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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |
# 1
2007-09-27, 02:02
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Did Jesus die on a cross?
Jehovahs Witnesses say that he died on a tree. The term "cross" in greek is translated from the term "wood" or "stake". And the name Jesus is Greek for "one who was anointed". His real name is Yeshua Ben Joesef.
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# 2
2007-09-27, 02:10
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Strawberry Fields Forever
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
No he died in an apple tree.
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# 3
2007-09-27, 02:48
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dodging the rain and tractors
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
The JW's are quite justified in claiming it was a stake but as far as I know the best guess is it was a short 'T' cross or maybe a 'x'.
Infact the only thing scholars can agree on is that it almost certainly wasn't the cross we commonly associate with Xianity.
As to his name, no one knows.
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# 4
2007-09-27, 13:40
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
No he died on a dildo
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2007-09-27, 19:38
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
One of the gospels--as written in Greek--strongly implies that Jesus didn't die--the thing was a hoax. And either Herod or Joseph of Arimathea knew it.
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2007-09-27, 22:46 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
She died 3 days later - she did a little dance and then floated off into the clouds. It's how we should all go out.
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2007-09-27, 23:30 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
I saw some documentary on this that said a lot of crucifixion victims were nailed to a horizontal board nailed to a tree.
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#8
2007-09-28, 01:22 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
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Originally Posted by Howard.Stern
I saw some documentary on this that said a lot of crucifixion victims were nailed to a horizontal board nailed to a tree.
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So, both? |
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2007-09-28, 03:19 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
So, both?
possibly
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2007-09-29, 18:31 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
'Jesus', or, just the latest version of peoples sun god is a personified image of the Sun.
Late in the year the sun lies at its lowest place in the sky where it "dies" Underneath the famous Crux (cross) star constellation.
After 3 or so days the sun then is "resurrected" as it begins the new year and its rise in place in the sky.
This is why most sun god based religions (Egypt, Persians, Christianity) All have their personified character of the Sun with his head over a cross with a circle around it.
They are LITERALLY the sun, who is in the middle of the circle of the zodiac.
There you go, 'Jesus' metaphorically 'dies' on the Crux.
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2007-09-29, 19:08 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
^that too, but people really were crucified in the Roman days
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# 12
2007-09-29, 21:33
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Belgium, excuse my English
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
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Originally Posted by Trojan_47
Jehovahs Witnesses say that he died on a tree. The term "cross" in greek is translated from the term "wood" or "stake". And the name Jesus is Greek for "one who was anointed". His real name is Yeshua Ben Joesef.
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Yeshua = Jesus, you halfwit. Yeshua Ben Joesef simply means Jesus son of Joseph.
The Greek word Christos means "the anointed one."
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2007-09-29, 22:25 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
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Originally Posted by Howard.Stern
^that too, but people really were crucified in the Roman days
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That doesn't take away from the fact its an old pagan folk tale which anthropomorphizes the signs of the zodiac...and people have taken it as literal. |
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2007-09-30, 01:39 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
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Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant
One of the gospels--as written in Greek--strongly implies that Jesus didn't die--the thing was a hoax. And either Herod or Joseph of Arimathea knew it.
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Apocryphal, of course. Some of the Gnostic ones talk about him using his pleroma-derived powers to switch his position with one of his followers.
This is based on a vague memory of a passage in 'A New Eusebius', so I could be mistakening, but this was the impression I got.
OP, if Jesus did exist (and it's not entirely irrational to say he did) then yes, he was nailed to a peice of wood of some kind (a practice Romans had used extensively- for example, Spartacus' army's survivors were crucified along the Appian way) and died that way. Horrible way to die.
The debate of course is the miracles, and if he came back. |
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2007-10-01, 12:51 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
well, the gospels said he died on the cross, and so did various roman sources
and if both jesus's friends and enemies said it, then theres a good chance it is true, from a historical point of view.
whether or not he was ressurected is a different story
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#16
2007-10-01, 19:58 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
some say he didnt die on the cross. wether its a cross or a tree.
a theory is his arms got tired, he slouched. he was hanging on a tree/cross so his chest had alot of pressure on it. he couldnt breathe, he passed out. the romans though he was dead. the put him in the tomb. he regains conciousness and three days later finds a way out of his tomb.
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2007-10-01, 20:11 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
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Originally Posted by demolition_lovers
some say he didnt die on the cross. wether its a cross or a tree.
a theory is his arms got tired, he slouched. he was hanging on a tree/cross so his chest had alot of pressure on it. he couldnt breathe, he passed out. the romans though he was dead. the put him in the tomb. he regains conciousness and three days later finds a way out of his tomb.
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problem is that his feet would probably have been nailed too, so you cant exactly slouch. that and they stabbed him. |
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2007-10-01, 22:28 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
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Originally Posted by demolition_lovers
some say he didnt die on the cross. wether its a cross or a tree.
a theory is his arms got tired, he slouched. he was hanging on a tree/cross so his chest had alot of pressure on it. he couldnt breathe, he passed out. the romans though he was dead. the put him in the tomb. he regains conciousness and three days later finds a way out of his tomb.
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That's how you die from crucifixion, from asphyxiation. They break your legs if it's taking too long.
Jesus was apparently lucky enough to 'die' before the leg-breaker made his rounds, thus fulfilling another convenient little biblical prophecy.
The problem with saying that he merely passed out and was considered dead was a) What's to stop him dieing from a few minutes lack of oxygen after passing out? and b) They apparently stabbed him in the side with a spear. Now that I think about it, it would probably be pretty hard trying to escape a tomb from the inside, considering I was of the impression they were blocked with large stones. |
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2007-10-02, 04:14
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Just passing 10000 posts.
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
there would have also been soldiers guarding his tomb to prevent nosy followers from trying to get his body out
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2008-08-09, 20:58 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
That doesn't take away from the fact its an old pagan folk tale which anthropomorphizes the signs of the zodiac...and people have taken it as literal.
Yeah, Christianity in the early years co-opted a lot of pagan stuff--it was a great marketing tool.
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2008-08-09, 21:55 |
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Re: Did Jesus die on a cross?
I thought the only historical record of Jesus of Nazareth, outside of the gospels, were Josephus and 3 others.
Of the 4 only Josephus mentioned Jesus by name (the others simply put Christos or annointed one, and only had a senetence or so in their documents). This paragraph (yes only a paragraph) mentioning Jesus by name has largely been regarded as a fruad for numerous reasons.
So if the only historical peice of evidence at the time is the bible, Josephus, and three other historians who only mention the annointed one, and nothing else, I'm disinclined to believe in Jesus at all.
Coupled with the numerous coincidences surrounding Jesus, astrology, paganism, and other religions, my inclinations to not believe the man of Nazareth even existed only grows.
Even if a person were so inclined as to believe the historical accuracy of the bible in this account, the most important facet of Jesus to most Christians was the death and resurrection, and if they can't even get the death right...
Seems kind of like clinging to a broken belief.
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