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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |
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2007-07-01, 02:42
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satanists
any satanists on totse
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2007-07-02, 23:21
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Re: satanists
I personally relate quite a lot of my own system of values to that of LaVeyan satanism, but I don't call myself a satanist, nor would I ever call myself a satanist. Doing so would simply be stupid in my opinion. I don't like to associate myself with any establishment, including the ones who have points I agree on, even if I agree with the majority of which is preached. Like any other religion (if thats what you would like to call it) it is just too damn preachy, something I can't stand for. While I think the Satanic Bible is a good simple read, I don't think it is anything worth being followed religiously. It's nothing more than a philosophical read, with ideas borrowed from Nietzsche & Rand, then simplified to the point that anyone can read and understand it. To be LaVey's satanist is nothing more than to be Nietzche's ubermensch...
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2007-07-03, 00:39
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Re: satanists
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I personally relate quite a lot of my own system of values to that of LaVeyan satanism, but I don't call myself a satanist, nor would I ever call myself a satanist. Doing so would simply be stupid in my opinion. I don't like to associate myself with any establishment, including the ones who have points I agree on, even if I agree with the majority of which is preached. Like any other religion (if thats what you would like to call it) it is just too damn preachy, something I can't stand for. While I think the Satanic Bible is a good simple read, I don't think it is anything worth being followed religiously. It's nothing more than a philosophical read, with ideas borrowed from Nietzsche & Rand, then simplified to the point that anyone can read and understand it. To be LaVey's satanist is nothing more than to be Nietzche's ubermensch...
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i consider myself a satanist even though my beliefs are more a mixture of laveyan and spiritual but it's still neither by definition im also somewhat of a discordian on occaision
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2007-07-03, 06:07
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Re: satanists
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2007-07-03, 06:15
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Re: satanists
being a satanist, doesn't mean you want to go to hell, or that you worship satan. it's just a philosophy that was named that way because it didn't agree with the church.
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2007-07-03, 12:00
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Re: satanists
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Originally Posted by vagabondtramp
being a satanist, doesn't mean you want to go to hell, or that you worship satan. it's just a philosophy that was named that way because it didn't agree with the church.
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Exactly, thus I hardly consider it a religion or practicable faith. A nice little read, but nothing more really. Especially considering that most of the ideas weren't LaVey's in the first place, and are more just a collection of borrowed beliefs rewritten and simplified for easy consumption. You can pretty much take in the entire useful part of the Satanic Bible in a single sitting. It's not a big book, and a lot of pages are filled with useless crap (you can pretty much skip the entire second half of the book in my opinion).
If you want to call yourelf a Satanist, that's fine though. I just think it draws unnecessary negative attention, which I understand as being LaVey's intention, but as far as i can tell serves no beneficial purpose to the individual unless you too crave some sort of attention. Either way, I'd far sooner acknowledge a Satanist than a Christian.
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2007-07-03, 18:52
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Re: satanists
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Originally Posted by phuckedup
Exactly, thus I hardly consider it a religion or practicable faith. A nice little read, but nothing more really. Especially considering that most of the ideas weren't LaVey's in the first place, and are more just a collection of borrowed beliefs rewritten and simplified for easy consumption. You can pretty much take in the entire useful part of the Satanic Bible in a single sitting. It's not a big book, and a lot of pages are filled with useless crap (you can pretty much skip the entire second half of the book in my opinion).
If you want to call yourelf a Satanist, that's fine though. I just think it draws unnecessary negative attention, which I understand as being LaVey's intention, but as far as i can tell serves no beneficial purpose to the individual unless you too crave some sort of attention. Either way, I'd far sooner acknowledge a Satanist than a Christian.
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like you would know if you read my post im not really a laveyan im kindof my own thing. also how can it not be considered a religion because he excluded an imaginary being that took shits on people when they were naughty.
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A.if you knew anything about any of laveys works you would know there is a lot more then philosiphy in his books,
B.you could say i like the negative attention a little but it is for far many more reasons then that
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i also don't believe in hell and if it exists i would rather go there then sit next to some "jesus" person for the rest of eternity
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2007-07-03, 18:58
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Re: satanists
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2007-07-04, 01:42 |
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Re: satanists
I read your post, I got your drift. Please don't do the idiot thing so many fucking satanists do and start lashing out like a fucking moron over nothing. It seriously makes me believe that you're still in highschool, and quite possibly your balls haven't completely dropped yet. I'm not cutting you down any, or stating satanism isn't a viable religion. I'm stating that I don't personally consider it anything more than a simple philosophy. I know plenty of LaVeys works, and I've given satanism a thorough run as far as the study of any religious practice can go. I agree with the vast majority of what is approached in the satanic philosophy, but I'll tell you this much, it does not go very deep. Which some could view as a good thing, and some a bad thing. I don't consider it to be either really. If it is simple enough that anyone can read it and take something away from it, good on LaVey. It is what it is and it's not going to change much. Old Anton simply read some other people's ideas, took the parts he liked from each and slapped them all together to suit his own views and own philosophy, calling it satanism as a way to defy the church. None of his ideas are particularly profound by any means, go read some Nietzsche if you haven't already, and you'll get a much much deeper exploration of these same sort of principals. I'd recommend starting with Twilight of the Idols & The Antichrist...
i also don't believe in hell and if it exists i would rather go there then sit next to some "jesus" person for the rest of eternity
Now I have to cut you down here, I didn't want to, but it must be done, you can whine about this section of my post all you'd like. This statement is just pure stupid dribbling out from your fingertips and I hope you realize that. I don't believe in a heaven or hell either, and I readily and willingly cut down christianity, but if I were to suddenly discover that beyond a shadow of a doubt that heaven and hell WERE real, of course I'd want to goto heaven, as I'm sure you would too. Not that my wants would really matter, as I'd surely be holding one way ticket to the lake of fire. But still, if you're going to theorize that heaven and hell do exist, you'd have to do it based on christianity's definitions assatanism does not ackowledge either, and going by that, only a complete fucking retard would actually choose hell or heaven, give me a break...
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2007-07-04, 16:22 |
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Re: satanists
what i was getting at by the hell over heaven thing was not that i'd rather go to hell over heaven but that sitting next to jesus must be alot like sitting next to a major fundie so it would be it's own kind of hell.
also the reason i like lavey is because he took occult practices which are generaly people confused by what they have found who try to sell off what they know as a spiritual being but lavey took occultism and completely ripped it away from any gods so that it can be practiced freely
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2007-07-05, 00:48 |
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Re: satanists
what i was getting at by the hell over heaven thing was not that i'd rather go to hell over heaven but that sitting next to jesus must be alot like sitting next to a major fundie so it would be it's own kind of hell.
also the reason I like lavey is because he took occult practices which are generally people confused by what they have found who try to sell off what they know as a spiritual being but lavey took occultism and completely ripped it away from any gods so that it can be practiced freely
That's all good. I can respect that and you seem to be fairly sound in your views, but my opinion is that in naming the philosophy Satanism Lavey effectively DID create a spiritual deity to be worshiped, even if by referring to Satan he is not directly referring to any god of sorts. Which is why I tend to prefer Nietzsche's teaching over LaVey's (whose views were in fact highly inspired by Nietzsche's works inthe first place).
I don't know how you go about practicing your version of satanism, or what other views you have, but if they work for you, go with it. You certainly could have picked a much much more misdirected following than this to abide by...
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2007-07-05, 15:18 |
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Re: satanists
That's all good. I can respect that and you seem to be fairly sound in your views, but my opinion is that in naming the philosophy Satanism Lavey effectively DID create a spiritual deity to be worshiped, even if by referring to Satan he is not directly referring to any god of sorts. Which is why I tend to prefer Nietzsche's teaching over LaVey's (whose views were in fact highly inspired by Nietzsche's works inthe first place).
I don't know how you go about practicing your version of satanism, or what other views you have, but if they work for you, go with it. You certainly could have picked a much much more misdirected following than this to abide by...
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2007-07-05, 17:49 |
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thnks... i think
no problem, lol...
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2007-07-05, 19:45 |
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im still confused if thats a compliment or your just saying i could be stupider
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2007-07-05, 20:36 |
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Re: satanists
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im still confused if thats a compliment or your just saying i could be stupider
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It's both I guess. I don't disagree with anything said in Satanism, I just think that the philosophical side of Satanism is limited in comparison to those who LaVey derived many of his views from...
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2007-07-06, 21:33 |
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Re: satanists
Anton LaVey was hedonist, plain and simple. "Satanism" was his ingenious marketing gimmick to attract mindless followers. It goes to show that kewls and 4n4rch1s7s have always been around. LaVey's satanism is as satanic as making a "thermite bomb" is anarchistic. The only credit LaVey deserves is that he was a good speaker and leader.
If you don't worship Satan, why do you call it satanism? If you're an atheist, you should believe that the Devil is as stupid as the boogey man in your closet, and that it would be an embarassment to call your religion/philosophy "satanism". If what you seek are pleasures of the flesh and self-gratification, then you are a hedonist. There have been many hedonistic schools in history - most notably left-hand schools of Tantra, The Cult of Dionysus, and even Grigori Rasputin.
The aim of the Tantrist was to invert the conventional ideology that the body was unclean and a hindrance to spiritual enlightenment. To the Tantrist on the left-hand path, to know one's self is to know the universe. They worship Kali - the destroyer of the ego and one who swallows time. Their practices are specially formulated for the end of days, Kali Yuga. Through eating meat, drinking alcohol, and ritualized sex, among other practices, the Tantrists persued ecstacy and bliss to merge with the divine. The hedonistic cults of antiquity had similar practices. Rasputin subscribed to the theory of "salvation through sin".
By far, the most inane claim is that Satanism is somehow an "occult" movement. The Church of Satan explicitly claims not to believe in a living deity. It is a celebration of the carnal and the mundane. If you don't believe in a higher power, then you will not be able to practice ars magica. Magic is about the supernatural. If you really want to experince the true nature of the Force, whether light, dark, or gray, then look into Tantra, Hoodoo, Luciferianism, Rosicrucianism, Alchemy, or my favorite - Chaldean Magic. No people were as widely known for their aptitude for sorcery as the Mesopotamians. The Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, and even Greeks revered the oracles, sorcerers, astrologers, scribes, alchemists, and priests of Chaldea.
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2007-07-07, 03:35 |
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Anton LaVey was hedonist, plain and simple. "Satanism" was his ingenious marketing gimmick to attract mindless followers. It goes to show that kewls and 4n4rch1s7s have always been around. LaVey's satanism is as satanic as making a "thermite bomb" is anarchistic. The only credit LaVey deserves is that he was a good speaker and leader.
If you don't worship Satan, why do you call it satanism? If you're an atheist, you should believe that the Devil is as stupid as the boogey man in your closet, and that it would be an embarassment to call your religion/philosophy "satanism". If what you seek are pleasures of the flesh and self-gratification, then you are a hedonist. There have been many hedonistic schools in history - most notably left-hand schools of Tantra, The Cult of Dionysus, and even Grigori Rasputin.
The aim of the Tantrist was to invert the conventional ideology that the body was unclean and a hindrance to spiritual enlightenment. To the Tantrist on the left-hand path, to know one's self is to know the universe. They worship Kali - the destroyer of the ego and one who swallows time. Their practices are specially formulated for the end of days, Kali Yuga. Through eating meat, drinking alcohol, and ritualized sex, among other practices, the Tantrists persued ecstacy and bliss to merge with the divine. The hedonistic cults of antiquity had similar practices. Rasputin subscribed to the theory of "salvation through sin".
By far, the most inane claim is that Satanism is somehow an "occult" movement. The Church of Satan explicitly claims not to believe in a living deity. It is a celebration of the carnal and the mundane. If you don't believe in a higher power, then you will not be able to practice ars magica. Magic is about the supernatural. If you really want to experince the true nature of the Force, whether light, dark, or gray, then look into Tantra, Hoodoo, Luciferianism, Rosicrucianism, Alchemy, or my favorite - Chaldean Magic. No people were as widely known for their aptitude for sorcery as the Mesopotamians. The Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, and even Greeks revered the oracles, sorcerers, astrologers, scribes, alchemists, and priests of Chaldea.
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first off i also don't think laveyan satanism is an occult movement i just call myself a satanist because when i argue with christians about it it's just simpler to tell them that so they leave me alone. though i ussually like religious arguements i hate when it boils down to the inevitable question "could you turn me into teh frog????"
i didn't want to get into the spesifics but i said in the begining im not a laveyan i just like a few of his ideas. if it will actualy help im actualy a discordian/chaoist + a little nordic mytholigy thrown on top for a little flavoring... i dont know if you understand what any of that means but it should help. |
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2007-07-07, 05:23 |
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Re: satanists
first off i also don't think laveyan satanism is an occult movement i just call myself a satanist because when i argue with christians about it it's just simpler to tell them that so they leave me alone. though i ussually like religious arguements i hate when it boils down to the inevitable question "could you turn me into teh frog????"
i didn't want to get into the spesifics but i said in the begining im not a laveyan i just like a few of his ideas. if it will actualy help im actualy a discordian/chaoist + a little nordic mytholigy thrown on top for a little flavoring... i dont know if you understand what any of that means but it should help.
I know a bit about Nordic Mythology and Chaos Magic, and I just read the wiki on discordianism. Of course, I must agree with certain principles of LaVey's, but I consider myself a far cry from a Satanists. Here a few of his ideas I do like:
Not harming children
Personal responsibility
Stupidity as a sin (even though everyone is guilty - hence, we're all sinners, just varying in degree)
No unwarranted sexual advances
No animal sacrifice
Courtesy to those who deserve it
We're seperate, but not equal
Seriously, if you like chaos, I highly recommend you look into Hindu Tantra. It just makes so much sense. In Tantra, chaos is the nature of the universe. Time is illusory, and the distinction between spirit and matter, God and man, static and dynamic are merely a matter of perspective - not constants.
I just finished a book called Tantra: The Path of Ecstacy by Georg Feuerstein. Best book I've read since Way of the Peaceful Warrior. I learned a lot from it. As above, so below/ as within, so without are ancient Tantric principles. And believe me, the meditation skills of tantric adepts are unparalelled. Even other Yogis fear their magic. I wouldn't want to mess with anyone who meditates in a cemetary clothed only in the ashes from a funeral pyre. Get that book, man. You will be so glad you did. tantra is the most logical religion of all. It's not even as evil as you might think, but that doesn't mean it's weak. They don't advocate cruelty and most evil behavior because it's counter-productive. They'd rather spend their time perfecting themselves and enjoying life than going around terrorizing people. By far the best thing about Tantra - siddhis - supernatural powers and the possibility of becoming a bodhisattva, which means reincarnation as an immortal saviour of mankind like Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha or Jesus. And BTW, Jesus was not a loser, he was a great spiritual adept - a mahasiddhi of great power who could heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and perform many miraculous feats. He was the real Morning Star, the light bearer, an incarnation of the Divine. Read the wiki on the gnostic gospel of Thomas. Jesus says...
"I am not your teacher, for you have drunk from my mouth and became drunk off of that which is me." (Thomas was a nickname, meaning 'twin' in Aramaic. Jesus wanted everyone to be his equal, not his servant.)
He also told people to shed their clothes and stamp on them like little children. He didn't want us to be vain or self-conscious, unlike the teachings of all modern churches.
When asked where they could find holiness, he said "split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up a rock, and I am there." (Wow. Jesus says that the Earth is holy too. It's not just the Pagans who revere nature.)
Check out the wiki for more cool stuff the church doesn't want you to know about Jesus' mystical teachings. Union with Christ should be the aim of jesus's followers. I think the prophecies were misinterpreted when they called Jesus the Jewish Messiah. He was, but not in the way people now think. Messiah is a rendition of Aramaic "msheehah", meaning "anointed one". Christ is a rendition of Greek "christos", which means exactly the same thing. This is a reference to his anointment with myrrh by the Magi. They used their astrology to locate their newborn king and anointed him as such.
A strange coincidence that Zoroastrian and Babylonian priests would predict the birth of Joshua of the line of David just as Ezekiel had almost six hundred years before. Trust me, back then the Magi (from which we derive the word "magic") were basically psychic. It just annoys me when people claim to know the real story of Jesus. I believe he was a saviour, and I believe he will come again in one form or another. I think a whole lot about him has been fictionalized, though. Basically, he offered hope and a way to eternal life. He said the body is a temple of the Lord, which means that the Lord dwells within each of us. He wanted us to realize our own divinity. He didn't want us to be a bunch of conformist pansies, either.
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2007-07-08, 01:13 |
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Re: satanists
I know a bit about Nordic Mythology and Chaos Magic, and I just read the wiki on discordianism. Of course, I must agree with certain principles of LaVey's, but I consider myself a far cry from a Satanists. Here a few of his ideas I do like:
Not harming children
Personal responsibility
Stupidity as a sin (even though everyone is guilty - hence, we're all sinners, just varying in degree)
No unwarranted sexual advances
No animal sacrifice
Courtesy to those who deserve it
We're seperate, but not equal
Seriously, if you like chaos, I highly recommend you look into Hindu Tantra. It just makes so much sense. In Tantra, chaos is the nature of the universe. Time is illusory, and the distinction between spirit and matter, God and man, static and dynamic are merely a matter of perspective - not constants.
I just finished a book called Tantra: The Path of Ecstacy by Georg Feuerstein. Best book I've read since Way of the Peaceful Warrior. I learned a lot from it. As above, so below/ as within, so without are ancient Tantric principles. And believe me, the meditation skills of tantric adepts are unparalelled. Even other Yogis fear their magic. I wouldn't want to mess with anyone who meditates in a cemetary clothed only in the ashes from a funeral pyre. Get that book, man. You will be so glad you did. tantra is the most logical religion of all. It's not even as evil as you might think, but that doesn't mean it's weak. They don't advocate cruelty and most evil behavior because it's counter-productive. They'd rather spend their time perfecting themselves and enjoying life than going around terrorizing people. By far the best thing about Tantra - siddhis - supernatural powers and the possibility of becoming a bodhisattva, which means reincarnation as an immortal saviour of mankind like Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha or Jesus. And BTW, Jesus was not a loser, he was a great spiritual adept - a mahasiddhi of great power who could heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and perform many miraculous feats. He was the real Morning Star, the light bearer, an incarnation of the Divine. Read the wiki on the gnostic gospel of Thomas. Jesus says...
"I am not your teacher, for you have drunk from my mouth and became drunk off of that which is me." (Thomas was a nickname, meaning 'twin' in Aramaic. Jesus wanted everyone to be his equal, not his servant.)
He also told people to shed their clothes and stamp on them like little children. He didn't want us to be vain or self-conscious, unlike the teachings of all modern churches.
When asked where they could find holiness, he said "split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up a rock, and I am there." (Wow. Jesus says that the Earth is holy too. It's not just the Pagans who revere nature.)
Check out the wiki for more cool stuff the church doesn't want you to know about Jesus' mystical teachings. Union with Christ should be the aim of jesus's followers. I think the prophecies were misinterpreted when they called Jesus the Jewish Messiah. He was, but not in the way people now think. Messiah is a rendition of Aramaic "msheehah", meaning "anointed one". Christ is a rendition of Greek "christos", which means exactly the same thing. This is a reference to his anointment with myrrh by the Magi. They used their astrology to locate their newborn king and anointed him as such.
A strange coincidence that Zoroastrian and Babylonian priests would predict the birth of Joshua of the line of David just as Ezekiel had almost six hundred years before. Trust me, back then the Magi (from which we derive the word "magic") were basically psychic. It just annoys me when people claim to know the real story of Jesus. I believe he was a saviour, and I believe he will come again in one form or another. I think a whole lot about him has been fictionalized, though. Basically, he offered hope and a way to eternal life. He said the body is a temple of the Lord, which means that the Lord dwells within each of us. He wanted us to realize our own divinity. He didn't want us to be a bunch of conformist pansies, either.
if what you said about jesus was true then he was a cool guy but i mostly dislike christianity because of how it is nolonger a belief but a multinational corporation feeding off of the people who believe their lies. but many satanist sects are just like that and have as much corruption as christianity (one of the reasons i stopped being a satanist)...
and the tantra is right about chaos because nothing is forevor even time itself will stop chaos is the only constant in the universe but time wont be ignored by people ever because people think of things as being stable only because life has been here so long but in all reality its less then a blink of the eye
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2007-07-08, 03:46
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Re: satanists
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Originally Posted by vagabondtramp
being a satanist, doesn't mean you want to go to hell, or that you worship satan. it's just a philosophy that was named that way because it didn't agree with the church.
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You sure are guilabe!
Obviously satan is going to lie to you.
Satanists think there is no God, but in reality they are pissing God off and dooming themselves to an eternity in hell.
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2007-07-08, 17:13
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You sure are guilabe!
Obviously satan is going to lie to you.
Satanists think there is no God, but in reality they are pissing God off and dooming themselves to an eternity in hell.
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please read the entire thread then post...
or if your someone who would still say that then please kill yourself because there are way too many of you little fuckers
and no i don't worship satan and i don't pretend to like laveyans do
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2007-07-08, 19:33
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Originally Posted by Rolloffle
You sure are guilabe!
Obviously satan is going to lie to you.
Satanists think there is no God, but in reality they are pissing God off and dooming themselves to an eternity in hell.
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Do you do standup? By this logic you don't even have to worship Satan to piss off God, lol. There's a whole lot of people who don't believe in the Christian God, he must be one pissed off dude...
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2007-07-08, 20:07 |
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Do you do standup? By this logic you don't even have to worship Satan to piss off God, lol. There's a whole lot of people who don't believe in the Christian God, he must be one pissed off dude...
i think that guy has issues because he's posted a bunch of stuff like this in a few other threads
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2007-07-17, 02:16 |
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When I read the bible I dont see god as a loving father he comes across as more of a stalin type figure. He says we have free will but saying follow me or burn in hell isnt what I call free will. So if satan is his antithesis I follow him. He represents independance and everything it means to be a human. He also liberated us when he convinced Adam and Eve to eat the apple in the garden of eden because if he hadnt we would all still be sheep. He gave us knowledge and is thr reason we can even hyave this discussion. That said I cant stand the pimply faced du mbasses who claim to be a satanist just to rebel and end up changing as they get older. Hes also the prince of this world even god says that so who would it be logical to follow? And when god says he will lose in the end you have to consider the source on that one I mean if your going to get into a fight or battle of course your going to say youll be the winner in the end. So thats why Im a satanist. I dont expect to convert you because a Satanist is born not made but thats my reasoning behind it.
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2007-07-18, 21:38 |
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When I read the bible I dont see god as a loving father he comes across as more of a stalin type figure. He says we have free will but saying follow me or burn in hell isnt what I call free will. So if satan is his antithesis I follow him. He represents independance and everything it means to be a human. He also liberated us when he convinced Adam and Eve to eat the apple in the garden of eden because if he hadnt we would all still be sheep. He gave us knowledge and is thr reason we can even hyave this discussion. That said I cant stand the pimply faced du mbasses who claim to be a satanist just to rebel and end up changing as they get older. Hes also the prince of this world even god says that so who would it be logical to follow? And when god says he will lose in the end you have to consider the source on that one I mean if your going to get into a fight or battle of course your going to say youll be the winner in the end. So thats why Im a satanist. I dont expect to convert you because a Satanist is born not made but thats my reasoning behind it.
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*claps Hands* also i forget where but there was a website that tallyed out the number of people the bible said satan killed and the people god killed in the end it was something close to this God:2,000,000 something close Satan:10 the sons and daughters of job where the only people according to the bible that satan killed, and satan killed them in a bet with god |
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2007-07-20, 01:42 |
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Christianity has killed more people than any other ideology in history yet thats a supposedly great religion and satanism is evil. It just shows how Christians have turned hypocrisy into an artform.
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2007-07-20, 01:54 |
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I do not come here often, but try to respond to as many threads about Satanism as possible. Fortunately though I've made a text file on Satanism, which I actually just posted[and submitted] give it a read. It basically outlines my views on Satanism, and skims the views others may have.
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2007-07-20, 03:23 |
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http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/005627.html tjats a website that has the number god killed compared to satan.
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2007-07-22, 03:37 |
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LaVeyan satanists use the image to attract open minded individuals that think outside of the box, while scaring off the sheep. Essentially it should be called Humanism, but that would attract people that dont need to be involved in it. I like a lot of LaVey's ideas, I live by most of them, but I dont label myself as such.
If you read my thread "problems with christianity" I just posted why I dont like Christianity.
Im not sure what I'd allign myself with, but Im looking into Odinist Asatru, any sites with info on it would be appreciated (this is also in the thread).
..................ilikedots.....
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2007-07-23, 03:38 |
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LaVeyan satanists use the image to attract open minded individuals that think outside of the box, while scaring off the sheep. Essentially it should be called Humanism, but that would attract people that dont need to be involved in it. I like a lot of LaVey's ideas, I live by most of them, but I dont label myself as such.
If you read my thread "problems with christianity" I just posted why I dont like Christianity.
Im not sure what I'd allign myself with, but Im looking into Odinist Asatru, any sites with info on it would be appreciated (this is also in the thread).
..................ilikedots.....
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i like how you posted exactly what lavey said in the satanic bible as your own idea. and i would discourage odinism because though most people think its "cool" because its what the viking did other than the few philosiphies it gives its pretty outdated |
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2007-07-27, 22:42 |
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Yea I know it was pretty much exactly what he said but oh well....ok yea some stuff on it...I dont like vikings much really... is there any religion besides satanism that doesnt look down upon people that exact revenge when its due?
...ilikedots......
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2007-07-28, 02:25 |
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umm. atheism?
but you shouldnt look for a religion that suites your needs you should just believe what you believe.
and you sound like you would be into discordianism its barely a religion its just a way of life and some philosiphies but you should read "principia discordia" and "apocrypha discordia" they are awesome books that teach free thinking and judgeing things by your own standards and not by logic or illogical thing if that makes sense.
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#33
2007-07-29, 00:43 |
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Laveyan Satanism strikes me as something similar to a scene from "Life of Brian"
Brian: You don't HAVE to follow anyone, you are ALL individuals
Crowd: Yes! We are ALL individuals
Random man: I'm not.
It's conforming to non-conformity. Even calling it "Satanism" is really just appealing to peoples sense of rebellion. It's especially good for people who like to view people as brainwashed, shallow, consumerist sheep, while only thinking of their group as being "the true way".
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2007-07-29, 18:47 |
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Laveyan Satanism strikes me as something similar to a scene from "Life of Brian"
Brian: You don't HAVE to follow anyone, you are ALL individuals
Crowd: Yes! We are ALL individuals
Random man: I'm not.
It's conforming to non-conformity. Even calling it "Satanism" is really just appealing to peoples sense of rebellion. It's especially good for people who like to view people as brainwashed, shallow, consumerist sheep, while only thinking of their group as being "the true way".
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A. i love that movie
B. laveyanism is more individualistic then most because it does not teach right or wrong nor does it teach any beliefs it only tells people to find out what they believe by themselves. so please understand what your talking about then post
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2007-07-29, 19:31 |
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A. i love that movie
B. laveyanism is more individualistic then most because it does not teach right or wrong nor does it teach any beliefs it only tells people to find out what they believe by themselves. so please understand what your talking about then post
C. although pretty untrue you do make a good point
I think you're dogmatic attitude to satanism kinda proves it.
I know a good deal about satanism, and I'm an existentialist too (the ORIGINAL satanism).
I've seen a people attracted to satanism simply because they're dark and such - and so is the image of satanism.
The dark nature of satanism is PRETENSION, it tries to be something it's not - all it is is an understanding of "life is what you make it" and other related philosophies.
And it's not true individualism, as it has doctrine and rules to live by.
True individualism requires one to sceptically tear down any dogma one holds and question every boundary.
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2007-07-29, 21:26 |
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just so you know im not really anykind of satanist i was just defending laveyanism and i believe in no dogma whatso-ever and believe things i have comee to through my own practices
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2007-07-29, 21:56 |
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just so you know im not really anykind of satanist i was just defending laveyanism and i believe in no dogma whatso-ever and believe things i have comee to through my own practices
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Oh, sorry. Got the impression you were starting some sort of heated debate.
But yeah, Laveyan Satanism is quite a good philosophy.
But, like my Satanist friend said, he made a big mistake when he started a private organisation or "club" telling you what doctrine you need to follow to be an individual. |
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2007-07-30, 02:30 |
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this reminds me of those stupid skater kids that say they are rebeling and that they are realy individualist when they all wear the same name-brand clothes
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2007-07-30, 02:31 |
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this reminds me of those stupid skater kids that say they are rebeling and that they are realy individualist when they all wear the same name-brand clothes
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*shrug*
You'll find that's been happening for a while now...... |
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2007-07-30, 02:46 |
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it also reminds me of how schools teach us from a young age that its good to be diffrent and that we all are diffrent but i actually got sent to the counselors office when my teacher found out about my beliefs
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2007-07-30, 11:30 |
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it also reminds me of how schools teach us from a young age that its good to be diffrent and that we all are diffrent but i actually got sent to the counselors office when my teacher found out about my beliefs
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LMAO!
What are your beliefs exactly? |
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2007-07-30, 12:13 |
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the closest thing to my beliefs is Chaos Magick
its basicaly semi-atheistic occultism that is against dogma and organisation of any kind. there are no organizations, ministries, churchs, holy-texts/any specific texts, you would even be hard pressed to find even a yahoo group
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2007-07-31, 19:32
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[quote=evilman;8556677]any satanists on totse
what actually do you consider a satanist?
i think the principle philosophical perspective of a satanist
is formed basically by rebellion and/or disdain of god.
thus, rejecting his doctrine.
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