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9:16 PM 5/22/1996

Newsletter excerpts offer ammunition to Paul's opponent

GOP hopeful quoted on race, crime

By ALAN BERNSTEIN
Copyright 1996 Houston Chronicle Political Writer
Texas congressional candidate Ron Paul's 1992 political newsletter highlighted portrayals of blacks as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about top political issues.


Under the headline of "Terrorist Update," for instance, Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."


Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time."


Selected writings by Paul were distributed Wednesday by the campaign of his Democratic opponent, Austin lawyer Charles "Lefty" Morris.


Morris said many of Paul's views are "out there on the fringe" and that his commentaries will be judged by voters in the November general elections.


Paul said allegations about his writings amounted to name-calling by the Democrats and that his opponents should focus instead on how to shrink government spending and reform welfare.


Morris and Paul are seeking the 14th Congressional District seat held by Greg Laughlin of West Columbia. Laughlin lost the Republican primary to Paul, a former congressman and the Libertarian Party's 1988 presidential candidate.


Paul, writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, reported about unspecified surveys of blacks.


"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action,"Paul wrote.


Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people."


Citing reports that 85 percent of all black men in the District of Columbia are arrested, Paul wrote:
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.


Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."


A campaign spokesman for Paul said statements about the fear of black males mirror pronouncements by black leaders such as the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who has decried the spread of urban crime.


Paul continues to write the newsletter for an undisclosed number of subscribers, the spokesman said.


Writing in the same 1992 edition, Paul expressed the popular idea that government should lower the age at which accused juvenile criminals can be prosecuted as adults.


He added, "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."


Paul also asserted that "complex embezzling" is conducted exclusively by non-blacks.


"What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn't that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?" he wrote.


In later newsletters, Paul aimed criticism at the Israeli government's U.S. lobbying efforts and reported allegations that President Clinton used cocaine and fathered illegitimate children.


Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.


Relaying a rumor that Clinton was a longtime cocaine user, Paul wrote in 1994 that the speculation "would explain certain mysteries" about the president's scratchy voice and insomnia.


"None of this is conclusive, of course, but it sure is interesting," he said.



Link: http://www.chron.com/content/chronic...5/23/paul.html



WTF? How can he say they don't have "sensible political opinions" just because they don't agree with him.



I mean, of course they're not going to agree with him about the end of welfare because they rely on the welfare whereas he is rich enough that he can afford everything himself.

He just lost my support.



P.S Sorry if this story is old.

Now im voting for him, fuck you niggers

Your location is Australis...unless you have US citizenship.

And I saw that article in the past....someone should ask him about that

I'm probably voting for him or for Kucinich 2008

EDIT: and I'm black

None of what he said is really that racist at all. I especially love this one:

Ron Paul says this and everyone screams "OMG RACIST!!!11"

But no one cares when politicians say the same thing about Middle Eastern men and that they should be profiled against

Anyway, he's stated that someone else actually wrote that and it was incorrectly attributed to him. He's also spoken out strongly against racism.

Besides, if this is all the dirt that can be dug up on him, it's nothing compared to the other candidates. It's really quite a stretch.

What can you dig on Kucinich or Gravel?

Kucinich is a nutjob who among other things wants to ban all handguns.

I don't know much about Gravel. He hasn't said or done anything too outstanding, so I haven't given him a look. But a middle-of-the-road candidate would sure be nice to have.

Patience, my son.

It's not that unbearable for Totse and some message boards...

Not true! I have yet to see Cboys post childporn.

Whatever happened to that guy anyway?

EDIT: Oh yeah, the whole racist thing.

Is he really? That could've been taken horribly out of context, so I can't really form a conclusive opinion at this time.

That's a shame, he seemed like such an otherwise intelligent guy.

Well, at least he won't be able to act on his racism as president, congress and the supreme court would never let him.

Shucks...

Racist? Really?

Damn.

Considering the rate of posting?

Oh well.

LOL!

He would Spam HB with that sometimes, right?

Some thought he was banned (one of the many times) he came back as "lollercoaster" then was banned again and never came back (or at least didn't reregister and/or use any other socks)

Some said he was Omar Abd Al-Quadi (or some derivative of that name; sometimes including "Aludin")

He still likely posts or something....

some guys said that someone else wrote it for him; that it was ghostridden....

Thats what it says on wikipedia, but you never can tell with the internet.

It wasn't the racist part that bothered me, as it wasn't completely racist.

It was the part where he completely dismissed other people's political opinions and ideas. It's as if he completely refuses to acknowledge the existence of 'leftist' ideas such as the welfare state.

He recognizes the existence of, and debunks those ideas frequently.

Lame guys, lame.
Besides a guy who has the philosophy of "leave everyone the hell alone" wouldn't really do anything bad. A politician who doesn't want payrises all the time and likes balanced budgets is rare as hell, don't throw them down because someone manages to spin one of their comments to mean something ridiculous.

This needs to be quoted for being unfortunately true.

As he should. I don't want to pay for poor, lazy fucks anyway. We already have more welfare than is necessary- it wasn't a system meant to last this long anyhow.

Who gives a fuck? This one goes out to all the appologists, and "victims":

Is it somehow illegitimate to acknowledge statistically factual trends? Upper and middle class black people need to quit fucking whining, and more importantly, pussy whipped white people need to quit encouraging it and doing it for them.

If there's a glass ceiling, it's because everyone knows white people will rob their own mother. Who wants the baggage that goes with "black community" culture and shit like "brotha, and sista"? "OK, hows the Sprite campaign going in Detroit? We put a bottle in Snoop's hand, hows the vending response?" "Excuse me, but am I the only one who considers it immoral to be marketing sugar water to such a "low-income" demographic?"

Followed by a "WTF" silence with glares at whoever the fuck suggested they allow the negro on the board.

Even middle class blacks tend to have this attatchment to their "roots" and this race identity bullshit. Who knows when they're going to snap and have an identity crisis and show up to a board meeting dressed like some rasta motherfucker jamming to drum circle music on their iPod?

Dave Chappelle anyone? Motherfucker freaks out because he get's TOO successful and goes on a crack binge or some shit, then puts out a "block party" movie. Just to show he's still "in touch" with his demographic.

As if the dumb niggers questioning your, or Obama's "blackness" are going to be convinced by that shit. What? I can't say "nigger"? Fuck you! I'll say whatever the fuck word I want, and you are a dumb motherfucker for expecting that card to never expire. Quit expecting others to carry your emotional baggage just because you scream the loudest. Queue the "blackface"-esque loud fat black women stereotype. Get the fuck off your high horse because every fucker here knows you need a stool to get in to the saddle.


Closing arguments: Asian Americans.

Slavery? That shit was what? 200 years ago? Try 50 for the WWII japanese internment camps. The difference is, Asians didn't make yakuza railroad workers their role models and make non-success part of their racial cultural identity.

Equal rights? How bout equal rights to fail you dumb motherfuckers! Affirmative action? What is that shit? As if there aren't white trash communities which are just as fucking pathetic. You think poverty doesn't cross the race line you racist pieces of shit? Are you proud of the fact that your ghettos come with drive bys and gun violence? Make up your mind on what your point is, because the appologist viewpoint is just one big contradiction. You're equal, or you need help. There's no white conspiracy. Just the baggage that goes with your race's failure to get over itself. You either identify yourself as "black" in which case generalizations are fair game, or you are an individual, in which case you have to reject this concept of being a member to the "black" community. Reject the values, or the individuality. You can't have it both ways. You're trying to play both sides, and it isn't fucking working. I'm not the one dreaming this shit up! This "character" is portrayed in every racial comedy out of Hollywood. You claim to reject it, but this shit sells to the dumbass white's who claim to be your advocates, and the dumb failures who you want to identify with.

Asshole appologists like Al Sharpton get propped up by your race's victim mentality, and respectable people like Bill Cosby and Morgan Freeman call it as it is. You've got a cross to bear like everyone else. EVERYONE is sick of the fucking whining.

All I can say is... Holy Shit!! This thread seems to have hit Oday at the heart. Jesus Christ man, pull yourself together.

I just had something to say. The fact that some limp dicked tosser tried to discredit Ron Paul with such a fucking weak scandal was just an oppurtunity.

To thread starter:
Talk about walking on egg shells. If that's the best you can come up with, and are offended by that quote, you seriously need to reevaluate you views on racial politics, because anyone with a pair must think you're a blithering idiot.

My ONLY problem with blacks is racial politics. They are on average fucking TOOLS to the political machine. The dems buy virtually an entire demographic's vote with some empty promises, some opiate social programs, and a couple PR shots posing with black children and smiling black professionals. "Happy to serve Masta" tone. It's disgusting.

Best post EVER.

Ok.....


My big question...is so fucking what?

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=147050

That's so disappointing. After I saw him on the Daily Show, I thought he would be alright as far as being a Republican.. but I guess not. Although, some of his points are.. more or less.. kind of true, despite the racist connotations.

Is Gravel that old guy from Alaska? He's a fucking retard. He hardly says anything, and then when it's his turn to talk it looks like he's been sleeping for the past decade and just woke up to form an opinion on the spot. I don't know how he made it this far. Maybe he's actually smarter than he looks on TV, but just like Nader, he's never going to win. He's not presidential material.

Anyway, I doubt Ron Paul wrote that, if he did, so what. We all have our racist streaks. Doesn't really make a difference though, for this election you might as well write the candidates on a pair of dice, cross off Hillary, and roll 'em.

So you're problem is what? He has the balls to acknowledge as a matter of fact what you admit yourself but want to prance around for fear of being accused of being offensive?

Don't fall for the shit-tests, stand your ground, and you'll be surprised when the sky doesn't fall down on your head.

The entire premise that Blacks are unified in believing whites can't say nigger, support affirmative action, and blame everything on the white man is absurd, yet white people are constantly running around scared the racist sky is falling because they've never even had a real honest conversation with a black man on the topic where they didn't Beta up, seek rapport, and supplicate. The honesty has to come from you, because you're just another uncomfortable with race white boy until you throw this "anything but a racist!" bullshit out of your mind. If you give off vibes of "please like me black man, so I can add another black friend notch to my not-a-racist belt, they'll sigh on the inside, play the role of MLK just like you expect of them, and they'll have no respect for you as just another white guilt burdened missing the point racist.

Heard of Ebonics! That's the language made from the remnants of old African languages

The Black Man rebuilt a language from the remnants of the languages THEY stole from them

WTF man LOLOLOLOLOLOL

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Their 'roots' are WHO THEY ARE. EVEN MIDDLE-CLASS Afro-Americand speak decent AAVE often.

But LOL man

Err....

Let's see his speaking style. In Alabama he sounded like :he was from da hood" (someone made a negative observation about that; people were mad that he pretended to be a 'black' black man)

[quote]I can't say "nigger"? Fuck you!/quote]

You're GAY

Err...then I can say "cracker" and "konkey" and "redneck"

Shit, Caucasians don't have many good insults for them...well there's calling them "cold-blooded snakes"

SO they can call out their penis size and your penis size in insults

You're right; the Black Panthers and Malcolm X did it and they were fucked over by COINTELPRO

No; this difference.

Asians has nearly full rights and got their fucking reparations form the United States.

Asians didn't have theer culture symsetamitacally (damn spelling!!) demolished OVER 200 years; Asians kep their culture.

Oh, nice shot at Rap. Caucasians enjoy it as well as Afro-Americans.

Rap showed the peoples' anger at the system; NWA'a album "Straight Outta COmpton" (especially the song Fuck the Police) is an examplr

They weren't discriminated against and they were the guys attacking Afro-Americans, AND "the white man" has been in control of the fucking world!

Oh; and I acknowledge Class War

[quot] You think poverty doesn't cross the race line you racist pieces of shit? [/quoe]

There's a fuckload less 'White' ghettos then Black Ghettos and they didn't have to deal with CIA crack

A result of the.................300 years of oppression!!

You can't shoot someone in the kneecaps and bitch that they can't walk

OR BOTH!!!!

You know; just because people are 'equal' does not mean that they don't need assistance.

Europe got fucking assistance (err....more of aid to Capitalism but still) after WWII,

CIA Crack, COINTELPRO, etc say otherwise...

SWF, you're a tard.
Blacks in the US could pick their sorry asses up and get to it (most have) if they wanted.

Don't blame crack, whitey or whatever. In the end each person is responsible for what they do. Don't want to be a crackhead? Don't smoke crack. Don't want to end up in jail, don't be a criminal fuckstick. Simple huh?

The race card is the yoke that holds "the brothaz" down.

O RLY, cretin

What, you mean the Black Panthers and Malcolm X?They got off their asses and the were harassed by the pigs due to it.

Even though it is the source.

Ignoring the whole they didn't know Crack's influence

Ignoring the piece of shit laws that exist. Legalize a shitload of things, and that statement is more true..

I wonder how that happened with Katrina...

There were some stupid crackers out there with those stupid niggers, you know.

If they'd got off their asses, paid attention to the news that a hurricane was going to hit them and turn NO into a big puddle that was broadcast for about two weeks prior, and got on the bus out of there, they would have been fine.

Assuming they OWNED CARS and COULD GET TO BUSES, WHICH THEY COULD NOT.

That's why many had to stay; they didn't have cars and couldn't afford to move.

http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline

EDIT: assuming the official story behind the flooding in many places too,,,..

HA! A bunch of murderers are your favourite example of blacks "picking themselves up"?

Who cares about them not knowing. If you're silly enough to try "da new drugg, Dawg" you deserve all you get.

Katrina? As I recall those that had the problem were those who thought staying in a city that is mostly BELOW SEA LEVEL without sufficient preparations. Do you like the kind of person who thinks that's a smart idea? I don't. There was plenty of warning that a big ass storm was coming.

They could walk, jackass.

If your life is in danger, but you are too fucking lazy to save it, you get what's coming to you. Pick up the phone and call a fucking friend or cab. You're just full of BS if you don't believe those people could somehow get to the superdome, but not on a bus. And those who stayed in their homes were even dumber.

Try 40.

This is older than Moses's steamy dumps. And it's been healthily debunked for about as long as it's been around.

Those "murderers" who protected their community from Police Aggression

Ignoring that they were in poverty, the 60s and 70s showed fhat any attempts for them to get up would be oppressed by the government, etc.

In that desperation they tried to sell crack to make money.

Yeah, and the mayor of NO asked for buses among other things so that they could evacuate.

You're full of shit.

What, you're saying GRANDMOTHERS, on wheelchairs could "Walk" out of the city?

Fuck you.

SO you're saying people who asked for help, which the fucking existence of FEMA is TO HELP PEOPLE IN DISASTER AREAS (at least officially...) asshole isn't supposed to do anything?

That's what you're saying. Now, they weren't "fucking lazy"

Assuming people HAD friends and/or could afford a Cab. Considering the rates to pay in-city how much do you think It'll cost to go across towns?



Ignoring that there were supposed to be buses going into the city for exacuation; something that didn't happen. You know, FEMA not sending buses in.

Ya know, the SuperDome and post-Katrina NO wasn't full of Grandmas. It looked like a bunch of able-bodied gangsta thugs killing and stealing plasma TVs.

Why do you seem to hate our government so much, but you expect them to do so much to save a handful of people who were apparently so houseridden they couldn't call a taxi two weeks in advance? How do you think these people got by before the hurricane?

In your unrealistic quest to blame everybody BUT the blacks for their problems, you come up with ridiculous BS like this. I guess I forgot about Bush's magic hurricane machine that heat-seeks the members of the black race who have done their best to pull themselves out of the pit whitey has dug for them...

http://www.alternet.org/story/40443/

Heard of "wealth redistribution"

I never said I "hated" the government, did I

um....people noticed the hurricane was going ot hit ~3 days in advance actually.

They didn't drive everywhere, methinks? They could (And did) walk to most places...

Don't get me started...

lol niggerz.

Yes, I have. It's a euphemism for stealing.

Care to elaborate? That sounds more like the civil rights movement.

Thank you for not accusing me of racism once. It's nice to have this conversation without it degrading to name calling.



As far as "nigger" is concerned, I don't care what racial slurs you say or use. Cracker or otherwise.

Now, if you directed "cracker" at me with the same hatred a klansman puts behind "nigger," I'm going to respond to the intent.

There's nothing magic about racial slurs. If they act as a psychological trigger to emotion, that is a bad habbit on the part of the person being triggered. Yes, an understandable one, however only as understandable as the individual's treatment throughout life has been exceptional from normal.




White people aren't immune from crack and regardless of the intention of the CIA, I know more white crackheads than I know sober white people. I seriously doubt that the drugs were smuggled in to the country for the sole purpose of keeping the black man down as their impact is hardly isolated.

Whatever reason the CIA had was economic, and the decision to use the black neighborhoods as the dumpsters was more likely motivated by a "Rat Park" realization that black neighborhoods would be the best locations due to poverty, rather than as an extracuricular racially motivated extersion from maximum efficiency in the execution of their mission.

"Why did you send the drugs to Compton? Our anylists clearly told you that Pennsilvania was the ideal location to distribute!"

"Sir! I wanted to preserve the sanctity of the disproportionately white state of Pennsilvania, so I dumped the shipment in Compton with the niggers!"

"Good thinking my boy!"

or...

"Where do we expect demand will be highest?"

"Sir! Studies indicate that the poorest neighborhoods will have the highest rates of addiction. We suggest Southern California. We've gone ahead and crossed out the few white neighborhoods. We felt that this lowered the odds of public outcry in the event of the program being discovered."

"Fine. Make it happen. We need to keep these shipments moving at 1000 kilos a week."

All of this aside, a crutch is exactly that, and expecting better is much more effective at getting the disabled to rise up and exceed expectations, than a soft voice ever will achieve. If you think the black race has been handicapped, then the best solution is exactly what I propose. No special treatment, and they will be motivated to close the gap.

As far as preserving their culture, that's fine with me. It's one thing to preserve culture and to appreciate where you came from so long as you do not let it interfere with your progress WHERE YOU ARE. It's a matter of utility that social norms among whites are respected. I'm a social chameleon and blend in where-ever I am.

Blacks seem to be so insecure about losing their identity as a people that they feel like it is somehow a betrayal to their race to do as is expected of EVERYONE and check their heritage at the door and BLEND IN.* Beyond that, someone who DOES is treated like a traitor and called shit like "Oreo."

*(Race is a topic that makes people uncomfortable, and going out of your way to highlight the fact that you are black incase anyone forgot is insecure, and self destructive. Not because whites are racists, but because race is a retarded ass discussion, and racial pride is one step below racism in the same way that patriotism is one step bellow nationalism. It beg's the question "If you're proud to be X, does that mean you are proud NOT to be Y?" Where as, doing what's socially acceptable and ignoring race avoids the problem entirely.)

WTF is that? White people are the problem, yet a black man who's running for president is given the cold shoulder by his own people. Then black people bitch that there's never been a black president!

That crosses me as FEAR that they are running out of excuses and might actually be expected to stand on their own two feet. <- I think this is the REAL core of the issue, and it is the reason why continued "tolerance" in the lack of intolerance is a plague to your race and the most detrimental influence blacks face.

Blacks at one point were held back, then they weren't, and now they are clinging to the excuses because it's easier to be a victim than a failure.

Former slave states simply instituted new black codes which allowed them to throw thousands of blacks in prison labor camps for petty crimes with disproportionate sentences. And of course Jim Crow laws.

It's just not accurate to act like blacks had it all fine and dandy after the civil war - Never mind that they were still being enslaved in prison labor camps legally under the 13th amendment.

As far as class war, I agree. There is one, and there always will be. It's intensity follows the wealth gap.

Divide and conquer. The entire race debate is being fueled by the upper class to keep white poor people voting republican, and black people voting democrat to neutralize eachother's votes.

That's why divisive shit heads like Al Sharpton are being propped up.

Truth hurts.

That's disturbing. I wasn't aware of that.

I appologize as I was probably a little over the top with the tone of my original post.

Damn... I never thought about it that way.

+1 for awesomeness.

Proof that no one cares about the original topic quotes because they are such a non-scandal?

This "news" has yet to have been seen outside this thread.

heh...weird given you went off haha

Err...the psychological trigger comes from 300 years of oppression, slavery, etc...

If it wasn't used like that for so long the trigger wouldn't be there.

That was the main rallying cry of many groups in the 1960s: "THEY CALLED US NIGGER"

Remember what Muhammed Ali said when he went to jail to avoid the draft? "Ain't not viet cong called me nigger"

But there is a difference between Nigger and Nigga. I have no problem with that, but some might and I disagree with that. Nigga is a term for friendship, and I believe all races should be allowed to say that.

Yeah, the Drug War is in many places racist, at least back then and in many areas it is somewhat, but the Drug War is a load of general moralist bullshit, not just racism I admit.

Of course, they did it to fund all their secret shit like the Contra affair and all their other black budget shit.

I find thst hard given what the FBI did with COINTELPRO, and the racism inherent in the system. Reagan's program cuts and shit is a prime example.

And Poverty was a result of segregation and racism in the first place.

Not to mention the whole Gentrification process, devalue property making it easier to buy and take up, take over and build more expensive housing.

LOL

Yeah, they didn't care about Afro-Americans haha.

Yeah, they would have addiction rates high because they were repressed by activities like COINTELPRO in the 1960s and 70s, which was FBI yes.

And there are some other things the CIA did..

But why weren't any poor Caucasian neighborhoods given crack?

The CIA had knowledge on Crack's effects. It's known that the Police were racist in Los Angeles, something that led to the Rodney King uprising.
"Fine. Make it happen. We

LOL....what, leave them to die. Oh wait, history shows that they'll do that (example Katrina).

Oh, and as H a r o l d said, there's the Black Codes and Chang Gangs that lasted until the 1960s.

An the other things

You're lucky man, I suck at that. I'm so weird

A natural example of centuries of being forced to give up their race.

I thought patriotism is simply being proud and glad with your nation, while nation is the rabid World War I and 2 starting variety.

You like something more than another. You like Chocolate Pie, but you like Vanilla more often (or some variety)

They're afraid that he is half Caucasian, isn't an descendant of slavery (so there's a little foreigner issue), was not raised an Afro-American environment and therefore does not have a strong knowledge of community issues.

Well, they claim that.

I don't know of many who do that..

I bitch that he might be a mainstream, centrist guy who doesn't do radical liberation from Moralist Bullshit, isn't very pro-gun, supports nuking Iran and supports Israel, etc......

I haven't heard much on Space Exploration or Environment either.... Or 9/11 truth and other things

Maybe no one mentioned them to him so....

Ehh, maybe that's random shit I bolded so...

People do stand on their 2 feet now; they mainly ask for Reparations. That's mainly it, and affirmative action to make up for said centuries...

Not necessarily...many are improving actually and doing good jobs, so that doesn't work.

Katrina. What did Kanye West say?

I bet you that in 1 year if Paul gets up there someone will use it....I bet you FOX would, even though Paul is running as a Republican

lol crackerz

Have a small dick? Don't worry, I'll satisfy your girl while you're frustrated. I'll even give you sloppy seconds to give a good attempt.

heh..

You're a little pre-occupied about other men's dicks don't you think?

SWF does love to talk about penises. Think he might be compensating?

I'd rather not think about it if I don't have to. I'm pretty sure that no one will ever find out for sure :P

Hm, yes, the government just said "fuck you". The generations of welfare money, FEMA's classic bureaucratic relief effort, etc.

Now, I'm actually posting from South Louisiana because I'm in the area on business, and I was talking with a guy who said that National Guard guys were under commands to kill every black guy with a gun. That's disturbing, sick, and wrong...but that was after the fact. Plenty of government money went to black people in New Orleans before Katrina.