First, a certain degree of physical attractiveness is necessary for two people to have consensual sex. This is well known. Often times, particularly as the stereotype goes this applies to women, the personality of a person can go a long way towards making them more attractive. This still does not change the fact, however, that physical appearance means a good deal. He could be Prince motherfucking Charming, but no woman will find Brian Peppers attractive, ever. So we can all agree that physical attractiveness is at least somewhat important? If you do not agree, please do me a favor and do not respond to this thread.

Second, physical attractiveness is largely a matter outside of our control. For example, it is well known in evolutionary biology we desire a mate with an appearance that suggests they will be a good parent. So men are hardwired to look for child bearing physical traits, and women are hardwired to look for traits that signify a man can provide for children through such things as a physically strong body. Naturally, I am not going to deny that there are people that do not fit this mold due to things such as culture and upbringing. For the most part, this still holds true though, yes? We thus find certain people more attractive than others for reasons entirely not of their own making. All of this moves on to my next point.

Third, because we have no control over our genetics, is it not more honorable to attach yourself to a person with traits that they had to work for, instead of traits they were genetically assigned? For example, if a man works hard or studies hard and becomes wealthy, is this not a "more honorable" reason to be attracted to him than he just so happens to be genetically blessed? However, in our modern culture, that would be considered "gold digging" and the equivalent of a "whore".

You may be thinking that I am misconstruing terms and words, and that in this case, a woman wouldn't be a "gold digger" because she is actually admiring traits that happened to get the man money, not the money itself, and the primary trait the woman finds attractive is his character.

But allow me to retort. This brings up another valid point about cultural and likely personal reflections on attraction. What about another person, say, that inherited wealth? If they did not have a particularly good character and no physical attractiveness, would it still be "wrong" for a woman to be attracted to him, in this case primarily for financial assets? If yes, then we must consider a slightly skewed situation. What if, instead of financial assets, the exact same man possessed striking physical attractiveness? Would it be any better for a woman to be attracted to the man now, that even though he had lackluster character she felt his appearance "made up for it"?

I am bringing all of this up because of the people on this board and their reactions to women and men in relationships. When a woman who was unsure of if she loved her man stated that she is partly staying with her boyfriend because he provides a roof over her head and she doesn't want to provide one for herself, she was berated for being a "manipulative whore" by Totse. But when the same situation arises, but this time with a man using his partner being very physically attractive as an important reason against breaking up with her, almost no one raises an eyebrow. They are essentially the same thing.

Instead of a "gold digger" in the traditional sense, they are a "gold digger of the sensuous", i.e they use something ultimately extremely superficial as a reason to do or not do something.

I just wanted to bring this point up. Why is this sort of thing done, and why is it tolerated? I hope you don't think I'm talking about feminism, as this applies across the sexes in our culture. Unfortunately, I wont be responding in this thread very often, as I am extremely busy all weekend starting tonight.

You fucking know physical attractiveness isn't important. This should be so fucking clear by now...

Unless you're female of course. Then it kind of is important, to some degree. Most women are attractive though. I've even see disfigured women in relationships AFTER the fact of the accident.

In the end, it doesn't matter, and I'm responding. Bitch.

I'm sorry, I should have been more concise.

I didn't realize how much the considerable eyebrow folds of your fat must interfere with sustained vision for prolonged periods of time.

read a little more on evolutionary pyschology, your facts are only somewhat correct.


women are attracted to the strong, symmetrical(factor in attractiveness) man for a 1 night stand especially when theyre already coupled with a reliable provider. but the majority of the time those individuals are not valued for anything more than sex because of their innately precieved unreliablity.

moreover, women are biologically programmed to find men with large savings, or high social status. maybe you could argue the ambition is a factor, but as long as the money is there, the man is going to get girls looking for a relationship with him, because that associated wealth and high status means he will be able to provide for the children because hes the top of the social pecking order, and he has limitless resources to raise children.

so its nice to try to "noble-ize" female attraction to ambition...which is an attractive trait. however, at the end of the day gold-diggers are gold-diggers, nature programmed them that way and theyre just following instinct.

I'm probably thinking way more simply than the topic should require, but I think that when you want to be with someone for a reason other than the fact that you are attracted to them, it's wrong. If you think someone's a hottie, or you love their personality, you admire their drive and ambition to be successful or you just think their neat in general that's fine. Even if you like them for superficial reasons, but you still like them, you know?

But then there's people who date someone because of the stability they offer, or to show off how hot of a man/woman they can get, or because they want their money...but they don't actually like the person. And that's wrong.

To me, if there is a feeling of kinship, attachment and general amicability, whether it be caused by wealth or looks or personality, it's better than using someone to gain the advantages they can offer. You can't justify which traits are more honorable or deserving of affection, I think it's the presence of affection or lack thereof that is important.

American women have penises.

Can I see your doctorate please?

Hmm, sorry, let me re-phrase.

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Depends with the gold digging, lately ive seen it the other way around and even myself its going the other way around HAHA...that is she has more total wealth over me(and im middle class), and its not by a small margin or a little notch. But thats not what im in it for..... But enough with that usually, money can mean nothing because as if a girl finds a guy and has no interest in him but yet he has alot of money...that could persuade her to keep on him but lately ive been seeing it if your willing to toss up your money for a girl they seem to pick up on this as a "nice guy trait" and drop out on him. Its just like picking up a girl with no challenge its no longer a interest/fresh anymore after that 1st time, similar if she knows she can get his money, whats the worth? Its a showoff to her friends that shes got some dude by his dick.

Besides gold digging cannot happen unless the guy turns on his "im totally blind mode" to keep forking over cash to some girl without realizing whats really going on. Sort of like my friends brother.

Now in the case of my friends brother, the girl has a shit job, didn't finish high school and shes basically living off him, he buys her everything, thus she hasn't nothing else but to stick to him like glue. Sucks for him hes marrying that bitch. And shes not even attractive...truthfully.

I dont really care.
My brother,whilst ugly to me (hey he's my brother I'm meant to mock him) is a stereotypical 'attractive' person. He's tall, thin, muscular, good facial features bla bla bla and..he's dating a hobbit, basically.
The weird bit is that she finds him to be stunning, and he finds her to be beautifull.


To each their own, I guess.

I have given up on trying to understand the human race and all the weird weird quirks associated with them.

I think you could have said that in much fewer words.

So I'm young, have shitloads of potential, the mental and physical strength and work ethic to become a good provider yet they are nowhere near me, wha?

Don't try to make gold diggers out to be anything more than superficial. You think they'd want a rich man who will use his money and power to raise kids yet forget to provide the fashionable car, house, clothes, jewellery...? What would she show off to all her high strung friends? I guess thats my point.