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Confrontation is the only way to get the truth.

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That's what you get for waiting around for her. She knows she can have you whenever she wants, therefore she doesn't want you at all. Move on, if you keep trailing along behind her like a lost puppy you've got zero chance. Start spending time with other girls, focus on other areas of your life.

Well now with all the crap you said about he blowing you off and dating assholes i think you're stuck in the friends zone. The only thing you can do is talk to her about it as soon as possible and say EVERYTHING you want to. Don't hold back because if after you say everything you're feeling about her and your situation and she STILL blows you off then its fucking over. Move on after that if you make no progess cuz she's not interested.

Well now with all the crap you said about he blowing you off and dating assholes i think you're stuck in the friends zone. The only thing you can do is talk to her about it as soon as possible and say EVERYTHING you want to. Don't hold back because if after you say everything you're feeling about her and your situation and she STILL blows you off then its fucking over. Move on after that if you make no progess cuz she's not interested.

No, I am not in the "friends zone". I know all too well what that is, and that is not the situation here.

Maybe if you made yourself less available, it'd make her realise how much she needs you?

That sounds really sad. :(

I hate to say it.. but it does sound like she views you as a friendly big brother, or the obligatory male friend.
The obligatory male friend area is bad. It means she can use you to make her feel good. You'll flatter her, and make her know she's pretty and desireable. And she'll use that... to go fuck other men!

I dont know how you can change that. It's odd how she needs 'more time' when you ask her out, but she's happy to go out with other guys.

I think you have to seriously think about this girl and what you want from her and from life.
If you're happy to have her as a friend and only a friend and continue to buff her and boost her confidence so she's nice for other men, then you should probably appologise for seeming so pushy, and explain how awesome you think she is, and how you're utterly happy to just be good friends.


If you want more than that from her, you're really going to have to confront her about it, even if you're terrible at confrontations. Otherwise, you'll never know the truth.
Of course, if this is what you want from her and you end up discussing this with her, there's a chance you'll lose her as a friend.


I must say, she has terrible taste in men if each of them keeps 'making' her not hang out with you, and she choses a man who makes ultimatums over a good friend.


Please keep us updated?

She doesn't view you as dating material. Don't be stupid, man.

You're a nice guy, not overly confident. Maybe you had your chance at the start, missed it, and now she doesn't see you as boyfriend material.

He sounds pretty desireable to me.
But... girls are weird.
Lets hope in a years time our thread starter has moved on and met a wonderfull and appreciative girl, and the girl he currently likes really really regrets letting him go and kicks herself for her stupidity every day.

Pfft... let's hope our thread starter has spent the next half decade enjoying himself without being tied down, then finds the girl of his dreams in his early 20s and doesn't regret missing out on life.

You shouldnt be in a relationship if it makes you feel tied down. But yes I agree, I hope he has great fun without this manipulative cow lurking around waiting for comments and flattery.

With every steady girlfriend I had up until my current, I always had a worry in the back of my mind that I should experience more before being tied down with my slippers and pipe (or bong... or just a joint)

Maybe thats not relevant... Im kinds buzzed.

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