Actually, in mathematics two negatives multiplied make a positive

Mainly because the Rich were able to buy off the Government/bribe/etc....

Given that the US is a superpower, no. They can't afford that givn the economy and such.

Venezuela is moving toward socialism bu they weren't ostracized, shit many in the UN agree with Chavez.

Oh, when I meant by that I meant by the Capitalist European nations, +US and Canada.

There were actually several socialist revolutions like the ones in Russia but the others were quashed or moderated (ex. Germany had one but the Freikorps quashed them

misunderstanding of words.

Dictatorship of the Proletariat means that the workers are dictating, not referring to a dictator in control, as Stalin was.

" dictatorships who fucked up any transition (Stalin mainly)"

That's part of it, sorry for not mentioning that in detail

The Japanese-Americans got reparations.

Blacks haven't.

And that is a drag..

Yes, this is a constant of any government. It's part of why I don't like governments.

Considering an uprising would likely initially destroy the US economy, I think your point is invalid.

Yes, and Venezuela is also moving towards economic collapse. Besides, it's more a cult of personality than socialism.

Do you really think one pre-eminent prole wouldn't emerge?

That has nothing to do with whether or not they were successful.

They exploit the workers to pay them significantly-less, overwork them then ship them back once their visa, or whatever they call it naturally expires and the companies don't want to vouch for them becoming citizens as they won't have to be forced to accept low wages

The Americans who would manufacture those components? There's a lot of workers being layed off currently. There was competition.

Plenty of competition.
http://www.businessknowhow.com/manage/export1.htm

It's different with a transition from manufacturing to info. tech; as that requires a new degree, and such. Back them you didn't need a college degree and could keep the same job for your lifetime.

The older guys who don't have degrees would have to go back, spend 4 years to get degrees, etc and that's assuming they have an aptitude for those types of things.

EDIT: you haven't answered Hubbard's Peak Oil theory...

A truly free market never runs out of a natural resource. It becomes more expensive as supplies are used up, and demand for substitutes naturally rises.

You assume that the uprising is nasty and dangerous, and not quick.

Have you paid attention to the EXTREMELY low approval ratings for Congress and POTUS Bush?

Or, say that poll by scrippsnews saying 1/3 of America believes the Bush Regime ALLOWED 9/11 to happen?

He has implemented many Communal Councils so that the people can directly control what resources they need. The government now only gives them the money they need and the councils do everything else, independent.

"[SIZE=2]His planned reforms will affect the energy sector, telecommunications, the economy and defence, among others. [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Mr Chavez has said the legislation will transform the country into a socialist society. Opponents describe the new law as an abuse of power. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]In the open-air public ceremony in the capital, lawmakers voted unanimously to grant the Venezuelan leader the new powers, shouting: "Long live Socialism."[/SIZE]



[SIZE=2]According to the so-called enabling law, the president can remake laws for "the construction of a new, sustainable economic and social model" to achieve an equal distribution of wealth. [/SIZE]







[SIZE=2]Officials say he has no intention of turning Venezuela into a communist state, arguing that freedom of speech and religion will all be safe. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"He has been trying to export his kind of radical populism and I think that his behaviour is threatening to democracies in the region," Mr Negroponte said. [/SIZE]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6315819.stm

That is possible, nay likely. But they would be in a council system so that the pre-eminent proletarian would be checked by the council, also elected as well and by the constitution that would protect the basic human rights.

That is true, but many substitutes rely on oil, in one way or another and I don't see anyone making the issue of peak oil important....except the Greens, maybe.

I think more of us angry Americans (I'm one of them) are more distrustful of government due to the utter failure of both Democrats and Republicans than wanting more of it.

That may be what he says, but I find it hard to believe that's actually what he's doing.

If he succeeds, he will have created the first government-directed program that worked in the history of mankind.

Obvious bullshit. Look at the TV station he took over.

The Duma sure did a shitty job of countering the pre-eminent proletarian, and since Chavez does not believe private property is a basic human right, his promise to protect them is empty.

Technically that wouldn't necessarily be government, it's be direct democracy funded by the government.

He's doing it actually
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=11528

EDIT: Oh, Chazed first sued their collective asses over the coup support.


LOL....hahah, well what about War?

Not actually. He simply didn't renew the license of a TV station that advocated a coup in 2002 and wanted to shoot him.

You think Bush would've waited that long and simply not renewed the license if, say CNN broadcasted and advocated shooting Bush.

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../05/31/1412206

The Soviet Union was jumped on by several nations during the Russian Revolution, you forget so they didn't get aid, unlike what the US did get from France, etc.

Oh, BTW in Lenin's will he warned the Soviets NOT to given Stalin any more power...apparently they didn't listen.

There were plenty of people opposing Stalin, they all were executed or fled. Trotsky is an example.

Um.......corporations are not owned by a single person though...

...Democracy is a form of government.

One place. And I find it hard to believe that he would be OK with it if they decided they wanted to try a free-enterprise system.

So advocating overthrowing the American government, as you do, is OK, but advocating overthrowing the Venezuelan one isn't? Why is one government sacred and not the other? (Personally, I hold neither of them in very high regard.)

I'm not LOLing. I'm not aware of a single government program, including war, that has achieved its stated goals in a reasonable amount of time/money.

Well, firstly, that would be the FCC's job, and secondly, the government has no right to decide what TV stations may broadcast. The same question I asked you about the sanctity of governments above goes for here too.

This does not counteract my point.

Maybe they didn't do anything about it because they were being oppressed by a "dictatorship of the proletariat".

Corporations are a legal fiction. Chavez has also taken huge swaths of individually owned land, some of which had been in the same family for centuries.

Why does that mean anything? The royal family and anyone related to them still own large amounts of land in the UK. I don't support them and I doubt most of the country does, but should the land stay theirs simply because it's "been in the same family for centuries"?

Besides who gives people the right to own land anyway? It's the government, so it's the governments decision. Otherwise you get into the whole "Property is theft" anarchy thing.