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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |
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# 1
2007-06-29, 02:34
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is it legal...
is it legal to make someone convert into cristianity? im baptized, but really, did i have a choise? i made my first communion, but i was like 6-7, what the fuck does anyone know what their doing at that age. now in
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# 2
2007-06-29, 02:39
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is it legal...
is it legal to force somebody to fully convert into christianity? i was baptized as a baby, but did i really have a choise? I did my first communion when i was like 6-7, but i didnt know what that was about? now, im being coerced to do my confirmation. i dont nessesarily hate religion, but i dont want to be christian because peop[le expect me to
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# 3
2007-06-29, 02:57
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Re: is it legal...
It's your own choice.
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# 4
2007-06-29, 04:25
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Re: is it legal...
Of course it's legal.
You should be thankful for what you have!
My stupid atheist father didn't want to have be baptized until I was "old enough to decide for myself" and now I feel horrible about it.
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# 5
2007-06-29, 04:27
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Re: is it legal...
Well its legal but its fucking gay. When parents force their kids to believe in a certain religion before they even know why they should believe in it, then they end up following it for all the wrong reason (i.e. because they feel obligated to, not because it was their choice and it was what they felt was right.)
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# 6
2007-06-29, 05:07
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http://tinyurl.com/28ozhm
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Re: is it legal...
It is the "it's my kid, i'll do whatever the fuck i want with it" attitude.
edit: religion couldn't survive if they didn't do it.
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# 7
2007-06-29, 05:41
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Re: is it legal...
You guys ever heard of keeping your culture alive? If you want to leave your culture you can. But if your parents want you baptized then there is nothing wrong with that. It wouldn't make sense for them not to baptize their child if that was their culture.
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# 8
2007-06-29, 05:45
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Re: is it legal...
yes it's legal unfortunately. it's like making it legal to brainwash your children.
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# 9
2007-06-29, 05:46
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Re: is it legal...
Yes, it is legal, but the only reason religion survives is because of parents forcing their beliefs onto their children.
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# 10
2007-06-29, 06:38
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dodging the rain and tractors
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Re: is it legal...
/merge
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#11
2007-06-29, 07:04 |
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Re: is it legal...
Of course it's legal, and it makes sense.
Would you atheists want the government telling you that you had to baptize your kids? 
Think about it.
You wanting Christians not to be able to legally baptize their kids is no different from them trying to force you to baptize your kids.
Show some respect for others. |
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#12
2007-06-29, 17:05 |
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Re: is it legal...
My stupid atheist father didn't want to have be baptized until I was "old enough to decide for myself" and now I feel horrible about it.
Why do you feel horrible about it? Do you believe you will be judged differently by God over something you had no control over? Should your father have known what (if any) religion you were going to choose one day?
Of course it's legal, and it makes sense.
Would you atheists want the government telling you that you had to baptize your kids?
Think about it.
You wanting Christians not to be able to legally baptize their kids is no different from them trying to force you to baptize your kids.
Show some respect for others.
I'm not for baptism of babies being illegal, but your reasoning abilities can use some work.
By your rationale, you can also say "You wanting [insert religious group] not to be able to legally perform female circumcision on their kids is no different from them trying to force you to perform female circumcision your kids". |
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#13
2007-06-29, 21:08 |
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Re: is it legal...
I'm not for baptism of babies being illegal, but your reasoning abilities can use some work.
By your rationale, you can also say "You wanting [insert religious group] not to be able to legally perform female circumcision on their kids is no different from them trying to force you to perform female circumcision your kids".
Perhaps, although I think we can all agree baptism is quite different from female circumcision.
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#14
2007-06-29, 21:55 |
Martini
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Re: is it legal...
Perhaps, although I think we can all agree baptism is quite different from female circumcision.
Obviously, which is why I stated what I did about my not being against babies being baptized. My point was that not wanting someone to do something to children is not the same as someone wanting that thing done to children, which was what you claimed.
Care to answer my questions about your not being baptized until old enough to decide that for yourself?
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2007-06-29, 22:48 |
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Re: is it legal...
Obviously, which is why I stated what I did about my not being against babies being baptized. My point was that not wanting someone to do something to children is not the same as someone wanting that thing done to children, which was what you claimed.
Care to answer my questions about your not being baptized until old enough to decide that for yourself?
I suppose it's not that bad, I just don't like the idea of being different from most Christians in that respect.
As for my reasoning, the idea was that people have no business telling others how they can and can't raise their children (within reason ofcourse). Just like a Christian has no right to force their values upon atheist families, atheist families have no right to force their values on Christian families.
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#16
2007-07-01, 03:16 |
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Re: is it legal...
Um, yes, its totally illegal. They can't force you to do jack shit. Say no, and if they try to beat you into submission, get protective services on their ass.
This is your choice. If they manage to get you there, I would advise you piss in the holy water.
As for my reasoning, the idea was that people have no business telling others how they can and can't raise their children (within reason ofcourse). Just like a Christian has no right to force their values upon atheist families, atheist families have no right to force their values on Christian families.
You're an idiot.
Nobody is telling someone how they can "raise" their "children"
This person has free will. They know there is no "god" and they won't say otherwise. You are an idiot for trying to make straw arguments and ... You're just an idiot.
You're an idiot.
I fucked your pope.
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#17
2007-07-01, 03:53 |
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Re: is it legal...
is it legal to make someone convert into cristianity? im baptized, but really, did i have a choise? i made my first communion, but i was like 6-7
Does submersing you in water and making you swallow a thin wafer as a child really make a difference in what you fundamentally believe now? It's only a ceremony, somewhat like placing a cuspid underneath your pillow in order for the tooth fairy to leave you money. You can put it behind you while still maintaining some sort of nostalgia regarding your childhood - but it doesn't mean that you have to continue to subscribe to it.
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#18
2007-07-01, 06:50 |
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Re: is it legal...
Does submersing you in water and making you swallow a thin wafer as a child really make a difference in what you fundamentally believe now? It's only a ceremony, somewhat like placing a cuspid underneath your pillow in order for the tooth fairy to leave you money. You can put it behind you while still maintaining some sort of nostalgia regarding your childhood - but it doesn't mean that you have to continue to subscribe to it.
Sadly it does...
I was baptized Eastern Orthodox and became an atheist when I was 12. My parents still give me shit about being baptized, it goes a little like this.
Parents: "Nick, are you going to church?"
Me: "No, I don't believe in God."
Parents: "  NICK DON'T YOU EVER FUCKING SAY THAT IN MY HOUSE!!! Besides, you were baptized a Christian, you're going."
I treat it as merely a ritual, but Christians seem to think that after you're baptized then you're bound to Jesus for life. |
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#19
2007-07-02, 03:45 |
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Re: is it legal...
Dude thats got bugger all to do with you being baptized
Its just your mum wants you to go to church, and uses every possible trick in the book and bullet in the clip to get you to do it.
For instance, I annoy my mum by not washing up, playing loud music, waking her up at night etc (i'm just careless). She's annoyed with me, but she's nice, so she doesnt just punish me direct (aka swear at me or something crazy) but suddenly my bedroom needs to be tidy, or my mildly annoying habit of storing plates in my bedroom become's a major evil in her eyes.
Hmmm, I think i've gone off the point here.
Anyway, I doubt your mum really considers ignoring your baptism the big thing, its by not going to church/not being a christian etc that your well and truly pissing her off.
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2007-07-02, 14:47 |
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Re: is it legal...
Sadly it does...
I was baptized Eastern Orthodox and became an atheist when I was 12. My parents still give me shit about being baptized, it goes a little like this.
Parents: "Nick, are you going to church?"
Me: "No, I don't believe in God."
Parents: " NICK DON'T YOU EVER FUCKING SAY THAT IN MY HOUSE!!! Besides, you were baptized a Christian, you're going."
I treat it as merely a ritual, but Christians seem to think that after you're baptized then you're bound to Jesus for life.
Due to your age, you may be forced to go just to satisfy your parents - but it still shouldn't affect what you do or do not believe in.
If it makes them sleep better at night thinking that you're bound to Jesus for life, then let the charade go on for their peace of mind. Doesn't hurt you, helps them - and it's not YOUR fault that you're forced to sit through church although you're not a subscriber.
You can take a valuable lesson from it all and give your own children the freedom to make their own choices whenever it's time for you to start producing offspring.
little baby nshanin replicas ... scary thought :p |
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2007-07-02, 22:07 |
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Re: is it legal...
Due to your age, you may be forced to go just to satisfy your parents - but it still shouldn't affect what you do or do not believe in.
If it makes them sleep better at night thinking that you're bound to Jesus for life, then let the charade go on for their peace of mind. Doesn't hurt you, helps them - and it's not YOUR fault that you're forced to sit through church although you're not a subscriber.
You can take a valuable lesson from it all and give your own children the freedom to make their own choices whenever it's time for you to start producing offspring.
little baby nshanin replicas ... scary thought :p
AF's a mod? I knew it wouldn't be long :D
I only told my parents that I was an atheist when I was 14, so I suffered 2 years of church (we pray standing up, 1.5 hours), I thought about it, and then I realized that life would be a lot easier if I had an extra 4 hours to myself every Sunday. You see, my personal happiness is more important than that of my parents (I'm an angsty teen, I'll probably get over it).
I've learned that lesson over and over again, sadly... I'd say the biggest lesson I've learned is all the information in the Bible, I can now argue with evangelicals who refuse to argue the science, and only argue the gospel, which is a major plus... but I've had enough church to last me a lifetime.
Scary thought? The gene pool would be much better off with more of me ;).
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#22
2007-07-03, 19:21 |
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Wasilla, Alaska
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Re: is it legal...
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Originally Posted by Rolloffle
Of course it's legal.
You should be thankful for what you have!
My stupid atheist father didn't want to have be baptized until I was "old enough to decide for myself" and now I feel horrible about it.
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So you feel bad because of your religion?
Oh well, you have lots of company. But you might be well-advised to re-think the whole issue. |
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#23
2007-07-04, 03:51 |
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Re: is it legal...
Children are looked at as pieces of property, their choices don't matter, get used to it. In this society, the "perfect" family trains their children to be little social tools for their parents, so that the parents can convince other parents that they are somehow better than them.
So yes, it is legal and it more than likely will be like that for awhile.
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