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2007-07-04, 17:08
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Banning ammo by the back door !!
From the NRA/ILA site
Proposed “Safety” Regulations Would Dry Up Ammunition Sales
Tuesday, July 03, 2007
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has proposed new rules that would have a dramatic effect on the storage and transportation of ammunition and handloading components such as primers or black and smokeless powder. The proposed rule indiscriminately treats ammunition, powder and primers as “explosives.” Among many other provisions, the proposed rule would:
* Prohibit possession of firearms in commercial “facilities containing explosives”—an obvious problem for your local gun store.
* Prohibit delivery drivers from leaving explosives unattended—which would make it impossible for delivery services such as UPS to deliver ammunition or gun powder.
* Require evacuation of all “facilities containing explosives”—even your local Wal-Mart—during any electrical storm.
* Prohibit smoking within 50 feet of “facilities containing explosives.”
It’s important to remember this is only a proposed rule right now, so there’s still time for concerned citizens to speak out before OSHA issues its final rule. The National Rifle Association, National Shooting Sports Foundation, and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Association will all be commenting on these proposed regulations, based on the severe effect these regulations (if finalized) would have on the availability of ammunition and reloading supplies to safe and responsible shooters.
The public comment period ends July 12. To file your own comment, or to learn more about the OSHA proposal, go to http://www.regulations.gov and search for Docket Number OSHA-2007-0032”; you can read OSHA’s proposal and learn how to submit comments electronically, or by fax or mail.
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OSHA Docket Office Docket No. OSHA-2007-0032 U.S. Department of Labor, Room N-2625 200 Constitution Ave., N.W. Washington, DC 20210 Re.: Docket No. OSHA-2007-0032 (Explosives—Proposed Rule)
Dear Sir or Madam:
I am writing in strong opposition to OSHA’s proposed rules on “explosives,” which go far beyond regulating true explosives. These proposed rules would impose severe restrictions on the transportation and storage of small arms ammunition—both complete cartridges and handloading components such as black and smokeless powder, primers, and percussion caps. These restrictions go far beyond existing transportation and fire protection regulations.
As a person who uses ammunition and components, I am very concerned that these regulations will have a serious effect on my ability to obtain these products. OSHA’s proposed rules would impose restrictions that very few gun stores, sporting goods stores, or ammunition dealers could comply with. (Prohibiting firearms in stores that sell ammunition, for example, is absurd—but would be required under the proposed rule.)
The proposed transportation regulations would also affect shooters’ ability to buy these components by mail or online, because shipping companies would also have great difficulty complying with the proposed rules. For instance, the rules against leaving any vehicle containing “explosives” unattended would make it impossible for companies such as United Parcel Service to deliver ammunition to businesses or consumers without massive changes in their operations (such as putting a second driver on any truck that might happen to deliver a case of shotgun shells).
There is absolutely no evidence of any new safety hazard from storage or transportation of small arms ammunition or components that would justify these new rules. I also understand that organizations with expertise in this field, such as the National Rifle Association, National Shooting Sports Foundation, and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Association, will be submitting detailed comments on this issue. I hope OSHA will listen to these organizations’ comments as the agency develops a final rule on this issue.
Sincerely,
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3145
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2007-07-04, 19:51
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That one place with those guys
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Re: Banning ammo by the back door !!
That's pretty retarded.
That's the last thing I need, more reasons to increase the price of ammo.
The companies would probably find a way around it, but we should do everything we can to fight this regulation.
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2007-07-04, 19:57
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Acolyte
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Re: Banning ammo by the back door !!
that would never work, then your average joe dosent even have a purpose to own a gun if you can get ammo......so there pretty much not banning guns, but basically banning guns....by making ammo so scarce....
it wont pass, thats bullshit.
BTW, is this a national thing? or for just a state?
trust me, itll never pass
people will just make there own gun powder and bullets, thus making even more dangerous stuff...
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2007-07-04, 20:08
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Wherever I lay my hat
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Re: Banning ammo by the back door !!
Not really necessary. The government is already, in effect, in the process of banning ammunition by starting all these pointless wars that drive the prices up so high... 
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2007-07-04, 20:41
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That one place with those guys
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Re: Banning ammo by the back door !!
Make your own, kids!
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# 6

2007-07-04, 21:01
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Acolyte
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Re: Banning ammo by the back door !!
i just need to comment again, this is a fucking joke!
how the fuck is everyone who's hobby/interest is anything that has to do with firearms supposed to get and transport ammo? you cant under this proposed law.
why not just ban all guns together then, its pretty much the same thing, no bullets=no reason for a gun......
screw that, if that happens, it will be just like the prohibition act in the 1930's or wheat ever, it will epic fail, causing mass illegal manufacturing of bullets and mass distributing, which=mass murder.
see it wont work
weel end up with more bullets then before the ban
i wouldnt worry about it 
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2007-07-04, 22:14
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What sucks is this isn't LAW
This isn't a proposed LAW it is OSHA regulations - they can do pretty much whatever they damn well please without answering to voters.
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2007-07-05, 00:12
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Re: Banning ammo by the back door !!
Quote:
Originally Posted by reggie_love
Make your own, kids!
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Problem is they intend to make it a lot harder to get propellant.
Seems like every possible form of gun control initiative it's possible to take has been popping up in the US lately, from outright "ban them all!!!" bills to sneaky little changes in non-governmental regulations.
Odd, really, seeing as how here there's currently a big pro-gun backlash occurring. Perhaps a lucrative career as a gunrunner is in my future...
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2007-07-05, 03:05
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Somewhere over the rainbow
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Re: Banning ammo by the back door !!
Indeed. I'm very happy with the way things are going for the pro-rights crowd. On the national level, we have had no real losses, and really gave the antis a beatdown on Tiahrt.
On the state level, many AWBs and such have been defeated recently. The only real hassle we face is activist judges, it seems.
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2007-07-05, 17:59
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Re: Banning ammo by the back door !!
Quote:
Originally Posted by hellisforheroes
Problem is they intend to make it a lot harder to get propellant.
Seems like every possible form of gun control initiative it's possible to take has been popping up in the US lately, from outright "ban them all!!!" bills to sneaky little changes in non-governmental regulations.
Odd, really, seeing as how here there's currently a big pro-gun backlash occurring. Perhaps a lucrative career as a gunrunner is in my future...
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What're your prices on M193/855?
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