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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |
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2007-08-23, 05:50
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I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Hello.
I am writing this from a Muslim point of view, how ever, please don't take it as in insult towards any other religion.
I think that the all of the three primary religions which believe in creationism believe that we all have a sole, and that one God created us.
How ever, I have found no evidence in the Quran that we were created as physical objects, one of Islam's most important causes to make humans more peaceful (thus less animal-like?).
My theory is this; maybe we were created as metaphysical soles, and we simply possessed the bodies of evolved apes?
And maybe religion was a way to sort of test our willings, and see if we're powerful enough to reverse this process? a way to make us more metaphysical and sole-centered rather than physically enslaved animals?
It's a simple theory, which is why I am sure it has many flaws, any input you have towards this specific subject would be highly appreciated, thanks.
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# 2
2007-08-23, 07:31
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Have you ever read the Quran?
I'm not a Muslim and even I know that the Quran says the first man was formed out of clay by Allah (Sura 15 "Al-Hijr" verse 26, as well as numerous other places in the Quran). 
Better yet, instead of reading that book of lies that Mohamed dreamed up 600 years after Jesus Christ came to Earth, why not read the Bible?
Last edited by Rolloffle; 2007-08-23 at 07:40.
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2007-08-23, 08:29
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by KING G
we were created as metaphysical soles,.
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You mean like Reeboks®??!
:P
Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
Anyway like Rolloffle says, I too thought the Koran made it clear that man was created out of clay.
Although maybe 'dung' would be a better translation...
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2007-08-23, 16:11
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by Rolloffle
Better yet, instead of reading that book of lies that Mohamed dreamed up 600 years after Jesus Christ came to Earth, why not read the Bible?
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I don't understand - the Bible says the same thing, that God formed a man out of clay and breathed on him until he came to life. Why is it wrong when the Quran says this, but not when the Bible says it?
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# 5
2007-08-23, 16:23
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by T-zone
I don't understand - the Bible says the same thing, that God formed a man out of clay and breathed on him until he came to life. Why is it wrong when the Quran says this, but not when the Bible says it?
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The Bible says God breathed on dirt....and women originated from a rib, and the human race was formed through incest. On the subject, the Qur'an has several contradictions as too how men were made; either way its a crock of shit. The moral of the story is: if you rely on a 1000+ year text for scientific truths, you might as well rely on thousand year-old medical practices too.
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# 6
2007-08-23, 18:09
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by KING G
I think that the all of the three primary religions which believe in creationism believe that we all have a sole, and that one God created us.
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Just out of curiosity, which religions do you think are the three primary ones (whatever that means)?
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# 7
2007-08-23, 18:51
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Just out of curiosity, which religions do you think are the three primary ones (whatever that means)?
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I am sure he means the primary monotheistic ones ie Judaism Christianity and Islam.
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# 8
2007-08-23, 19:33
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by Jove
I am sure he means the primary monotheistic ones ie Judaism Christianity and Islam.
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Yeah.
Rolloffle: Maybe the first man was an ape made out of clay? everythought of that?
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# 9
2007-08-23, 19:46
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Men weren't created from clay silly, else we'd be walking around looking like Gumby.
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# 10
2007-08-23, 19:58
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by KING G
Yeah.
Rolloffle: Maybe the first man was an ape made out of clay? everythought of that?
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Not really, as I could give two shits if he was or wasn't.
Religious people sure bring a smile to my face....
Edit: I just realized that last part was not addressed to me... sorry about that.
Last edited by Jove; 2007-08-23 at 23:41.
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2007-08-23, 21:25 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
I see that yet again people are attaching personal significance to what religion they think is most dominant.
I'll spare you all the rant;
There is no such thing as 'primary' or 'secondary' when it comes to human society, only that which we assign for ourselves.
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2007-08-23, 21:33 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Intelligent Design sees the "holes" in evolution (i.e. irreducible complexity), and in their place comes a god. Your theory says that God created souls as well as physical bodies so that the souls may have a habitat somewhere. This just adds more metaphysical shit to the equation and creates more questions than answers: How are the souls able to inhabit bodies? Why create souls that wander, why not fixed bodies and fixed souls? What is the nature of this soul? Etc.
ID starts out by saying a god must have created us because of [cites evidence]. You, on the other hand say "assuming a god created us, here is how our souls operate". Basically, your theory is not really a theory.
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# 13
2007-08-24, 02:53
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by KING G
Yeah.
Rolloffle: Maybe the first man was an ape made out of clay? everythought of that?
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Isnt it better to just say God created single-celled organisms from clay?
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# 14
2007-08-24, 03:03
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by KING G
Yeah.
Rolloffle: Maybe the first man was an ape made out of clay? everythought of that?
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KING G, I'm going to be honest with you. I think that Islam is a perversion of the truth of the Bible and Christianity.
However, if you really are a Muslim, why can't you simply have faith that Allah created the first man out of clay?
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2007-08-24, 03:49 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
KING G, I'm going to be honest with you. I think that Islam is a perversion of the truth of the Bible and Christianity.
However, if you really are a Muslim, why can't you simply have faith that Allah created the first man out of clay?
Because I believe that god and heaven\hell is a metaphysical place, and I don't understand how a physical object such as a human being (Adam) being transferred from such world into ours.
Revolution still can't prove how the first orgasm was created, I say god created that first orgasm out of clay, let it evolve into an advanced ape, then transferred the metaphysical sole of Adam into it after he was thrown out of heaven.
So I guess it's a theory towards people that either believe in an abrahemic religion, no one else.
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2007-08-24, 04:01 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
KING G, I'm going to be honest with you. I think that Islam is a perversion of the truth of the Bible and Christianity.
However, if you really are a Muslim, why can't you simply have faith that Allah created the first man out of clay?
Rolloffle, I'm going to be honest with you. I think that Christianity is a preversion of the truth of the Old Testament and the Torah.
KING G, stop being a sand nigger.
You guys know the best thing about Islam?
You can mary your cousins! Now how about we tell that to all those red-necks in AmeriKa. 150 million are sure to convert!
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#17
2007-08-24, 04:03 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
ID starts out by saying a god must have created us because of [cites evidence]. Y
What evidence? ID is a crock of shit and they have no proof of irreducible complexity or anything else they say for that matter.
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2007-08-24, 06:07 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
KING G, stop being a sand nigger.
You guys know the best thing about Islam?
You can mary your cousins! Now how about we tell that to all those red-necks in AmeriKa. 150 million are sure to convert!
It's great that you have demonstrated your intelligence by resorting to racial slurs. :)
Did you know evolutionists can also marry their cousins? Charles Darwin did, and because of his inbreeding (which he thought would be genetically superior children) 3 of his 10 children died prematurely.
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2007-08-24, 06:09 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Because I believe that god and heaven\hell is a metaphysical place, and I don't understand how a physical object such as a human being (Adam) being transferred from such world into ours.
Revolution still can't prove how the first orgasm was created, I say god created that first orgasm out of clay, let it evolve into an advanced ape, then transferred the metaphysical sole of Adam into it after he was thrown out of heaven.
So I guess it's a theory towards people that either believe in an abrahemic religion, no one else.
Well okay, but it seems that your beliefs in contradiction to the Quran and most Muslims.
Just out of curiosity, do you ever worship at a Mosque?
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2007-08-24, 06:15 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Well okay, but it seems that your beliefs in contradiction to the Quran and most Muslims.
Just out of curiosity, do you ever worship at a Mosque?
OMG get him Rolloffle he is thinking outside of the box. Who does he think he is? BAD SHEEP. BAD SHEEP. FOLLOW.
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2007-08-24, 08:05 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Well okay, but it seems that your beliefs in contradiction to the Quran and most Muslims.
Just out of curiosity, do you ever worship at a Mosque?
Rarely, really, I want spirituality to be as self-centered as possible, I believe that all religions were created for one cause, make human beings more peaceful and willing to live together, which is obviously rare these days, which is why I am very anti-social.
Just out of curiosity, why do you ask?
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2007-08-24, 08:22 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Just out of curiosity, why do you ask?
Well, I wanted to see how serious you are. :p
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2007-08-24, 10:52 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Because I believe that god and heaven\hell is a metaphysical place, and I don't understand how a physical object such as a human being (Adam) being transferred from such world into ours.
Revolution still can't prove how the first orgasm was created, I say god created that first orgasm out of clay, let it evolve into an advanced ape, then transferred the metaphysical sole of Adam into it after he was thrown out of heaven.
So I guess it's a theory towards people that either believe in an abrahemic religion, no one else.
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2007-08-24, 11:03 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Where do you crazy people come up with these theories?
And if you truly believe in these religions... how dare you come up with your own little theories and ways of feeling comfortable with a faith that's grounding has literally been stripped from under your feet.
No. Your theory is wrong.
I hate it when religious people try to make themselves feel better. Either have your faith or let go of it. Don't try to straddle the rift.
Ugh.
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2007-08-24, 11:03 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
KING G, I'm going to be honest with you. I think that Islam is a perversion of the truth of the Bible and Christianity.
However, if you really are a Muslim, why can't you simply have faith that Allah created the first man out of clay?
Faith =/= Literalism.
It's great that you have demonstrated your intelligence by resorting to racial slurs. :)
Did you know evolutionists can also marry their cousins? Charles Darwin did, and because of his inbreeding (which he thought would be genetically superior children) 3 of his 10 children died prematurely.
Ad-hominem, not a real argumentative technique, -5 points.
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2007-08-24, 11:07 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Did you know evolutionists can also marry their cousins? Charles Darwin did, and because of his inbreeding (which he thought would be genetically superior children) 3 of his 10 children died prematurely.
That was stupid of Charles Darwin. Also, there are plenty or religious kings, bishops, etc that have married their cousins throughout history. Hell, the bible itself is an incest haven.
And thus do you present more evidence of why the human race could never have survived via Adam and Eve.
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2007-08-24, 16:48 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Ad-hominem, not a real argumentative technique, -5 points.
It's good to see someone calling this fool out on his incessant logical fallacy.
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2007-08-24, 16:50 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
ROLLOFFLE:
Albert Einstein married his cousin.
Inbreeding increases the chance of birth defects or health problems by about 2% - the same amount that risk is increased by having a baby past 40 years of age. If we are going to outlaw "kissin' cousins" for that reason, we might as well say that you are not allowed to get pregnant once you get over the hill. In the long run, inbreeding actually removes defective genes from the gene pool. Stop talking about things you don't understand; not everyone who marries his cousin has kids with 11 toes.
Abraham's wife Sarah was his sister:
"And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"
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2007-08-24, 21:51 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
What evidence? ID is a crock of shit and they have no proof of irreducible complexity or anything else they say for that matter.
Had I actually believed such a thing I would have actually cited the evidence; it was for exemplary purposes. Whether you like it or not, ID proponents BELIEVE they have evidence and you thinking they don't doesn't change their beliefs.
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2007-08-24, 22:23 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Abraham's wife Sarah was his sister:
"And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)
Sorry buddy, Abraham's wife was Sarah but Sarah was not his sister. He only said that she was his sister and not wife because he knew that he would be killed for his wife if he said otherwise.
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2007-08-24, 23:39 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
If you read the damn verse I quoted, he is never saying that she is not his wife. He is saying that Sarah is his half-sister and also his wife.
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2007-08-25, 02:45 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
God uses Breathe
Wild Geodude appears!
Oh and King G, it's spelled organism. Allah's clay orgasm gave me a chuckle
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2007-08-25, 09:40 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Oh and King G, it's spelled organism. Allah's clay orgasm gave me a chuckle
Lol, I feel so stupid... :(
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2007-08-25, 13:57 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
God uses Breathe
Wild Geodude appears!
lololol
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2007-08-31, 19:35 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
God created evolution.
Where's the problem?
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2007-08-31, 20:46 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant
God created evolution.
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2007-08-31, 22:55 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Evidence means nothing. Evidence is illusion.
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2007-09-01, 03:36 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
Just because science cannot be applied to a concept does not mean that concept is not possible.
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2007-09-01, 06:13
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Men weren't created from clay silly, else we'd be walking around looking like Gumby.
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That would be so badass.
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2007-09-07, 04:53 |
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
KING G, I quite like your little theory. Do I believe it? No; I don't see any reason to believe any religion, at the moment. But it's a very neat idea, and I'm probably going to steal it for a story sometime. :D
I like, I like. Keep going with it. I'd be interested to see where all this leads. :)
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2007-09-07, 12:31
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Re: I have come up with a theory that emerges evolution and creationism, I
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Originally Posted by KING G
Hello.
I am writing this from a Muslim point of view, how ever, please don't take it as in insult towards any other religion.
I think that the all of the three primary religions which believe in creationism believe that we all have a sole, and that one God created us.
How ever, I have found no evidence in the Quran that we were created as physical objects, one of Islam's most important causes to make humans more peaceful (thus less animal-like?).
My theory is this; maybe we were created as metaphysical soles, and we simply possessed the bodies of evolved apes?
And maybe religion was a way to sort of test our willings, and see if we're powerful enough to reverse this process? a way to make us more metaphysical and sole-centered rather than physically enslaved animals?
It's a simple theory, which is why I am sure it has many flaws, any input you have towards this specific subject would be highly appreciated, thanks.
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your reasoning is flawed. it incorporates the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy and is therefore invalid
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