as extreme as mine can be.

With other "political" things like abortion and gay marriage (I don't think it should come up in modern politics; moral/ethics debates, yes, but our leaders should spend time on it) it can change my view of the person, make me alter my interaction with them, but not turn me away from them.

For example, the standard person takes a moderate level of precautions to prevent pregnancy while having sex. I have to take a higher level, as my girlfriend is pro life, and I advocate population control (and abortion, consequently). I don't want a child, so if she got pregnant, I would want her to have an abortion, and she would want to keep it.

I wish I were cool and could say something like "politics mean nothing to me, I am a free human being, not controlled by media and the MAN", but I can't. Basically, if you are Republican or conservative, you're not getting into my pants. You're just not.

Well you're in luck because I'm so left on the political spectrum I make Che say "God daaam!"

But seriously I don't think I could handle a right wing ultra conservative chick. She would either kill me, or I would kill myself over the 3rd or 4th "Bush is doing the best he can".

Well you're in luck because I'm so left on the political spectrum I make Che say "God daaam!"

But seriously I don't think I could handle a right wing ultra conservative chick. She would either kill me, or I would kill myself over the 3rd or 4th "Bush is doing the best he can".

Ultra conservative chicks are the freakiest. Like how ultra conservative men are usually found to be closeted gays or heavy drug users, ultra conservative chicks are nymphos. Its all that suppression of natural human instincts they do that drive them to be really extreme in their private lives.

In some ways, you could call my viewpoints extreme, even for a young IRSM activist. However, I have had relationships with loyalists, and apolitical women many a time, without it getting in the way. Trouble can arise from the wrong conversation though, although no more than an athiest and a christian who are friends, when out for a drink together.

Basically, if you are Republican or conservative, you're not getting into my pants. You're just not.

This is possibly the silliest thing I've ever read in S & A.

Anyone naive enough to vehemently align themselves with a mainstream party is probably none too bright anyways though.

This is possibly the silliest thing I've ever read in S & A.

Haha, why? It's completely true.

Haha, why? It's completely true.

more people seem to be "I'd fuck anything" than "I would never fuck (insert group here).

It is my opinion that those with passionately extreme views have personality flaws.

Based on personal experience, those with extremist views are more likely to display OCD behavior and obsess on insignificant details, which would account for their extremist views.

On the other hand, those with moderate views tend to be more easy going people. This is a more desirable character trait in a partner. So, as an independent-leaning Republican, I would have no problem dating a Democrat so long as she wasn't ignorant enough to base every single one of her views on party lines.

It is my opinion that those with passionately extreme views have personality flaws.

I agree with you, in that I like people with moderate views. But seriously, everyone has personality flaws. And personality flaws are really, in essence, what distinguish true personality from blandness.

I'm completely apathetic when it comes to politics. And I think I would prefer my mate to be the same way. It's all a bunch of bullshit. Although I guess I wouldn't mind a political mate as long as they didn't try and talk about it with me.

As for religion, I find it very unattractive. I just don't see how any truly intelligent person could buy into that shit. The only major religion I'm okay with is Buddhism. All the other ones I know of are fucking gay/retarded. But religion is the opiate of the masses, right? So I guess it serves its purpose.

Ugh. Religion and politics, blech.

it's not so much personal politics, as how much politics plays in a girls life. If she has her own personal politics, doesn't really elaborate on them, doesn't fanatically advocate them. I don't care what they are.

I do go out of my way to not date political, enviromental, or animal activists. They care too much about something that I think is a waste of time. I'll date a vegetarian....if she doesn't mind that 75% of my diet consists of red and white meat. But when she questions my morals, and values, and tells me I'm wrong for what I'm doing....she either gets dumped, or I just start using her for sex.

There's nothing wrong with being aligned with a mainstream party. I'm a democrat. I really am. I believe in universal health care, I was against the war in Iraq, I'm pro-choice, I favor more government interference in the economy and less interference in our everyday lives, I'm against torture and in favor of more civil liberties whenever it comes up, I believe in more taxes for the extremely wealthy and am against Bush's tax cuts and in favor of the estate tax, I'm against privatized social security, against school vouchers, and so on and so on. I simply agree with the democrats in general. I believe that gay marriage and flag-burning should be legal, but that's about the only place I differ from the main potential democratic nominees for the next election. So tell me what's wrong with that? Why is that naive and how does that make me "none too bright"?

Religion: Don't care except for two factors. Can't have a religion that puts extreme restrictions on behavior (like how Jehovah's Witnesses can only be friends with other Jehovah's Witnesses, or how orthodox Muslim women can't show their face in public). Must be content to let me believe (or not believe) what I do without trying to convert me.

Politics: I prefer someone who has an interest in what's going on, but doesn't take fanatical positions. I'm more likely to get along with a Democrat or Independent though.

So tell me what's wrong with that? Why is that naive and how does that make me "none too bright"?

Because none of that means you are a Democrat. Anyone can believe in certain political stances and call themselves whatever the hell they want. You are only a Democrat if you are registered as one. It isn't a political philosophy, its the name of a political party. Remember, just 4 decades ago, it was the complete opposite. The Democrats were the racists pandering to the hicks. Well, everyone was racist back then, but the Democrats were actually electing KKK members into local government posts.

It just so happens that liberty and social welfare is the flavor of the month for the Democrats this time around.

There's nothing wrong with being aligned with a mainstream party. I'm a democrat. I really am. I believe in universal health care, I was against the war in Iraq, I'm pro-choice, I favor more government interference in the economy and less interference in our everyday lives, I'm against torture and in favor of more civil liberties whenever it comes up, I believe in more taxes for the extremely wealthy and am against Bush's tax cuts and in favor of the estate tax, I'm against privatized social security, against school vouchers, and so on and so on. I simply agree with the democrats in general. I believe that gay marriage and flag-burning should be legal, but that's about the only place I differ from the main potential democratic nominees for the next election. So tell me what's wrong with that? Why is that naive and how does that make me "none too bright"?

I could write a few dozen pages, at the least, on why you are "none too bright" for believing those things, but I wont turn this into a political thread. Let me just leave it at that you aren't thinking hard enough if you feel that way, that your views are actually represented by an entire mainstream party. Besides, the Democrats and the Republicans aren't even real political parties, they are businesses. Their only goal is to elect people into office, not advance an ideology. People like Zell Miller and John McCain prove that.

I don't follow politics at all, my girlfriend is an avid supporter of her party. She also is in healthcare so she is passionate about epidemics that can be prevented/cured, etc.

We don't have much in common, except for our love for foreign cultures. Politics mean very little, I think all it takes is one strong common interest. The rest can be built on.

Girls don't like it much when I scream "bring back Cromwell!" prior to climax so I tend to keep my political and religious beliefs to myself.

Although thinking about past relationships it seems I'm drawn to girls with a completely different view to me on most things, probably because it makes for more interesting conversations.

Political affiliation doesn't have any bearing on my relationships, at least not from my side of the fence, but I'm not a big fan of the traditional religious zealot but thankfully my way of life blacklists me from most major religions and practitioners anyway. ;)

I could write a few dozen pages, at the least, on why you are "none too bright" for believing those things, but I wont turn this into a political thread. Let me just leave it at that you aren't thinking hard enough if you feel that way, that your views are actually represented by an entire mainstream party. Besides, the Democrats and the Republicans aren't even real political parties, they are businesses. Their only goal is to elect people into office, not advance an ideology. People like Zell Miller and John McCain prove that.

Dude, what are you even talking about? The fact that we believe different things means that I haven't thought enough about my beliefs? You're not even making sense. If you look at the viewpoints of the candidates of both parties, all the people of each party believe the same shit as the other people of that party, but believe the opposite shit from all the people in the opposing party. They're all trying to get elected so that they can change the country in the way they see fit (for whatever reason). That might sound naive, but it's actually true, even if they're bad people trying to change things to benefit them and no one else, they're still people trying to change things how they see fit and get elected so they can do it.

You haven't backed up anything you've said with either solid reasoning or sound evidence. You're just talking out of your ass without saying anything worth saying. You're just repeating the same stuff you said earlier without modifying it in any way to argue against what I've said.

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GlitterPunk112358, do you want to turn this into a political thread or do you want to shut the fuck up?

I like yelling "FUCK BUSH!" in predominately leftist gatherings because the females dont know if I am insulting the son of satan or exclaiming what I would like to do with their vaginas.