gods plan and free will

[mogle42]

often i hear about gods plan for humans. often used when people are down on their luck or have alot of bad things happen. and then its followed by you just have to keep believing in him its a part of gods plan. i guess like job.

but i also remember hearing how god gave us free will. so how does that work? isnt that contradicting gods plan and omnipotence?

is this best understood as gods plan referred to anyone that might or does believe in god and then free will for anyone else?

[KikoSanchez]

Just further proof of the religion's human origins and therefore fallible conclusions. Yes, it is a pure contradiction and I've really only heard bs responses to something like "it's part of god's great mystery" "you can't understand god's infinite nature" or some other catch-22 explanation veiled in mysterious wording (so as to better hide the vacuousness of their knowledge).

[BrokeProphet]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God

Your argument is under the deductive reasoning section which uses logic (theists worst enemy) to prove it's conclusions.

It is a GREAT thing to read. Have fun laughing at the theists "arguments".

[ArmsMerchant]

Our free will is a key part of God's plan.

I define God, not as an entity per se, but as the infinite,unmoved and unmovable field of intelligence and information that underlies and sustains all visible reality.

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

Our free will is a key part of God's plan.

I define God, not as an entity per se, but as the infinite,unmoved and unmovable field of intelligence and information that underlies and sustains all visible reality.

Does god's plan have a definite end in sight? Cos if it does, we can't have free will, but if it don't, its not really a plan. Please explain.

[godfather89]

Originally Posted by mogle42

often i hear about gods plan for humans. often used when people are down on their luck or have alot of bad things happen. and then its followed by you just have to keep believing in him its a part of gods plan. i guess like job.

but i also remember hearing how god gave us free will. so how does that work? Isn't that contradicting gods plan and omnipotence?

is this best understood as gods plan referred to anyone that might or does believe in god and then free will for anyone else?

Yahweh has no plan his plan was to make a physical and mental prison for our spirit. He made us ignorant and made us think we have free will, when in fact we don't and until we accept the fact that we are currently enslaved to our carnal desires and our thoughts (worries, insecurities, fears...) than we cant allow for true spiritual work (The Sources Plan) to TRULY take hold.

You like so many (me too from time to time) are stuck in the thinking that God of OT is God of NT, that is a Christian Doctrine mistake, God is unmovable and unchangeable but the Bible says otherwise. Back in the day I remember reading the Bible and read Malachi and there was a phrase which said "God does not change his mind unlike the mind of men..." YET GOD [supposedly] CHANGES HIS MIND from HATING HIS CREATION to wanting TO REDEEM IT! Thats a change... In Gnosticism this is the demiurge a misrepresentation of the true God aka The Father aka The Source.

Again, Im still a Gnostic in training however, I do believe this is part of the gnostic message.

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

Our free will is a key part of God's plan.

I define God, not as an entity per se, but as the infinite,unmoved and unmovable field of intelligence and information that underlies and sustains all visible reality.

Your definition of God beat me... However, read up above for my explanation of Free Will. Ultimately, I believe Gods Will = Our TRUE Will

Originally Posted by willancs

Does god's plan have a definite end in sight? Cos if it does, we can't have free will, but if it don't, its not really a plan. Please explain.

Its all ready been completed, this is just the a continuous after shock of revelations and post-apocalyptic age after the demiurge's world is slowly fallen from his control and we return to our source, our home. People do not see Heaven stretched out in front of them.