Me and my girl have been going out for about a year, all of a sudden, she doesn't want to have sex anymore.
She says it isn't important to her anymore and that she doesn't feel like it. She doesn't even masturbate anymore.
Its been about a month since we've done anything.

Any advice?

Thanks,



jabrieljk

She's on SSRI's or anti...psychotics isn't she?

Damn, that sucks. I honestly have no idea what to tell you.

She's doesn't want you anymore and is trying to hint it to you subtly. Seriously, this has happened to a few friends of mine and from personal experience, especially if you had a very active love life. I think it's some girls trying to find an easy way out, maybe no more sex would make you break up with her, or something of the sort. Women are insane.

So, ^^^you're saying if he breaks up with her it won't be her fault? I see: her hands will be clean, at least in her mind.

Exactly. It's how my ex tried to break up with me, but I figured it out and stayed with her. She then proceeded to tell everyone on their mother that I was a woman beater, as she begun to have bruises on her. lulz ensued as it turned out the bruises on her were from her step dad and she didn't want to tell on him.

Anyways, I'm sure your situation isn't as complicated as mine was :P

Women are insane.

This.

she doesn't want to have sex with the OP anymore.


Fixed

Fixed

Also a good point, she could be cheating on you. Girls are avid cheaters no matter what they say. They're as guilty of cheating as most guys are :P Anyways, she could have her eyes on some other guy and is fucking him now, so she doesn't want you. *shrug*

Have you tried waiting till she falls asleep?

lulz ensued as it turned out the bruises on her were from her step dad and she didn't want to tell on him.
You, sir, are now my in my top 10 poster's list.

Me and my girl have been going out for about a year, all of a sudden, she doesn't want to have sex anymore.
She says it isn't important to her anymore and that she doesn't feel like it. She doesn't even masturbate anymore.
Its been about a month since we've done anything.


Dump her.


Seriously, sex isnt all for her, your fucking relationship isnt all about her. She's being goddamn selfish refusing you sex.
If you're in a relationship, part of that is satisfying your partner and not rejecting them. If she's being such a bitch, why are you bothering with her?
You may as well just stay 'friends' with her and go find yourself a decent girl who isnt an utterly selfish bitch.

^ That.

rape?

breakup

then RAPE with a mask on

then be a shoulder for her to cry on the next day

THEN RAPE AGAIN AHAHA

This!

That!

Tell her that even though it isn't important to her, it is to you. If she can't accept that, then you SHOULD break up with her.

This is exactly what she wants him to do.

We must find a way to humiliate her at the same time! Such as telling your whole school that she has become asexual. This should make lots of guys at your school ignore her.

She's broken (:(), Did you save the receipt?

That!

This!

Fuck yeah. :D

Listen to Totse, she wants to make you break up with her. My advice is: stay with her, and sleep with someone else. Make that bitch pay for it.

Mmhmm, trust me man, it isn't worth it. Dump her ass and go find someone else, there HAS to be someone else you got your eye on :P

Trust me, it's worth it.


Then Rape her, Molotov Everything, Murder/suicide.
You know the drill.

It's not important to her anymore...So you have to suffer? Fuck that mate!

If I found myself in your shoes, I'd put it like this..."It may not be important to you and to be honest it's not that damn important to me. But I enjoy doing it and I want to do it every so often. I am a human being with human urges and if you're not going to fulfil them, I'll find someone who will you selfish bitch!"

Don't get me wrong, I am all for being with someone for who they are and how they make you feel etc but I'm sorry, sex is part of a healthy relationship.
It's not fair for you to have to abstain because she can't be bothered.

I am seriosuly going to say give her the ultimatum: Sex or I walk.

Or if you want to be a bastard, fuck someone on the side but stay with her.

Be a Bastard.

Well if you wanna stay with her and still have sex, it's as easy as six simple words:

Does this rag smell like chloroform?

Instant score.

The question is WHY won't she have sex anymore? Maybe you're not pleasing her, and she dislikes it. Find out why and then maybe we can help you.

I lol'd at all the comments... gotta love chloroform ;)

But in all seriousness...

She loved the sex... I know her body in and out. She just says she doesn't want to do it anymore, she doesn't know why.

I'm fucking perplexed at her explanation-because I CAN maker her cum-over and over again ;p

She just started this shit up about a month and a half ago.

I know, we all know, that you are a Wonderful Magic Man who's dead ancestors who can only marvel at you from on high. The kind of warrior that, unlike we common men, never has to have his women fake their pleasure.

We common men have to be deluded by reading that 35% of men think that women might fake it, whereas (& how would they know? ) 75% of women actually have to do just that sometimes.

Even if you did have a fragile ego that she had become tired of protecting? Your skill & prowess in the sack have rendered this moot. We normal guys can only envy you & puzzle over her actions.

Have you been taking the garbage out? Keeping the car clean?

shes most likely either cheating or has lost interest in you and is taking the pussy way of breaking up with you. either way sex is not a one way street, if she said she wasnt comfortable with it; fine, thats still bs. but telling you its not important to her and then withholding it is absolute bullshit.

dump her.

Ok seeing as everyone thinks this girl is a bitch for not being attracted to this guy anymore, allow me to use an analogy:

You score a hot girlfriend. She dresses perfect, smells nice, has an amazing body and randomly makes you delicious sandwiches while you post on totse. Unless you were weird, you'd be pretty attracted right? You would be hitting that shit like a man possessed.

Now imagine something changes in her mind.

She starts letting herself go. She becomes verbally abusive and alienates all her friends. She starts putting on a lot of weight, like 30-40lb. She stops wearing nice clothes and starts wearing baggy t shirts and stained sweat pants. She starts going days at a time without washing, and is hooked on.. I don't know... fucking crack cocaine or something. Your friends start to viciously make fun of you for dating her.

You are turned off completely, and even though she still initiates sex, the sight of her rolls makes you feel ill.

Are you a 'selfish asshole' for not wanting to have sex?

I am exaggerating, sure, but the point still stands. You guys are properly demonising this girl, when it's her total right to not want to have sex with someone.

Be a man and just dump her. She doesn't want to date you anymore, and my best guess would be that the only reason she isn't doing the breaking up is because she feels bad about it, or doesn't want to make anything awkward.

Giving her an ultimatum of 'have sex with me or were breaking up' is retarded, doesn't have a hope of working and would just end up making you look like a loser.

hahahaha

Ultimatum = The way to go. Don't be a pussy like this guy is apparently.

I lol'd at all the comments... gotta love chloroform ;)

But in all seriousness...

She loved the sex... I know her body in and out. She just says she doesn't want to do it anymore, she doesn't know why.

I'm fucking perplexed at her explanation-because I CAN maker her cum-over and over again ;p

She just started this shit up about a month and a half ago.

If she doesn't want to do it there is only one explanation....she isn't attracted to you anymore. Have you changed in the last months? If not she's clearly thinking of someone else. But instead of being honest about it, which could allow you to change and for her to regain attraction, she's trying to hint you into breaking up with her. I hate it when chicks hint at stuff, why can't they just fucking be honest?

Ok seeing as everyone thinks this girl is a bitch for not being attracted to this guy anymore, allow me to use an analogy:

You score a hot girlfriend. She dresses perfect, smells nice, has an amazing body and randomly makes you delicious sandwiches while you post on totse. Unless you were weird, you'd be pretty attracted right? You would be hitting that shit like a man possessed.

Now imagine something changes in her mind.

She starts letting herself go. She becomes verbally abusive and alienates all her friends. She starts putting on a lot of weight, like 30-40lb. She stops wearing nice clothes and starts wearing baggy t shirts and stained sweat pants. She starts going days at a time without washing, and is hooked on.. I don't know... fucking crack cocaine or something. Your friends start to viciously make fun of you for dating her.

You are turned off completely, and even though she still initiates sex, the sight of her rolls makes you feel ill.

Are you a 'selfish asshole' for not wanting to have sex?

I am exaggerating, sure, but the point still stands. You guys are properly demonising this girl, when it's her total right to not want to have sex with someone.

Be a man and just dump her. She doesn't want to date you anymore, and my best guess would be that the only reason she isn't doing the breaking up is because she feels bad about it, or doesn't want to make anything awkward.

Giving her an ultimatum of 'have sex with me or were breaking up' is retarded, doesn't have a hope of working and would just end up making you look like a loser.

There is one hole in your analogy. If you felt unattracted to someone and didn't want to have sex, you should break up yourself, not hint that to your partner to make him/her breakup, for the sake of reputation. That's just fucking evil. The sad part about it, is its very common practice, but still fucking evil. We need to help the OP humiliate this bitch, to put an example that we honest men do not stand for this kind of behaivour.

Ultimatum = The way to go. Don't be a pussy like this guy is apparently.

Dude think about it. She has her own reasons for not wanting sex. Giving her an ultimatum is just setting yourself up to fail, and you'll probably be discussed as that weird desperate guy among her group of friends.

"If you won't have sex with me, we're through!"

Whereas if you went about it in a respectful way, she'll feel relieved that you weren't insecure enough to hurt her on the way out, and noone will think any worse of you.

There is one hole in your analogy. If you felt unattracted to someone and didn't want to have sex, you should break up yourself, not hint that to your partner to make him/her breakup, for the sake of reputation. That's just fucking evil. The sad part about it, is its very common practice, but still fucking evil. We need to help the OP humiliate this bitch, to put an example that we honest men do not stand for this kind of behaivour.

Wonderful...

Has it ever occurred to you that there might be a reason she's doing this that doesn't involve her being an evil bitch that just wants to hurt him?

What if they share the same friendship group, and she's afraid that breaking up with him will just make everything awkward, and possibly split the group up into seperate factions?
I have a female friend that stayed in a relationship she detested for four months because the guy was in her friendship group, and after that period of time he moved up north. She didn't even kiss the guy for the last few months.

What if she's convinced breaking up with him will make all his friends hate her?

What if she likes him as a person, and is afraid he'll hate her afterwards, when she still wants to remain friends?

Use your head. Girls aren't logical. 'Humiliating that bitch' is an incredibly insecure and retarded thing to do.

GHB is the solution to your problems :)

This is good practice for when you get about six months into marriage. Enjoy your forced abstinence.

Has it ever occurred to you that there might be a reason she's doing this that doesn't involve her being an evil bitch that just wants to hurt him?

Of course it occurred to us. The only other explanation is that she is an incredibly immature little skank that can't man up and just break up with him. Also, your friend was a whore for staying with a guy she wasn't attracted to. Maybe women wouldn't get such a bad rep if it wasn't for little douchebags like the OP's girlfriend who love to base relationships off of lies. If she's not attracted to him, she should break up with him. It really is that damn simple.

Of course it occurred to us. The only other explanation is that she is an incredibly immature little skank that can't man up and just break up with him. Also, your friend was a whore for staying with a guy she wasn't attracted to. Maybe women wouldn't get such a bad rep if it wasn't for little douchebags like the OP's girlfriend who love to base relationships off of lies. If she's not attracted to him, she should break up with him. It really is that damn simple.

Have you ever stayed with someone purely for the sex? Have you ever cheated on someone?

Don't try to tell me that no guy ever does those.

Have you ever stayed with someone purely for the sex? Have you ever cheated on someone?

This has nothing to do with it, nothing at all. When someone chooses to get into a romantic relationship, it is always with a clean slate. It is incredibly immature and wrong to hold against someone things they did in the past before you were going out with them once you start going out. If you aren't willing to trust someone enough to consider them having a "clean slate" you really shouldn't start going out with them in the first place.

Don't try to tell me that no guy ever does those.

I think you missed my point. First, we aren't discussing all men. Second, and this is vitally important, if a man were doing this sort of thing to a woman, I would be just as vehemently questioning the man's morality and worthiness of respect. Third, it is irrelevant that men may do this as when people have bad experiences with the opposite sex they shouldn't be questioning the morality or decency of the other sex, as the only common denominator to the bad relationships someone may get into are themselves.

This has nothing to do with it, nothing at all. When someone chooses to get into a romantic relationship, it is always with a clean slate. It is incredibly immature and wrong to hold against someone things they did in the past before you were going out with them once you start going out. If you aren't willing to trust someone enough to consider them having a "clean slate" you really shouldn't start going out with them in the first place.



I think you missed my point. First, we aren't discussing all men. Second, and this is vitally important, if a man were doing this sort of thing to a woman, I would be just as vehemently questioning the man's morality and worthiness of respect. Third, it is irrelevant that men may do this as when people have bad experiences with the opposite sex they shouldn't be questioning the morality or decency of the other sex, as the only common denominator to the bad relationships someone may get into are themselves.

I think you put a bit too much effort into this.

All I was saying is you were calling the girl a whore for staying in a relationship with someone they didn't care about. So I asked you if you had ever stayed with someone purely for the sex, or if you had cheated on someone.

Judging by the effort you went to avoiding the question, I'm guessing you have done one or both of these, both of which involve staying in a relationship with someone you don't care about. You immature little skank.

In conclusion, I think you missed my point.

I think you put a bit too much effort into this.

All I was saying is you were calling the girl a whore for staying in a relationship with someone they didn't care about. So I asked you if you had ever stayed with someone purely for the sex, or if you had cheated on someone.

Why are you comparing three irrelevant things? You're obviously on the wrong thought-pattern here. If he's stayed in a relationship purely for the sex its fine, aslong as his partner knows this. Aslong as he's honest. Same goes for cheating, aslong as he's honest about it, and unmarried, there really isn't anything wrong here. We're saying that the OPs girlfriend is a bitch that deserves to be humiliated because she's dishonest. There is obviously something she is hiding, or hinting, to the OP. This isn't moral. It doesn't make her any better because men also lie. If someones lying in a relationship, it should be over. She's lying (or not telling the whole truth) just so she won't have to be called a slut when he breaks up with her. Within female social circles, the word slut is extremely powerful. Many women will do anything to avoid being called a slut. If she breaks up, then goes to find another boyfriend (which she presumably already has) she might be called a slut. Now if he breaks up with her, then she goes and declares a new boyfriend, it won't be that bad.

OP: You can humiliate her (not publicly) by simply stating what we've stated in this thread. Show her that you can look straight through her bullshit. Hell, that might even get her attracted to you again.

Why are you comparing three irrelevant things? You're obviously on the wrong thought-pattern here. If he's stayed in a relationship purely for the sex its fine, aslong as his partner knows this. Aslong as he's honest. Same goes for cheating, aslong as he's honest about it, and unmarried, there really isn't anything wrong here. We're saying that the OPs girlfriend is a bitch that deserves to be humiliated because she's dishonest. There is obviously something she is hiding, or hinting, to the OP. This isn't moral. It doesn't make her any better because men also lie. If someones lying in a relationship, it should be over. She's lying (or not telling the whole truth) just so she won't have to be called a slut when he breaks up with her. Within female social circles, the word slut is extremely powerful. Many women will do anything to avoid being called a slut. If she breaks up, then goes to find another boyfriend (which she presumably already has) she might be called a slut. Now if he breaks up with her, then she goes and declares a new boyfriend, it won't be that bad.

OP: You can humiliate her (not publicly) by simply stating what we've stated in this thread. Show her that you can look straight through her bullshit. Hell, that might even get her attracted to you again.

When did I mention him being honest about it? Your argument seems solely based around that point, and it wasn't even made. They are not three irrelevant things, as I have quite clearly explained, they are very similar.

All the OP needs to do is tell her that it is important to him, and a relationship works both ways. If she says no still, dump her. If she says yes, success. None of this public humiliation bullshit, thats just petty.

Dude think about it. She has her own reasons for not wanting sex. Giving her an ultimatum is just setting yourself up to fail, and you'll probably be discussed as that weird desperate guy among her group of friends.

"If you won't have sex with me, we're through!"

Whereas if you went about it in a respectful way, she'll feel relieved that you weren't insecure enough to hurt her on the way out, and noone will think any worse of you.



Wonderful...

Has it ever occurred to you that there might be a reason she's doing this that doesn't involve her being an evil bitch that just wants to hurt him?

What if they share the same friendship group, and she's afraid that breaking up with him will just make everything awkward, and possibly split the group up into seperate factions?
I have a female friend that stayed in a relationship she detested for four months because the guy was in her friendship group, and after that period of time he moved up north. She didn't even kiss the guy for the last few months.

What if she's convinced breaking up with him will make all his friends hate her?

What if she likes him as a person, and is afraid he'll hate her afterwards, when she still wants to remain friends?

Use your head. Girls aren't logical. 'Humiliating that bitch' is an incredibly insecure and retarded thing to do.

With my own personal experience, and friend's experience, it's not always like this. Most of the time the girl is just being stupid thinking it's the easy way out when all she needs to say is "I don't want to be with you anymore" That's it. If she doesn't want to come out with it, then ultimatum is the way to go, she'll have to break up with him. And if she tells her friends and they laugh at you, it just shows how much of a whore she is. Trust me on this, all she has to do is say "Hey, I think we should be friends now.". If she doesn't, she's an idiot and should be dealt with as such.

Of course it occurred to us. The only other explanation is that she is an incredibly immature little skank that can't man up and just break up with him. Also, your friend was a whore for staying with a guy she wasn't attracted to. Maybe women wouldn't get such a bad rep if it wasn't for little douchebags like the OP's girlfriend who love to base relationships off of lies. If she's not attracted to him, she should break up with him. It really is that damn simple.

Are you really that close minded?

Yes all women are whores. Just as all Americans are stupid, ignorant and obese and all muslims are suicide bombers.

Leave your misogyny and exaggeration out of this, it's pathetic. Women only get a 'bad press' from woman hating losers. Open your eyes dude, people are human. They make mistakes, they get out of their depth.

My friend is not a whore for staying with a guy she wasn't attracted to.

Let me break it down for you:

She started dating this guy, who immediately became clingy and whiny. She no longer liked him, but as he was a part of the five strong close knit group of friends, she was afraid that if she dumped him, he would hate her and break apart her friendship group. Irrational? Maybe. But she was out of her depth and didn't have a clue what to do.
So she stayed in the relationship for four months longer than she would like, to wait untill he moved away.

It's my bet that the OPs girlfriend is in a similar situation. Girls don't stay in relationships they don't like because they want to hurt the guy, as much as you may want to believe it.

Ok seeing as everyone thinks this girl is a bitch for not being attracted to this guy anymore, allow me to use an analogy:

You score a hot girlfriend. She dresses perfect, smells nice, has an amazing body and randomly makes you delicious sandwiches while you post on totse. Unless you were weird, you'd be pretty attracted right? You would be hitting that shit like a man possessed.

Now imagine something changes in her mind.

She starts letting herself go. She becomes verbally abusive and alienates all her friends. She starts putting on a lot of weight, like 30-40lb. She stops wearing nice clothes and starts wearing baggy t shirts and stained sweat pants. She starts going days at a time without washing, and is hooked on.. I don't know... fucking crack cocaine or something. Your friends start to viciously make fun of you for dating her.

You are turned off completely, and even though she still initiates sex, the sight of her rolls makes you feel ill.

Are you a 'selfish asshole' for not wanting to have sex?

I am exaggerating, sure, but the point still stands. You guys are properly demonising this girl, when it's her total right to not want to have sex with someone.




That's a really interesting perspective. Thanks for that.


However, why would anyone be sad enough to stay with someone they found repulsive, and didnt really like that much? That's just.. terrible.



If it's true, and the girl has her reasons, ie she finds threadstarter too unatractive to screw, why the hell is she being such a fucking coward about it all and not just simply ending the relationship?







ThreadStarter, you dont need to 'get her back' or anything, but she does need a severe wakeup call. A relationship isnt all about holding hands and making valentines cards, and if she isnt going to go through with what is one of her duties as a girlfriend then she needs to seriously re-think why she's in the relationship, and if she's actually mature enough to be in one at all, if she cant even be honest with her own boyfriend!

With my own personal experience, and friend's experience, it's not always like this. Most of the time the girl is just being stupid thinking it's the easy way out when all she needs to say is "I don't want to be with you anymore" That's it.

A lot of girls are insecure and just feel bad about it, imagining you'll hate her.

It's like for example, imagine you take your grandma shopping each week, for whatever reason. Except she always wears something completely hideous and it's embarrassing to be seen with her.

All you have to do is say 'you dress terribly, please wear something normal' but it would be difficult because you don't want to hurt her feelings.

Same kind of thing. Sure it's stupid, but its insecurity. It's difficult for them when they care about a guy, and don't want to hurt his feelings/make him hate them/both.

If she doesn't want to come out with it, then ultimatum is the way to go, she'll have to break up with him.

Why force her to break up with him? Why not just grow a pair and do it himself?

And if she tells her friends and they laugh at you, it just shows how much of a whore she is.

If you say "have sex with me or we're breaking up", you will look like a desperate loser.

Desperate losers tend to be looked down on by girls, and talked about behind their backs.

I've sat in a group of girls and listened to them discuss how big a penis this one guy had. Girls gossip like 1000X more than guys, and you would be surprised just what they discuss.

Trust me on this, all she has to do is say "Hey, I think we should be friends now.". If she doesn't, she's an idiot and should be dealt with as such.

There are far more variables at stake than you give credit for.

Also, +1 for not turning your posts into 'girls suck' arguments like the other guy.

EDIT: Just read my posts and am aware of the sweeping generalisations I've been making. Suffice it to say I'm referring to the catagory of girl that the OPs girlfriend falls under.

What if they share the same friendship group, and she's afraid that breaking up with him will just make everything awkward, and possibly split the group up into seperate factions?
I have a female friend that stayed in a relationship she detested for four months because the guy was in her friendship group, and after that period of time he moved up north. She didn't even kiss the guy for the last few months.

What if she's convinced breaking up with him will make all his friends hate her?

What if she likes him as a person, and is afraid he'll hate her afterwards, when she still wants to remain friends?

Use your head. Girls aren't logical. 'Humiliating that bitch' is an incredibly insecure and retarded thing to do.

Without Trying your thinking is so profoundly wrong on so many levels. Who gives a fuck if it will create an "awkwardness" within their circle of friends? It happens all the fucking time during MOST breakups. What, if she just keeps on keepin on.....will it be easier in the future? BULLSHIT! The longer they stay together, the longer the friends interact, the bigger a bond they build within those friendships. Or are you suggesting she stays with the guy crossing her fingers that suddenly all over those friends perish at the same time?

What you are condoning here is GAME PLAYING.....nothing more, nothing less. Boo fuckin hoo that things might be awkward. That is called LIFE. Life is all about uncomfortable and tricky situations. Yet somehow you give this ignorant wench open license to manipulate and lie....all because things might not be cozy. That is so immature its sickening.

Just like your silly friend that stayed with her guy for 4 more months, she is an immature little cunt that is absolutely playing games. Either she is fucking around on him already, or she is abstaining from sex trying to push him to cheat on her giving her a legitimate reason to leave him. That way she can walk away as if she is the "good" person in all of this. If people are so shallow, stupid and immature to stay in relationships they realize are over.....all because that breakup may be somewhat uncomfortable, then they have no business being in a relationship to begin with.

These girls DESERVE hardship and angst because of that immaturity/stupidity.....not coddled with your milquetoast boo-hoos. Avoiding difficult situations does NOT give someone open license to be a lying, manipulative idiot. And for you to condone such idiocy makes me believe you might be just as immature as them, since your heart is bleeding so badly for such game playing.

Without Trying your thinking is so profoundly wrong on so many levels. Who gives a fuck if it will create an "awkwardness" within their circle of friends? It happens all the fucking time during MOST breakups. What, if she just keeps on keepin on.....will it be easier in the future? BULLSHIT! The longer they stay together, the longer the friends interact, the bigger a bond they build within those friendships. Or are you suggesting she stays with the guy crossing her fingers that suddenly all over those friends perish at the same time?

What you are condoning here is GAME PLAYING.....nothing more, nothing less. Boo fuckin hoo that things might be awkward. That is called LIFE. Life is all about uncomfortable and tricky situations. Yet somehow you give this ignorant wench open license to manipulate and lie....all because things might not be cozy. That is so immature its sickening.

Just like your silly friend that stayed with her guy for 4 more months, she is an immature little cunt that is absolutely playing games. Either she is fucking around on him already, or she is abstaining from sex trying to push him to cheat on her giving her a legitimate reason to leave him. That way she can walk away as if she is the "good" person in all of this. If people are so shallow, stupid and immature to stay in relationships they realize are over.....all because that breakup may be somewhat uncomfortable, then they have no business being in a relationship to begin with.

These girls DESERVE hardship and angst because of that immaturity/stupidity.....not coddled with your milquetoast boo-hoos. Avoiding difficult situations does NOT give someone open license to be a lying, manipulative idiot. And for you to condone such idiocy makes me believe you might be just as immature as them, since your heart is bleeding so badly for such game playing.

Wonderful, another douche has jumped into the debate wildly accusing me of all sorts condonations while completely missing my point.

I never said that it was the correct course of action for girls to take. Yes, it's immature. Yes, they should just gather the guts to just dump the guy. I have never said otherwise.

What I was arguing against was the misogynistic witch hunt that was going on. Especially the guy who was going to come up with plans to humiliate this girl simply because she didn't want to have sex anymore.

What the girl is doing isn't the best thing to do, but it's normal and in no way malicious. It stems from insecurity, not spite. I'm asking you guys to keep an open mind, and not just accuse her of being a whore.

Judging by the effort you went to avoiding the question, I'm guessing you have done one or both of these, both of which involve staying in a relationship with someone you don't care about. You immature little skank.

If I ever did do either of those things, I deserved to be called an "immature skank" for doing them, so long as my way of doing these things was dishonest. Basing a relationship purely off of sex is perfectly fine if both partners are 100% clear on the situation. Same with "cheating" not being cheating if both partners are in an open relationship. Acts in relationships in and of themselves usually mean little to nothing if both partners know exactly what is happening and unwaveringly accept it.

Yes all women are whores.

Never once did I say that. However, all people that base relationships off of lies and deception are whores I am afraid.

Leave your misogyny and exaggeration out of this, it's pathetic. Women only get a 'bad press' from woman hating losers. Open your eyes dude, people are human. They make mistakes, they get out of their depth.

Of course they make mistakes, and as with every other serious and hurtful mistake people make they should be ridiculed and sanctioned for their actions. The idea that because people always end up doing cruel things we should in no way look down upon them for it is nihilist bullshit.

She started dating this guy, who immediately became clingy and whiny. She no longer liked him, but as he was a part of the five strong close knit group of friends, she was afraid that if she dumped him, he would hate her and break apart her friendship group. Irrational? Maybe. But she was out of her depth and didn't have a clue what to do.

If she wasn't a whore, she was at least far too immature and naive to be in any relationship, period. This is why you aren't supposed to date people in situations like this. The one thing people always consider when they choose to go out with someone is "How will my life change if I go out with ******?". I'm sure she did this. However, she didn't figure the flipside of this which must also always be considered, which is "How will my life change if I have to break up with ******?". This is why it's inadvisable to date people in professional situations, not because of what the relationship could do, but rather because of what the breakup could do.

Girls don't stay in relationships they don't like because they want to hurt the guy, as much as you may want to believe it.

I never once claimed that they did. My take on this situation is that the girl shouldn't be looked down upon for trying to hurt the OP, because in all reality she probably isn't, but that she should be looked down upon for being dishonest about her real intentions and wants.

but that she should be looked down upon for being dishonest about her real intentions and wants.


THIS!

And Without Trying, I'm neither a misogynist nor am I on a witch hunt. I'm just going by what the OP posted and the scenario presented to me. Should she be "humiliated" because of her actions? I guess that all depends on the degrees of humiliation we are discussing. Should she be raped, killed, beaten up for her game playing? I would say that is over the top and too harsh. However, I would fully endorse and condone exposing her for being the lying, immature, manipulative cunt that she is.....or at the very least acting in all of this. Yes she DESERVES emotional humiliation based on her emotional deception and game playing. Tit for tat.

Wonderful, another douche has jumped into the debate wildly accusing me of all sorts condonations while completely missing my point.

I never said that it was the correct course of action for girls to take. Yes, it's immature. Yes, they should just gather the guts to just dump the guy. I have never said otherwise.

What I was arguing against was the misogynistic witch hunt that was going on. Especially the guy who was going to come up with plans to humiliate this girl simply because she didn't want to have sex anymore.

No, you've got it wrong. I never suggested humiliating her for not wanting sex - I suggested humiliating her for obviously not telling the whole truth or straight out lying.

What the girl is doing isn't the best thing to do, but it's normal and in no way malicious. It stems from insecurity, not spite. I'm asking you guys to keep an open mind, and not just accuse her of being a whore.

Yes, it might very well be normal, but it doesn't make it moral. That's the problem, its way to normal in today's society, and is a problem we could very well do without. Just because everyone else does it doesn't mean you should. The thing is this bitch is selfish, and it is obvious that she's trying to protect her reputation, without even thinking twice of her partner's reputation. It is funny how you're avoiding most of my points from my earlier posts. If you're wondering how she's protecting her reputation by making him breakup with her, read my earlier posts.

You know Byss I thought I recognised you.

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2072298&

I think it's pretty much established how bitter you are about women, so to be honest I have no idea why I'm even replying...

Never once did I say that. However, all people that base relationships off of lies and deception are whores I am afraid.

You implied it. And how is this a relationship 'based on lies and deception'? You're so dramatic.

What you're saying assumes that the girl has been planning this from the start. Which quite obviously isn't the case.

Of course they make mistakes, and as with every other serious and hurtful mistake people make they should be ridiculed and sanctioned for their actions. The idea that because people always end up doing cruel things we should in no way look down upon them for it is nihilist bullshit.

How is it a serious or hurtful mistake? The OP doesn't even know what's going on. Sure it might upset him, but it's nothing as bad as you're saying.

If she wasn't a whore, she was at least far too immature and naive to be in any relationship, period. This is why you aren't supposed to date people in situations like this.

And you come to this conclusion how? Because she's subject to human feelings and emotions, this makes her unfit for a relationship?

The one thing people always consider when they choose to go out with someone is "How will my life change if I go out with ******?". I'm sure she did this. However, she didn't figure the flipside of this which must also always be considered, which is "How will my life change if I have to break up with ******?". This is why it's inadvisable to date people in professional situations, not because of what the relationship could do, but rather because of what the breakup could do.

Because logic is always the overriding force when someone gets into a relationship.

What you're giving me is the logic of the 'armchair dater' who never has any experience, but just goes ahead and gives anyone his opinion anyway. It has no basis in reality.

I never once claimed that they did. My take on this situation is that the girl shouldn't be looked down upon for trying to hurt the OP, because in all reality she probably isn't, but that she should be looked down upon for being dishonest about her real intentions and wants.

I was being facetious, that much should be obvious. I guess you didn't pick up on it.

THIS!

And Without Trying, I'm neither a misogynist nor am I on a witch hunt. I'm just going by what the OP posted and the scenario presented to me. Should she be "humiliated" because of her actions? I guess that all depends on the degrees of humiliation we are discussing. Should she be raped, killed, beaten up for her game playing? I would say that is over the top and too harsh. However, I would fully endorse and condone exposing her for being the lying, immature, manipulative cunt that she is.....or at the very least acting in all of this. Yes she DESERVES emotional humiliation based on her emotional deception and game playing. Tit for tat.

Again you miss my point. You're on a roll tonight DaGuru!

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was explaining my reasons for arguing in the girls favour.

And how in any way does she deserve emotional humiliation? Do you even listen to yourself?

Eugh...

I was being facetious, that much should be obvious. I guess you didn't pick up on it.

Dude nobody picked up on it. So you're saying it's ok for her to be dishonest and lie because its the only normal thing to do? You can't justify lying without trying.

If I ever did do either of those things, I deserved to be called an "immature skank" for doing them, so long as my way of doing these things was dishonest. Basing a relationship purely off of sex is perfectly fine if both partners are 100% clear on the situation. Same with "cheating" not being cheating if both partners are in an open relationship. Acts in relationships in and of themselves usually mean little to nothing if both partners know exactly what is happening and unwaveringly accept it.

My take on this situation is that the girl shouldn't be looked down upon for trying to hurt the OP, because in all reality she probably isn't, but that she should be looked down upon for being dishonest about her real intentions and wants.



I'm agreeing with Byss now? Goddamn.



*runs off to find uncle jackketch*

No, you've got it wrong. I never suggested humiliating her for not wanting sex - I suggested humiliating her for obviously not telling the whole truth or straight out lying.

Perhaps if the lies were malicious, I could understand where you're coming from.

But these 'lies' really aren't that malicious. They stem from immaturity and in no way deserve humiliation. It's pretty sick that you're still so into that point, to be honest.

Yes, it might very well be normal, but it doesn't make it moral. That's the problem, its way to normal in today's society, and is a problem we could very well do without. Just because everyone else does it doesn't mean you should.

Way to change the meaning of my point.

I meant it's normal to be insecure and feel bad about what could happen if you break up with someone.

The thing is this bitch is selfish, and it is obvious that she's trying to protect her reputation, without even thinking twice of her partner's reputation. It is funny how you're avoiding most of my points from my earlier posts. If you're wondering how she's protecting her reputation by making him breakup with her, read my earlier posts.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. If you want me to reply to the points I supposedly missed (and I answered everything I thought was relevant), go ahead and outline them and I'll answer them when I get back to this thread. There are a lot of people argung against me, and I'm going to bed in about 10 minutes.

Again you miss my point. You're on a roll tonight DaGuru!

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was explaining my reasons for arguing in the girls favour.

And how in any way does she deserve emotional humiliation? Do you even listen to yourself?

Eugh...

I totally get your point. You are coming up with every excuse imaginable giving this girl open license to be an immature and deceptive bitch. And tap-dancing/back-peddaling in the process when SEVERAL posters are calling you out for such irrational thinking. What's funny is in all of this text wasted in defending this cunt, you've missed the ONLY legitimate excuse of all. Meds! If she suddenly has changed any drugs she is taking (or now not taking) that COULD be a possible reason for her sudden lack of interest/need in sex. But instead you are calling lying/manipulation as an excusable act. Sorry, but when people play games with me...then THEY are opening the doors for me to return to them the same. For some reason you wanna demonize the OP and make his girl a martyr. BTW......are you a girl yourself by any chance?

There are a lot of people argung against me, and I'm going to bed in about 10 minutes.

You pose a very interesting viewpoint, and I hope that you dont get put off posting in S&A just because people disagree with you. This has been a good discussion.

Dude nobody picked up on it.

Because you represent everyone, Splam.

So you're saying it's ok for her to be dishonest and lie because its the only normal thing to do? You can't justify lying without trying.

See my reply to that perversion of my point in my last post.

I totally get your point. You are coming up with every excuse imaginable giving this girl open license to be an immature and deceptive bitch. And tap-dancing/back-peddaling in the process when SEVERAL posters are calling you out for such irrational thinking.

It was obvious that you missed my point on two seperate occasions.

And I'm not giving her 'every excuse imaginable', I've given her the same one excuse from the start, insecurity and immaturity. And I hardly think it's an excuse.

What's funny is in all of this text wasted in defending this cunt, you've missed the ONLY legitimate excuse of all. Meds! If she suddenly has changed any drugs she is taking (or now not taking) that COULD be a possible reason for her sudden lack of interest/need in sex. But instead you are calling lying/manipulation as an excusable act. Sorry, but when people play games with me...then THEY are opening the doors for me to return to them the same. For some reason you wanna demonize the OP and make his girl a martyr. BTW......are you a girl yourself by any chance?

Ok I can no longer be bothered to split this up.

Use paragraphs, for gods sake. Your posts are painful to read.

No I'm not a girl.

And there's no need to comment on the rest because it's both retarded, and covered by me several times over already.

You pose a very interesting viewpoint, and I hope that you dont get put off posting in S&A just because people disagree with you. This has been a good discussion.

I like this forum :).

I've been in plenty of 'heated discussions' before, and haven't left yet.

And I definitely am going to bed now.

And I'm not giving her 'every excuse imaginable', I've given her the same one excuse from the start, insecurity and immaturity. And I hardly think it's an excuse.

Imaturity and insecurity are a REASON, not an EXCUSE. She's got to learn from her mistakes, you can't appease her. If she plays the OP, the OP should very well play back.

This has been quite a very good discussion. Yoyobek's quite right. :P

Way to suck yoyobek's little dick :P

Way to suck yoyobek's little dick :P

Actually according to http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2084490
She's quite insecure of her little penis.

:P

OKay you can stop insulting my penis now!

Well, you people all seem pretty pissed at each other.

No, YOU seem pretty pissed at each other! Arggggh!!!

No, YOU seem pretty pissed at each other! Arggggh!!!

Lol, I only came to make an annoying comment.

Guess it worked.

No, YOU seem pretty pissed at each other! Arggggh!!!

So's your face!

So's your face!

Your mother.

Wonderful, another douche has jumped into the debate wildly accusing me of all sorts condonations while completely missing my point.


I was being facetious, that much should be obvious. I guess you didn't pick up on it.

Again you miss my point.


Way to change the meaning of my point.




I have no idea what you're trying to say.


See my reply to that perversion of my point in my last post.

It was obvious that you missed my point on two seperate occasions.

And I'm not giving her 'every excuse imaginable', I've given her the same one excuse from the start, insecurity and immaturity. And I hardly think it's an excuse.



Ok I can no longer be bothered to split this up.

Use paragraphs, for gods sake. Your posts are painful to read.

No I'm not a girl.

And there's no need to comment on the rest because it's both retarded, and covered by me several times over already.

I don't care what anyone else says......this guy is an absolute imbecile. I can't remember a time when I've seen another poster supposedly "misunderstood" by so many other posters. Clearly this one ain't the brightest bulb in the patch. I guess it's everyone else's fault that you can't communicate your thoughts with text clearly enough?

Then this moron has the audacity to critique MY communicative skills. I AM USING PARAGRAPHS YOU FUCKWIT! Just because YOUR idea of a paragraph is 1 or 2 sentences hitting *Enter, Enter* for spacing, doesn't mean the rest of the world's does. I'm sorry that a few inches of text combined together without spacing has you so intimidated, but that is indicative to your intellect level....NOT my posting. Sure, at times I'm too verbose and have earned a few TL/DR's but you are the first in all of my years of posting to whine about a simple fuckin paragraph. Might I suggest Hooked-On-Phonics to better your reading skills? My 5 year old is doing great with it, it might do wonders for you.

And then when he either doesn't agree with someone (or more than likely is so feeble minded to not understand their easily understood concepts) he just chalks it up to......"Errrr durrrr, you are retarded and a douche. I ain't talking about it any more".

Your profound stupidity on this entire topic is only surpassed by your amazingly ridiculous attempts at communicating with other people.

You sir, PHAIL MISERABLY!!!

Whine whine whine

Dude all day yesterday and today I have been vomiting, my throat canes to fuck and I have a sensitivity to bright light. My writing skills aren't top notch right now.

Nevertheless I seem to have kicked your ass in argument, considering you can't think of anything else to do than criticise my writing skills.

And I'm sorry but this monstrosity of yours can in no way be considered paragraphed:

I totally get your point. You are coming up with every excuse imaginable giving this girl open license to be an immature and deceptive bitch. And tap-dancing/back-peddaling in the process when SEVERAL posters are calling you out for such irrational thinking. What's funny is in all of this text wasted in defending this cunt, you've missed the ONLY legitimate excuse of all. Meds! If she suddenly has changed any drugs she is taking (or now not taking) that COULD be a possible reason for her sudden lack of interest/need in sex. But instead you are calling lying/manipulation as an excusable act. Sorry, but when people play games with me...then THEY are opening the doors for me to return to them the same. For some reason you wanna demonize the OP and make his girl a martyr. BTW......are you a girl yourself by any chance?

I AM USING PARAGRAPHS YOU FUCKWIT!

I find it quite funny that you're trying to blame this on my level of literacy. Then you tell me you are in fact using paragraphs, assuming noone is going to notice what you wrote before.

Without being drawn into a 'no ur stoopid!' argument, you might want to check what you write for retardedness and hypocrisy.

Also I found this funny.

but that is indicative to your intellect level

PROTIP: 'indicative to your intellect level' doesn't make any sense. Try 'indicative of your level of intellect' or 'indicative of your intellectual level' instead.

And one final point. If you didn't sound so angry, that post of yours may have been taken seriously. As it stands, it looks like you just lost your temper and started ranting, which is no doubt the case.

Dude all day yesterday and today I have been vomiting, my throat canes to fuck and I have a sensitivity to bright light. My writing skills aren't top notch right now.

Nevertheless I seem to have kicked your ass in argument, considering you can't think of anything else to do than criticise my writing skills.

And I'm sorry but this monstrosity of yours can in no way be considered paragraphed:





I find it quite funny that you're trying to blame this on my level of literacy. Then you tell me you are in fact using paragraphs, assuming noone is going to notice what you wrote before.

Without being drawn into a 'no ur stoopid!' argument, you might want to check what you write for retardedness and hypocrisy.

Also I found this funny.



PROTIP: 'indicative to your intellect level' doesn't make any sense. Try 'indicative of your level of intellect' or 'indicative of your intellectual level' instead.

And one final point. If you didn't sound so angry, that post of yours may have been taken seriously. As it stands, it looks like you just lost your temper and started ranting, which is no doubt the case.


No anger jackass......any caps are used for emphasis, not emotion.

par·a·graph /ˈpærəˌgræf, -ˌgrɑf/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-uh-graf, -grahf] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

A basic unit of prose. It is usually composed of several sentences that together develop one central idea. The main sentence in a paragraph is called the topic sentence.

Go argue with Websters and the rest of society that is literate if you are so uncomfortable with the REAL definition of a paragraph. The problem here is the purpose to a paragraph is to separate different thoughts/ideas. The reason you are so butthurt about all of this, is because YOU can only come up with one or two lines of thought.......whereas myself and many others have a lot more to say (read: have a smarter/more thought out/better/worthier idea) than your simplistic drivel.

And you didn't win a damn thing in regard to debating this topic with me. Many others refuted your idiocy just like I did, and you hardly "got over" on anyone. Nope, instead it was a litany of...."that isn't what I said", "you are twisting my point", "I was being faceitous" and other back-peddalling nonsense.

Now go critique my post with a fine toothed comb and pick out any spelling or grammar errors, and walk away mistakenly believing that you are in any way, shape, or form "smarter" than me. Silly twit.......

No anger jackass

I'll let that speak for itself.

......any caps are used for emphasis, not emotion.

You see this is where your problem with my arguments stems. I never mentioned anything about caps, I was in fact talking about the level of desperateness in your post and over emotional writing in general.

You again missed my point, but no doubt you'll start accusing me of 'backpedalling' again in response to try and conceal your own inadequacy.

par·a·graph /ˈpærəˌgræf, -ˌgrɑf/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-uh-graf, -grahf] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

A basic unit of prose. It is usually composed of several sentences that together develop one central idea. The main sentence in a paragraph is called the topic sentence.

Go argue with Websters and the rest of society that is literate if you are so uncomfortable with the REAL definition of a paragraph. The problem here is the purpose to a paragraph is to separate different thoughts/ideas.

The reason you are so butthurt about all of this, is because YOU can only come up with one or two lines of thought.......whereas myself and many others have a lot more to say (read: have a smarter/more thought out/better/worthier idea) than your simplistic drivel.

I'm not sure you're aware of what this definition is saying.

Here, I paragraphed your post for you so you have a better idea of what I'm talking about.

You change to a new line whenever you switch subject. The reason my posts appear like I 'use enter for spacing', is because I generally don't argue for more than a line or two before I switch to refuting a different point. Then I hit enter twice to make it easier to read for everyone, and start on the next point.

You on the other hand argue against the same point for what seems like forever.

And you didn't win a damn thing in regard to debating this topic with me. Many others refuted your idiocy just like I did, and you hardly "got over" on anyone. Nope, instead it was a litany of...."that isn't what I said", "you are twisting my point", "I was being faceitous" and other back-peddalling nonsense.

2 others 'refuted my idiocy', not 'many'. One of which has been proven to be a sexist, so was going to argue against me however solid my standpoint.

Now go critique my post with a fine toothed comb and pick out any spelling or grammar errors, and walk away mistakenly believing that you are in any way, shape, or form "smarter" than me. Silly twit.......

Stop exaggerating. I pointed out one grammar error that happened to make me laugh. Hardly the main part of my post.

Besides, saying that I will be able to fine tooth comb your post indicates insecurity at your own ability to coherently structure your sentences.
As ur so smrt, no doubt you'll be aware of the concepts the big words you use represent. So go ahead and utilise your superior intelligence DaGuru!

...this thread is redundant.

I'm not sure you're aware of what this definition is saying.

Here, I paragraphed your post for you so you have a better idea of what I'm talking about.

You change to a new line whenever you switch subject. The reason my posts appear like I 'use enter for spacing', is because I generally don't argue for more than a line or two before I switch to refuting a different point. Then I hit enter twice to make it easier to read for everyone, and start on the next point.


Ever opened a book, be it a textbook, novel, even a magazine? Honestly man, I don't know how you can't see it, but Guru's post WAS paragraphed, and those weren't even long paragraphs at that. Worst point evar.

Now go critique my post with a fine toothed comb and pick out any spelling or grammar errors, and walk away mistakenly believing that you are in any way, shape, or form "smarter" than me. Silly twit.......

AND.....as predicted....


I'll let that speak for itself.



You see this is where your problem with my arguments stems. I never mentioned anything about caps, I was in fact talking about the level of desperateness in your post and over emotional writing in general.

You again missed my point, but no doubt you'll start accusing me of 'backpedalling' again in response to try and conceal your own inadequacy.



I'm not sure you're aware of what this definition is saying.

Here, I paragraphed your post for you so you have a better idea of what I'm talking about.

You change to a new line whenever you switch subject. The reason my posts appear like I 'use enter for spacing', is because I generally don't argue for more than a line or two before I switch to refuting a different point. Then I hit enter twice to make it easier to read for everyone, and start on the next point.

You on the other hand argue against the same point for what seems like forever.



2 others 'refuted my idiocy', not 'many'. One of which has been proven to be a sexist, so was going to argue against me however solid my standpoint.



Stop exaggerating. I pointed out one grammar error that happened to make me laugh. Hardly the main part of my post.

Besides, saying that I will be able to fine tooth comb your post indicates insecurity at your own ability to coherently structure your sentences.
As ur so smrt, no doubt you'll be aware of the concepts the big words you use represent. So go ahead and utilise your superior intelligence DaGuru!

...this thread is redundant.

Don't worry Without Trying. Some day you very well MAY grow up and actually be involved with real live women and other human relationships and have more/better things to say in regards to S & A topics. Until then I guess you'll just have to focus this much time, effort and text.....all in the feeble attempt at trying to refute someone's posting style, grammar, and verbiage.

Good luck in your quest of someday finding a clue.....

Ever opened a book, be it a textbook, novel, even a magazine? Honestly man, I don't know how you can't see it, but Guru's post WAS paragraphed, and those weren't even long paragraphs at that. Worst point evar.

I am way too tired to think this through right now. I thought I was right, but if I'm wrong it makes little difference. All the points being argued right now are petty and pointless.

And DaGuru, you really need to look at what you've been posting. I don't know whether you've been deliberately misinterpreting me to manipulate what I've been saying, or you really are that stupid, but you are the worst debater ever. At least the other two were intelligent enough to discuss it properly without resorting to insults.

Ever opened a book, be it a textbook, novel, even a magazine? Honestly man, I don't know how you can't see it, but Guru's post WAS paragraphed, and those weren't even long paragraphs at that. Worst point evar.

No they weren't.