I've came to this conclusion. Anyone disagree? If you do, do you drive a Hybrid?

You've stated your conclusion, but you give no reasons...

You're a faggot if you believe what the media want you to.

You've stated your conclusion, but you give no reasons...

You're a faggot if you believe what the media want you to.

Actually the majority of the media would want you to believe in concepts like global warming and our need to protect the earth by buying hybrid cars (In reality it caust more gas to ship hybrids then a hummers gas in its life time because hybrids are built far away)

If the media is constantly telling me to save the enviornment, how could I believe what their saying when I'm obviously disagreeing w/ them?

Are you retarded or just an angry gay?

Both 5char.

(In reality it caust more gas to ship hybrids then a hummers gas in its life time because hybrids are built far away)
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And that statement there is what will ensure you'll never be taken seriously on this BBS ever again.

You know that people who drive hybrids like the smell of their own farts, right?

That is all.

freeRadical

And that statement there is what will ensure you'll never be taken seriously on this BBS ever again.

That is actually true you piece of shit. For example, Faggots in place A could buy a humer in place A, but they are gay and want a hybrid in place Z. To ship the hybrid from place Z to place A waste more gas then a life of hummer use.

You really don't believe that?

That is actually true you piece of shit. For example, Faggots in place A could buy a humer in place A, but they are gay and want a hybrid in place Z. To ship the hybrid from place Z to place A waste more gas then a life of hummer use.

You really don't believe that?

No, I don't. Call me gullible.

freeRadical

That is actually true you piece of shit. For example, Faggots in place A could buy a humer in place A, but they are gay and want a hybrid in place Z. To ship the hybrid from place Z to place A waste more gas then a life of hummer use.

You really don't believe that?

'cause they send a whole fucking Ship over for one hyrbid right?

Actually the majority of the media would want you to believe in concepts like global warming and our need to protect the earth by buying hybrid cars (In reality it caust more gas to ship hybrids then a hummers gas in its life time because hybrids are built far away)

If the media is constantly telling me to save the enviornment, how could I believe what their saying when I'm obviously disagreeing w/ them?

Are you retarded or just an angry gay?

Both 5char.

What about the media which makes it out like driving big, fuel-guzzling cars is cool and makes you more 'manly'?

And you should really edit out the bit in brackets.

'cause they send a whole fucking Ship over for one hyrbid right?

They send it over by plane, dickwad.

To asshat above me, there is more pressure from the media, the left, the school system, and Al Gore to drive hybrids then there is from Hummer to drive their cars.

They send it over by plane, dickwad.

To asshat above me, there is more pressure from the media, the left, the school system, and Al Gore to drive hybrids then there is from Hummer to drive their cars.

There could be a good debate about the influence of the media on this, but I'm not having it with you.

No car manufacturer sends their product overseas by plane, that would be retarded.

It's not overseas.

It's not overseas.

So they fucking fly it from where then ffs?

Wow, you are all ignorant, uninformed spics. Havn't you cunt eating enviornmentalist heard about the dust to dust study? Jesus...
http://thewatt.com/article-1070-nested-1-0.html - A retard could read and understand this. Useful graphs, read first.

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/DUST%20PDF%20VERSION.pdf - this is the full detailed report, most of you dumbasses couldn't read this so don't attempt to anyway, just read the introduction,

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:ciixbb1sgS0J:www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060719.shtml+hybrid+hummer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

But despite all these drawbacks, hybrids are at least better for the environment than say….. a Hummer, right? Nope.

Spinella spent two years on the most comprehensive study to date – dubbed "Dust to Dust" -- collecting data on the energy necessary to plan, build, sell, drive and dispose of a car from the initial conception to scrappage. He even included in the study such minutia as plant-to-dealer fuel costs of each vehicle, employee driving distances, and electricity usage per pound of material. All this data was then boiled down to an "energy cost per mile" figure for each car (see here and here).

Comparing this data, the study concludes that overall hybrids cost more in terms of overall energy consumed than comparable non-hybrid vehicles. But even more surprising, smaller hybrids' energy costs are greater than many large, non-hybrid SUVs.

For instance, the dust-to-dust energy cost of the bunny-sized Honda Civic hybrid is $3.238 per mile. This is quite a bit more than the $1.949 per mile that the elephantine Hummer costs. The energy cots of SUVs such as the Tahoe, Escalade, and Navigator are similarly far less than the Civic hybrid.

As for Ford cars, a Ford Escape hybrid costs $3.2 per mile – about a third more than the regular Escape. But on the whole, ironically enough, the dust-to-dust costs of many of the Ford non-hybrids – Fusion, Milan, Zephyr – are not only lower than comparable Japanese hybrids – Prius, Accord -- but also non-hybrids – Seville, Civic.

Spinella's finding that a Hummer on the whole consumes less energy than a hybrid than even some smaller hybrids and non-hybrids has infuriated environmentalists. And on its face it does seem implausible that a gas-guzzling monster like a Hummer that employs several times more raw material than a little Prius' could be so much less energy-intensive. But by and large the dust-to-dust energy costs in Spinella's study correlate with the fanciness of the car – not its size or fuel economy -- with the Rolls Royces and Bentleys consuming gobs of energy and Mazda 3s, Saturns and Taurus consuming relatively minuscule amounts.

As for Hummers, Spinella explains, the life of these cars averaged across various models is over 300,000 miles. By contrast, Prius' life – according to Toyota's own numbers – is 100,000 miles. Furthermore, Hummer is a far less sophisticated vehicle. Its engine obviously does not have an electric and gas component as a hybrid's does so it takes much less time and energy to manufacture. What's more, its main raw ingredient is low-cost steel, not the exotic light-weights that are exceedingly difficult to make – and dispose. But the biggest reason why a Hummer's energy use is so low is that it shares many components with other vehicles and therefore its design and development energy costs are spread across many cars.

It is not possible to do this with a specialty product like hybrid. All in all, Spinella insists, the energy costs of disposing a Hummer are 60 percent less than an average hybrid's and its design and development costs are 80 percent less.

One of the most perverse things about U.S. consumers buying hybrids is that while this might reduce air pollution in their own cities, they increase pollution – and energy consumption -- in Japan and other Asian countries where these cars are predominantly manufactured. "In effect, they are exporting pollution and energy consumption," Spinella says.




Are you fucking retards so dumb that I should bold the main points?

Play nicely kids.

-deus-

Wow, you are all ignorant, uninformed spics. Havn't you cunt eating enviornmentalist heard about the dust to dust study? Jesus...
http://thewatt.com/article-1070-nested-1-0.html - A retard could read and understand this. Useful graphs, read first.

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/DUST%20PDF%20VERSION.pdf - this is the full detailed report, most of you dumbasses couldn't read this so don't attempt to anyway, just read the introduction,




Are you fucking retards so dumb that I should bold the main points?

Yes please.

freeRadical

Yes please.

freeRadical

Ha you know your a piece of shit.

Ha you know your a piece of shit.

Yeah, right. It's called sarcasm you piece of shit. You don't need to point out the main points for me. I can fucking read!!

freeRadical

Ha you know your a piece of shit.

Hey man. Thanks for making this forum such a nicer place.

That study talks about the energy use of hybrids vs. gasoline powered cars. It in no way supports your original post about gasoline use. There is no fucking way it uses more gas to ship a hybrid overseas then a hummer uses in its lifetime. Your point is moot, though, because hybrids are fucking made in the U.S. too, dickweed.

So, you're the piece of shit IMO. So, until you show me a reliable source to supoort your first post, you can GTFO my internet.

freeRadical

That is actually true you piece of shit. For example, Faggots in place A could buy a humer in place A, but they are gay and want a hybrid in place Z. To ship the hybrid from place Z to place A waste more gas then a life of hummer use.

You really don't believe that?

They send it over by plane, dickwad.


This is about where you made the biggest ass of yourself.


The hummer is a fucking polutent car. Producing 3.4 metric tons of Carbon emission during a typical year
The average milage of an american is 12,000 miles a year. That combined with the Hummers claimed 13mpg. That's 923 gallons of petrol a year. If the hummer last for at least 20 years then it will use on average 18460 Gallons of petrol. That's $52000 for petrol at todays gas price. :o

This is about where you made the biggest ass of yourself.


The hummer is a fucking polutent car. Producing 3.4 metric tons of Carbon emission during a typical year
The average milage of an american is 12,000 miles a year. That combined with the Hummers claimed 13mpg. That's 923 gallons of petrol a year. If the hummer last for at least 20 years then it will use on average 18460 Gallons of petrol. That's $52000 for petrol at todays gas price. :o




If you could read, you would realize that mile for mile, from dust to dust, hybrids are less efficient then a hummer.

My OG post stated that hybrids are for faggots. There is no need to justify that. It is a given, like in geometry.

I'm wondering, can any of you hybrid-faggots really read that and claim that hybrids are more efficient then a hummer. on a mile-mile dust-dust overall basis?
Flaming enviornmentalist girls.

Umm...
I think TBB is right.
dust to dust, hybrids are "dirtyer" than economy cars at least.
think of how bad the batteries must be...

If you could read, you would realize that mile for mile, from dust to dust, hybrids are less efficient then a hummer.

My OG post stated that hybrids are for faggots. There is no need to justify that. It is a given, like in geometry.

I'm wondering, can any of you hybrid-faggots really read that and claim that hybrids are more efficient then a hummer. on a mile-mile dust-dust overall basis?
Flaming enviornmentalist girls.

But, unlike Geometry, you can't prove your "given".

freeRadical

dude, you got it all wrong. faggots drive ethanol powered vehicles, not hybrids.

I've been seeing shitloads of Toyota Priuses all over the place. I see one pretty much every time I go out driving, often more than one in a single drive.



Its fucking wierd.

Ya, you can just tell they suck cock for a living.

Of course, if you're going to discuss the environmental impact of the batteries, you've got to include the fact that metals from automobiles are the most recycled of all metals. Other than the occasional car that's going to get lost in the middle of the fucking desert or at the bottom of a quarry (most likely with a body in the trunk), the metals and other toxic compounds in the batteries are just going to end up in other batteries down the road.

When was the last time you threw out a car battery? I'll bet it's never, because the guy at the auto parts store will give you at least $10 for it.

Of course, if you're going to discuss the environmental impact of the batteries, you've got to include the fact that metals from automobiles are the most recycled of all metals. Other than the occasional car that's going to get lost in the middle of the fucking desert or at the bottom of a quarry (most likely with a body in the trunk), the metals and other toxic compounds in the batteries are just going to end up in other batteries down the road.

When was the last time you threw out a car battery? I'll bet it's never, because the guy at the auto parts store will give you at least $10 for it.

Are you on the homosexual side or the heterosexual side?

Are you on the homosexual side or the heterosexual side?

Let me put it this way. Chicks love a guy who cares about keeping the bunnies and bluebirds from choking on smog.

I'd drive a hybrid, hybrids get good gas mileage.

-Gas costs money.
-I like weed.
-Weed costs money.
-I like other things bought with money.
-Things cost money.
-Less gas per same miles driven.
-More weed.
-More stuff.

Questions?

TheBlackPope is a retard

At no point does it say they fly hybrid cars or that hybrid cars are made from farther away that hummers. The idea is that hummers last longer than hybrids and hybrids use expensive batteries. Its cheaper to drive a hummer because it lasts longer. That is all. Nothing to do with a hybrid being more damaging to the environment because it comes from far away and they fly it, dipshit.

On top of that, new studies came out saying they recycle the batteries and hybrids ARE in fact better for the environment.

It's harder to judge true dust-to-dust figures for hybrids since, with the hybrid car being a recent development, there aren't that many that have actually gone dust-to-dust yet, at least compared to the number of regular cars that have. While we can make predictions, we can't be sure how long people will use their vehicle for, or what they'll do with it when it's seen better days, until it happens.

I do hope, however, that environmentalists don't rush into buying the next new hybrid when it's out, every time, and replace their vehicle so often it more that negates the effect of driving a hydrid in the first place.

-deus-

"Dust to dust" energy use isn't even a good measure of environmental friendliness since hybrids use more energy during manufacturing and disassembly/recycling, places where the energy used can come from renewable energy sources; even traditional oil/gas/coal powerplants are more efficient and probably cleaner sources of energy than a car's engine.

Not to mention the lifespan figures for these cars. 300,000 mile average lifespan for a hummer and 100,000 for a prius? doubtful.

Play nicely kids.

-deus-

*punches innocent bystander*

Hybrids work on technology, the componentary of such is, what I'd imagine, to be like others - hard to recycle and full of nasty things.

I'd buy a used diesel vehicle and make biofuel - It's not creating a new car.

To anyone arguing the dollars of the venture, buying a new car is never a clever thing to do, that and if anything fucked up I dunno how I'd get it fixed besides throwing a wad of cash at the problem.

bloody hell. this is offensive to the totseans with at least an ounce of intelligence. using a hybrid car makes you gay? oh please. and that dust to dust study, probably sponsored by general motors, is a load of crap. firstly, you can produce data to prove most things. if a hybrid car and a hummer, the hybrid being flown over from japan - something which wouldnt happen, with a life span of a month were compared - it is quite possible the hummer might come out on top. but the main thing is, something obviously incomprehensible to you americans, the car - no matter how efficient - will always be the problem. if you really care about the environment then instead of buying a new hybrid car, keep the old one but use it less! Also, if you are gay, you are not going to have children - unless you adopt - so you have no reason to care about global warming because you wont be around to see the worst of it. and yes, that theory was a load of crap but at least it had reasons.

On top of all that, learn to use the freakin' bus (or subway where available). Now that's some efficient transportaton

This is so true! Thank you for having the courage to say this. :)

Thanks for the report... You should try reading it...
The whole basis for its argument is that a Hummer lasts 35 years, and gets a total of 375,000 miles and lasts 35 years, while the Prius gets 109,000 miles and lasts 12 years... It gets these figures from out its ass. While I understand, with your head being so far up your own ass, how you might find this to be a reliable source... I personally do not.

And, I know, it's because I'm a pussy, or a faggot, or better yet, to top it off, maybe I like to have sex with little boys. Yeah, that's brilliant... You're so insightful.

I'm sorry that your father was cold and distant, or that maybe you didn't have the ideal family growing up, and had to take care of yourself... I'm sorry you had to survive by developing a cocoon of narcissism by clinging to a handful of fragmented ideas of masculinity. But lets try and work together to move past that. Your siblings all did (no, they're not the idiots that don't get it, That would be you) I think you're old enough,... Yeah, you can do it!!! Nothing to be scared of! Step into the REAL world with the rest of us. We will all be here when you arrive.

Only faggots drive hybrids

Agreed.


If you really cared about the environment you wouldn't own a car in the first place. People did fine without them throughout all of history up until very recently, you can too.

On that note, I would like to see a dust to dust comparison of the bus vs. biking vs. subway etc.

Thanks for the report... You should try reading it...
The whole basis for its argument is that a Hummer lasts 35 years, and gets a total of 375,000 miles and lasts 35 years, while the Prius gets 109,000 miles and lasts 12 years... It gets these figures from out its ass. While I understand, with your head being so far up your own ass, how you might find this to be a reliable source... I personally do not.


This5

This report reminds me of that study that prozac doesn't work.
Heres a fairly objective article on CNW Marketing's study. (http://www.hybridcars.com/environment-stories/dust-to-dust-energy-costs.html)