I've discovered something as I was hitting on a girl today (10 hours later and I fell in love, not cool). Anyway, what I noticed is that you need constant kino escalation or you will get stuck in the friend zone (ie, beta male syndrome) even if you act like an asshole who's only out to get laid.

For those not familiar with it, kino escalation is slowly raising the level of touching that's going on. Starting with a handshake, then a hug, arm-in-arm, hand holding, stroking her arms/legs, kiss, massage, make out, etc. If you're out with a girl, that is, you're not just picking up a bitch at the bar, you need to keep raising how much you touch her. What this does is create a sense of fate. She's obviously not going to reject you massaging her after you've held hands, etc, etc. This is just more bullshit to perpetuate the "It just happened". Too much talking and not enough physical contact and she'll get doubts.

The girl I was picking up today had a boyfriend (she really did, my friend knows him, etc) but she didn't bring him up until about 6 hours into us hanging out. I knew from the start she had a boyfriend and I was inching my way onto her, which she was actually buying. I could see she was sizing me up and wondering if I'd be a better mate. Long story short, I fucked up for many reasons, but that's because of my own issues.

I maintain 100% that a woman with a boyfriend can be seduced and actually have sex with you, fully knowing she's got a man at home. You just need to run sufficient game, and one of those points is kino escalation. When you see she's comfortable enough with you, literally take it up a notch. Don't turn the conversation into sex or anything, just start playing with her palm, arm, shoulder, neck, and you're on the right track.

I hope that helps, I'm kinda high and I just had an epiphany about this. Learn from my mistake.

I maintain 100% that a woman with a boyfriend can be seduced and actually have sex with you, fully knowing she's got a man at home.

That's because most women are whores.

If a guy did that to me, and I had a boyfriend, I would feel really uncomfortable with him touching me. I'd probably be too much of a pussy to actually say anything, but I think my body language and attitude would be enough to make him stop. But I would have mentioned my boyfriend right away, so I guess I'll never be in that situation.

That's because most women are whores.

If a guy did that to me, and I had a boyfriend, I would feel really uncomfortable with him touching me. I'd probably be too much of a pussy to actually say anything, but I think my body language and attitude would be enough to make him stop. But I would have mentioned my boyfriend right away, so I guess I'll never be in that situation.

But what if someone did that to you and you didnt have a boyfriend?

But what if someone did that to you and you didnt have a boyfriend?

I've had that happen before. One of the guys who did it was fucking creepy, and it just made me hate him. With the other guy, I liked him, and it led to sex. So I guess the OP is right.

That's because most women are whores.

If a guy did that to me, and I had a boyfriend, I would feel really uncomfortable with him touching me. I'd probably be too much of a pussy to actually say anything, but I think my body language and attitude would be enough to make him stop. But I would have mentioned my boyfriend right away, so I guess I'll never be in that situation.

I'm talking about Brad Pitt in this situation. You will not sleep around, but if a man with enough Huzzah to make your pants drop at the flick of a wrist walked in, you'd forget all about your boyfriend.

Now naturally I'm not Brad Pitt, but Brad can make women melt without running any game. I've got pretty advanced game (which deteriorates to something along the lines of "heeeeeeey baby you got nice tits can i rub them with my peeeeeniiiis?" when I'm drunk or high, but sober I can pick up about 50% of all women on average. My day game's not too good yet, but at bars I can easily get women, so the percentage averages out.

Keep in mind I'm a little kid with a cock that's nothing to brag about and I still live at home. I've got a lot of work to do to become good at pickup to the point where I can select women based on qualities like intelligence and charm rather than willingness to fuck me.

I don't know if that made any sense, I'm high. But my point was: You're wrong, probably because you're a woman.

I've had that happen before. One of the guys who did it was fucking creepy, and it just made me hate him. With the other guy, I liked him, and it led to sex. So I guess the OP is right.

More or less, I'd say it leads the woman's (and man's) train of thought to more physical things, if it's not headed there already. At least as far as my random experience goes.

I've had that happen before. One of the guys who did it was fucking creepy, and it just made me hate him. With the other guy, I liked him, and it led to sex. So I guess the OP is right.

Pre-S, the woman thing was a joke :)

Kino escalation is a very very important part of picking up women, but it doesn't work without proper game. Just as game can't work without kino, you can't just shake hands with a woman and 5 minutes later start fondling her hand.

You need to build attraction (playful touching), Comfort (more intimate touching, neck, kissing, etc) and finally seduction (making out and onward).

You need to build attraction (playful touching), Comfort (more intimate touching, neck, kissing, etc) and finally seduction (making out and onward).

Yea, that's pretty much exactly what happened with the guy I lost my virginity to. Fuck.

But as for Brad Pitt? Ewww.

Yea, that's pretty much exactly what happened with the guy I lost my virginity to. Fuck.

But as for Brad Pitt? Ewww.

PWN!

Alright, how about the universal appeal of Johnny Depp?

PWN!

Alright, how about the universal appeal of Johnny Depp?

Or this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW_ZH0rDrI0

eggs, you can't say johnny depp doesn't have appeal. If I was gay or a woman I'd be all over him. Hell, if he walked through the door, I might be tempted to work some game on him. Not to mention the acting skill!!

PWN!

Alright, how about the universal appeal of Johnny Depp?

Another ewww. I can't think of any celebrities that I'm attracted to.

Another ewww. I can't think of any celebrities that I'm attracted to.

David Bisbal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW_ZH0rDrI0

Or this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW_ZH0rDrI0

Nope. Although you all are picking guys with long hair, which I don't like either, so that doesn't help.

How about some jackketch for the win?

I don't think I've seen a recent picture of him. I remember seeing one of him when he was around 18, but I can't remember what he looks like.

I dont understand. If a woman has a boyfriend that she truly loves, how could she ever be even tempted by a guy, no matter how touchy/flattering he is?
I cant grasp that at all.

Don't think love even comes into the equation for them.

The more a woman loves a man, the more the seducer has to be good looking and run great game. Even my mom who's married 20-some odd years can be tempted by a beautiful man with insane game. There's maybe only a handful of people like that in the world, and I can't see any of them settling for my mom, but it's not about my mom, it's about the hardwiring of every single woman out there.

"I have a boyfriend" is a logical response. If you really love him, it's also an emotion, but as long as the seducer can instigate stronger and better emotions in the woman, she will not bring up her boyfriend. You know how women are illogical. They will not see a man, and logically say "he will be a better protector to me and father to my children". No, he has to evoke the emotion of security and protection in order to seduce the woman. She has to really feel safer with this man than she does with her current one. If he can accomplish that, while at the same time building attraction/comfort/seduction, they're going to have sex, regardless of her marital status.

Wrong, but it's nice that you can be so pseudo-scientific about it.

Well thanks for backing that up with anecdotes and/or facts.

I'm speaking from the fact that a couple of my friends have been with married women, and we've all at some point in time hooked up with a chick who's got a boyfriend.

I find it works nearly flawlessly. As long as you do not indicate your interest, you can escalate to the point where you're having sex and she's saying "wow, that just happened, I didn't see it coming at all". I made too much of a move and I got fucked, I was not smart about it because I wanted her too much, probably because she's perfect.

But enough about me, how do you back your statement up.

The more a woman loves a man, the more the seducer has to be good looking and run great game. Even my mom who's married 20-some odd years can be tempted by a beautiful man with insane game. There's maybe only a handful of people like that in the world, and I can't see any of them settling for my mom, but it's not about my mom, it's about the hardwiring of every single woman out there.

"I have a boyfriend" is a logical response. If you really love him, it's also an emotion, but as long as the seducer can instigate stronger and better emotions in the woman, she will not bring up her boyfriend. You know how women are illogical. They will not see a man, and logically say "he will be a better protector to me and father to my children". No, he has to evoke the emotion of security and protection in order to seduce the woman. She has to really feel safer with this man than she does with her current one. If he can accomplish that, while at the same time building attraction/comfort/seduction, they're going to have sex, regardless of her marital status.

Some humans actually have willpower, morals and other human traits.

I'm sure alot of people get tempted to do stuff.. but most people resist. Or realise, if they're resisting cheating that hard, possibly they're with the wrong person?

I've been tempted. There are some seriously pretty nice people out there. But cheating? Low.Cowardly.Pathetic.

Now pathetic I may be, but low and cowardly I try to avoid as much as comfortably possible.

Lol dude, posting community shit on totse doesn't make you the man.....

The people who know obviously know this. And don't say it's a coincidence because NO-ONE else says "kino".

That said it's a very valid point and it deserves constant re-iteration. Touching stops the friend zone, shows ur alpha and not afraid and generally speeds shit up. If you arent touching them your gonna be touching yourself.

Peace

sober I can pick up about 50% of all women on average. My day game's not too good yet, but at bars I can easily get women, so the percentage averages out.

Maybe its just me, but if you're getting all of your pick ups at bars then I would say its more of a reflection on the women there then your "kino and game". Woman don't go to bars to find the man they're going to marry, I would like to think it is safe to say that these woman don't mind getting fucked by some guy thats all handsy with them because that is what they're there for. Thus a big explanation why your "day game doesn't work" Because they are not woman who are out looking to just get fucked, so they reject all your touching and you.

You NEED to not pass of other people's idea's as your own.

However what you write is true, very true.

When you see she's comfortable enough with you, literally take it up a notch. Don't turn the conversation into sex or anything, just start playing with her palm, arm, shoulder, neck, and you're on the right track.

Lets just talk about Touching and feeling in general, its all apart of gaining that more than a friends status. If your not laying as much as a single finger on a female and you just talk to her, what are you? A friend, a acquaintance, nothing more until you make it something more. It also can bring comfort to the situation knowing you can make physical contact and you dont have to be so uptight or nervous around a person. Kino as its called, is like having the answers to a test, if you use it more than likely itll end in a good grade. But using it in your position, on already taken girls, will just fuck them up mentally. Not saying it cant be done, but unless you truly keep on it...pressuring and forcing it upon a girl more than likely she'll say hey im taken already jack back the fuck off.

Back to the feeling/touching...you can see this shit coming from both angles from the guy and girl(see example later). Saying this meaning your in a private or a public sense other than that of a bar or a party..where your actually 1 on 1 with said person. When touching happens, you notice it, whether or not you mentally say to yourself Hey she touched me or not, subconsciously it'll still register.

A girl i was with recently, it was literally a leap from 0% to 100% with the scale of touching/being physical in the matter of a hour, and this was the 1st time i actually hung out with the girl, so its a perfect situation to use. How did i progress that fast along that path, mainly just that when we were getting close, or there was touching involved i made it seem like it was Natural, that it wasn't irregular and that i was comfortable with the actions and I was not bothered with whatever that was happening. Just little things that you do make all the difference. A simple touch or making some type of physical contact will get you past that line quicker than you know what, leading to being more physical.

To get my point across, check this out. Say your at a some type of sporting event, and your tightly packed in sitting in seating. If you have your legs or arms spread out and someone presses up against your leg or arm sitting next to you what are you going to do? Your natural reflex is going to kick in and youll move your leg or arm away from that person allowing them the necessary space, and with that maintaining your comfort space. Now flip that situation and say you next to your choice female and she re-adjusts(whether or not its intentional) and ends up having her arm/leg on yours whilst your sitting..don't move and see if she keeps up against you realizing and feeling that shes making that little contact with you. More than likely she'll let it ride for like 2-3seconds then pull away. Barely making a difference from that of natural reaction. Then watch as it happens again, she'll keep the contact longer, since she recognizes that you didn't flinch away from that contact. If you pull away and move away from the contact, that shows that your not comfortable with it and she probably wont attempt it again. Not budging shows that your alright with it, therefore its ok to be past that line of having space between you to having physical contact.

Its basically a mental agreement going on.It's like if i touch you ,you can touch me, within a appropriate level. Say i give some girl a hug, then later on without notice, she could easily motion for a hug knowing that your the one in the first place that issued that contact, knowing that its appropriate to do so. From that pretty much you have the control to set the bar as high as you want with how physical she can get with you. Now if i didnt make that initial contact, I would probably not see as much as a single split second of touching/contact from her cause shed assume its not something appropriate to do without a occasion calling for it.

No shit. It was a good coherent post though.

That's because most women are whores.

If a guy did that to me, and I had a boyfriend, I would feel really uncomfortable with him touching me. I'd probably be too much of a pussy to actually say anything, but I think my body language and attitude would be enough to make him stop. But I would have mentioned my boyfriend right away, so I guess I'll never be in that situation.

Lol, you've never been hit on properly then. You must realize a small amount of the population are satisfactory with the skills Rykoshet is talking about.

Meaning, if they had their choice of 100% of the population, I doubt they would be hitting on you first. Not to burst your bubble though. Anyways, if a real venusian artist was to approach you I doubt you would know what was going on until 5 minutes after he cums.

I'm talking about Brad Pitt in this situation. You will not sleep around, but if a man with enough Huzzah to make your pants drop at the flick of a wrist walked in, you'd forget all about your boyfriend.

Now naturally I'm not Brad Pitt, but Brad can make women melt without running any game. I've got pretty advanced game (which deteriorates to something along the lines of "heeeeeeey baby you got nice tits can i rub them with my peeeeeniiiis?" when I'm drunk or high, but sober I can pick up about 50% of all women on average. My day game's not too good yet, but at bars I can easily get women, so the percentage averages out.

Keep in mind I'm a little kid with a cock that's nothing to brag about and I still live at home. I've got a lot of work to do to become good at pickup to the point where I can select women based on qualities like intelligence and charm rather than willingness to fuck me.

I don't know if that made any sense, I'm high. But my point was: You're wrong, probably because you're a woman.

Lol, 50%? And your day game isn't good? You need to be drunk and high to talk to women? Advanced game? Lol, you're a chump dude.

I dont understand. If a woman has a boyfriend that she truly loves, how could she ever be even tempted by a guy, no matter how touchy/flattering he is?
I cant grasp that at all.

It's called nature.

Wrong, but it's nice that you can be so pseudo-scientific about it.

Pseudo? Lol, it's already been shown that "Game" has been broken down to follow the attraction phases of animals. Evolution is real, it happened, we are shaved apes. So please, don't make it seem like it isn't wired into women's DNA on how they respond to male interaction.

Which is why the dumber they are, the easier they are to seduce. They are disconnected from their conscious mind. Which is why intelligent women are the best in bed, and why most men can't handle them.

I learned that out the hard way with a girl I really liked.

I'm gonna hope she forgot about me over Christmas, then with the mojo I have got back, pimp her once again.

dosent kino mean theater?

dosent kino mean theater?

Apparently, in Russian "kino" means cinema.

The more you know.. :)

dosent kino mean theater?

Tyatar means theatre in Russian.

Kino is also a Russian band.

The moar you know!

Same here man, I know your situation.

Good luck to the both of us, eh?

I never said I was the man. I discovered something today. Obviously I knew kino was good for a while, but I didn't realize that you needed it to break the friendship barrier. You have to be the one instigating all the kino to let her know that it's ok. Women almost never approach guys, let alone jump on that and start making out.

I agree. If you aren't touching them, you're gonna be touching yourself!

Maybe its just me, but if you're getting all of your pick ups at bars then I would say its more of a reflection on the women there then your "kino and game". Woman don't go to bars to find the man they're going to marry, I would like to think it is safe to say that these woman don't mind getting fucked by some guy thats all handsy with them because that is what they're there for. Thus a big explanation why your "day game doesn't work" Because they are not woman who are out looking to just get fucked, so they reject all your touching and you.

The reason I get my pickups at bars is because I go to bars fairly late at night. It's a lot easier to go to a woman's place at 2am then it is to pick up a woman at 3pm and have sex with her that day. Most of the chicks I pick up during the day I look for relationship material, most of the bar skanks I don't see more than once. As for women rejecting my touching, well, you're assuming I go around groping women. I don't. If I'm picking up a woman, it's mostly with words. It's easier to get a woman to go on a date if she thinks you're just a friend. On the date you escalate and let her know you're not a chump. Don't assume son.

You NEED to not pass of other people's idea's as your own.

However what you write is true, very true.

Anyone who's seen Mystery knows about kino. Hell, anyone who knows anything about human communication knows about kino. And since Mystery is so talked about on this board I figured everyone would know I didn't make up kino.

I did realize by myself though that you absolutely need it to establish you're not a chump. Too much and you come off needy, so watch it though. I never realized that when I read his book, I thought it was just something to do once in a while.

really really ridiculously long post

QFMFT. I agree 100%

I learned that out the hard way with a girl I really liked.

I'm gonna hope she forgot about me over Christmas, then with the mojo I have got back, pimp her once again.

I hate how the less you want a girl, the more she wants you. I watched the movie Hitch and I was like "bullshit, if this guy's great with chicks, he'd be in her pants in minutes" but gaming is so different when you actually have feelings for a person. There's a girl I'm in love with. She's into everything I am into, boxing, oldies rock, drugs, alcohol, sports, etc. She's fucking gorgeous to boot. I don't turn into a little retarded 12 year old talking to her, but it is a hundred times harder to game her. When a girl rejects me I laugh it off, have a drink, and go find someone more willing. This girl is the real deal though, so the pressure is on. I have a lot to loose, and it makes me nervous that I'll fuck up/

dosent kino mean theater?

Kino = Kinesthetics

Tyatar means theatre in Russian.

Kino is also a Russian band.

The moar you know!

It does in my language too: Bosnian.

Same here man, I know your situation.

Good luck to the both of us, eh?

Good luck to you, and most importantly, good luck to me.

Good work Rykoshet, nice post man.

Apparently, in Russian "kino" means cinema.

The more you know.. :)

I think it is in German, too.

No shit. It was a good coherent post though.

Thanks, but you're still on my ignore list.

Lol, you've never been hit on properly then. You must realize a small amount of the population are satisfactory with the skills Rykoshet is talking about.

Meaning, if they had their choice of 100% of the population, I doubt they would be hitting on you first. Not to burst your bubble though. Anyways, if a real venusian artist was to approach you I doubt you would know what was going on until 5 minutes after he cums.

QFT. I don't claim to be anywhere this good, but I think if I invest enough time and energy I can get 1 girl to leave her boyfriend. Worst case I'll just kick his ass.

Lol, 50%? And your day game isn't good? You need to be drunk and high to talk to women? Advanced game? Lol, you're a chump dude.

You misread. I rarely pick up women drunk or high, and when I do, it's someone equally drunk or high, not really a prize. I think 50% is a fair success rate given my age and experience. Keep in mind I'm talking about bedding or at least having the chance to bed 50% of all women I attempt to pick up. If you can do better, kudos, keep it up.

It's called nature.

Yup.

Pseudo? Lol, it's already been shown that "Game" has been broken down to follow the attraction phases of animals. Evolution is real, it happened, we are shaved apes. So please, don't make it seem like it isn't wired into women's DNA on how they respond to male interaction.

Which is why the dumber they are, the easier they are to seduce. They are disconnected from their conscious mind. Which is why intelligent women are the best in bed, and why most men can't handle them.

Exactly!!! We are in an animal kingdom, although slightly removed. We may enjoy civilized things, but when it comes down to it, women are looking for two things:

1) Someone to keep them alive.
2) Someone to keep their offspring alive.

#1 refers to a strong dominant male. It may be someone physically strong, financially strong, politically strong, or just a weakling who can bend their reality and make it appear that he can take care of them.

#2 not only refers to someone's financial status (can he afford kids), and not just his paternal instincts either. It has a lot to do with his genes. Does he look like a survivor. "If I have sex with this man, will his babies be spartans, or perhaps I should have sex with a stronger male". You don't see many women hurrying to marry retards. It's not because they can't communicate with them, it's because they're worried about passing on inferior genes to their kids.

Of course, neither 1 or 2 matter if the artist can bend reality to make himself appear to have both traits down pat.

I think it is in German, too.

I meant in Norwegian but German works too.....

It's kind of a shame that people don't really take an interest in this. Especially with thread after thread of bullshit questions about their girls, or how to get girls, or why they can't get laid. Oh well, let their life suck.

Not every guy is out there to try their game out on women who are already taken. I don't see why you guys are so proud of your advanced game that can pull any dumb bitch into bed. Personally, it's really just not something high on my to-do list. While I know I could pull it off if I chose to, I kind of view it as cheating. I mean, you're appealing to a woman's direct physical desires and more or less overriding her weak logic to get what you want. And if she's a decent human being, she'll either realize this before hand and stop, but if she isn't, she'll realize it after the fact and think you're an ass. Which is, for all intents and purposes, true. But you don't give a flying fuck about that. I guess more people are out there for casual sex than I originally estimated.
Just because you're better at picking up girls with your finely tuned ability to appeal to evolutionary desires doesn't make you a better man. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, go for it.
Oh well, have fun. Maybe I'll get it someday.

As men we are hardwired to sleep with as many women as possible; you make it seem like it's immoral to strive to have the ability to bang whoever, whenever.

Look, if it makes you happy, go for it.
Some of us are better at overcoming our low level hardwired urges than others.
I only have a problem with it if it hurts people, i.e. making your moves on a girl who you know is taken.

Look, if it makes you happy, go for it.
Some of us are better at overcoming our low level hardwired urges than others.
I only have a problem with it if it hurts people, i.e. making your moves on a girl who you know is taken.

Yea thats why i don't do it, get the fucking girl in trouble once the guy finds out then have the dude out looking to beat your ass. Its just not worth it. To get away with that kind of shit around here you have to pull some splinter cell shit. Everyone knows everybody so unless you hanging out in private with the girl its literally like a 1/5 chance you'll get caught if your out and about in public. Only way its physically possible is if you hangout at odd times, ETC whilst kids are in school/work...otherwise get out your ball bat and brass knucks.

alot of girls that have boyfriends and just talk to me and shit while they are with him,whenever they break up they come running to me because i "care" about them. then i hook up with them and then its awkward after that with that girl. Then wait for another one to come along :D

shitty,but it works. Ive also had a few girlfriends from doin this. One girl i was with for 2 years. I did care about her though.

You are entirely missing the point. I am not mistreating women. The exact opposite is what I am doing. Appealing to everything that stimulates them. Women want me to talk to them, women want to be with me. They are comfortable with me, they like me, they don't mind sleeping with me and have no attachments. This isn't something you have to choose to do. I personally like having a choice of who I would like to sleep with, or at the very least a choice in who I date.

It seems to be more or less you trying to call me evil on some level. As if I am some grand manipulator, and in a sense you can say I am. However, communication is the deciding factor in nature and there are more ways to communicate than just speaking. Therefore I am simply exerting my will onto others male and female to get my way. You think it's cheating? Is it cheating for professional athletes to have outsiders train them?

Is it cheating for a boxer to cross train in other sports? No, it isn't. Improving my ability to control my body, my position, my language, my speech. These are skills that are only used to allow women to meet an interesting person. If they didn't want to be with me, and didn't find me interesting they would walk off.

Look, if it makes you happy, go for it.
Some of us are better at overcoming our low level hardwired urges than others.
I only have a problem with it if it hurts people, i.e. making your moves on a girl who you know is taken.

Do you honestly believe this? You are naive then. Point blank if you can't protect your property than it is no longer yours. That is a definite law of life.

Why do you think women REALLY leave men? REALLY cheat on their boyfriends at the drop of a hat? Don't live in a world of fog forever friend.

Yea thats why i don't do it, get the fucking girl in trouble once the guy finds out then have the dude out looking to beat your ass. Its just not worth it. To get away with that kind of shit around here you have to pull some splinter cell shit. Everyone knows everybody so unless you hanging out in private with the girl its literally like a 1/5 chance you'll get caught if your out and about in public. Only way its physically possible is if you hangout at odd times, ETC whilst kids are in school/work...otherwise get out your ball bat and brass knucks.

Lol, are you serious? If the girl cheats, the girl is obviously not with her boyfriend. If she has a boyfriend she is going to want to keep it discrete and is not going to be dry humping you in public.

Other then that, a guy trying to beat you up is easy to deal with. Well, that is if you know how to fight....

;9340208']alot of girls that have boyfriends and just talk to me and shit while they are with him,whenever they break up they come running to me because i "care" about them. then i hook up with them and then its awkward after that with that girl. Then wait for another one to come along :D

shitty,but it works. Ive also had a few girlfriends from doin this. One girl i was with for 2 years. I did care about her though.

You are retarded. Basically what you are doing is ruining perfect relationships that you could keep in contact with. Weird? Why would it be weird? After you sleep with her what were the terms? What did you say you wanted?

I mean come on, you should be able to have any of these girls come out and chill. The point is to have 5 or 6 girls that you are talking to and constantly dating. You invest time, and in the end you have a quality amount of girls to call up and hang out with.

I think though that having more than 3 girls is too much to deal with. That is up to you though depending on how many girls you can pull.

Lol, are you serious? If the girl cheats, the girl is obviously not with her boyfriend. If she has a boyfriend she is going to want to keep it discrete and is not going to be dry humping you in public.

Other then that, a guy trying to beat you up is easy to deal with. Well, that is if you know how to fight....


I dont know what i was thinking, your pretty much right in most situations there. But what about the situations where a girl uses some random guy, whod ud say she is cheating with to get back her old guy? That shit happens as ive seen it many a times, and the guy who was used to get back her old BF is disregarded and tossed out as soon as she gets her old guy back. So whats the honor in that?

What can I say? I'm torn on this one. I read the David Deangelo and other books. I've read plenty of psychology books as well. It's all concrete, proven stuff. At the same time I do hold some degree of respect for women's rationality. The bitches going to bars and clubs are almost all open to the possibility of hooking up. In this case kino, "game", small talk, it's all a way of helping them decide to choose you over a different guy there, since they're planning to hook up regardless. Most of these "techniques" are common sense; dont show them you're weak, dont show them you're all over them, make yourself interesting, dont be shy/nervous, make her laugh, etc. How many of you guys actually use this stuff to lure women in different environments/ situations? At the bank? at work? at school? the girl at starbucks?

Then, after what I've been through, can't imagine finding any fulfillment in hooking up every weekend. I get pussy any time I want, almost every day. I'm part of my gf's family by her own mothers admission. I used some "techniques" when it came to conversation when I met this girl, but I didn't make out with her until a week after we were going out. That doest mean shes prude or that my game is weak, it's just a different situation. You guys by your own admission fail half the time, and the times you succeed then what? "Nice meeting you GTG." Are any of them out to bring you food to work, get you gifts for christmas and your birthday, introduce you to their friends and family with pride. I'm past the point of worrying if I'm making myself look needy by calling. I dont worry if my touching will be rejected or not. I dont delude myself into thinking love lasts forever, but if it does end for me I dont think I'll stoop to looking for random bitches. Where's the accomplishment in that?

For me the accomplishment comes from knowing I can get women. If I could get 100% of the women I try and pick up, I know I can truly be happy anytime I wish, no matter what I want out of life.

Want to get laid a lot? Sure, I can do it, just go out and pick up women.

Want a steady girlfriend? Sure, go out, meet women, and date them.

I fall in love a lot because I'm a stupid little kid, and I'd feel better knowing that every time I fell in love, I could get the chick regardless. And what better way to learn to get women than by practice. Same thing with sex. Not only do I do it because it's a lot of fun and feels good, but there's an element of practice in it every now and then. The more sex you have the better you will be, yet another reason for a woman to stay with you.

I'd say my problem is that I typically only like and want to date the girls that are just out of my reach, and never really wanted anything more than random fun out of girls I pulled at parties/bars, no matter how much game it took, it always seemed way too easy in the end, and that make me uncomfortable.

Though I should have plenty of time to figure that out now, technically. Reminds me: Ryko, get over to my thread and flame me out of this hole here, man.

Nothing to flame you about man, everyone wants what they can't have.

That reminds me, when we chill in London, I'll show you the most unattainable piece of ass in that whole area. She's family of 2 NHLers, 16, and possibly the hottest set of breasts in a hundred mile radius.

Best of all, not only is she underage and thus taboo, she's also unlikely to be down for partying, only adding to her unattainable appeal.

Nothing to flame you about man, everyone wants what they can't have.

That reminds me, when we chill in London, I'll show you the most unattainable piece of ass in that whole area. She's family of 2 NHLers, 16, and possibly the hottest set of breasts in a hundred mile radius.

Best of all, not only is she underage and thus taboo, she's also unlikely to be down for partying, only adding to her unattainable appeal.

The new 'totse, pull me out' thread, more or less taking the turn the other thread made, off topic, and giving it its own long (the first post, at least) thread, I know I shouldn't be thinking how I am but dear god, its a helluva trap.

Haha alright, we'll get to it. Meh on the underage bit, I'd prefer chicks I'm allowed to pick up without ending up in tha slamma, but ogling the Holy Jailbait (just barely) Grail is fine by me.

The new 'totse, pull me out' thread, more or less taking the turn the other thread made, off topic, and giving it its own long (the first post, at least) thread, I know I shouldn't be thinking how I am but dear god, its a helluva trap.

Haha alright, we'll get to it. Meh on the underage bit, I'd prefer chicks I'm allowed to pick up without ending up in tha slamma, but ogling the Holy Jailbait (just barely) Grail is fine by me.

Believe me, this is one chick I'd gladly do the time for.

Believe me, this is one chick I'd gladly do the time for.

15'll get ya 20.

I've seen a few I'd gladly don orange overalls for, though it's gotta be absolute top-notch in every category for that.

15'll get ya 20.

I've seen a few I'd gladly don orange overalls for, though it's gotta be absolute top-notch in every category for that.

She's absolutely gorgeous. Filthy rich. And from what I hear, not too dim either.

Good enough for me.

She's absolutely gorgeous. Filthy rich. And from what I hear, not too dim either.

Good enough for me.

Pix are mandated.

Pix are mandated.
Can't do that, sorry.

I've decided not to kiss and tell from now on. I can talk about women but I don't really want to put up pictures. I say too many stupid things and nobody wants their picture popping up in a thread I make.

Note to cops and such, I didn't ever touch her.

I dont know what i was thinking, your pretty much right in most situations there. But what about the situations where a girl uses some random guy, whod ud say she is cheating with to get back her old guy? That shit happens as ive seen it many a times, and the guy who was used to get back her old BF is disregarded and tossed out as soon as she gets her old guy back. So whats the honor in that?

Are you the guy doing that? Then don't worry about it. Trust me, it is pretty obvious when a girl is using you to flaunt you to her boyfriend. If that happens you call the girl on her bullshit, if she drops you....so what? That is why you are also talking to 4 other girls who are interested.

What can I say? I'm torn on this one. I read the David Deangelo and other books. I've read plenty of psychology books as well. It's all concrete, proven stuff. At the same time I do hold some degree of respect for women's rationality. The bitches going to bars and clubs are almost all open to the possibility of hooking up. In this case kino, "game", small talk, it's all a way of helping them decide to choose you over a different guy there, since they're planning to hook up regardless. Most of these "techniques" are common sense; dont show them you're weak, dont show them you're all over them, make yourself interesting, dont be shy/nervous, make her laugh, etc. How many of you guys actually use this stuff to lure women in different environments/ situations? At the bank? at work? at school? the girl at starbucks?

Then, after what I've been through, can't imagine finding any fulfillment in hooking up every weekend. I get pussy any time I want, almost every day. I'm part of my gf's family by her own mothers admission. I used some "techniques" when it came to conversation when I met this girl, but I didn't make out with her until a week after we were going out. That doest mean shes prude or that my game is weak, it's just a different situation. You guys by your own admission fail half the time, and the times you succeed then what? "Nice meeting you GTG." Are any of them out to bring you food to work, get you gifts for christmas and your birthday, introduce you to their friends and family with pride. I'm past the point of worrying if I'm making myself look needy by calling. I dont worry if my touching will be rejected or not. I dont delude myself into thinking love lasts forever, but if it does end for me I dont think I'll stoop to looking for random bitches. Where's the accomplishment in that?

Uh, the other guy said he fails 50% of the time. You get pussy all the time? That's good for you. I really don't care how much pussy you get.

Yes, girls still give me gifts on my Birthday and Christmas even though I am not their "boyfriend". You have to realize having a tight game means you are actually building a deeper relationship with a girl in a quicker amount of time than you thought possible.

Random bitches? Are you telling me that it is so horrible that I approach an interesting looking girl reading at the local cafe? Huh? That's "stooping" to some level?

Give me a break man, get off your fucking high horse hater. The accomplishment is that I get the opportunity to interact with and speak to more woman than you will know in your life. That is pretty amazing, and if you can't see it on the grand scale that it is on then you should just go be "Dave" for the next 60 years until you die of prostate cancer.

For me the accomplishment comes from knowing I can get women. If I could get 100% of the women I try and pick up, I know I can truly be happy anytime I wish, no matter what I want out of life.

Want to get laid a lot? Sure, I can do it, just go out and pick up women.

Want a steady girlfriend? Sure, go out, meet women, and date them.

I fall in love a lot because I'm a stupid little kid, and I'd feel better knowing that every time I fell in love, I could get the chick regardless. And what better way to learn to get women than by practice. Same thing with sex. Not only do I do it because it's a lot of fun and feels good, but there's an element of practice in it every now and then. The more sex you have the better you will be, yet another reason for a woman to stay with you.

Please don't associate me with this mindset future readers.

I went through a bad patch a while back. It was right after I had read Mystery Method, and Deangelo and all that shit. I thought they were the fucking second coming, seriously.

I guess something went wrong (as it's prone to do) and rather than trying to naturalize aspects of what they were saying into my persona, I tried to develop a whole new persona around women. Didn't go down so well, I guess I over-analysed as again I'm prone to do. I was starting to feel down if working a certain trick didn't get me the reaction I was after.

So eventually I said fuck it, I'll give this shit a break, forget about women and just go to the gym and do other shit that keeps my mind occupied. Coming back into situations where I meet girls, I feel a lot more comfortable just being myself now, and I think that's the crux, more than any sniper neg or take-away. If you feel comfortable with yourself, then you're on easy street.

I think DeAngelo is correct when he say's it's not so much about what you say, but how you say it. I still have a lot of respect for that man.

This is precisely my point. A lot of guys will drop everything and try and pick-up women full time. I don't agree with that perspective although I can see why men would do it.

Inner game is what you really should be working on, and that is known as becoming a "better" person. Self improvement through having hobbies, a job, a life, friends, passions. The Game is just a way for a man to attract women and to build comfort if he so chooses. It basically allowed to remove a lot of anxieties I am sure myself and tons of others experience talking to the opposite sex. That includes females, and basically any human being.

The terms and the techniques are just a foundation to build onto. Everyone has bones and skin and a brain, but not everyone looks, acts, or responds the same way. This is "Game", and personalizing it results in mastery.

Are you the guy doing that? Then don't worry about it. Trust me, it is pretty obvious when a girl is using you to flaunt you to her boyfriend. If that happens you call the girl on her bullshit, if she drops you....so what? That is why you are also talking to 4 other girls who are interested.



Uh, the other guy said he fails 50% of the time. You get pussy all the time? That's good for you. I really don't care how much pussy you get.

Yes, girls still give me gifts on my Birthday and Christmas even though I am not their "boyfriend". You have to realize having a tight game means you are actually building a deeper relationship with a girl in a quicker amount of time than you thought possible.

Random bitches? Are you telling me that it is so horrible that I approach an interesting looking girl reading at the local cafe? Huh? That's "stooping" to some level?

Give me a break man, get off your fucking high horse hater. The accomplishment is that I get the opportunity to interact with and speak to more woman than you will know in your life. That is pretty amazing, and if you can't see it on the grand scale that it is on then you should just go be "Dave" for the next 60 years until you die of prostate cancer.



Please don't associate me with this mindset future readers.

Why get so defensive when I was just speaking in general? We've all seen your pics. You're a bitch-titted fat fuck with a temper problem. You're full of shit and talking about the weather to the girl that rang you up for 5 big macs at mcdonalds doesn't grant you a quick, deep relationship nor does it make you a player.

Why get so defensive when I was just speaking in general? We've all seen your pics. You're a bitch-titted fat fuck with a temper problem. You're full of shit and talking about the weather to the girl that rang you up for 5 big macs at mcdonalds doesn't grant you a quick, deep relationship nor does it make you a player.

Lol, who is getting defensive again? I really don't give a fuck what you say dude you're a chump. Fuck off and have a nice life, because I know I'll be following my own advice, prick.