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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |
# 1
2007-11-11, 12:20
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Open your motherfucking eyes.
The belief in a God or higher being is based on nothing.
Except emotions.
There is absolutely no evidence to support this claim. And the fact that people believe that they know exactly who, when and how everything was created is just plain fucking ignorance.
Atheism is based on nothing.
Except emotions.
You believe that there is no higher being, why? Because it doesn't make sense. Because there is no evidence to support it. But seeing as there is also no evidence pointing directly against the idea of an intelligent designer, this is just as blind, stupid and ignorant as believing that there is a God. A belief based on the lack of evidence from the counterpart is fucking idiotic.
How long will it take for people to realize, that we infact, have no god damn clue how we, the earth and everything else was created. What we have, is theories.
As far as we know, we could be living in a matrix in a matrix in a matrix in a matrix x infinity.
We could be some fat, greasy kids schoolproject.
Believing is stupid.
Please, THINK.
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# 2
2007-11-11, 13:08
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
I prefer a combination.
There could easily be a "God"... however, this "God" is some multidimensional Cthulhu-esque horror that doesn't acknowledge us and looms in the eternity of the Cosmos.
In short, there isn't a true God, but there's something that's just as good (and WAY more kickass), and it's got MOTHERFUCKING TENTACLES, NIGGA.
Cthulhu fhtagn.
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# 3
2007-11-11, 17:03
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by Pyronos
I prefer a combination.
There could easily be a "God"... however, this "God" is some multidimensional Cthulhu-esque horror that doesn't acknowledge us and looms in the eternity of the Cosmos.
In short, there isn't a true God, but there's something that's just as good (and WAY more kickass), and it's got MOTHERFUCKING TENTACLES, NIGGA.
Cthulhu fhtagn.
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Ia!
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Great.... Would you believe that the character limit doesn't let you post everything above this part?
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# 4
2007-11-11, 22:20
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by i poop in your cereal
Atheism is based on nothing.
Except emotions.
You believe that there is no higher being, why? Because it doesn't make sense. Because there is no evidence to support it. But seeing as there is also no evidence pointing directly against the idea of an intelligent designer, this is just as blind, stupid and ignorant as believing that there is a God. A belief based on the lack of evidence from the counterpart is fucking idiotic.
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I see what you are saying but to say "Because there is no evidence AGAINST a God, then it is stupid to believe there is not one" is foolish and here is why:
With this kind of logic anyone can make any claim they want without evidence for or against and it will not be rejected, or accepted. That is a pointless waste of energy and leaves the door open for far too many fools to make shit up. It would bog down what is scientific knowledge and what is crack pot theory. They should be laughed out the door and rejected so that THINKING men can get back to THINKING.
The bottom line is that without evidence you are wasting your fucking time. Without evidence for whatever you claim you are nothing but a monkey wiggling his vocal chords. It has to be this way.
Atheism is not based on emotions. Atheism is based on science. Science is without emotion.
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# 5
2007-11-11, 22:21
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
It's always fun just to not give a shit about how we were created, or why we're here, and just live day-by-day  |
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2007-11-11, 22:22
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by Bleeding_Fetus
It's always fun just to not give a shit about how we were created, or why we're here, and just live day-by-day |
This.
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# 7
2007-11-11, 23:43
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by Bleeding_Fetus
It's always fun just to not give a shit about how we were created, or why we're here, and just live day-by-day |
I would agree were it not for a christian agenda in my country to TELL ME how to live day-by-day.
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# 8
2007-11-12, 00:09
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by Bleeding_Fetus
It's always fun just to not give a shit about how we were created, or why we're here, and just live day-by-day |
I agree, though to me trying to understand things and debating others are part of my day-by-day existence and they are very fun imo.
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# 9
2007-11-12, 00:23
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
i acknowledge the fact that it is entirely possible for an omnipotent being such as God to exist. but i don't necessarily believe that to be so.
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# 10
2007-11-12, 00:32
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by i poop in your cereal
You believe that there is no higher being, why? Because it doesn't make sense. Because there is no evidence to support it.
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Something being nonsensical, in an objective, interpersonal manner, and there being no evidence the positive assertion of a belief are perfectly good points of evidence for a nonbelief.
Ie, I tell you a dog has been stealing cookies out of my fridge. But I don't own a dog and my house is completely enclosed. It doesn't make sense. There is also no evidence to support my claim. Yet, believing the the negative of my assertion is completely justified. Atheists are equally justified in accepting the negative claim.
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Originally Posted by i poop in your cereal
What we have, is theories.
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"are theories." In fact, theories are very strong in the scientific meaning. Maybe you have not taken a science class in a while, but a scientific theory is much differenty from a conspiracy 'theory', i.e. the way commonfolk use it in the vernacular.
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Originally Posted by i poop in your cereal
A belief based on the lack of evidence from the counterpart is fucking idiotic.
As far as we know, we could be living in a matrix in a matrix in a matrix in a matrix x infinity.
We could be some fat, greasy kids schoolproject.
Believing is stupid.
Please, THINK.
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First, atheism is not a belief, but a dis/nonbelief. Nontheless, maybe you don't understand the word 'belief'. It is not asserting a claim to knowledge, it is but one component of knowledge. Belief, by popular accounts in epistemology, is being more confident-than-not of x. I believe I will make it to school alive tomorrow. This is justified based on past experience and probability, but I do not claim to know the future. I claim that believing is not stupid.
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2007-11-12, 01:56 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by blackfrid4y
i acknowledge the fact that it is entirely possible for an omnipotent being such as God to exist. but i don't necessarily believe that to be so.
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What he said.
If there is a god, like I've said, the universe, (therefor me too) is a perfect machine. If we were created by a higher being, the universe is on a divine path, and if god wanted to stop anyone from doing anything, he could. If not, thats just the way it is. Even if there were a god, it doesn't insure I have a soul, but that isn't something I can change (if it were, God being allknowing, would know I wouldn't know, unless he opened up the skies, and told me.)
I worry about death, but again, if I believe in a creator (I do most of the time), I have to believe, that death will be "perfect" as anything else would be by his hand. If there is no god, and nothing afterwards, I cant do anything about it, and in fact, my feelings would be summed up in a christian prayer.
"Give me the serinity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
But yeah, it's stupid to argue. Nobody knows until we're dead. Atheists call theists stupid, for believing the same ideas they have, accept on different things. We are living in a matrix of some kind (if anything). The universe only exists because of life really. Once there is no life in the universe, does it exist then?
Atheist: "The universe can be ininite, but your god (wich is supposed to be a supernatural power) cant." Dont see how you get that but w/e makes you happy. |
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#12
2007-11-12, 03:30 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
ACE, you dumb asshole. I don't think you're a troll in the classic sense, but you're accomplishing the same thing. I'm tired of reading your bullshit.
Atheist: "The universe can be ininite, but your god (wich is supposed to be a supernatural power) cant." Dont see how you get that but w/e makes you happy.
Wrong, the assertion commonly made by many theists on this forum is that the universe can't be infinite, but God can. Atheists only point out that this belief is not the result of logic and deductive reasoning.
I'm putting you on my ignore list, so if you address a post of mine, don't expect a response. I suggest everyone does the same.
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2007-11-12, 05:02 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
"I'm putting you on my ignore list, so if you address a post of mine, don't expect a response. I suggest everyone does the same."
[/i]None[/i] of these clowns can properly address these points. It takes evidence and logic to do that, something which theists are in hilariously short supply of.
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2007-11-12, 06:33 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
Atheist: "The universe can be ininite, but your god (wich is supposed to be a supernatural power) cant." Dont see how you get that but w/e makes you happy.
I don't claim that a concept of god couldn't include it being infinite, only that there is no reason to believe in such a being to begin with. More importantly, if the universe is infinite, then god is superfluous and we should put Occam's razor to work and shave god off the face of ideas.
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# 15
2007-11-12, 07:55
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by BrokeProphet
I see what you are saying but to say "Because there is no evidence AGAINST a God, then it is stupid to believe there is not one" is foolish and here is why:
With this kind of logic anyone can make any claim they want without evidence for or against and it will not be rejected, or accepted. That is a pointless waste of energy and leaves the door open for far too many fools to make shit up. It would bog down what is scientific knowledge and what is crack pot theory. They should be laughed out the door and rejected so that THINKING men can get back to THINKING.
The bottom line is that without evidence you are wasting your fucking time. Without evidence for whatever you claim you are nothing but a monkey wiggling his vocal chords. It has to be this way.
Atheism is not based on emotions. Atheism is based on science. Science is without emotion.
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Either you didn't understand what I was trying to say, or I wasn't good enough at explaining my thoughts.
There is no evidence pointing directly AGAINST a intelligent designer. Therefore we cannot know if there is one.
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2007-11-12, 08:00
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by KikoSanchez
"are theories." In fact, theories are very strong in the scientific meaning. Maybe you have not taken a science class in a while, but a scientific theory is much differenty from a conspiracy 'theory', i.e. the way commonfolk use it in the vernacular.
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Meh. My English is not entirely up-to-date.
A theory is something that is yet not proven, but is believed to may hold some truth, if not a lot.
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Originally Posted by KikoSanchez
First, atheism is not a belief, but a dis/nonbelief. Nontheless, maybe you don't understand the word 'belief'. It is not asserting a claim to knowledge, it is but one component of knowledge. Belief, by popular accounts in epistemology, is being more confident-than-not of x. I believe I will make it to school alive tomorrow. This is justified based on past experience and probability, but I do not claim to know the future. I claim that believing is not stupid.
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How else would you define it? I know that there is no God?
No, you think there is no God. Hence the word 'Belief'.
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2007-11-12, 08:02 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by blackfrid4y
i acknowledge the fact that it is entirely possible for an omnipotent being such as God to exist. but i don't necessarily believe that to be so.
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No. I'm not telling you to believe.
Actually, I'm telling you the exact opposite - To not believe. To know.
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2007-11-12, 08:10
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by i poop in your cereal
There is no evidence pointing directly AGAINST a intelligent designer. Therefore we cannot know if there is one.
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Well why the hell is it being considered? You see, there's this Flying Spaghetti Monster and by his very definition he can't be disproved...
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# 19
2007-11-12, 15:39
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by joecaveman
Well why the hell is it being considered? You see, there's this Flying Spaghetti Monster and by his very definition he can't be disproved...
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Yes but the FSM is merely.... A ... template of what God could be. All gods generally seem to be the idea of what a God could be, the consideration comes in deciding if there is any kind of God, and from there to work out what we can about this God.
In other words just as all tables are aspects of what we consider a Table to be, so Jehovah, FSM, Allah and Eris are all aspects of what we consider a God to be. I'm not sayng that there is a God, but there may be, and I'm not willing to say there is or is not a God until I see unassailable reasoning for/against God.
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# 20
2007-11-12, 16:26
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by i poop in your cereal
There is absolutely no evidence to support this claim. THINK.
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What evidence would satisfy you?
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2007-11-12, 17:43 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
No. I'm not telling you to believe.
Actually, I'm telling you the exact opposite - To not believe. To know.
Believing does not make any sense. No matter what it is that you believe.
This is ridiculous. Maybe you are confusing beliefs with faith. Beliefs are perfectly fine as long as they are justified beliefs. Without them, we could ONLY rely on knowledge and fall into a deep skepticism on all fronts. If anything, living by beliefs has prudential utility. Why would you waste time driving 8 hours to see your grandmother if you did not believe she would be there? How could you possibly KNOW she is there? You may speak to her on a phone, but you must hold many beliefs in such a case, (that it is actually her speaking, she is where she says she is, she will be there in the future). Again, a belief is something you are more confident than not about. Now faith, on the other hand, is something taken by dogma, with no need of justification, i.e. it is highly susceptible to emotional needs/wants. A belief is something, if you want to be intellectually honest ateast, that needs warranted justification.
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# 22
2007-11-12, 19:05
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by Pyronos
I prefer a combination.
There could easily be a "God"... however, this "God" is some multidimensional Cthulhu-esque horror that doesn't acknowledge us and looms in the eternity of the Cosmos.
In short, there isn't a true God, but there's something that's just as good (and WAY more kickass), and it's got MOTHERFUCKING TENTACLES, NIGGA.
Cthulhu fhtagn.
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As wacky as it sounds this is similar to my beliefs.
We can not say that a God does not exist, but we can safely say that the anthromorphized exercises in anthropocentrism we call gods here on earth do not exist.
Odds are if there is a god it's some amoral amorphous Azathothian nuclear horror from beyond the stars. Frankly I think we're all alot better off if such beings do not exist and realistically I can't imagine why anyone would wish other wise.
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2007-11-12, 20:46 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
See, this is a prime example of the compartmentalization of the mind.
This 'cereal' character is calling an infinite number of his own beliefs 'fucking idiotic.'
There are an infinite number of things we have no direct evidence against, which 'cereal here will believe to be nonexistent.
For some dumb reason, we take the widespread belief in God to mean that he is somehow exempt from the normal laws of reasoning. That his existence is just given as at least somewhat likely, and you need to find evidence against his existence before you can disbelieve. Instead of the usual ground zero skepticism we start with when judging theories, we view God's existence scale as starting in the middle, before any arguments, before any evi
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2007-11-13, 17:56 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
Since so much in the Bible is obviously untrue and has been proven to be untrue, it's reasonable to believe that the Judeo-Christian God isn't real.
Most "Christians" make up their own version of God anyways, and nobody will get any closer to any kind of conclusion on higher power.
Muslims kill us and we kill them because we don't like each other's imaginary friends.
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2007-11-13, 20:53 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by smallpox champion
Since so much in the Bible is obviously untrue and has been proven to be untrue, it's reasonable to believe that the Judeo-Christian God isn't real.
Most "Christians" make up their own version of God anyways, and nobody will get any closer to any kind of conclusion on higher power.
Muslims kill us and we kill them because we don't like each other's imaginary friends.
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Well said.
The Abrahamic religions are religions based on fear and denial. The current jihad, I think, proves this.
Oh, and OP--if you start a thread in Sotd, watch your language. A "motherfucker" in a thread title there is apt to get one infracted. |
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2007-11-13, 21:36 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
People dont seem to realize that if there was a god that exists, he would not be all mysterious and shit. The logical thing would be for him to just straight up make himself known to mankind.
Religion is just made up as a way to comfort people's fear of the unknown. That is the basis for all religions.
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2007-11-15, 19:39 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
People dont seem to realize that if there was a god that exists, he would not be all mysterious and shit. The logical thing would be for him to just straight up make himself known to mankind.
Why?
I don't see that God has to do anything.
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2007-11-15, 20:48 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
Why?
I don't see that God has to do anything.
I don't see that God DOES anything. I don't see that the ghost of Christmas past DOES anything. I don't see that Santa Claus DOES anything. I don't see that the Roswell aliens DO anything. I don't see that bigfoor DOES anything. I don't see that NESSIE does anything.
All these cases have something in common. You only hear about what they did. You never see it yourself. Why is this?
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2007-11-16, 11:09 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
I don't see that God DOES anything. I don't see that the ghost of Christmas past DOES anything. I don't see that Santa Claus DOES anything. I don't see that the Roswell aliens DO anything. I don't see that bigfoor DOES anything. I don't see that NESSIE does anything.
All these cases have something in common. You only hear about what they did. You never see it yourself. Why is this?
That's hardly the point is it?
I was just saying that I can't see any reason why God, if he exists, would have to prove himself to us.
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2007-11-16, 12:54 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
I don't see how he can expect us to believe if he doesn't.
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2007-11-16, 18:59 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
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Originally Posted by smallpox champion
Since so much in the Bible is obviously untrue and has been proven to be untrue, it's reasonable to believe that the Judeo-Christian God isn't real.
Most "Christians" make up their own version of God anyways, and nobody will get any closer to any kind of conclusion on higher power.
Muslims kill us and we kill them because we don't like each other's imaginary friends.
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Yes. Ofcourse I'm not talking about organized religions, those are disproved by default. |
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2007-11-16, 20:21 |
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Re: Open your motherfucking eyes.
That's hardly the point is it?
I was just saying that I can't see any reason why God, if he exists, would have to prove himself to us.
Well if he gave humanity 5 minutes face time there would be fewer pricks like me calling him an imaginary friend for emotionally crippled grown-ups.
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