i really am not interested in doing it myself, but i find it strange how on jerry springer, it's nasty when a brother is fucking his sister, but it's ok to stick your dick in another mans ass? do any of you think that homosexuality is more natural than incest? i sure dont. i'd say incest=interracial sex, like as far as how messed up you'd have to be in the head to do it. incest with other people turns me on. gay porn, does not, and lesbian porn hasnt turned me on since i was in 5th grade and the site of dicks made me nautious, but i would have just liked soft core porn just as much.

It creates gross mutant children with hell of defects and deformities.

What he said.

People claim that it's because of deformities in children, but it's really not. It's because they feel that it's wrong. People don't seem to a give a fuck if a woman smokes or drinks while she's pregnant, why care if the father was her brother? It's a bunch of bullshit created by our society. Hell, incest is illegal in states that have abortion clinics. You can decide to kill your child, but not to let them live a deformed life? And it's not 100% that it's going to come out deformed, theres just a better chance cause of some shit with the genes. There was something in Germany recently about a brother and sister who had children, and the guy went to prison, served his sentence, got out and got a vasectomy. They're still threatened with prison, and people are still fucking with them. What the fuck? See, it really isn't about the children.

They also say parents have too much influence blah fucking blah. I heard once some interview with a liberal uptight ass soccer mom bitch cop who had a hand in busting a child porn ring. She said "It's difficult to see those pictures of children, but whats worse, is seeing when the child is enjoying it, it's disturbing to see that kind of mental...blah...blah...blah". If the child is enjoying it, who the fuck are you to intervene? I fucking hate these assholes.

As long as no one is getting hurt, why do they care so much? Theres nothing wrong with incest. Get through the social conditioning and you'll see that it's just another form of intimacy.

Yes, but not to the extent that most people believe.

I wouldn't mind fucking my hot cousin. We almost fucked twice. Not that we intend to make babies or anything.

like actuall relationships wouldn't be good, but i can see why one off things might happen, and contraception?

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While the exact nature of kin-recognition psychology awaits definition, and while the degree to which it can be overcome by cultural forces is poorly understood, an overwhelming body of research now shows that evolutionary biology and evolved human psychology play a central role in human aversion to incest.

Inbreeding leads to an increase in homozygosity (the same allele at the same locus on both members of a chromosome pair). This occurs because close relatives are much more likely to share the same alleles than unrelated individuals. This is especially important for recessive alleles that happen to be deleterious, which are harmless and inactive in a heterozygous pairing but, when homozygous, can cause serious developmental defects. Such offspring have a much higher chance of death before reaching the age of reproduction, leading to what biologists call inbreeding depression, a measurable decrease in fitness due to inbreeding among populations with deleterious recessives. Recessive genes, which can contain various genetic problems, appear more often in the offspring of procreative couplings whose members both have the same gene.

I'd rather have 'inbreeding depression' than have the depression and mental mind fucks that come with a sexual and love repressed society.

Incest is a universally negative social taboo. There's a number of different reasons why. There's mutant kids, one. Another reason is familiarity, if you know someone for your entire life, you lust for them less and less. That's why sex among married people plummets. Another reason being: you look alike.

I could list a bunch of reasons, but I've got to find my old Anthropology book.

Give me a second.

twilight is right. as far as healthy kids, it's more healthy (i would believe) for a child to be born out of incest, than a child to be adopted and raised by two homo's. but i wasnt even talking about having kids. im sure most people who do commit incest make sure not to have kids, so i dont think thats part of it. but yeah it's just one of the things believed by the majority that i feel is because of the media.

what im saying, is i dont want to do either, but when it's somebody else, incest is hot, however, im repulsed by gay sex, so obviously incest is the more natural of the two.

EDIT: i have a sister, and i dont look at her that way. im not turned on by her, but everybody else says she's hot. im not saying it's natural to be attracted to family. but it's alot more natural than homosexuality.

and also, a dog will have sex with it's sibling, and it doesnt take much at all to get him to do it. but i have never seen a male dog try to have sex with another male dog. not saying it couldnt happen, because dogs will hump anything, but i havnt ever seen or heard of it.

It breeds GINGERS!!!

Do you need another reason?

as far as healthy kids, it's more healthy (i would believe) for a child to be born out of incest, than a child to be adopted and raised by two homo's.

If you think it's more healthy for a kid to have a massively higher chance of having severe disease, being mentally retarded and dying at a young age than to be raised by lesbian or gay parents (I have quite a few friends who were), then you are severely fucked in the head.

The practice of exogamy is a third reason, beyond the obvious reasons and the slightly hidden reasons. Exogamy not only increases the amount of "allies" you have in nature, but it also frees up trade groups and is contributive to DNA preservation.

There's two more anthropologically accepted reasons. I'll look them up.

Inbreeding depression annnnnd....

Then there's the obvious social aversion to it reinforced by the negative attitudes...

I guess most of it's psychological. You may want to see Genetic attraction, though.

Also, what's your problem with homosexuals? Some people are just born that way, leave them alone. All psychological evidence says that they're born that way, it's nothing too fucked up, it just happens. A lof of really cool people're gay. Sure, I don't know what they see in the anus, but what the hell? Who cares?

I think they should be able to raise children. At least their children won't be all deformed and genetically inferior...

I wouldn't mind fucking my hot cousin. We almost fucked twice. Not that we <b><i>intended<i><b> to make babies or anything.

'Cause that matters so much ;)

i dont have a problem with homosexuals, i could have just as easily called them fags or queers because it's shorter, but i typed homo because it's short for homosexual, i didnt know that was offensive now. the only problem with it is it's gross to me. that and the fact that the media tries to say thats ok, while saying incest is un-natural. do you really believe a person can just be born gay, but not be born and just have an attraction to a family member?

just as with someone who prefers someone of another race, i think all 3 things are a psychological problem, but homosexuality is the worst and most un-natural of the three.

and im also not a frat person who goes out of their way to say the word fag in every sentence. if a gay doesnt have the manners not to kiss another man in public, i wont have the manners to look away in disgust. but other than that, he's ok unless he tries to force himself on me. it's just bad that the media is teaching it's somehow ok to be like that.

just as with someone who prefers someone of another race, i think all 3 things are a psychological problem, but homosexuality is the worst and most un-natural of the three.

"If theres one thing I can't abide, it's an ethnocentric racist"

It might be perceived as wrong, hhh I dont know.... perhaps because

It creates gross mutant children with hell of defects and deformities.

I suppse if you werent the product of mutant inbreeding you would have gone to school and realized this simple and profound truth.

I'd rather have 'inbreeding depression' than have the depression and mental mind fucks that come with a sexual and love repressed society.

Just when I thought I was going to leave the thread, I stumbled on this little gem and it shows me you really are as stupid as you make yourself out to be.

So lets see, die when you are 12 whilst having various mental deficiencies and illnesses and possible physical deformity.... or live a long 80 years of life going with the fucking flow, not trying to be a faggot "Imma do it my way" bitchtit, probably be successful and have lots of sex, drugs, and money, and maybe have a mental illness or two...

Yea.... I tihnk the choice is pretty fucking obvious.

black people all look the same to me. i remember one time i was living with this coke head, and he always had all these people in and out of his house and they were all black, and they would always greet me, like im supposed to be able to know them from another one. like he'd do his black handshake, and be saying 'that was crazy the other day' and i'd be like 'who are you again?' unless you go out of your way to try to kiss black peoples ass, you would be the same way. i dont go out of my way to be around them, i lived there because he was the only person i knew who would let me.

im not attracted to black women just like im not attracted to my sister thats what im saying. thats why i say interracial relationships are about like incest to me.

It might be perceived as wrong, hhh I dont know.... perhaps because



I suppse if you werent the product of mutant inbreeding you would have gone to school and realized this simple and profound truth.



Just when I thought I was going to leave the thread, I stumbled on this little gem and it shows me you really are as stupid as you make yourself out to be.

So lets see, die when you are 12 whilst having various mental deficiencies and illnesses and possible physical deformity.... or live a long 80 years of life going with the fucking flow, not trying to be a faggot "Imma do it my way" bitchtit, probably be successful and have lots of sex, drugs, and money, and maybe have a mental illness or two...

Yea.... I tihnk the choice is pretty fucking obvious.

That's incest that involves giving birth to children. What about safe sex? A son and his mother who have sex on birth control, is still wrong?

Why does everyone keep talking about children? The OP's question was about sex with family members, not children with them.

Answer what you read, not what you wanted to read.




As for my opinion: Hey, pussy's pussy. Long as you don't make any retarded webtoed fish-babies, go for it.

It leads to a considerably higher incidence of birth defects and genetic problems, but it's not a hills-have-eyes monster making sort of thing.

It just seems icky.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I could tear you the fuck apart on this boy and this completely verifys how much of a creep you fucking are. I'm too lazy and stoned to make fun of you but seriously WHAT THE FUCK? You're such a fucking loser its pathetic and I hope I see you on the street in your trenchcoat and no clothes underneath someday so I can run your dumb ass over for the good of humanity!

Exactly. If I remember correctly, mutuations happen in every DNA replication but are mostly harmless because when they are coupled with an unrelated (is there such a person?) person, they chances that the mutuations will line up is much smaller, and two closely related indviduals fertilizing an embryo have a higher chance of these mutations lining up together and actually causing a problem.

There's the remnant of my Anatomy Class this past year.

Exactly. If I remember correctly, mutuations happen in every DNA replication but are mostly harmless because when they are coupled with an unrelated (is there such a person?) person, they chances that the mutuations will line up is much smaller, and two closely related indviduals fertilizing an embryo have a higher chance of these mutations lining up together and actually causing a problem.

There's the remnant of my Anatomy Class this past year.

The reason you're at a higher percentage for birth defects is because you have two people with various dominant/submissive birth defect genes. Think about it, since both of you have a high risk for whatever means that the offspring is bound to have one or two of those birth defects.

Say the mother is a carrier for tay-sachs. No biggie, right? She's also a carrier for a couple other birth defects. Now think about it. you have a 1/2 per cent chance that the child will get tay sachs. You also have another couple of 1/2 per cent chances the child will get something else. So that's 1/2*However many birth defects the mother has. The percentage grows as does the number of birth defects.

Now, as for the moral aspect, it depends. Does the child know it's his mother? From a strictly Freudan point of veiw: nothing is wrong in this equasion. But, from a more modern veiwpoint, there is something awry. Why would a child want to fuck their mother/sister/whatever? Well, if they grew up together, then they wouldn't want to. But, if they were adopted, they would be attracted to one another. Human beings look for other humans with biologically similiar characteristics. Therefore, if you were raised away from each other you would find her attractive.

From a sociocultural perspective it's wrong in every sense of the word. Endogamic relationships aren't good for business, trade, genes, etc. But if it's a definite connection, heart to heart, then I would be willing to accept it. Love is love, regardless of the genetics of it.

How does this connect to homosexual men? Glad you asked. It doesn't. There is nothing similiar to two men fucking and a son fucking his sister. There is also no connection between two men fucking and a man fucking an animal. If two people love each other then they love each other. End of story. Think about it. If someone made you feel like no one else could, and constantly satisfied you, would you give a fuck what society thought? Two men who love each other together with a child is much better than a straight couple that hates each other's guts.

But, you're right. It's icky, either way.

brother & sister sex should be done for practicing.

That's incest that involves giving birth to children. What about safe sex? A son and his mother who have sex on birth control, is still wrong?

Ok, I understand you now. Then again, everyone on this board says to use the pill or condoms, yet we still get OMGZ MAH BITCH BE PREGNINT every other day.

I'd rather not have those statistics (plus the skew from already retarded people that would be into this) start a self-perpetuating subpopulation of people like this.

By keeping sexuality within a family, problematic genes eventually become dominant (and by that, i refer to mental defects primarliy). However, recent studies have invalidated the "proof" that fucking one's cousin leads to mental defects in children. Now, this doesn't prove that fucking one's cousin doesn't, but it simply devaluates the "proof" that has been proposed so far. Now, I would only fuck this one cousin of mine because she's hot as shit, but realistically that wouldn't happen. So, in short, incest = hot in erotica, but rarely practical.

I, for one, wholeheartedly support our twincestuous bretheren!

*takes deep breath* Okay, time to take out the (trailer) trash.

People claim that it's because of deformities in children, but it's really not. It's because they feel that it's wrong.

Yes, and culture tells them that it's wrong, and culture tells them it's wrong because it creates a huge amount of problems, social and to a lesser extent genetic. Every society on earth finds incest wrong for a reason. The only incidents of incest being okay were among noblemen in ancient Peru and Ptolemaic Egypt.

People don't seem to a give a fuck if a woman smokes or drinks while she's pregnant, why care if the father was her brother?

What the fuck? I've never met someone who wasn't the worst kind of lowlife piece of shit that was okay with those things while a woman is pregnant...

Hell, incest is illegal in states that have abortion clinics. You can decide to kill your child, but not to let them live a deformed life?

The choice to refrain from having a child is not the same as the choice to have a deformed child.

There was something in Germany recently about a brother and sister who had children, and the guy went to prison, served his sentence, got out and got a vasectomy. They're still threatened with prison, and people are still fucking with them. What the fuck? See, it really isn't about the children.

Actually, it is about the children, even in this case, but you just didn't think things through all the way. People like this are ridiculed and made into pariahs to make sure others see what happens when you have inbred children. So by ridiculing and ostracizing these parents you are preventing more inbreeding.

They also say parents have too much influence blah fucking blah. I heard once some interview with a liberal uptight ass soccer mom bitch cop who had a hand in busting a child porn ring. She said "It's difficult to see those pictures of children, but whats worse, is seeing when the child is enjoying it, it's disturbing to see that kind of mental...blah...blah...blah". If the child is enjoying it, who the fuck are you to intervene? I fucking hate these assholes.

You know, you could give a kid crack and tell him it's the best thing in the world, and only made your life better, and you could technically be only telling opinion so not really lying. But would it be right? No. But the child would be enjoying crack soon enough. Laws protecting children are actually the few laws I almost unequivocally support, despite my anti-interventionist attitude towards government. Children aren't supposed to be having sex, or else they would be biologically capable of having healthy children, which they're not.

As long as no one is getting hurt, why do they care so much? Theres nothing wrong with incest. Get through the social conditioning and you'll see that it's just another form of intimacy.

The survival and propagation of the human race takes precedent over your trailer park morality, I'm afraid.

Yes, but not to the extent that most people believe.

This invalidates nothing. I bet most people couldn't define "fascism" if their life depended on it, still doesn't make fascism any more attractive of a ideology.

I'd rather have 'inbreeding depression' than have the depression and mental mind fucks that come with a sexual and love repressed society.

I'm afraid you're part of a very tiny amount of people that gets angry over it not being socially acceptable to fuck their sister, but the rest of us do just fine and aren't "love repressed".

but yeah it's just one of the things believed by the majority that i feel is because of the media.

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Then why is it that even the most backward tribes in Africa that have never seen a synthetic product have tabboos against incest? Believe me, people have despised and hated incest long before we even had ironworking.

im repulsed by gay sex, so obviously incest is the more natural of the two.

Oh my! You motherfuckers(literally) come in here ranting about how just because society feels incest is wrong doesn't make it wrong, but then you assume that just because you feel that homosexuality is wrong that makes it unnatural and wrong? Please, get your head out of your ass, or your sister's ass, or whoever.

and also, a dog will have sex with it's sibling, and it doesnt take much at all to get him to do it. but i have never seen a male dog try to have sex with another male dog. not saying it couldnt happen, because dogs will hump anything, but i havnt ever seen or heard of it.

I've seen it happen, though that is irrelavent. Many dogs also eat their own shit, does that make that natural and acceptable for humans too?

do you really believe a person can just be born gay, but not be born and just have an attraction to a family member?

But you're also saying that homosexuality is bad, so then by your own argument incest and homosexuality is bad, it's just wrong that the media doesn't call both bad?

Also, homosexuality doesn't create a bunch of little children with preventable genetic defects that will then become a burden on society.

just as with someone who prefers someone of another race, i think all 3 things are a psychological problem, but homosexuality is the worst and most un-natural of the three.

It is ingrained into humans to reproduce with those that don look like themselves, which is a way to prevent incest. This also makes the desire for interracial relationships quite natural.

im not attracted to black women just like im not attracted to my sister thats what im saying. thats why i say interracial relationships are about like incest to me.

I hate relativism to a large degree, but your ideas on what is natural and what is not are astoundingly narrow minded and egocentric.

That's incest that involves giving birth to children. What about safe sex? A son and his mother who have sex on birth control, is still wrong?

Humans haven't evolved since our caveman days, so most of our culture and biological instincts are still linked to that time. Back then there was no "safe sex". People had children when they had sex, so it was unsafe for a mother and son to copulate.

However, to be on the safe side, we should be against incest in all it's forms, because of the following:

Ok, I understand you now. Then again, everyone on this board says to use the pill or condoms, yet we still get OMGZ MAH BITCH BE PREGNINT every other day.

I'd rather not have those statistics (plus the skew from already retarded people that would be into this) start a self-perpetuating subpopulation of people like this.

Also, I don't think anyone brought up the family structure problems of incest. If your mother is your aunt or your sister also, and you are her brother and son, how the hell do you guys interact? Who is in charge of who? etc.

Children aren't supposed to be having sex, or else they would be biologically capable of having healthy children

Also, homosexuality doesn't create a bunch of little children with preventable genetic defects that will then become a burden on society.

Que??

...and uhh...

Also, I don't think anyone brought up the family structure problems of incest. If your mother is your aunt or your sister also, and you are her brother and son, how the hell do you guys interact? Who is in charge of who?

...would you care to explain to the assembled crowd why, not once in your life, have you even had the notion that humans can interact with one another in a fashion that is not based on dominance and sumbission?

I mean, really... care to explain?

Oh wow, what a fuckin hick post. Could this post be any more redneck?

Incest is normal? Check.

Homosexuals are unnatural? Check.

Interracial sex is unnatural? Check.

Holy shit dude...I feel sorry for you and whoever brought you up to be the way you are. Have fun in life fucker :D

P.S. I still do find incest with other people a turn on but only cause I don't have a sister myself so I can't relate.

Homosexuality is natural and is observed all over in nature among animals (yes even the other few species which bang for fun). Incest is common among some species, but with ours it is a de-evolutionary factory. 2 ppl with genes so similar often spawn a child with many of the recessive problems of the parent’s family line. And since there is a closer copy, the spawn is more likely to have those issues. This is a step backwards in evolution for our species, thus it’s viewed as negative. The social stigma around it grew from this as a means to prevent heavily tarded children, especially when medicine for such people didn’t exist. Incest also makes our reproductive system pointless. as it is to combine DNA with someone who's is diffrent so as to make the product stronger.

It’s a taboo that makes since from a biological perspective. Aint no harm in sticking it in the pooper. In fact it’s actually a very helpful activity among non human primates to keep social and control structures in order. Its also the social base of several tribal human societies to this day.

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*takes deep breath* Okay, time to take out the (trailer) trash.



Yes, and culture tells them that it's wrong, and culture tells them it's wrong because it creates a huge amount of problems, social and to a lesser extent genetic. Every society on earth finds incest wrong for a reason. The only incidents of incest being okay were among noblemen in ancient Peru and Ptolemaic Egypt.



What the fuck? I've never met someone who wasn't the worst kind of lowlife piece of shit that was okay with those things while a woman is pregnant...



The choice to refrain from having a child is not the same as the choice to have a deformed child.



Actually, it is about the children, even in this case, but you just didn't think things through all the way. People like this are ridiculed and made into pariahs to make sure others see what happens when you have inbred children. So by ridiculing and ostracizing these parents you are preventing more inbreeding.



You know, you could give a kid crack and tell him it's the best thing in the world, and only made your life better, and you could technically be only telling opinion so not really lying. But would it be right? No. But the child would be enjoying crack soon enough. Laws protecting children are actually the few laws I almost unequivocally support, despite my anti-interventionist attitude towards government. Children aren't supposed to be having sex, or else they would be biologically capable of having healthy children, which they're not.



The survival and propagation of the human race takes precedent over your trailer park morality, I'm afraid.



This invalidates nothing. I bet most people couldn't define "fascism" if their life depended on it, still doesn't make fascism any more attractive of a ideology.



I'm afraid you're part of a very tiny amount of people that gets angry over it not being socially acceptable to fuck their sister, but the rest of us do just fine and aren't "love repressed".



You've got to be fucking kidding me. Then why is it that even the most backward tribes in Africa that have never seen a synthetic product have tabboos against incest? Believe me, people have despised and hated incest long before we even had ironworking.



Oh my! You motherfuckers(literally) come in here ranting about how just because society feels incest is wrong doesn't make it wrong, but then you assume that just because you feel that homosexuality is wrong that makes it unnatural and wrong? Please, get your head out of your ass, or your sister's ass, or whoever.



I've seen it happen, though that is irrelavent. Many dogs also eat their own shit, does that make that natural and acceptable for humans too?



But you're also saying that homosexuality is bad, so then by your own argument incest and homosexuality is bad, it's just wrong that the media doesn't call both bad?

Also, homosexuality doesn't create a bunch of little children with preventable genetic defects that will then become a burden on society.



It is ingrained into humans to reproduce with those that don look like themselves, which is a way to prevent incest. This also makes the desire for interracial relationships quite natural.



I hate relativism to a large degree, but your ideas on what is natural and what is not are astoundingly narrow minded and egocentric.



Humans haven't evolved since our caveman days, so most of our culture and biological instincts are still linked to that time. Back then there was no "safe sex". People had children when they had sex, so it was unsafe for a mother and son to copulate.

However, to be on the safe side, we should be against incest in all it's forms, because of the following:



Also, I don't think anyone brought up the family structure problems of incest. If your mother is your aunt or your sister also, and you are her brother and son, how the hell do you guys interact? Who is in charge of who? etc.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. I hate all the "concerned mothers" who think just because they don't like something, they can force their beliefs on other people.

twilight is right. as far as healthy kids, it's more healthy (i would believe) for a child to be born out of incest, than a child to be adopted and raised by two homo's

That mad my day, oh man ahah.

Que??

...and uhh...

Everything has to be looked at based on statistics. The net effect of homosexuals having relations, when they constitute such a small percentage of the population, isn't nearly as important as the net effect of children all having sex, who are a huge subset of the population, and constitute at one time or another every adult alive right now.

...would you care to explain to the assembled crowd why, not once in your life, have you even had the notion that humans can interact with one another in a fashion that is not based on dominance and sumbission?

I mean, really... care to explain?

I have history, sociology, psychology, biology, etc. to back up my claim that humans are always dominating each other. I'm sorry you feel like this is a bad thing, when in all actuality it is useful and at least somewhat positive.

History and anthropology and the like will tell you that to transmit important cultural skills it has almost always been necessary for certain people to have dominance over others, for the good of the tribe, and on a larger scale, society. Parents are often given jurisdiction over their immediate offspring, and in many societies other older relatives have jurisdiction over their children as well. The problem comes into play when you have multible relatives in what are typically simply relationships having complex ones in which there is no clear cut case of rational authority, due to inbreeding.

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Far too much, that's how much. I really need to get laid, but I would rather be abstinent than fuck my sister, so I am here. :p

black people all look the same to me. i remember one time i was living with this coke head, and he always had all these people in and out of his house and they were all black, and they would always greet me, like im supposed to be able to know them from another one. like he'd do his black handshake, and be saying 'that was crazy the other day' and i'd be like 'who are you again?' unless you go out of your way to try to kiss black peoples ass, you would be the same way. i dont go out of my way to be around them, i lived there because he was the only person i knew who would let me.

Are you really that retarded or are you just a troll? I honestly can't make up my mind.

Fucking humans.

I'd rather have 'inbreeding depression' than have the depression and mental mind fucks that come with a sexual and love repressed society.

he already said you can fuck your cousin dude, just don't knock up your sister, got it?

I completely agree with the above, homosexuality is NORMAL but ONLY TO AN EXTENT. It is not normal for people not to feel attracted to the oppose sex. Thats a genetic mistake, a sickness.

Plenty of animals develop statistically high percentages of homosexuality as their numbers explode, in order to combat overpopulation:

http://www.mirapuri-enterprises.com/Anand/NatHomoE.htm

In other words, you're wrong.

I don't see a problem with it.. I wouldn't do it, I'm not attracted to anyone in my family that way. But if thats what you like, go for it. I just like everyone to be happy. :p

it's just bad that the media is teaching it's somehow ok to be like that.

what the fuck does it matter...seriously?

I have history, sociology, psychology, biology, etc. to back up my claim that humans are always dominating each other. I'm sorry you feel like this is a bad thing, when in all actuality it is useful and at least somewhat positive.

Yes, that humans *can* and sometimes *have* dominated each other is one thing. To ignore that it - like rape, murder, and war - have happened is an act of insanity...

...but your written inability to even concieve that *other* methods of interpersonal interaction might happen to exist is the issue that makes you appear to stand a slightly disturbing whackjob. The two are seperable.

Yes, that humans *can* and sometimes *have* dominated each other is one thing. To ignore that it - like rape, murder, and war - have happened is an act of insanity...

You are a stupid fuck. We were discussing family relations and incest. When does murder and war come into that? We were discussing the necessity of parents to have clear cut boundaries over who they have the responsibility of rearing and training to be functioning members of society. No where were we discussing war and murder. Those are not functions that take place between functioning families whose purpose is social support to each other, those are products of groups of people fighting other groups of people, which we aren't discussing. We are discussing families and incest.

...but your written inability to even concieve that *other* methods of interpersonal interaction might happen to exist is the issue that makes you appear to stand a slightly disturbing whackjob.

So can you give me one example of an ordered society where no one had any power over anyone else? Can you? Oh, wait, you can't, because in order for a society to function there needs to be at least basic authority, even if it is just parents over children. So please, shut the fuck up.

The two are seperable.

Says you, with only your own "feelings" to back it up and no hard evidence.

It's wrong for the same reason cannibalism is wrong. There is both a biological disgust towards it and a breakdown of social structures inherent in it. When people form a family, they have roles they are obligated to fulfill, and sex is incompatible with those roles. Doesn't matter if the family is biological or not, that's just how family works. Sure, if someone wants to do it it's not my problem, and it certainly shouldn't be against the law, but they're still going to have serious issues. The death of close family is one of the most traumatic things that can happen to a person, and so too is a fundamental change in the nature of someones relationship to family.

Without reading through everyone else's posts, I'm going to say it's due to the fact that inbreeding causes problems in offspring somewhwere along the line.

You are a stupid fuck. We were discussing family relations and incest.

Well, actually, in that subthread, we were discussing your disability to concieve of a way of interacting with someone which does not involve dominance and submission through force.

When does murder and war come into that?

...which should answer your question.

So can you give me one example of an ordered society where no one had any power over anyone else? Can you? Oh, wait, you can't, because {bullshit snipped}. So please, shut the fuck up.

I've already said that it does, in fact, occur in human history; my assertion is that it is not the sole means by which humans have interacted.

So please, learn to read or shut the fuck up.



Says you, with only your own "feelings" to back it up and no hard evidence.

Umm... no.

The fact that people HAVE, within history, occasionally used domination and force does NOT equivocate to a proof that no other human interaction has existed.

Or to phrase it in the general... the existance of one thing is NOT disproof of the existance of anything which is not that one thing.

You're remarkably mentally challenged, aren't you? Do they have, like, special classes they put you in? If not... you should find some special classes for the mentally challenged and attend them until you can figure things like this out without outside help, honestly. It would make your life much easier, I think.

This is hilarious. You keep going on and on and on about how in history there have been moments when force wasn't used in a society, but you constantly fail to give even one example. Please get back to me with that...

Okay. Right now, I am talking with a friend. Not once have we operated on a paradigm of force. Ergo, it is established that there have in fact been instances in which two or more people successfully operated without force, or dominance thereby, have occurred. This fact is true whether or not other people choose to interact differently.

I'm surprised you needed that much fucking help, dude.

yeah, just look at the British "Royal" Family...bam! "reaches up for a high five" c'mon, anyone here agree with me? Btw, the guy who created this thread is clearly homophobic, at least a tiny bit.
-Kman101

Okay. Right now, I am talking with a friend. Not once have we operated on a paradigm of force. Ergo, it is established that there have in fact been instances in which two or more people successfully operated without force, or dominance thereby, have occurred. This fact is true whether or not other people choose to interact differently.

I'm surprised you needed that much fucking help, dude.

God damn your fucking stupid. We are talking about society as a whole functioning properly, not individual friendships. Get over yourself, you're just an uneducated douchebag redneck.

God damn your fucking stupid.

ORLY let's look at that onekthx...

We are talking about society as a whole functioning properly, not individual friendships. Get over yourself, you're just an uneducated douchebag redneck.

"We" are not.

I responded to one of your posts wondering how truly sad it is that you cannot concieve of any human interaction not based on dominance/submisison through force.

YOU blurted out bullshit how I couldn't prove there was a SINGLE such interaction. I did.

Suddenly, you're whining about what "we" "are" talking about?

No, son... I know exactly what I was talking about, and since that happens to be the start of that subthread... there is no "we" shit, kimosabe.

Now... when making fuckups like that, try to be careful with phrases like "goddamn fucking stupid." They might just come back to ya when you pull fuckups like this, ya know?

Fucking humans.

This thread in a nutshell, my friend.

I responded to one of your posts wondering how truly sad it is that you cannot concieve of any human interaction not based on dominance/submisison through force.

A single human society built entirely around a lack of force being used to compel people to do things was what we were talking about, or do you think I was incapable of thinking on such small terms as personal non-familial relationships? You are incredibly dense to think we were thinking that small.

A single human society built entirely around a lack of force being used to compel people to do things was what we were talking about, or do you think I was incapable of thinking on such small terms as personal non-familial relationships? You are incredibly dense to think we were thinking that small.

ORLY? Let's go back to the post that started this, shall we?

...would you care to explain to the assembled crowd why, not once in your life, have you even had the notion that humans can interact with one another in a fashion that is not based on dominance and sumbission?

Please note that it observes that there are other interactions, not that dominance or submission is any sort of universally nonoccurrent.


You, sir, are a serious mothafuckin' retard.

incest + no condoms = juggalos


Thats why.

Wow, this thread is actually intelligent.(!)

I just love how all of you motherfuckers ignore how much (or how little?) homozygosity applies when you're having children with someone of your own race. There's a 3% chance of the offspring developing defects, and only a 6% chance in the case of an incestual relationship.

So if you're a jap, go fuck an African superbowler in order to be morally pure.

Moreso, cannibalism is wrong because Mad Cow starts out by that.

i dont have a problem with homosexuals


the only PROBLEM with it is it's gross to ME.

i didnt know that was offensive now.

Retard.

that and the fact that the media tries to say thats ok, while saying incest is un-natural.

Media? The majority of all societies say so, fool. Nature is the one saying incest is unnatural you moron, are you not reading all the biological reasons being posted?

Fuck, this guy must be either attracted to his sister or hes a product of incest.

Moreso, cannibalism is wrong because Mad Cow starts out by that.

...wouldn't that be "mad human" then??

who gives a fuck who you think about when you masterbate