Why is religion so bad?

if religion causes genocide, war, hatred, racism, subjugation of women and close-mindedness...if religion lies to people and scams them out of there money...and so on and so forth, why does everyone on totse hate it? i thought you guys admired that sort of thing.

What if, say christianity, was an intentional hoax to fuck over the world? Wouldn't then you think Jesus was the ultimate totsean?

[LiquidSniper]

cuz u tuch yerselph @ nite

[Habanero]

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

Religion itself is not so bad, rather it is evil leaders and mindless sheep who are really evil.

Originally Posted by Habanero

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

unless the totsean himself is doing the controlling...

[LiquidSniper]

Originally Posted by Habanero

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

which is why some pple have a difficult time with some mods... >.>

[Habanero]

Originally Posted by charizard

unless the totsean himself is doing the controlling...

So then they have fun with that.

edit: lawl @ above ^^

[Rolloffle]

Notice how all the people who say religion is bad are worthless hippies, stoners, and "scene" kids who will never amount to anything?

I think Christianity is great. God does lots of cool stuff for me.

Originally Posted by Rolloffle

Notice how all the people who say religion is bad are worthless hippies, stoners, and "scene" kids who will never amount to anything?

I think Christianity is great. God does lots of cool stuff for me.

seirously? should i trust u....ur rep is bad. u must be yanking my leg.

[The_Infamous_Mobb]

religion keeps stupid people in check.



people who believe they are smart seem to realy hate it.



Intelligent people don't give 3 fucks about what the rest of the world is doing. If you don't like it thats tough. Don't be a dumb fuck about it and leave people be.

I really have no problem with religion


just with the people that think that everyone should believe it and hear about it


if you wanna practice yourself go for it, but when you come to my door

que deicide, kill the christian

[Rolloffle]

Originally Posted by charizard

seirously? should i trust u....ur rep is bad. u must be yanking my leg.

Don't trust me, or anyone else.

• Read the bible
• Find out who the atheists are near you
• Do your own research...

You'll see that I'm right.

[KING G]

Originally Posted by charizard

if religion causes genocide, war, hatred, racism, subjugation of women and close-mindedness...if religion lies to people and scams them out of there money...and so on and so forth, why does everyone on totse hate it? i thought you guys admired that sort of thing.

What if, say christianity, was an intentional hoax to fuck over the world? Wouldn't then you think Jesus was the ultimate totsean?

Good point.

[KING G]

Originally Posted by charizard

seirously? should i trust u....ur rep is bad. u must be yanking my leg.

You're a fag, your rep is lower than his, your grammer is worse than his, your point is 10 times worse than his.

Religion is just another way to separate you from him.
To make conflict, etc.
Fuck religion

EVERY religion.

[DA]

Originally Posted by moss2455

Religion itself is not so bad, rather it is evil leaders and mindless sheep who are really evil.

Best post in thread.
{DA}

[Fallen Angust]

Originally Posted by charizard

if religion causes genocide, war, hatred, racism, subjugation of women and close-mindedness...if religion lies to people and scams them out of there money...and so on and so forth, why does everyone on totse hate it? i thought you guys admired that sort of thing.

What if, say christianity, was an intentional hoax to fuck over the world? Wouldn't then you think Jesus was the ultimate totsean?

Its sooooooo bad cause humans made it up just out of pure fucking boredom, or lack of common sense.

Originally Posted by Habanero

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

Originally Posted by charizard

unless the totsean himself is doing the controlling...

Indeed.

Originally Posted by KING G

You're a fag, your rep is lower than his, your grammer is worse than his, your point is 10 times worse than his.

aw hot cute ^__^ someone has a crush teehee.

Originally Posted by Rolloffle

Notice how all the people who say religion is bad are worthless hippies, stoners, and "scene" kids who will never amount to anything?

I think Christianity is great. God does lots of cool stuff for me.

Jesus thinks you're a jerk.

Religion discourages people from finding answers to questions themselves. It encourages them to believe that they already have the answers and to shun those that disagree. The time has long since passed for that childishness.

Originally Posted by Rolloffle

Notice how all the people who say religion is bad are worthless hippies, stoners, and "scene" kids who will never amount to anything?

I think Christianity is great. God does lots of cool stuff for me.

I thought only God is supposed to judge people. If youre really a christian, you would think of those people as Gods children and would be kind to them and show them the light right? But you call them worthless and try to put yourself above them by saying they wont amount to anything. Well...you just revealed who you are in a small group of words and now noone can benefit either way from your mindless ranting. Good job.

Indeed. Atheists who think religion is harmful are as diverse as, well, atheists in general. I'd also point out that Richard Dawkins, Carl Sagan and others are brilliant scientists, about as far from whiny emo kids as one can get.

Originally Posted by Surak

Religion discourages people from finding answers to questions themselves. It encourages them to believe that they already have the answers and to shun those that disagree. The time has long since passed for that childishness.

off-topic question, not really trying to imply anthing:

inorder for you to believe say...the nature of a chemical reaction, would you only believe it once you conducted the expirement yourself, or would you take a chemistry book's word for it.

Originally Posted by Habanero

Religion is a system of control.

So true

[Dark_Magneto]

Organized religion is not just a system of control, it is the system of control. It's a poison for your mind. It's like Dr. Strangelove said about doomsday devices. The entire point of it is to tell everyone and produce a fear of doing anything that would trigger it. That's what religion essentially is, on a psychological level.

It's so great because once you get past the initial indoctrination, it's autonomous. The people do the policing to themselves. They just need the occasional reminder to remain on track, which is why we have churches, moswues, synagogues, and all other manner of ecclesiastical institutions

It's so great in fact that there are other systems of control build upon the initial system of control that is organized religion. Just look what it's done with politics, for instance. Vote Republican or you're going to hell.

Originally Posted by Rolloffle

God does lots of cool stuff for me.

No, I'm responsible for all the good things that happen to you

See? You can't disprove that either but it's easier to believe God does it than I. Somehow it's ridiculous that I'd have magic powers to do such things with but it's plausible if some magic man who has never ever manifested himself in any way does it

Originally Posted by Habanero

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

flood control man, gotta hate it...

oh and if you can't figure out that religion is a hoax then you're the kind of people it keeps in check. Totse is about the truth and if you can leave the forum everyday just a bit smarter, then totse still has a definitive purpose. And the truth is, religion is for idiots.

[AngryFemme]

Originally Posted by hoaxe

Totse is about the truth

Arguable. Totse is about truth-seekers, collaborating together in a big pot of Truth Stew which threatens to boil over at any given second.

[Clifford the Big Red Bong]

Originally Posted by charizard

if religion causes genocide, war, hatred, racism, subjugation of women and close-mindedness...if religion lies to people and scams them out of there money...and so on and so forth, why does everyone on totse hate it? i thought you guys admired that sort of thing.

What if, say christianity, was an intentional hoax to fuck over the world? Wouldn't then you think Jesus was the ultimate totsean?

i thought you were going somewhere intelligent at first.

in any case i feel all religion is stupid. all have their good points, but i feel they all take away from why we are truely here.

but then again believing in a religion may be part of the reason you personally are here at this time, so i dont know, its not really doing any harm outside the middle east so its all good

It's not so much religions themselves but the people who propagate them. Often they try to rid the world of different religions. Also many crimes against humanity are done under the guise of religion. The crusades weren't about religion, they were about control and power. The popes wanted more power over the Kings, and engaging them in a "holy" war would help bring about the conditions for them to gain more power. The whole catholic church structure was pretty fucked up. The bloodlines of Roman Senators and Catholic Popes were one in the same. The only reason Christianity became so popular anyways was because Emperor Constantine realized an alarming portion of Rome, especially the military was Christian. He was essentially playing to the crowd to make sure he would retain his power and it also gave him "reasoning" for any major decisions he'd want to make.

My major beef with Christianity is that it was forced upon so many people and often destroyed their cultures and religions (see Europe, South America, and these days.. Africa). Though these types of areas end up having the most sensible forms of Christianity, compared countries which were Christian from the start (say Scandinavia compared to America).

Besides that, often religions core beliefs are in conflict with reality. Christianity just plain reeks of egalitarianism which is in complete opposition of nature (see natural selection). Sorry kids, we aren't all equal. This even shows within the christian church itself. If man was created equal than why are priests, popes, cardinals, etc in positions of power?

Also, point of view a lot of religious people have that bothers me is that they think one cannot be spiritual without also being religious. This is just completely false. It's also disheartening how many religions go unmentioned in favor of only listing the Judeo-Christian (this includes Islam) and Eastern religions. You never see Odinism, Zoroastrianism, Hellenic Polytheism, Satanism, Sikhism, etc on surveys and what not.

Originally Posted by AngryFemme

Arguable. Totse is about truth-seekers, collaborating together in a big pot of Truth Stew which threatens to boil over at any given second.

agreed - mmm truth stew...

[Prometheum]

Originally Posted by AngryFemme

Arguable. Totse is about truth-seekers, collaborating together in a big pot of Truth Stew which threatens to boil over at any given second.

The pot is boiling over constantly. And I would say a lot of totseans don't actively seek the truth, a lot just defend their truths and seek to expand the reaches of those truths. Trueborn Vorpal is a good example of the firsts, NS&H is a good example of the second.

[AngryFemme]

Originally Posted by zik

If man was created equal than why are priests, popes, cardinals, etc in positions of power?

Man may be "created" equal, but I'd venture to guess that the equality ends just as soon as they slip out of the birth canal and begin vying for their place in the world. Whether it be the mother's breast milk and undying affection, or the respect and reverence of their peers in later years - man will seek to gain as much notoriety as possible, using whatever means necessary to position themselves in a state of power. Priests, popes, cardinals and ministers are no different in that aspect than politicians, professors or corporate CEO's.

He who possesses the most ability wins. Being in a position of authority in the church allows them to serve their god to the utmost of their ability, while still feeding the pulsing powertrip that puts them "above" others.

It seems to me like this process is necessary, because for every man who resists being reigned over, there are likely hundreds of others who prefer having some sort of leadership authority to guide them in the right direction. And what better way to inch yourself closer to a seemingly untouchable, unreachable God than to obey the rules set forth by his appointed flesh-and-blood minions?

Originally Posted by zik

It's not so much religions themselves but the people who propagate them.

From my point of view(being an atheist). The people who propagate them, are the religion.

let's split human history into three parts :
1- we were animals
2- we were animals but we were getting intelligent
3- we are still animals but can now actually think and effectively use reason

now it's this:
in part 1 we invented religion to explain the uenxplainable
in part 2 we accepted religion because we were haunted if we didn't.plus the common human didn't have time o think or speech freedom
in part 3, religion is a mind control for a lot of people, but some of us (many already) actually realized it was just bullshit