I've noticed that a lot of guys on totse cite coarseness, vulgarity, and generally not acting like a lady as things that can make a girl unattractive, but I'm not sure exactly what the stats are on this. If a girl is hot and dresses like a girl, but swears constantly, doesn't shy away from discussions of sex, and is very openly opinionated, does she lose all the points she gained from being hot? Also, how about bisexuality? Guys tend to assume they would be attracted to that, but what about guys who have really been in a conversation with a girl referring to another girl's rack? If she talks like a dude about a chick, is that a turnoff?

Edit: Also, how do you feel about girls using drugs? (especially as compared to how you feel about drugs in general)

It's a turnoff if she's an opinionated bitch, yes.

Personally I find it annoying if anyone hangs around swearing, talking about sex and being opinionated, be them a woman or a man. Why can't people find interesting topics to discuss anymore? I'm not trying to hijack your thread or anything, but doesn't it seem like no one has anything original to say anymore and that people are just way too comfortable sharing intimate details about themselves like on the day you meet? Sometimes I feel like everyone I meet is just the same person over and over again.

That's like asking how attractive is a dude? Not attractive at all. Dykes usually act that way and that's the only reason i hate them.

I've noticed that a lot of guys on totse cite coarseness, vulgarity, and generally not acting like a lady as things that can make a girl unattractive,You can take me out of that population. I like a girl that is confident enough to be herself. If that means swearing and drinking and talking about titties, fantastic.
but I'm not sure exactly what the stats are on this. If a girl is hot and dresses like a girl, but swears constantly, doesn't shy away from discussions of sex, and is very openly opinionated, does she lose all the points she gained from being hot? Also, how about bisexuality? Guys tend to assume they would be attracted to that, but what about guys who have really been in a conversation with a girl referring to another girl's rack? If she talks like a dude about a chick, is that a turnoff?I've talked to a lot of bi-chicks about sex. Never bothered me. I don't know why it would bother anyone unless they were uptight about sex to begin with.

I've noticed that a lot of guys on totse cite coarseness, vulgarity, and generally not acting like a lady as things that can make a girl unattractive, but I'm not sure exactly what the stats are on this. If a girl is hot and dresses like a girl, but swears constantly, doesn't shy away from discussions of sex, and is very openly opinionated, does she lose all the points she gained from being hot? Also, how about bisexuality? Guys tend to assume they would be attracted to that, but what about guys who have really been in a conversation with a girl referring to another girl's rack? If she talks like a dude about a chick, is that a turnoff?


I find this very hot

I only date deaf girls, they can't talk or scream and i don't know how to sign it works great

I think men who are attracted to women, and not men, when faced with a woman displaying traits/actions of a man, would be turned off, because men don't turn them on (unless bisexual).

Makes perfect sense to me, and yeah I find it too. If I wanted to talk to someone that resembles/acts like a man, I'd just find one of my friends or something. Women=women=/= men is about it.

Though if a bi girl is talking about another chick, it depends whether I'm attracted to this bi girl in particular, or it's a friend. If I'm attracted, and interested in a threesome, then ok, cool, doesn't bother me. Same as if she's a friend, since that has no effect on me. If the idea of a threesome for whatever reason doesn't appeal to me, then it's a bit of a turnoff, yeah.

Though I don't see how you expect to get accurate/typical info from here, but go for it.

Women=women=/= menOppressive, static gender roles ftl.

Oppressive, static gender roles ftl.

Well without operations/etc.

As much as that, y'know, was just my personal, straight, opinion of it, and not representative of anyone else's.

If a girl was acting like that I'd be more inclined to start a friendship than a relationship. Although good looks could persuade me.

Also, girls who do drugs can be cool, or they can not. It really depends on the person, but I don't have anything against it.

Just because a person is deaf doesn't mean they can't talk or scream, it means they can't hear. You must mean mute.

Dress like a girl, act like a guy. That's the best combo for a girl, in my opinion.

Except that's basically impossible because girls who care about how they dress inherently have some vanity/materialism/shallowness in their personality, which are feminine traits that cancel out the good masculine traits such as tolerance/sense of humor/wittiness.

If you can do it without seeming like a dirty old man or robinhoody, then there's nothing wrong with it. It can be an entertaining personality trait.

There is no bigger turn off than track marks.

It depends on the woman. You can't say acting like a man is a turnoff. I find women who work on cars, shoot, ride motorcycles, play video games and all other manner of manly activities incredbly attractive. I have a friend who is definately one of the boys, and I find her very attractive.

The kind of woman who acts like a man and isn't attractive is the kind who forgets she is a woman altogether.

I just don't really find it attractive at all if a girl swears like a drunken sailor, and I hope the feel the same about me(or any other guy). I think it's wrong to swear in the presence of a lady. The only reason I swear is when I have a strong opinion on something, and I want to get somebody's attention about it. I have no comment on the girl talking about another girl's rack though, as I've never experienced the scenario.

WTF?
I dont think its "acting like a man". A person just acts the way they are. If a girl talks about sex or other girls that just shows that shes an open person. If she swears, thats just who she is.
I dont understand how this could be a turn off. Its like saying that a guy who isnt afraid to say what he feels is a turn off.
A hot girl who knows shes hot, will have enough confidence to be who she is.
Theres too much importance put into what the society desided a girl and guy should act like.
FUCK SOCIETY

QFT.

it really all comes down to personal preference.

I don't think there's anything wrong with a woman having some 'masculine' personality traits enjoying typically male amusements; people should be able to openly enjoy anything they want and speak however they wish.

It's sitting with your legs wide open, scratching yourself, belching and farting that kills it.

Depends on how hot they are.

Theres nothing wrong with having a masculine personality, but I far prefer a girl who is a little more quiet and reserved.

its up in the air.


a healthy ratio can be very attractive. i.e. the girl who acts like a lady, but still rides a motorcycle, is adventerous etc.

though when it comes down to actual execution; im very attracted to the feminine girls who are a bit of a tomboy. though i'd only really like to date the lady-like girl, they make more logical sense for a relationship.

now fem-nazi's: BIG no. i'm not a chauvenist but, i cannot fuckin stand the bra-burning type-feminist.

and moreover, any girl thats completely abandoned femininity, or is more of a dude than a good number of dudes, is also a definite no in my book.

swearing ultimately doesnt matter...this may sound half-baked. but there is definitely a way to swear attractively and there are ways to talk unattractively. i know some girls that have relative trucker's-mouths and are attractive as hell.

then again, my home town is pittsburgh,pa. and if youve ever heard the accent there, let alone just the way some of those girls speak(accent aside), fuck even a 10 could get lowered to a 4-5 just based on the way they talk...

but thats what duct-tape is for right?

i hang around with a lot of guys, and i fit in well, despite having not worn anything but a dress since july and being generally ridiculously girly. i always feel that "being one of the lads" in spirit(i can enjoy the humour, the drinking etctc but not any of the gross belching, posture or general disgustingness) has ruled me out of them ever being attracted to me. but it's cool, friends>boyfriends

i'm pretty sure that not all guys are going to have the same opinion on girls acting like boys, it's pretty obvious from the replies so far.

Y'know, there was a time when "quiet and reserved" were masculine personality traits (along with terse/laconic/decisive/etc.). I blame teh flaming gh3y drama queens for turning bitchiness into acceptable male behaviour.

I would have to say that me personally, I don't like girls that swear a lot. It's one thing to say "fuck" every now and then, but if she is always swearing it gets old and annoying.

Also, talking about other girls to me is also annoying. That would make me think the girl isn't interested in me, and I would leave her to go talk to someone else.

Drugs, depends what drugs she uses. If she is on coke, meth, ice, crack, opiates, pills. I'm not really cool with it, X, weed is fine and shrooms. Everything else is unappealing.

i hang around with a lot of guys, and i fit in well, despite having not worn anything but a dress since july and being generally ridiculously girly. i always feel that "being one of the lads" in spirit(i can enjoy the humour, the drinking etctc but not any of the gross belching, posture or general disgustingness) has ruled me out of them ever being attracted to me. but it's cool, friends>boyfriends

i'm pretty sure that not all guys are going to have the same opinion on girls acting like boys, it's pretty obvious from the replies so far.

You're naive.

It's pretty much the same thing as when a guy acts too much like a bitch. Always being there for her, listening to her shit, being her shoulder to cry on. It makes a great friend, but it'll never spark any attraction.

I'd love a girl I can go out drinking/partying with, talk about sex/other girls, and all that jazz. But again, it doesn't really spark much attraction. It just makes them a fun friend.

Sure, in both cases...if you hang around for a few years you might start a relationship out of comfort. I'd guess thats the exception though.

A woman wants a man that acts like a man. A man wants a woman that acts like a woman. Those are the basics.

That's what you think.

I guess you could say I act like a dude. I drink like a fish, chain smoke, and swear more than any guy I know. I don't even wear many feminine clothes, it's usually just a t-shirt/hoodie and some tight jeans. I've never had a problem "attracting" guys, and the guys I like aren't the ones who are attracted to insanely feminine girls.

And I'm not bi either. But I do indulge in plenty of drugs which is usually a good thing when it comes to guys.

There are meant to be different gender roles, but I probably find myself getting on better with a girl who I can be relaxed with more than a 'girly girl'

Drugs, depends what drugs she uses. If she is on coke, meth, ice, crack, opiates, pills.Meth and ice?!?!

Meth and ice?!?!

Hahaha, I noticed too.

i'm not gonna go over the whole part, just a key one. relationships and drugs, never works when one uses and the other doesn't, and it turns to shit when you intertwine two addicts more than they need to be, but when you can both use and have fun at a good pace its another enjoyable activity together. a pothead and someone who likes harder drugs probally won't click so well as say two potheads, or two people who are into the same kinds of drugs...

I'd be so fucking happy if my girlfriend is so into weed. But no :(




It depend on guys, really. some guys are controlling, and more dominated, some guys are more neutral and some other are pussies.

I'd be so fucking happy if my girlfriend is so into weed. But no :(

This^

I'm not really down with my girl doing coke or meth, just 'cuz those tend to encourage knd of shitty things in general (lying, cheating in my experience--on my part and the part of my past girlfriends). i dont' like it when girls I'm dating get really really drunk when either I or my friends aren't there to make sure she doesn't do something stupid. That's really all as far as drugs go. If she wants to blow down with me, it's cool... as long as it's not alone with a guy or guys.
I've never really dated anyone who was really tomboyish, though it can definitely be hot. I guess one girl... She had really good fashion sense, wouldn't swear a ton but drank like it was her job... I like girls who are feminine. It's just a personal preferrence.

Meth and ice?!?!

Some people don't go by the same slang, ice/meth. I said both so anyone could recognize what I'm talking about.

Hahaha, I noticed too.

Yeah pat yourself on the back because I said two names for the same drug? No one is going to call me on coke/crack? Losers...

Some people don't go by the same slang, ice/meth. I said both so anyone could recognize what I'm talking about.



Yeah pat yourself on the back because I said two names for the same drug? No one is going to call me on coke/crack? Losers...No one calls you on coke and crack because they are used two different ways and can have very different effects.

I'm living proof that some guys just can't handle girls like that.


Although, I wouldn't say I act like a male as such, I'm still girly, and dress very feminine. I just have opinions, swear, talk about sex and am open to drugs/alcohol - but I know there's always a time and place for these things.

I just have opinions, swear, talk about sex and am open to drugs/alcohol - but I know there's always a time and place for these things.Yes: my bed and nao.

I pretty much only hang out with guys, so I've adopted many of their ways. One of my friends once said about me "She can chill like a dude but she gives good head". I think that's what makes the difference haha.

I saw there was a new reply and I thought it was kate :(

I saw there was a new reply and I thought it was kate :(

I'm sorry I'm not kate :(

I'm sorry I'm not kate :(It's okay, you'll do.

*ravages*

I give terrible head.

I give terrible head.

I really haven't met (or fucked) a lot of girls who give good head. Like, two.

Why would a swearing girl that talks about sex be considered unattractive?

a chick can be like a man in 2 ways

a) the bull-dyke - highly opinionated, smokes a LOT, physicaly hits people that annoy her etc makes them unattractive

b) the tomboy - likes sports/video games, makes obscene jokes, not worried about what they eat makes them easier for guys to approach

I give terrible head.

6 hours and not a single, "heh, you can practice on mah dick" joke?

Congrats on the maturity, &T.

Edit: Also, how do you feel about girls using drugs? (especially as compared to how you feel about drugs in general)

I used to think it was cool, but then I noticed that most girls use sex to get more drugs.

i.e. unless you will provide them free drugs, they don't want to give you a second look.

I give terrible head.

Most girls do.

WRONG! I toke daily, and the wife doesn't touch it. She hardly even drinks. We've been together quite happily for 9 years.

Swearing- Who gives a fuck? Its just words, and I sure as hell ain't going to make any analysis of someone based on the silly verbiage they use.

Talking about other chicks-It CAN be a turn on, but not necessarily. I've had more than one convo with bi/lesbian chicks discussing sexual techniques or checking out other chicks. I've already determined their "hotness/fuckability" long before we had that conversations

Chicks doing drugs- some do, some don't. Sure it can be fun if they do, just another activity to share with them. If not? More for me, so meh!

Meth vs. Ice- ASSHOLES! When someone says "meth" you are referrring to the powdered form you would either ingest or snort or. "Ice" is the crystalized version of meth, more pure and something you smoke. So anyone claiming they are the "same" is just exposing their own silly n00bishness in regard to either.

I'm pretty sure I fall into both catagories. Does that make me like, a bull boy? Or a tom dyke? :(

Meth vs. Ice- ASSHOLES! When someone says "meth" you are referrring to the powdered form you would either ingest or snort or. Meth is meth is meth is meth.
"Ice" is the crystalized version of meth, more pure and something you smoke. So anyone claiming they are the "same" is just exposing their own silly n00bishness in regard to either.Ice is meth is meth is meth. Yes, ice is crystal, but it isn't limited to just smoking.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go smoke some pot and grass. But I'll never touch marijuana, that's too hard for me.

Meth is meth is meth is meth.
Ice is meth is meth is meth. Yes, ice is crystal, but it isn't limited to just smoking.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go smoke some pot and grass. But I'll never touch marijuana, that's too hard for me.


Get the fuck outta here. A couple posters mocked the guy who said...."meth, ice".....as if he was being silly. THERE IS a fuckin difference. Just like coke and crack are different. When I was dealing, I knew plenty of cokeheads that wouldn't touch crack with a ten foot pole.

That's like inviting a co-worker over to grill some steaks on Saturday night and you throw a hamburger in his lap. If he questions the CHANGE to your menu, are you going to respond......"errr derrrrr, its all the same"??????

Tell me Robin, if I called you up and said......."Dude, I just picked up an ounce of Kind Bud" are you going to race over to my house with the same eagerness and anticipation as if I said...."Dude, I just picked up an ounce of Ragweed"??????? Fuck, its ALL THE SAME....right?

Get the fuck outta here. A couple posters mocked the guy who said...."meth, ice".....as if he was being silly. THERE IS a fuckin difference. Just like coke and crack are different. When I was dealing, I knew plenty of cokeheads that wouldn't touch crack with a ten foot pole. Meth and ice are two names for the exact same drug, that can be used in the exact same way.

Coke and crack are two different forms of the same drug, used in different ways, with noticeably different effects. And you proved my point yourself at the end. Cokeheads who wouldn't touch crack. No meth addict is going to say, "Oh, no, I don't do ice", because they know they are the exact same thing, whereas coke and crack are quite different, effects wise.

That's like inviting a co-worker over to grill some steaks on Saturday night and you throw a hamburger in his lap. If he questions the CHANGE to your menu, are you going to respond......"errr derrrrr, its all the same"??????Technically, no, they're not the same. They are different cuts from the same animal, and are in different forms. Coke and crack - different forms. Meth and ice - same damn thing.

Meth and ice are two names for the exact same drug, that can be used in the exact same way.

Coke and crack are two different forms of the same drug, used in different ways, with noticeably different effects. And you proved my point yourself at the end. Cokeheads who wouldn't touch crack. No meth addict is going to say, "Oh, no, I don't do ice", because they know they are the exact same thing, whereas coke and crack are quite different, effects wise.

Technically, no, they're not the same. They are different cuts from the same animal, and are in different forms. Coke and crack - different forms. Meth and ice - same damn thing.

Robin you are wrong. Or either live in a part of the country (or different country altogether) that has different verbiage for drugs.

Ice....is CRYSTALIZED meth. You don't have "ice" until you've freebased the meth. And all the partying I've done on the East coast......everyone there thinks the two are different. You can walk into a room and ask 100 people with a show of hands to respond to ....."Who wants to do some meth with me?"....and you'll get a greater response then if you asked "Who wants to do some ice with me?".

Seriously, if "meth" and "ice" are identical.......then why the fuck would anyone take the time to freebase it and lose some of the quantity???????

So if this IS just a slang difference based on a different part of the country.....what EXACTLY do you call "crystal meth" if not "ice"???

Robin you are wrong. Or either live in a part of the country (or different country altogether) that has different verbiage for drugs.

Ice....is CRYSTALIZED meth. You don't have "ice" until you've freebased the meth. And all the partying I've done on the East coast......everyone there thinks the two are different. You can walk into a room and ask 100 people with a show of hands to respond to ....."Who wants to do some meth with me?"....and you'll get a greater response then if you asked "Who wants to do some ice with me?".

Seriously, if "meth" and "ice" are identical.......then why the fuck would anyone take the time to freebase it and lose some of the quantity???????

So if this IS just a slang difference based on a different part of the country.....what EXACTLY do you call "crystal meth" if not "ice"???You know how I know you are retarded? Because you think ice is freebase meth.

You know how I know ice isn't freebase meth? Because freebase methamphetamine is an oil, not a crystal. If it's a crystal, it is not freebase meth.

Crystallized "ice" methamphetamine is methamphetamine hydrochloride. "Powder" meth is methamphetamine hydrochloride. It doesn't matter if it is a crystal or a "powder", it is still methamphetamine hydrochloride.

If I take "crystal" meth (ice), and crush it up, is it still different than "powder" meth? No, because they are the exact same thing.

You know how I know you are retarded? Because you think ice is freebase meth.

You know how I know ice isn't freebase meth? Because freebase methamphetamine is an oil, not a crystal. If it's a crystal, it is not freebase meth.

Crystallized "ice" methamphetamine is methamphetamine hydrochloride. "Powder" meth is methamphetamine hydrochloride. It doesn't matter if it is a crystal or a "powder", it is still methamphetamine hydrochloride.

If I take "crystal" meth (ice), and crush it up, is it still different than "powder" meth? No, because they are the exact same thing.

Blah, blah, fucking blah......I'm not going to debate the complexities of the composition of what people know as "meth", considering it is NOT made from the same chemicals every time.

Real simple questions for ya then.....

In your part of the country what do you call meth that you snort?

Then tell me what do you call meth that you smoke?

Edit to add: What exactly do you call "freebased" meth???????

Blah, blah, fucking blah......I'm not going to debate the complexities of the composition of what people know as "meth", considering it is NOT made from the same chemicals every time.It doesn't matter what route you take, or what your starting materials are, the final product is, if you've done it correctly, always methamphetamine. That's the entire basis of chemistry.

Real simple questions for ya then.....

In your part of the country what do you call meth that you snort?Meth.

Then tell me what do you call meth that you smoke?Meth.

Why? Because meth is meth is meth. It doesn't matter if it's "ice" or "powder". Both can be snorted, both can be smoked, both can be shot, both can be hotrailed. Why? Because they are, after all, the same goddamn chemical, in the same goddamn form.

Edit to add: What exactly do you call "freebased" meth???????That depends on whether or not you are retarded. If you are talking about actual freebase meth (as in, methamphetamine in it's freebase, non-salt form), it is called, shockingly, freebase methamphetamine. If you are, however, retarded, and think that smoking = freebase, it's still called meth. Because it's not fucking freebased.

It doesn't matter what route you take, or what your starting materials are, the final product is, if you've done it correctly, always methamphetamine. That's the entire basis of chemistry.
Meth.

Meth.

Why? Because meth is meth is meth. It doesn't matter if it's "ice" or "powder". Both can be snorted, both can be smoked, both can be shot, both can be hotrailed. Why? Because they are, after all, the same goddamn chemical, in the same goddamn form.

That depends on whether or not you are retarded. If you are talking about actual freebase meth (as in, methamphetamine in it's freebase, non-salt form), it is called, shockingly, freebase methamphetamine. If you are, however, retarded, and think that smoking = freebase, it's still called meth. Because it's not fucking freebased.

Now I KNOW you are a n00b in regards to all things meth, because after reading this last rant its OBVIOUS that the closest you've ever come to a real pile of meth was what they taught you in a D.A.R.E class or something you've grabbed from a chemistry book.

Where I came from we used to call meth "crank" or "speed" as slang for meth. You make it sound as if very user out there uses the scientific name for recreational drug us.

And seriously.....if some icehead is trying to score his fix, are you here to tell the masses that he calls or stops by his dealers house saying...."Hey man, can I buy some freebased methampetamine?" ??????

Most importantly care to share with everyone some more of your chemical "knowledge"? Above you said that meth is meth is meth, and can be INJECTED just as easily as snorted. How in the HELL does someone inject a non-liquid form of ANY chemical into their bodies???????

GTFO of here with your dimestore BOOK "knowledge" and let the real users discuss the real uses/terms....ok?

Where I came from we used to call meth "crank" or "speed" as slang for meth. You make it sound as if very user out there uses the scientific name for recreational drug us.

And seriously.....if some icehead is trying to score his fix, are you here to tell the masses that he calls or stops by his dealers house saying...."Hey man, can I buy some freebased methampetamine?" ??????Let me do this numerically to better suit your learning disability.

1. I never said that people have to use scientific names. I only used "scientific names" to help you understand that, under all the slang names, it's still the same goddamn thing. It doesn't matter if you call it ice or crank or speed, it's still fucking methamphetamine.

2. No one buys freebase meth, because very few people make it. When people make meth, they tend to go the whole goddamn way.

3. You're the idiot who brought up freebase, and you're the idiot who said that "Ice....is CRYSTALIZED meth" and then said "You don't have 'ice' until you've freebased the meth", which was retarded because, as I already pointed out, IF IT'S FREEBASE, IT IS AN OIL, NOT CRYSTAL. So please, don't try to talk about terminology when you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Most importantly care to share with everyone some more of your chemical "knowledge"? Above you said that meth is meth is meth, and can be INJECTED just as easily as snorted. How in the HELL does someone inject a non-liquid form of ANY chemical into their bodies??????? Please, please, please tell me this is all an elaborate troll. No one can be this goddamn dense. Heroin is a non-liquid. ZOMG! Cocaine is a non-liquid. ZOMG! "Ice" is a non-liquid. ZOMG! Do you seriously not understand the process of prepping for injection?

GTFO of here with your dimestore BOOK "knowledge" and let the real users discuss the real uses/terms....ok?1. Care to go to the front page and take a look at what forum I mod?

2. Care to go to LT or BLTC and tell them that ice and meth are different? Or that ice is freebase meth?

How about you both shut the fuck up and stop arguing about something so stupid? Neither one of you is going to convince the other person that you're right, so just drop it. Please.

How about you both shut the fuck up and stop arguing about something so stupid? Neither one of you is going to convince the other person that you're right, so just drop it. Please.Drugs are not stupid

Drugs are not stupid

No, but arguing about the names of drugs over the internet is.

No, but arguing about the names of drugs over the internet is. YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ME!!!

I'M GOING TO LIVE WITH DAD!

YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ME!!!

I'M GOING TO LIVE WITH DAD!



Fine! Let him work all day to support you, then come home and have to clean up after you and take care of you!

Admit it. You'd rather have these two standing in front of you & dropping their pants.

So's you could weigh & judge, judge & weigh, "Hmmmm... yeeeesssssss... Cock Robbin' hath not robbed this Robin of his sweet cock!"

Let me do this numerically to better suit your learning disability.

1. I never said that people have to use scientific names. I only used "scientific names" to help you understand that, under all the slang names, it's still the same goddamn thing. It doesn't matter if you call it ice or crank or speed, it's still fucking methamphetamine.

2. No one buys freebase meth, because very few people make it. When people make meth, they tend to go the whole goddamn way.

3. You're the idiot who brought up freebase, and you're the idiot who said that "Ice....is CRYSTALIZED meth" and then said "You don't have 'ice' until you've freebased the meth", which was retarded because, as I already pointed out, IF IT'S FREEBASE, IT IS AN OIL, NOT CRYSTAL. So please, don't try to talk about terminology when you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Please, please, please tell me this is all an elaborate troll. No one can be this goddamn dense. Heroin is a non-liquid. ZOMG! Cocaine is a non-liquid. ZOMG! "Ice" is a non-liquid. ZOMG! Do you seriously not understand the process of prepping for injection?

1. Care to go to the front page and take a look at what forum I mod?

2. Care to go to LT or BLTC and tell them that ice and meth are different? Or that ice is freebase meth?

Robin.....you are either an idiot, or again just ranting from BOOKS and not talking about practical usage. Exactly how much shit have you freebased in your time, or at least been present to while someone was doing the freebasing?

Why in the FUCK would another word for "crack" (FREEBASED cocaine) be "rock" if it was in an "oil" form. You hear it all the time within the drug world...."Hey man, lets go score some rocks". Go ahead, freebase some cocaine and after its liquified and then cooled....tell me its still a goddamn "oil".

Now you are claiming that peeps don't buy JUST "crystal meth"? Care to explain why much of law enforcement considers it the latest drug epidemic? Fuck man, you could watch 2 fuckin episodes of Dog: The Bounty Hunter and realize that people are making, selling and yes BUYING crystal meth all of the goddamned time.

You throwing around BLTC or the fact you are a mod means absolutely NOTHING. Grab 100 BLTC posters and drag them in here to tell me I'm wrong....I don't give a fuck. What, that is suddenly going to erase the YEARS AND YEARS of experience I have around such things? And the nomenclature in regard to all of it?

And there are quite a few mods on Totse that are walking proof that you don't have to be an "expert" on anything in order to qualify being a mod. Just kiss the right ass, and hobnob with the right people. Spare me your insolence as if that mod tag gives your opinion or "knowledge" about anything any more weight than the next guy. That whole concept is profoundly laughable at best.

Admit it. You'd rather have these two standing in front of you & dropping their pants.

So's you could weigh & judge, judge & weigh, "Hmmmm... yeeeesssssss... Cock Robbin' hath not robbed this Robin of his sweet cock!"

I've already seen robin's, so that's not neccessary. :D

I've already seen robin's, so that's not neccessary. :D

Yes? And be there some subtle significance to your having the #69 post to mention that in?

Yes? And be there some subtle significance to your having the #69 post to mention that in?

Of course not...

I find that shit hot as Hell really...and prefer those girls.

Drugs part though I draw the line. Cigarettes and alcochol is fine though.

Why in the FUCK would another word for "crack" (FREEBASED cocaine) be "rock" if it was in an "oil" form. You hear it all the time within the drug world...."Hey man, lets go score some rocks". Go ahead, freebase some cocaine and after its liquified and then cooled....tell me its still a goddamn "oil".You, sir, are an idiot. And this was the final nail in that coffin of fail you've built. I did not say that all freebase drugs are an oil. I said that freebase meth is an oil, which it is. Yes, some drugs, in their freebase form, are solid. Meth is not.

Now you are claiming that peeps don't buy JUST "crystal meth"? Care to explain why much of law enforcement considers it the latest drug epidemic? Fuck man, you could watch 2 fuckin episodes of Dog: The Bounty Hunter and realize that people are making, selling and yes BUYING crystal meth all of the goddamned time.I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T BUY METH! I said that people don't buy freebase meth because very few people ever stop at that stage. As you said, people buy crystal meth all the time. The key word being "crystal" not oily fucking freebase.

You throwing around BLTC or the fact you are a mod means absolutely NOTHING. Grab 100 BLTC posters and drag them in here to tell me I'm wrong....I don't give a fuck. What, that is suddenly going to erase the YEARS AND YEARS of experience I have around such things? And the nomenclature in regard to all of it?

And there are quite a few mods on Totse that are walking proof that you don't have to be an "expert" on anything in order to qualify being a mod. Just kiss the right ass, and hobnob with the right people. Spare me your insolence as if that mod tag gives your opinion or "knowledge" about anything any more weight than the next guy. That whole concept is profoundly laughable at best.I'm not saying the fact that I'm a mod means I'm automatically qualified, but it does mean that clearly someone thinks I am. And I didn't get modded by sucking dick. I don't even talk to people off of Totse aside from eggs. But that's not important.

If you don't think that I've proven my knowledge, fine, whatever. Why don't you go ask Meta or SN or Studious or anyone of the other fucking meth users who will verify what I've said? Go post a thread in LT and ask if meth and ice are different. Go ask them if ice is freebased meth.

You, sir, are an idiot. And this was the final nail in that coffin of fail you've built. I did not say that all freebase drugs are an oil. I said that freebase meth is an oil, which it is. Yes, some drugs, in their freebase form, are solid. Meth is not.

I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T BUY METH! I said that people don't buy freebase meth because very few people ever stop at that stage. As you said, people buy crystal meth all the time. The key word being "crystal" not oily fucking freebase.

I'm not saying the fact that I'm a mod means I'm automatically qualified, but it does mean that clearly someone thinks I am. And I didn't get modded by sucking dick. I don't even talk to people off of Totse aside from eggs. But that's not important.

If you don't think that I've proven my knowledge, fine, whatever. Why don't you go ask Meta or SN or Studious or anyone of the other fucking meth users who will verify what I've said? Go post a thread in LT and ask if meth and ice are different. Go ask them if ice is freebased meth.

Ok very easy question for you to answer for those watching this discourse not knowing one way or the other..... you STILL haven't explained the question I posed to you a couple posts ago. If meth is meth is meth (no matter the form) then WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE FREEBASE IT?????? Just for the lulz? Because they are bored????

Oh, and thank YOU for the profound lulz with this last post. Because name-dropping Meta and Stupid Noob as your explanation of the "competency" of some of the mods (or their "smarts") here could be the funniest thing I've read in some time. You just put the cherry, on the icing, on the cake of MY argument. Those 2 malcontents are part of the "walking proof" that I was referring to in my last post discussing assinine moderators. Sure sure.....I'll go ask Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum what they think, that will fix EVERYTHING! ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok very easy question for you to answer for those watching this discourse not knowing one way or the other..... you STILL haven't explained the question I posed to you a couple posts ago. If meth is meth is meth (no matter the form) then WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE FREEBASE IT?????? Just for the lulz? Because they are bored????Oh sweet Joseph's baby momma. Nobody freebases meth. That was my entire point. I didn't avoid your question. I answered it at least twice already. You seem to be mistaking "smoking" for freebasing. Freebasing means to actually strip the meth from whatever it's salt is (most commonly: HCl). No one is doing that. Seriously, in all your professed years of experience, how many times have you seen a tweaker sit down, dissolve their meth in a basic solution, separate, and collect? I'm willing to wager very few times, if ever. When people buy meth, be it "crank" or "ice" or "powder" or whatever name you choose to attribute to it, 99% of the time it is the hydrochloride salt, because that is what the majority of meth made is. Someone smoking their shards is not freebasing. They are simply smoking meth.

And I think that is the goddamn bottleneck we've been in for the past page. You seem to be using freebasing as synonymous with smoking, whereas I'm using the actual meaning of the words.

Oh, and thank YOU for the profound lulz with this last post. Because name-dropping Meta and Stupid Noob as your explanation of the "competency" of some of the mods (or their "smarts") here could be the funniest thing I've read in some time. You just put the cherry, on the icing, on the cake of MY argument. Those 2 malcontents are part of the "walking proof" that I was referring to in my last post discussing assinine moderators. Sure sure.....I'll go ask Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum what they think, that will fix EVERYTHING! ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!I know you don't like Meta, but he does have experience. And I'm not sure of your feelings towards stupid noob, but there is no denying his chemistry knowledge. If you don't want to use them, ask JoePedo. He's a chemistry god, and not a mod, so why don't you ask him if meth and ice are different drugs?

A guy once told me that pot becomes more potent when you soak it in cold water. The water had to be super cold, or it wouldn't work.

He soaked his pot in cold water for almost ten years before people finally made him understand that it was a waste of time.

Are you that guy DaGuru? The guy that is convinced he knows something and has a level of experience that extends to the four corners of the globe?

Regardless, I got a good chuckle out of this and it reminded me of why I used to enjoy posting in BLTC. Well done.

Oh sweet Joseph's baby momma. Nobody freebases meth. That was my entire point. I didn't avoid your question. I answered it at least twice already. You seem to be mistaking "smoking" for freebasing. Freebasing means to actually strip the meth from whatever it's salt is (most commonly: HCl). No one is doing that. Seriously, in all your professed years of experience, how many times have you seen a tweaker sit down, dissolve their meth in a basic solution, separate, and collect? I'm willing to wager very few times, if ever. When people buy meth, be it "crank" or "ice" or "powder" or whatever name you choose to attribute to it, 99% of the time it is the hydrochloride salt, because that is what the majority of meth made is. Someone smoking their shards is not freebasing. They are simply smoking meth.

And I think that is the goddamn bottleneck we've been in for the past page. You seem to be using freebasing as synonymous with smoking, whereas I'm using the actual meaning of the words.

I know you don't like Meta, but he does have experience. And I'm not sure of your feelings towards stupid noob, but there is no denying his chemistry knowledge. If you don't want to use them, ask JoePedo. He's a chemistry god, and not a mod, so why don't you ask him if meth and ice are different drugs?


I'm gonna simplify this as easily as possible...

FreebasING- is the process of removing the impurities of whatever drug to get it as pure as possible.

FreebasED ________ - is the end result of that drug AFTER the process of freebasing has taken place.

In essence what we have been arguing about is the terminology of said drugs BEFORE and AFTER that freebasing process. Your claim is the terminology is the same, I maintain it isn't. And while you have the resources of books and other Totse members feeding you info.....I have my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES to back my knowledge. I don't have to ask anyone on here about anything in regard to this convo or debate.... because I'm fully aware of the things I've done, the people I've associated with, and the shit I've witnessed.

Never heard of that pot story, no.

And I'm not saying my knowledge is applicable all over the earth. I already stated earlier that if you go to different parts of the country, there ARE different terms for things. I'm going only by what I know from partying 20+ years on the East coast. (NYC, Philly, D.C., Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Boston....etc) I originally tried chalking this all up to geographical differences......like if you ask for a Pepsi in NYC its a "soda", whereas in Kentucky its a "pop". It was Robin trying to refute my knowledge with such intensity, as if those 20 years of my life never happened or somehow I'm "wrong" in any of this.

Wow, I really don't want to get into this but robinhoody is right. Sorry. I havn't read this whole bitch fight, but crystal meth, crystal, meth, ice, jib, whatever you want to call it. All the same. Coke and crack are different. Yes, I know you make crack from freebasing coke. Either way, they have nothing to do with meth.

But anyways, yeah, chicks that act like dudes are hot. Like Kiera Knightly in Domino. She swears, chain smokes and al lthat fancy stuff and it makes her even hotter.

I'm gonna simplify this as easily as possible...

FreebasING- is the process of removing the impurities of whatever drug to get it as pure as possible.

FreebasED ________ - is the end result of that drug AFTER the process of freebasing has taken place.And this is why you are wrong.

Freebasing does not mean removing impurities. Freebasing, as I said, simply means to convert a drug into it's base by stripping off the extraneous atoms that made it a salt (ie: the hydrogen and chlorine atoms in the case of HCl salts).

Removing cuts would fall under the category of purifying. Freebasing may be a step in the purification process, depending on the adulterants present, but that does not mean that freebasing is only the removal of adulterants.

As I suspected, this entire disagreement is based on a terminology error.

And this is why you are wrong.

Freebasing does not mean removing impurities. Freebasing, as I said, simply means to convert a drug into it's base by stripping off the extraneous atoms that made it a salt (ie: the hydrogen and chlorine atoms in the case of HCl salts).

Removing cuts would fall under the category of purifying. Freebasing may be a step in the purification process, depending on the adulterants present, but that does not mean that freebasing is only the removal of adulterants.

As I suspected, this entire disagreement is based on a terminology error.

Jesus fuckin christ......are you basing this rant on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE? Or shit you've read/heard about?

And riddle me this Batman......once you are done freebasing, is the quantity of said drug the same, less, or more???????

Jesus fuckin christ......are you basing this rant on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE? Or shit you've read/heard about?1. It's not a rant, it's science! ;)
2. Both.

And riddle me this Batman......once you are done freebasing, is the quantity of said drug the same, less, or more???????In total weight, or weight of the actual drug? In total weight, it will always be less, because you are removing the salt. Those little HCl's add up. But, the total amount of the drug would still be the same (in a perfect reaction), since you are merely removing the salt ions, not any of the actual drug.

If you start with one mole of freebase methamphetamine (total weight: 149g) and salt it, you end up with (in a perfect reaction) 1 mole of methamphetamine plus the hydrochloride (total weight: 185g). If you base the meth HCl, you should (again, in a perfect reaction), end up with the same one mole of free base meth (149g).

All you are stripping off is the HCl. The total amount of meth remains unchanged.

But that's all assuming perfect reactions, pure reagents/solvents/etc. which, of course, never happens. So yes, you would lose some by basing.

I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove, though...

1. It's not a rant, it's science! ;)
2. Both.

In total weight, or weight of the actual drug? In total weight, it will always be less, because you are removing the salt. Those little HCl's add up. But, the total amount of the drug would still be the same (in a perfect reaction), since you are merely removing the salt ions, not any of the actual drug.

If you start with one mole of freebase methamphetamine (total weight: 149g) and salt it, you end up with (in a perfect reaction) 1 mole of methamphetamine plus the hydrochloride (total weight: 185g). If you base the meth HCl, you should (again, in a perfect reaction), end up with the same one mole of free base meth (149g).

All you are stripping off is the HCl. The total amount of meth remains unchanged.

But that's all assuming perfect reactions, pure reagents/solvents/etc. which, of course, never happens. So yes, you would lose some by basing.

I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove, though...

Through all of that scientific mumbo jumbo you said "less", which is what I was looking for. When you say practical application, are you discussing REAL freebasing of recreational drugs or some lab prof doing a simulation? ALL forms of meth or coke are cut with something. And you will ALWAYS come up with a lesser amount of drug AFTER the freebasing process. Myself, I always relied on what the customer booting the drugs told me in regards to "purity" levels.....because in my mind THEY were the experts. If they came to me and got a gram, and were left with 1/2 gram (AFTER freebasing) they weren't too happy.....the shit was cut too much. They were looking for more of a 80-90% return AFTER the freebase process.

Now come back to me with a response of "booting" isn't an actual term that means "injecting", and then I'll be completely done with this thread.

Get the fuck outta here. A couple posters mocked the guy who said...."meth, ice".....as if he was being silly. THERE IS a fuckin difference. Just like coke and crack are different. When I was dealing, I knew plenty of cokeheads that wouldn't touch crack with a ten foot pole.

That's like inviting a co-worker over to grill some steaks on Saturday night and you throw a hamburger in his lap. If he questions the CHANGE to your menu, are you going to respond......"errr derrrrr, its all the same"??????

Tell me Robin, if I called you up and said......."Dude, I just picked up an ounce of Kind Bud" are you going to race over to my house with the same eagerness and anticipation as if I said...."Dude, I just picked up an ounce of Ragweed"??????? Fuck, its ALL THE SAME....right?

Aren't you in your forties? I think you'd made an awesome Dad.

I give terrible head.

Why the hell would you say that? Weird....

And this is why you are wrong.

Freebasing does not mean removing impurities. Freebasing, as I said, simply means to convert a drug into it's base by stripping off the extraneous atoms that made it a salt (ie: the hydrogen and chlorine atoms in the case of HCl salts).

Removing cuts would fall under the category of purifying. Freebasing may be a step in the purification process, depending on the adulterants present, but that does not mean that freebasing is only the removal of adulterants.

As I suspected, this entire disagreement is based on a terminology error.

Bravo young chap! He's going to be a smart one! He is! Yes he is....

Through all of that scientific mumbo jumbo you said "less", which is what I was looking for. When you say practical application, are you discussing REAL freebasing of recreational drugs or some lab prof doing a simulation? ALL forms of meth or coke are cut with something. And you will ALWAYS come up with a lesser amount of drug AFTER the freebasing process. Myself, I always relied on what the customer booting the drugs told me in regards to "purity" levels.....because in my mind THEY were the experts. If they came to me and got a gram, and were left with 1/2 gram (AFTER freebasing) they weren't too happy.....the shit was cut too much. They were looking for more of a 80-90% return AFTER the freebase process.

Now come back to me with a response of "booting" isn't an actual term that means "injecting", and then I'll be completely done with this thread.

He already said you would have less. You aren't saying anything, you are rambling trying to weave some bit of "street" knowledge in as if it is credible in the name of Chemistry. Go to your local community college and take General Chemistry. You might learn a little bit of these terms being thrown around, and won't be so burdened the next time you try and win an argument dealing with chemical based drugs like Meth.

If a girl acts like one of your mates, she's a mate you can fuck. That's pretty attractive.

Nothing better then a friend with benifits.

Through all of that scientific mumbo jumbo you said "less", which is what I was looking for. When you say practical application, are you discussing REAL freebasing of recreational drugs or some lab prof doing a simulation? ALL forms of meth or coke are cut with something. And you will ALWAYS come up with a lesser amount of drug AFTER the freebasing process. Myself, I always relied on what the customer booting the drugs told me in regards to "purity" levels.....because in my mind THEY were the experts. If they came to me and got a gram, and were left with 1/2 gram (AFTER freebasing) they weren't too happy.....the shit was cut too much. They were looking for more of a 80-90% return AFTER the freebase process.

Now come back to me with a response of "booting" isn't an actual term that means "injecting", and then I'll be completely done with this thread.

God damn you're a fucking idiot! I used to respect you before this thread, but now I just can't. You're being fucking retarded about this. You're completely and wholly wrong. The basis of your argument is that "ice" is freebased meth, which it is not. I too thought it was until I fact-checked robin's argument. Try erowid. Try anywhere. He's right. Unlike with cocaine, the stuff that is smoked is not the freebase form of the drug. With cocaine, you snort the hcl and smoke the freebase form, but meth does not work the same way. You snort the same stuff you smoke: methamphetamine hcl. Get that through your fucking head

Ell oh ell at the meth debate. I'm not gona start arguing on this one (although Robbinhoody is actually right, technically) but "Ice (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=24057)" can be slang for 4-MAR which is popular in parts of Asia and Aus, and perhaps the US, I dunno. It's kinda similar to meth in some ways, but also..... not.

As for the chicks who are confident enough to act how they want... even if it means getting bitched about for "totally wanting to be all male lololol cock-envy" by idiots.... I find quite often they're a turn on. Chicks who are confident enough to express themselves politically, spiritualy, in regards to drugs/sex and whatever else.... s'all cool with me, I guess it "can" be a bit intimidating with some women, but not unnecessarily in a bad way, usually. There are however extremes of course, such as the chicks who hang out with guys lots and are just fake, talking about how much crack they smoke and how much they get laid, as a way of boasting and trying to boost their ego/"rep" rather than just because they're being genuine people. I went back home with a girl recently, and she was all shy and "let's take things slow". I still like her, even though not much happened, but I do admit that if she was slightly crazy-wild and had taken the lead (which is great with girls...) I would have been pretty blown away... no pun intended ;)

Yep, so ladies who are accused of "acting male", be true to yourselves and don't bow down to really quite pathetic guys who can't deal with it, they're just gobbin' off to hide their own insecurities, mostly.

Oh, I know a couple o' bi/lesbian girls who I find much easier to talk to than some vain/prissy straight "i'm such a princess" girlies I know. They're much more real and interesting, generally, although quite often they're kinda feminine too.... twisting up a rollie to a chick flick, drinking some beer and gazing fondly at some romancey literature :D

edit: fixed linky.

Aren't you in your forties? I think you'd made an awesome Dad.

37 and TY : )

I just hope my little dude grows up and thinks so......

He already said you would have less. You aren't saying anything, you are rambling trying to weave some bit of "street" knowledge in as if it is credible in the name of Chemistry. Go to your local community college and take General Chemistry. You might learn a little bit of these terms being thrown around, and won't be so burdened the next time you try and win an argument dealing with chemical based drugs like Meth.

If she is on coke, meth, ice, crack, opiates, pills.

Carbon, you are losing it dude. Here you are trying to flame me, when it was YOU that made the original reference of "meth,ice" and the other people started mocking you about "not being a difference". I didn't even realize it was you that said it at first, and then 1/2way through the argument with Robin I reread the posts before mine and I thought......"geez, I'm in this epic debate that all started because a couple people were mocking the Queen Troll?" And now you are trying to play it off as if I was "wrong"? You've just trolled yourself and you don't even realize it....you stupid fuck.

Carbon, you are losing it dude. Here you are trying to flame me, when it was YOU that made the original reference of "meth,ice" and the other people started mocking you about "not being a difference". I didn't even realize it was you that said it at first, and then 1/2way through the argument with Robin I reread the posts before mine and I thought......"geez, I'm in this epic debate that all started because a couple people were mocking the Queen Troll?" And now you are trying to play it off as if I was "wrong"? You've just trolled yourself and you don't even realize it....you stupid fuck.

Haha, this totally negates your massive fail of an argument with robinhoody. :D

LOL that old fag got fuckin pwned.

i wish i could find a chick i liked who did drugs.

Carbon, you are losing it dude. Here you are trying to flame me, when it was YOU that made the original reference of "meth,ice" and the other people started mocking you about "not being a difference". I didn't even realize it was you that said it at first, and then 1/2way through the argument with Robin I reread the posts before mine and I thought......"geez, I'm in this epic debate that all started because a couple people were mocking the Queen Troll?" And now you are trying to play it off as if I was "wrong"? You've just trolled yourself and you don't even realize it....you stupid fuck.

What you fail to realize is I already addressed the issue. Yeah, someone pointed out, "Lookey meth and ice are the same der...".

It would be the same as saying you sniff...shit, turds, ass, cow patties, and women's underpants. Who cares, I identified the same drug with two different names. Isn't the first or last time it's going to happen faggot.

You're still wrong about the argument on freebasing ice. Just admit it, you aren't gaining anything by trying to prove something you know is wrong. Swallow your pride now.

Haha, this totally negates your massive fail of an argument with robinhoody. :D

Not really....whore.

you know all this stupid bullshit could have been avoided by a simple / . btw robinhoodys right.

Fuck yeah, although I don't sleep with all my guy mates, but I have mutual agreements with some, and it works sweet as long as both parties are clear on whats what. I guess thats where I'm act more of a male (stereotypically), that I can handle random sex without getting emotionally hung up on the guy.

Only some girls can handle that kinda relationship though.

But anyways, yeah, chicks that act like dudes are hot. Like Kiera Knightly in Domino. She swears, chain smokes and al lthat fancy stuff and it makes her even hotter.

Apart from her, that was a terrible movie.

Swallow your pride now.


Lol.

Nothing better then a friend with benifits.

Oh yeah? We're friends aren't we


Fuck guys, I love girls who will smoke / drugs / swear / talk about sex. How could you NOT find that attractive? I love when girls do this kind of shit. If I can turn to her and go "man, that chick's fucking sexy" you know what I want her to do? Go hell yeah she is. Doing things I love with someone hot you can fuck? I don't think you can fuck that one up.

To this whole meth debate. Ice is crystal meth, which isn't freebased meth. Crack is freebased cocaine.

Here we go kids:

Coke is to Crack as Meth is too...
FREEBASED FUCKING METH AMP NOT CRYSTAL.

Take that over to BLTC and see how you get treated DaGuru or what ever your name is.

EDIT: Just because this meth situation is pissing me off.

Crystal(Ice) is methamphetamine hydrochloride. Methamp HCL can be smoked in it's HCL form but doesn't smoke as good as when it's in it's crystal form. Crystal meth(ice) is methamp HCL GROWN into crystals. When they are crystal they smoke better, and are most likely purer. It's like when you make salt crystals in science class. You're making meth salt crystals from the powdered salt.

God damn you're a fucking idiot! I used to respect you before this thread, but now I just can't. You're being fucking retarded about this. You're completely and wholly wrong. The basis of your argument is that "ice" is freebased meth, which it is not. I too thought it was until I fact-checked robin's argument. Try erowid. Try anywhere. He's right. Unlike with cocaine, the stuff that is smoked is not the freebase form of the drug. With cocaine, you snort the hcl and smoke the freebase form, but meth does not work the same way. You snort the same stuff you smoke: methamphetamine hcl. Get that through your fucking head

I agree my little hombre.

LOL @ peeps "not respecting" me anymore, just because I'm recounting my past experiences and not reading shit out of a science book or website. Maybe instead of posting from my real life knowledge, in the future I'll go surf or read some books and post about thatt.....then my e-rep won't be tainted anymore. ROFLMFAO!!!

Yeah folks, I'm COMPLETELY full of shit and have no idea what I'm talking about!

What I find depressing is how you seem to think your drug use is something kewl. I've done my fair share of drugs in the past and I just want to forget about all of that, now that I'm older and not retarded anymore. Knowing about "street drugs" does not make you cool...Not at our age. You should've maintained your dignity and let the teenagers fight it out.

I agree my little hombre.lol wut? Xiao on meth?LOL @ peeps "not respecting" me anymore, just because I'm recounting my past experiences and not reading shit out of a science book or website. Maybe instead of posting from my real life knowledge, in the future I'll go surf or read some books and post about thatt.....then my e-rep won't be tainted anymore. ROFLMFAO!!!

Yeah folks, I'm COMPLETELY full of shit and have no idea what I'm talking about!For what it's worth, I still like you :)

<3

I don't know where you got that from my posts. I'm talking about shit that happened 20 years ago. Am I proud of it all? No. Am I embarrased or feel guilty about it? No. Its part of my past, and there ain't anything I can do to change it. If I COULD change some things about my past, would I? Of course I would! But then again, who wouldn't love to go back in theire past and change some things. Whether it was 20 years or 2 weeks ago.....the old adage..."if I knew then what I knew now".

Truth be told, everything I've talked about in this thread happened between the years of 86-94. Maybe go back to 82 or 83 when I was just hanging out with dealers and not actively participating. Hell, for all I know.....everything has changed in the last 10-15 years. I haven't been around a bag of any powder for over 10 years. I'm just an average family shlub that still tokes.....knowing 2 or 3 people that can hook me up. I ain't in the lifestyle any more.

Is that life "kewl"? It can be. And it can also be crazy and dangerous. I'm not trying to promote drugs saying they are either "right" or "wrong", nor have I ever in my past. I've never judged anyone based on their willingness or reluctance to party. To each his own....and I've felt that way even when I was just a kidiot teeny bopper. As always, I'm just posting from what I've experienced and how I look at life. And no that will not change despite how much I get flamed from the masses. I ain't here for a popularity contest or for the social aspect......just exchanging text and casual banter.

I know a million people with "past experiences" of taking oxycodone and oxycontin and finding that oxycontin was better. So they report back to everyone they know saying that oxycodone is pussy shit and oxycontin is where it's at. I know, however, from reading the side of the bottle, that oxycodone and oxycontin are the same exact thing, even though I haven't taken as much of either as these people with all this "past experience." I know that the reason they find one better than the other is that they took more of one than the other. But they'll never know that because to them drugs are for taking, not learning about.

Ask any random druggie on the street and he'll tell you that oxycontin is a thousand times better better than that weak-ass oxycodone shit. He'll be basing it on mountains of experience and he'll still be wrong.

For what it's worth, I still like you :)

<3

Same here Robin. I'm not one of those playing Totse 90210...and just because we disagreed once, I won't forever hold a grudge. Sure there are SOME peeps here I don't have much respect for.....but that is only because they are repeatedly silly or idiotic. Or those that have discussed things in their lives that I find completely reprehensible. Beyond that, everything is fine as far as I'm concerned. For me, one thread doesn't affect the other. You and I will probably agree the next 50 times in a row on other topics, and then get into a heated argument on # 51. I don't get into the emotional drama around here just because people disagree with me. As far as I'm concerned, you and I are more than cool.

I know a million people with "past experiences" of taking oxycodone and oxycontin and finding that oxycontin was better. So they report back to everyone they know saying that oxycodone is pussy shit and oxycontin is where it's at. I know, however, from reading the side of the bottle, that oxycodone and oxycontin are the same exact thing, even though I haven't taken as much of either as these people with all this "past experience." I know that the reason they find one better than the other is that they took more of one than the other. But they'll never know that because to them drugs are for taking, not learning about.

Ask any random druggie on the street and he'll tell you that oxycontin is a thousand times better better than that weak-ass oxycodone shit. He'll be basing it on mountains of experience and he'll still be wrong.

As far as I'm concerned oxycondone is the shit. Although admittedly I'm not a chemist and do not know about any differences between the two. Nope, just going by the fact I pulled my back out last night, popped one about 4 hours ago and for the time being I ain't walking aorund as if I had a stick up my ass.

OxycoDONE FTW!

I take it sometimes for my headaches.

Some only condone the oxycodone, though others'll be always wantin' the oxycontin'.

I'm probably too late, but I can't stand unfeminine girls. I want a female, dammit. If you act like one of the guys, it's like fucking one of the guys.

Well at least you can admit it...