Not fat, but chubby. I think they're cute, I can see why Clinton wanted a BJ from Monica Lewinsky. I don't care if a girl has a couple extra pounds, its sexy.

Good for you.
<3

I think it's preffered if you call them curved.

Fat bottomed girls, you make the rockin' world go round!

http://nohomers.net/images/smilies/headbang.gif

As long as their stomach doesnt go out further then the girls boobs.

I guess I'm in the clear than.. whew.. :)

After having two kids, I'm definitely on the chubby side.. :(

I want you inside me. 0.0

Personally, not my cup of tea... I've never had sex with a fat/chubby/whatever (all the same to me) chick, and quite frankly, I doubt I ever will.

Or maybe I've had sex with a "chubby" girl before.. I guess it depends on the definition of the word.

Anyone wanna show pictures of what they consider "chubby" to be? So that I can get a vague idea?

Yay?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/raveyoyo/wave41.gif

Well, out of drunken boredomness, I decided to do a bit of research into the whole chubby definition, and..

It turns out that what I thought was chubby... is actually considered fat.

And what I considered fat... would be considered morbidly obese.

So in conclusion, I'm definitely not into chubby chicks and have never had sex with one in my life.

Whatever floats your boat man. Personally, i much prefer the really skinny ones but i'm probably just weird.

Ah you like to see the outline of your dick through her skin when fucking her eh?

I don't know what I'd be. I'm not a stick, but I'm not fat either. I don't have a flat belly, but its a bit rounded. I guess that would be either curvy or average.

qftmt

i like girls who have a little meat on them, but not chubby. Like the sort of athletic build. Or really skinny chicks (cokeheads and dancers for the win)

Ah you like to see the outline of your dick through her skin when fucking her eh?

Yes, that is UNBELIEVABLY hot for me. Heh, i've got a boner now.

Yay?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/raveyoyo/wave41.gif

You should be happy yoyobek, he is giving you an open invitation to come over and throw yourself on to him. He promised he won't be disgusted.

So what's "a few extra pounds"?

I weigh 130 pounds and I would like to weigh 125.

Thats what by chubby. Not fat, but a little extra weight is fine by me.

There is no way that you weigh 130 lbs.

...What do you mean?

...What do you mean?

I think it should be pretty obvious from the statement.

I mean do you think I'm fatter or thinner than 130?

My Dick Is chubby.

Seeing a picture of you, and seeing that you live in Georgia it would be hard for me to believe you are 130 lbs. Unless of course you have no legs, or are 5'0" tall.

Not saying you are fat, just that 130 lbs. is light and I've seen a lot of 130 lb. girls, but not many 130 lb. women.

Actually I'm 5'1" and my legs are pretty damn short!:P 130 is at the upper end of my "healthy" weight range, which is why I'm trying to lose 5 pounds. We're not ALL fat in Georgia!

It's hard to discern what some people conider skinny and others consider chubby or fat. It would be nice to have a frame of reference in the form of pictures. It would be awesome if you guys could post a picture of what you think the ideal body is, and what you think is too chubby.

I'd like to know exactly where I fall on the chubiness scale, after all!

I like my white women thin, my asian women with a little meat on their bone, and I love big black women. Basically the darker the skin the more weight I want.

It would be awesome if you guys could post a picture of what you think the ideal body is, and what you think is too chubby.That's hard to do, because "thickness" is directly proportional to height.

Example: Scarlett Johansson is 5'4", and her level of "thick" is wonderful.

Nicole Richie is only 3" shorter (5'1"), but if she were as "thick" as ScarJo, she'd look fat. Like she did when she got out of rehab the first time.

So it's hard, if not impossible, to say that any picture of a body type is preferable, because while it may be appropriate for the person pictured, it's probably not directly applicable to anyone else.

large girls are for desperate men.

I hate to be so cynical and stereotypical, but IME its always true. ( or men who have given up all hope, and really don't care, so they make the excuse that they prefer large women)

I can honestly say, its been a good while since I've hammered on a fat chick.

I should give you neg rep for mentioning Monica Lewinsky but I'm in a good mood so I won't. The worlds been trying to forget about her for years.

Chubby chicks give the best head. The eat your cock like it was a footlong sub and they're jarrett.

Most of the girls i've dated have been 'chubby'. I have no problems with it whatsoever. I got drunk and slept with a fat chick once though, that was a haunting experience.

I have n o problem with "chubby girls"

And"chubby" depends on culture, etc; an Afro-American wold say a person is "thick" while a caucasian person would call her "fat" depending on things so....

Meh, I prefer their personalities myself. USUALLY. Some fat chicks bug the fuck out of me.

I've always been a shallow bastard though and mainly stuck with those hot shallow vapid bitches.

I've never had a problem with big girls, I always just ended up with the stupid ones. Not that I prefer them, that's just how it went.

Now though, I got me a girl who is a bit bigger than my usual, and I love her to death. I don't feel like I'm going to break her during sex. Her personality is golden, and despite a few extra pounds, she is still the most beautiful woman I've ever met.

I am lucky to have a family with her, and spend the rest of my life, enjoying life with her.

d I love big black women. Basically the darker the skin the more weight I want.

more to eat?

I've never had any complaints and I'm fairly curvy ;)

1. No guy that wants to get with you is going to call you fat.
2. Pics or it didn't happen.

I like girls who jiggle :D

I'm with a girl who's about 5' 10" and 155. She's also a star volleyball player and 7 year rep soccer player. She's extremely athletic and looks great for her weight. Now, she would be defined as curvy, but she's a lot more fun in the sack I find and could probably beat my ass at most sports :p
In the end... it's your choice obviously, but personality is ten times more important than being 5 or 10 above what's expected.
If we're talking 20 to 30+ above expected she's probably just going to be a friend of mine. Shallow? maybe. Still the truth.

So what's "a few extra pounds"?

A minor inconvenience I guess... I mean, I could date or fuck a chick with 'a few extra pounds', but I would be making a minor sacrifice in terms of what I find ideal.

1. No guy that wants to get with you is going to call you fat.
2. Pics or it didn't happen.

I said curvy, not fat.

Everyone wants to know what is fat, chubby, etc.. Here a pic of me..

I look better than this now, but this is me on what I would call the 'fat' side.. Date is wrong, meh.. But I'm definitely not skinny like I used to be.. :(
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j267/AmariaR/Blah.jpg
Doesn't bother me too much though..

I said curvy, not fat.

Yes, but saying that you are "curvy" is implying that you have the necessary amount of fat to look like a woman, which is at odds with the metrosexual ideal of a female that looks like a little boy and whos ribs you could play like a xylophone. But still, if you look like a woman is supposed to, some brainwashed media cunt is going to consider you fat. Just not a real man that would actually find you attractive. Note that a real man wouldn't call you or consider you fat. So my point is still valid.

Yes, but your post failed with the second point, hence why you didn't get taken seriously.

And I've been larger, I've dropped a lot of weight in the last 6 months so I'm fairly clued up on how some assholes think.

As someone who has gotten drunk and had sex with a wide range of drunk college girls, from super skinny (under 100 pounds) to really fat (5'2" over 250, think deadendgirl), I like to consider myself an expert on the subject.

Skinny girls know you want to sleep with them. You work for it. They're usually selfish, and in turn bad, in bed.

Chunky girls know they're chunky. They work for it. Great in bed.

Really, really fat girls are just too gross in bed. However, its a well known fact that the fatter a girl is, the better head she gives.

Yes, but saying that you are "curvy" is implying that you have the necessary amount of fat to look like a woman, which is at odds with the metrosexual ideal of a female that looks like a little boy and whos ribs you could play like a xylophone. But still, if you look like a woman is supposed to, some brainwashed media cunt is going to consider you fat. Just not a real man that would actually find you attractive. Note that a real man wouldn't call you or consider you fat. So my point is still valid.

Ah yes, you are just so right. How silly of me to consider it attractive when a woman's love handles don't muffin top out of her jeans, and whose gut doesn't jiggle whenever she laughs. I guess I'm just not a real man.

Let me try and make things easier for everyone here...

Too fat and too skinny are universally unattractive. If you deviate from this norm, and are attracted to people that are typically considered by your average person as being too fat or too skinny, then you have some kind of fetish.

Of course there's nothing wrong with that, but that isn't what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is a definition for what is fat, skinny, normal, in terms of attraction. Since there seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread.

So we all might have our own little terms we use to describe different weight proportions and sizes, but it isn't that complicated. There is a body shape that is what is considered universally attractive. It's what we are pre-disposed to being attracted to. And it has a lot to do with health too.

Typically, the fatter you are, the more out of shape you are. And how is being out of shape at all attractive? And of course, on the flip side, if you are too skinny, and lacking in strength, then you are not as fit as you should be. And this all dates back to when we had to be fit to survive, yada yada yada.

So, let's say there is a universal average that represents what the majority find attractive. All you have to do is just consider how far off you are from that to determine how attractive you will be (physically) to the average person.

It's not that hard to understand.

I mean, I'm definitely not at my ideal body shape or size. But the main reason that concerns me is because I would like to be healthier, stronger, more fit, and in better shape all around. Then of course comes vanity, but that isn't the most important reason for me.

Anyway, even though I'm not at my ideal body shape/size, I still find a fit female to be attractive, and therefor go for that.

Luckily, I'm not too far off in terms of fitness that I am that distinguishable from the ideal.

But looks are only part of the package anyway. So I'm pretty much set.

the link decided to take a shit and die.

but, i did see it, and (i'm not attempting to make any negative size remarks) i find girls your size and a little larger attractive. not much larger, i do have limits.

quite often, the girls i am attracted to are considered "chubby." don't get me wrong, i do think a great number of the thinner women look amazing. i think i generally stick to the slightly thicker girls because:

1) i've had bad experiences with the thinner chicks being pretentous bitches, and it does turn me away quite often. yes, i do pre judge people.

2) i find it easier for something of an attraction to come up between myself and the "chubby" girls. i don't find myself that attractive. excuse my lack of confidence.

3) quite a few people i know don't. why should i keep myself from a potentially great person purely on a physical basis?

Probably as far as I'd go.
http://tinyurl.com/2vynp8

I think you look pretty good. I'd hit it! I wish you'd post a full body pic though.

007-GoldenShower: Dude, your porn star looks like a retard. I'm sorry, but she does.

Pardon me, I'm not trying to be a creep, but I would have sex with you based on this picture (I hope you take that as a compliment). But like stated befor, I wouldn't go with a girl much bigger than you are in this pic.

Yes, but saying that you are "curvy" is implying that you have the necessary amount of fat to look like a woman, which is at odds with the metrosexual ideal of a female that looks like a little boy and whos ribs you could play like a xylophone. But still, if you look like a woman is supposed to, some brainwashed media cunt is going to consider you fat. Just not a real man that would actually find you attractive. Note that a real man wouldn't call you or consider you fat. So my point is still valid.

just because youve got a fat fetish doesnt mean your sexual preference determines what a woman "should" look like or if a man is a "real" man or not based on his sexual preference. go fuck your broad shouldered, wide hipped slut if thats what gets your dick up, but dont for one second think that makes you are a real man.

Good to hear you have been getting in shape.

just because youve got a fat fetish doesnt mean your sexual preference determines what a woman "should" look like or if a man is a "real" man or not based on his sexual preference. go fuck your broad shouldered, wide hipped slut if thats what gets your dick up, but dont for one second think that makes you are a real man.

Actually, skinny "popular" girls are generally pretentious uptight bitches. If you haven't noticed this, you probably haven't had much experience with women.

Ah yes, you are just so right. How silly of me to consider it attractive when a woman's love handles don't muffin top out of her jeans, and whose gut doesn't jiggle whenever she laughs. I guess I'm just not a real man.

When did I say anything about women like that being attractive? Did you gather that from my post? What you described is just a fat bitch, one not even I would fuck.

But if you think that the average bitch in Hollywood is what a woman should look like, you have been brainwashed and need a reality check. Same to you mrman383.

I don't want a fat bitch, nor, like I said, do I want someone who's ribs show through like a god damn greyhound.

Edit: For the record, that picture of Hardly There is a picture of a fat bitch, and I wouldn't fuck that.

Actually, skinny "popular" girls are generally pretentious uptight bitches. If you haven't noticed this, you probably haven't had much experience with women.

find the word 'skinny' or 'popular' in my post. anywhere. keeping looking faggot.

When did I say anything about women like that being attractive? Did you gather that from my post? What you described is just a fat bitch, one not even I would fuck.

But if you think that the average bitch in Hollywood is what a woman should look like, you have been brainwashed and need a reality check. Same to you mrman383.

I don't want a fat bitch, nor, like I said, do I want someone who's ribs show through like a god damn greyhound.

Edit: For the record, that picture of Hardly There is a picture of a fat bitch, and I wouldn't fuck that.

same to me what? where did i say anything about hollywood in my post? christ you people are goddamn retards.

I think you look pretty good. I'd hit it! I wish you'd post a full body pic though.

007-GoldenShower: Dude, your porn star looks like a retard. I'm sorry, but she does.

a) I have seriously doubts she's a porn star
b) The point of the picture is too look at the body size.

/explanation for the noob

You guys are so vague, I'm sure alot of very good opinions are being lost in translation.

My opinion is that the ideal healthy, womanly body shape would look something like this:
http://tinyurl.com/ykmxjm
or this:
http://tinyurl.com/2j9mrb

A chubby, but still attractive figure would look sort of like this:
http://tinyurl.com/326tlt
or:
http://tinyurl.com/35ok6x

And what I think is too skinny and too fat, respectively:
http://tinyurl.com/2txlgm
http://tinyurl.com/nhh5b

Good to hear you have been getting in shape.

Quit being jealous, fat ass.

Perfect! I could not choose any better examples.

Tits stick past the belly is the rule for me while I'm drinking!

As someone who has gotten drunk and had sex with a wide range of drunk college girls, from super skinny (under 100 pounds) to really fat (5'2" over 250, think deadendgirl), I like to consider myself an expert on the subject.

Skinny girls know you want to sleep with them. You work for it. They're usually selfish, and in turn bad, in bed.

Chunky girls know they're chunky. They work for it. Great in bed.

Really, really fat girls are just too gross in bed. However, its a well known fact that the fatter a girl is, the better head she gives.


Brady, you and I have a lot in common. When I was in college the other guys gave me a nickname: "Pigman" in polite company; "Pigfucker" in the dorm.

I figured on sleeping with every girl I dated, so I dated a lot of girls. Some were really hot; most were "average"; some weren't especially attractive; but I made a play for all of 'em, and I got most of 'em. I mean, they wanted sex as much as I did, so I allowed them to do what they wanted with me.

I didn't mind getting razzed; it happened once or twice a quarter. I had a really simple response: I'd ask the razzer if he'd fucked five women in the last month, 'cuz I'd fucked five in the last week.

I wasn't a total slut, but most high-maintenance girls weren't worth the effort, except for one very hot blonde; she had an inferiority complex as big as her tits, and was soooo grateful. I shoulda married her...

Oh, and that thing about fat girls and head? Oh, yeah!! I've never met a girl who wasn't divinely attractive on her knees.

Yeah Chubby in SilverFucks pics is perfectly alright, and even a congratulation may be in order haha.

This is what I consider healthy, and beautiful. I'd rather have that body type than any other.

http://tinyurl.com/2s5ndj

http://tinyurl.com/3ybvzq


This is too thin..

http://tinyurl.com/2mj5g2

http://tinyurl.com/3x8fwx

This would be too fat.

http://tinyurl.com/3938pa

http://tinyurl.com/3872t9



I don't see why any guy would like a girl that looks like a stick. Real women don't look like that.

Oh my god, this is fucking ridiculous. So you're saying that the "ideal" womanly shape is either that of super model or that of a scrawny bitch with large implants?

If you're a girl: Good luck trying to maintain a body like that.
If you're a guy: Get ready for some slim pickins.

Oh my god, this is fucking ridiculous. So you're saying that the "ideal" womanly shape is either that of super model or that of a scrawny bitch with large implants?

If you're a girl: Good luck trying to maintain a body like that.
If you're a guy: Get ready for some slim pickins.

Most guys seem to be ridiculous in that sense. Personally, I think the ones that like sticks should go find some boys instead.

Most guys seem to be ridiculous in that sense. Personally, I think the ones that like sticks should go find some boys instead.

I'd like to think that most men don't have such high standards. But alot of the young ones do, and they don't even realise that they're just giving in to all the bullshit that the media is constantly shoving down our throats. It makes me sad. :(

There is no way you can define a "healthy" body as one specific type or appearance. The healthy body comes in a huge range of types and sizes. So if you like the hollywood ideal, fine, whatever, to each his own. Just don't say that you like it because it's "healthy." That's just stupid.

Edit - Just thought I'd say that I'm not ranting at you Khepri, I'm just ranting in general, lol.

Oh my god, this is fucking ridiculous. So you're saying that the "ideal" womanly shape is either that of super model or that of a scrawny bitch with large implants? I have to agree, and not just out of a desire to bump uglies with Sicky.

If you can count more than two ribs, that's not hawt.

Except on Nicole Richie.

Oh my god, this is fucking ridiculous. So you're saying that the "ideal" womanly shape is either that of super model or that of a scrawny bitch with large implants?

If you're a girl: Good luck trying to maintain a body like that.
If you're a guy: Get ready for some slim pickins.

whats so hard to understand about the word ideal? is your ideal car 'anything that gets me from point A to point B' or is it something more? furthermore he qualified his ideal with "something like" meaning his ideal subset of women dont necessarily need to be exactly as pictured but similar in frame and body composition.

if youre a girl: youd be surprised at what it actually takes to maintain that kind of body. most women are either too ignorant or proud to educate themselves on and then execute proper diet and exercise regimes for their goals. it seems that almost all fall into one of two categories: no plan, eat whatever, exercise almost never or: starve themselves and/or long bouts of low intensity cardio. how many women do you know who eat frequent small meals that are a good balance of protein/carbs/fat and use high intensity resistance training on a regular basis with lesser amounts of high intensity interval training mixed in?

I agree with Khepri's and silverfuck's pictures; those were perfect examples. And I've seen some of Kate's pictures before she took them down, no one's complaining because there's nothing to complain about ;)

(Not directed at anyone in particular, even though it might seem that way. It's just something I was expecting I might feel the need to explain. Sick_Boy, I know that you mentioned it, but not directed at anyone in particular, but I feel that since you mentioned it, it's probably a fair bet that other people were at least thinking it...)

In regards to my high standards: When I was in high school (and shortly after as well), I was your typical overly nice guy, with no backbone, always being taken advantage of by a girl that I might be into. It was the nice ones that would at least reject me from the beginning, rather than lead me on for as long as they possibly could. And I always had to hear such bullshit justifications like "nice guys are actually assholes in sheeps clothing, they are the worse kind because they are more devious and sly about it... they're only seeking validation" BLAH BLAH BLAH.

And yet, I always felt bad for the unattractive chicks that were into me that I wasn't exactly into. Until I realized that most chicks are just as shallow, but in a different way. They just hide it better. Either that, or their reasonings are universally justified so well that nobody even notices how cruelly shallow they are.

So since women are just as picky as guys are, if not worse, why should I feel even a shred of shame or guilt for being the same way?

Not only that, but I used to be fat too. Yeah, I was the token fat kid in class. So I know this from BOTH sides of the fences...

Like I said before, I stay in shape for myself first and foremost, and that's what should be important to ANYONE, either female or male. If you take care of yourself, naturally, you will look better.

I don't need a girl that looks EXACTLY like in any of the afore mentioned pics. That is just basically the ideal. Just like I'm sure all you women have an exact ideal that you would love to be with, but does that usually come true for you? No.

So, in most cases, logically, the less you look like (or behave like) a person's ideal, the less you appear to be like that person's ideal. So naturally, you will be seen as less attractive. But it's on a sliding scale. As long as you're close.

But of course, don't feel you have to compromise yourself to fit my ideal (or anyone's for that matter). It's up to you. As evidenced in this thread, there will always be someone who will be into your type.

But at least stay in good health for your own sake. In this last paragraph, I'm not talking at all about how you look. But generally, if you are quite a bit over weight, then you can usually benefit from a healthier diet and some exercise. The last thing we need is everyone thinking that being unhealthily fat is okay and finding more ways to justify being so.

whats so hard to understand about the word ideal? is your ideal car 'anything that gets me from point A to point B' or is it something more? furthermore he qualified his ideal with "something like" meaning his ideal subset of women dont necessarily need to be exactly as pictured but similar in frame and body composition.

if youre a girl: youd be surprised at what it actually takes to maintain that kind of body. most women are either too ignorant or proud to educate themselves on and then execute proper diet and exercise regimes for their goals. it seems that almost all fall into one of two categories: no plan, eat whatever, exercise almost never or: starve themselves and/or long bouts of low intensity cardio. how many women do you know who eat frequent small meals that are a good balance of protein/carbs/fat and use high intensity resistance training on a regular basis with lesser amounts of high intensity interval training mixed in?

I obviously understand what the word "ideal" means. What made me angry was the fact that they used the word "healthy" along with it. Which is why I further clarified my point in my second post.

And yes, I am a girl, and yes I understand the amount of work that goes into a body like that (well, unless you're unusually genetically gifted). That's why I said "good luck trying to maintain a body like that" in my first post.

What made me angry was the fact that they used the word "healthy" along with it.


What are you talking about? All the healthy girls get implants nowadays, didn't you know?

^^^Oh I'm sorry, my mistake...lol

Just another point I should probably raise: I don't even consider myself to be even close my ideal body size/shape/strength for males.

I guess I just hold everyone to high standards...

I'm not begging for attention and it was really hard for me to post a picture of my self, but I've had body image issues since I was 10.

I'm 5 foot 7 and about 130 pounds, would this be considered normal ?
Im not muscular and I think I have really flabby muscle tone, I'm "soft"
A guy posted some links with pics of what he thought was normal and it was goddamn victoras secret supermodels or something. Stuff like that freaks me out.
Is that how I'm supposed to look? Is it bad that I have some extra fat on my ass and hips. I guess 130 pounds isn't a lot but I think i carry it very badly. I just want to know what catergory you think I fall under. I'd say medium-chubby and I dont think anyone can persuade me otherwise. I want to lose 10 pounds and I think i'd be happy then.


http://images.nexopia.com/userpics/565/565181/17454950.jpg
I am on the right in this picture

Nice hairdo...there's nothing wrong with you.

^ I was going to tell you it was a bad idea to ask in a thread like this for feedback on your body, but I looked at the picture and can say that you look fine. And if there was nothing nice I could say, I would have just not said anything. It's a pretty small picture though, so I can't say much more than that you look okay, and shouldn't consider yourself to be overweight or anything since that obviously isn't the case.

My gfs what I would call chubby...and personally I prefer it, I like my girls to have some meat on them rather than just being a sack of bones *shudders*

I would post a pic of her but I dislike the thought of thirteen year olds and 50-year-old pedos getting off over her... so no pics :( sorry guys (and girls)

I like my girls to have some meat on them rather than just being a sack of bones

Why is it that it's always either "chubby" or "sack of bones"? Everyone in this thread is saying that...

Are you saying there is nothing in between? There has to be a point where you draw a line.

It's not like some chubby girl loses 1 pound and you go "DAMN GIRL YOUS A SKINNY BITCH! I CAN SEE YA BONES!!"

I'd say you're rather skinny actaully. 130 at 5'7" is actually classified as under-weight.

130 at 5'7" is actually classified as under-weight.

According to what exactly?

I obviously understand what the word "ideal" means. What made me angry was the fact that they used the word "healthy" along with it. Which is why I further clarified my point in my second post.

And yes, I am a girl, and yes I understand the amount of work that goes into a body like that (well, unless you're unusually genetically gifted). That's why I said "good luck trying to maintain a body like that" in my first post.

so those examples were of unhealthy women? they looked to be in fine health if you ask me. i believe his distinction was that the emaciated look from eating disorders, while it will make a girl thin, will also make her look unhealthy and thus not ideal.

and no, you dont understand the amount of work required. what i stated is a great way to achieve a higher ratio of muscle to fat. is spending 45 minutes 3x a week lifting and 15 minutes 2-3x a week really that difficult? were talking 3 or less hours a week working out and after a few weeks its pretty easy to maintain the eating patterns i mentioned. yes it will require effort and a good deal of dedication, but its something most young women could certainly do. the reason they dont do that is all in their heads. science be damned, eating less = pretty and lifting heavy weights = muscle bound she hulk.

lifting heavy weights = muscle bound she hulk.

God damn, I know what you mean. Most women are fucking retarded in regards to weightlifting, thinking they are going to turn into one of those beastly women bodybuilders they see in the magazines with the 4 inch clit.

Sorry ladies, but it just doesn't work that way. For the majority of men putting on muscle is no walk in the park, and men produce between 5-10 miligrams of testosterone a day. Women only produce about 1/10 of a milligram.

The women in professional bodybuilding are in the top 1% of women genetically predisposed to gaining shit loads of muscle. I've never met a woman who could come close to that(except at the gym).

The women in professional bodybuilding are in the top 1% of women genetically predisposed to gaining shit loads of muscle.

they are also way more dedicated than the simple routine i advocated. they are taking every supplement (legal and otherwise) they can get their hands on, have diets designed to put on muscle mass that a normal person would not be eating and they are spending dozens of hours a week in the gym. also the majority of those body builder women are on steroids/performance enhancing drugs. you dont lift for a couple months and turn into a bodybuilder 'freak'. how any rational person can think so is beyond me...

i think the reason weight lifting is commonly dismissed by women is 80% ignorance and 20% concealing the fact that they dont actually want to have to work hard.

Why is it that it's always either "chubby" or "sack of bones"? Everyone in this thread is saying that...

Are you saying there is nothing in between?

yes, yes i am :)

Quit being jealous, fat ass.

Jealous? Who the fuck are you again? Another dipshit amongst the hundreds here at totse? Do me a favor, go take a shit, dump you face in it, swallow the feces and remember, YOU DON'T FUCKING MATTER!

So you are upset that murderers killed your family and got away with it, so why shouldn't you be able to commit murders and get away with it too?

Lol, dude you are sad. Stop trying to justify your bullshit ideals for how women should or shouldn't look. You are never going to be happy no matter how many supposedly "attractive" women you fuck.

Why? Seems like you have a void in your emotional sphere and until you plug it, you are just leaking insecurity my man.

Fucking get over it, only people here who are going to hold your hand and tell you its alright are the ones who just got done jacking off. What does that mean? They are horny internet perverts who really don't give a shit about you, and if they met you even after talking to you for a year would probably still think of you as just a fleshy hole to put their dicks in.

Stop trying to please other people, it will never make you happy. Don't try to look an "ideal" way. Are you healthy? Who the fuck knows, only you know if you are healthy or not, we don't fucking live with you.

for some reason in the back of my mind I say troll.
your within healthy range, an you look fine.
Don't be so hard on yourself,seriously.

If you feel that self conscious just work out an turn the fat to muscle or something, you don't need to lose ten pound.

Fat chicks are like mopeds.



They're fun to ride, but you don't want your friends to know...

Are you this witty and clever in real life, too?

So fat chicks are a lot like posting in this thread?

for some reason in the back of my mind I say troll.
your within healthy range, an you look fine.
Don't be so hard on yourself,seriously.

If you feel that self conscious just work out an turn the fat to muscle or something, you don't need to lose ten pound.If my thoughts are so ridiculous that people think I'm a troll then god damn I really need to change. I have a gym pass but I find it really hard to get into a routine, I have 2 jobs and in my free time I'd rather be at the beach

So you are upset that murderers killed your family and got away with you, so why shouldn't you be able to commit murders and get away with it too?

No, it's not like that at all. I'm sure you have things you look for in a girl that you'd rather not compromise. Everyone does. Who fucking cares if you don't want to date fat chicks, skinny chicks, nice guys, assholes, whatever.

Most personality traits are as easy to change as most physical traits.

It's not like I started being more selective when I noticed that everyone else is. I just stopped lying to myself. I realized that there's absolutely nothing wrong with only dating people you're attracted to.

I mean, how the fuck do you expect a relationship to progress anywhere if you aren't attracted to the person you're with? That sounds like a waste for BOTH people's time.

Why? Seems like you have a void in your emotional sphere and until you plug it, you are just leaking insecurity my man.

Ok then, instead of trying to deny that I'm insecure here, which is probably what you were expecting me to do, I'll roll with it. If I am insecure, then what can I do about it? What am I supposed to do to fix that?

If you can't give me any suggestions, then don't come into threads patronizing me. If you do have some suggestions, then lay them on me as I'm more than willing to take them into consideration.

If, on the other hand, there is nothing I can do (realistically) to fix this, then maybe being 'insecure', as you call it, is just an extension of my personality. Meaning, it's not my fault, and I don't have any responsibility towards doing anything about it. In which case, I will continue exactly as things have always been.

If my thoughts are so ridiculous that people think I'm a troll then god damn I really need to change. I have a gym pass but I find it really hard to get into a routine, I have 2 jobs and in my free time I'd rather be at the beach

No,thats the problem you don't need to change. The post seems trollish, because its hard to believe a person like you would think you need to lose weight, when your more likely lighter than most girls.

No, it's not like that at all. I'm sure you have things you look for in a girl that you'd rather not compromise. Everyone does. Who fucking cares if you don't want to date fat chicks, skinny chicks, nice guys, assholes, whatever.

Most personality traits are as easy to change as most physical traits.

It's not like I started being more selective when I noticed that everyone else is. I just stopped lying to myself. I realized that there's absolutely nothing wrong with only dating people you're attracted to.

I mean, how the fuck do you expect a relationship to progress anywhere if you aren't attracted to the person you're with? That sounds like a waste for BOTH people's time.

True you make a valid point that you shouldn't date people you find unattractive. However, who the fuck does that? Funny story then that might be relevant, me and a friend were drinking last night and he tells me the story of how his Grandfather and Grandmother met.

It was a blind date that her friend had set her up on. His Grandfather was a good football and baseball player and she said he was a nice guy. Grandmother agreed, and her first impression of him was that he was the ugliest guy she had ever seen. She gave it a chance though, and realized that this man was going to be her husband.

So to me, it seems as though you only came to this revelation about looks after the fact of how everyone else chooses their partner. Those people aren't happy man. Don't buy into that bullshit, it is fine to date someone attractive but why would look down on someone who can find enjoyment in someone's soul instead of their physical body?

Ok then, instead of trying to deny that I'm insecure here, which is probably what you were expecting me to do, I'll roll with it. If I am insecure, then what can I do about it? What am I supposed to do to fix that?

If you can't give me any suggestions, then don't come into threads patronizing me. If you do have some suggestions, then lay them on me as I'm more than willing to take them into consideration.

If, on the other hand, there is nothing I can do (realistically) to fix this, then maybe being 'insecure', as you call it, is just an extension of my personality. Meaning, it's not my fault, and I don't have any responsibility towards doing anything about it. In which case, I will continue exactly as things have always been.

Lol, I don't know you man. How could I honestly give advice about your insecurities? Are you willing to open up all your secrets to me? Dark or light?

You wouldn't, and that is the type of information that is needed to help someone who is insecure about themselves. There needs to be a trust factor there. Not many people are trusting over the internet. Then to say that insecurity is an extension of personality and you have no responsibility towards it?

I suggest you do some soul searching, you don't seem like a very happy person. So how can you expect to be happy with someone else? Your insecurity and how you should cure it? Only you can answer that question.

So to me, it seems as though you only came to this revelation about looks after the fact of how everyone else chooses their partner. Those people aren't happy man. Don't buy into that bullshit, it is fine to date someone attractive but why would look down on someone who can find enjoyment in someone's soul instead of their physical body?

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything negative about people who are truly able to see others for who they really are. In fact, I commend those people for having that ability. Maybe my life would be just that much more complete if I could do that. But at this point in my life, I can't. And since I can't make any immediate changes to that aspect of myself, I'm not going to feel bad or like I'm doing something wrong, since that would be an unnecessarily negative outlook on life. Why make things worse than they are by feeling sorry for myself?

I suggest you do some soul searching, you don't seem like a very happy person. So how can you expect to be happy with someone else? Your insecurity and how you should cure it? Only you can answer that question.

Oh man, I can confidently state that you are very mistaken about that. I am in fact quite happy. Not only do I exude happiness publicly on a regular basis, but I would describe my average mood to be quite happy as well (and so would most people who know me).

If I ever come off as seeming unhappy it may just be because I was in a particularly bad mood when I came to Totse. Like you said, this is the internet, so neither of us get the full spectrum of each others' personalities and moods.

Maybe I do have some underlying insecurities, but I must have buried them so deep, or at least shifted them out of the way, that they don't really bother me that much anymore. They might come out at certain times, but they don't affect my mood or behavior enough to be that noticeable.

I just think that this thread (and probably a lot of others) has given you an inaccurate impression of me.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything negative about people who are truly able to see others for who they really are. In fact, I commend those people for having that ability. Maybe my life would be just that much more complete if I could do that. But at this point in my life, I can't. And since I can't make any immediate changes to that aspect of myself, I'm not going to feel bad or like I'm doing something wrong, since that would be an unnecessarily negative outlook on life. Why make things worse than they are by feeling sorry for myself?

This is the worst cop out in the history of totse. You can't? You can't change? It isn't an ability to see people for who they are, it becomes possible when you remove the negativity from your mind and actually see things for what they are instead of some image conforming to the "ideal".

Oh man, I can confidently state that you are very mistaken about that. I am in fact quite happy. Not only do I exude happiness publicly on a regular basis, but I would describe my average mood to be quite happy as well (and so would most people who know me).

If I ever come off as seeming unhappy it may just be because I was in a particularly bad mood when I came to Totse. Like you said, this is the internet, so neither of us get the full spectrum of each others' personalities and moods.

Maybe I do have some underlying insecurities, but I must have buried them so deep, or at least shifted them out of the way, that they don't really bother me that much anymore. They might come out at certain times, but they don't affect my mood or behavior enough to be that noticeable.

I just think that this thread (and probably a lot of others) has given you an inaccurate impression of me.

I don't think it is inaccurate. Saying that someone has insecurities most likely applies to 99% of everyone on this planet. Am I going to say I don't have insecurities? No, I'm not. So for you to say that you've buried yours deep, and that you are the happiest person alive is even more troubling to me. Red flag after red flag is what you are sending up.

Deny all you want, talk around the issue, but in 20 years we'll meet up and we can verify if each other's claims are true.