Why would any sane person regard what what one puts in one's own body as anyone's right but their own?

Heres another one, why would anyone not consider taxation armed robbery? I was always taught by my parents to not take other people's stuff, but it's OK for Das Gubbernment? WTF?

This nation has gone to the dogs, or more precisely the neo-cons.

Aww did your drug dealer not answer his phone. Poor widdle baby. Don't worry, that's because he's getting assfucked in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

Blah blah blah drugs should be legalized so I can sit on my fat lazy ass all day long and leech off my parents and not work a single day in my life.

Taxation is admission. The IRS are bouncers. The fucked part is that you can't just renounce your citizenship to avoid jail.

If you want to legalise pot that's one thing, but forget the hard drugs. We don't want to have to support you when you can't hold down a job after turning yourself into a drooling vegetable on heroin, or clean your corpse off the street once you've o.d.'d, or try to find a proper home for your illegitimate children once your neighbours discover you've been forgoing the irritation of feeding and clothing them in order to conserve money for your next crack buy.

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All of this already happens. If prohibition was abolished, we could save trillions of dollars, cut the crime rate by more than half, and greatly decrease the size and power of government.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no pothead. I don't even drink very often, and I think drug dealers are scum. But there's no reason we should keep wasting trillions of dollars enforcing prohibition laws that have no benefits whatsoever.

In principle, surely it's up t people themselves what they put into their bodies?

but in practice.... i think weed, and the less physically damaging psychedelics- if its as, or less, dangerous than alcohol, then allow it. I know comparisons between drugs are difficult, especially with psychedelics, as they may do mental damage.....but I'm sure it can be done.

Legalization or decriminalization?

take a look at countries that have dont make drugs illegal like Holland or Amsterdam and compare virtually every statistic to that of the united states concerning dependency, abuse, teenage use etc. Look at our correctional system all bogged down and overcrowded with drug offenders. And youre paying for inmates to live there on their lazy ass all day long with your tax dollars. Yea we all know who benefits from americas "war on drugs". Theyre all in bed together. Judges, cops, attorneys, drug clinics, anything legal system. But its ok to feed americans prescription drugs to benefit peoples health that have far worse side effects than marijuana. Marijuana is natural. If you dont do drugs thats your choice, just realize that the fact that drugs are illegal is where the actual problem lies.

You never fail in any of your posts to show the rest of us how ignorant you are.

Ok heres the deal, pot shrooms alchol and other mid level drugs that only effect the body in a moderate degree should be legalized, thougn I hear ya i feel all drugs should be legalized but that wont happen, anytime soon anyways.

But these low lvl drugs that dont effect one such as heroine and or crack or other drugs should be legalized its only rational, but the goverment is gonna make more money busting you per time vs selling to you.

I mean hey you get a joint for 5 bucks a 8th for 20, but if i bust you i get 400 for court cost 1000 for court fines and services. it seems that as long as our goverment enacts the laws that have fighting the "drug war" even with them spending the amount of money they do preventing drug use they will make more money busting you then they can selling the drugs, i mean if thats not the reason why then Ill promise drugs would of been legalized by now


cause you are right who cares what one does to their own body, but when u harm yourself and i can make money from it then for sure im gonna make it illegal

I didn't realise that these kind of events didn't occur already.

I suppose it's kinda how everyone turned into an alcoholic who couldn't hold down a job and required government support once prohibition ended.

That's like saying if we made everything legal the crime rate would drop to zero. Well no shit! There wouldn't be any laws to break!

I do get what the rest of your post said though, and agree, but that piece was just silly.

Amsterdam is the capital of Holland you stupid fuck.

You know, if all drugs were legalized, a lot of the problems you mentioned wouldn't exist.

If heroin were legalized and the social stigma about it was removed, a heroin addiction would be about the same as caffeine/nicotine dependence. An addict would be able to take maintenence doses during the day, to keep them from going into withdrawl but not getting them "fucked up".

Of course, there will still be overdoses, but if all drugs were legal and therefore regulated by some sort of agency, users would be able to take accurate doses, instead of having to deal with products that have been cut. Most heroin overdoses occur when a user gets a much purer product then they are used to, but without having an accurate way to gauge their dose, take too much and OD.

But of course those dirty addicts will still be robbing and stealing to afford their next fix, right? If all drugs were legal, they could be heavily taxed, and still be cheaper then they are now. Due to drugs' illegality, the black market is forced to raise prices.

Legalizing drugs would reduce strain on our already suffering prison systems, raise the quality of life for people who spend much of their money on drugs, and in addition to all this, meshes nicely with the Constitution's guarentee that we have a right to the pursuit of happiness.

Alternatively.. shoot all addictive drug users and those who sell addictive drugs. Thereby removing the problem from society.

Just an idea.

Come on, pot could be taxed, giving more money to the government... It could be restricted to a certain age... it's less dangerous than alcohol. It's a lot less dangerous for driving. I think it should. It's not like i'm having trouble finding it, though.

There's nothing silly about it. When was the last time you heard about alcohol dealers getting in shootouts over "turf" to sell beer on?

Prohibition greatly increases the crime rate, and I'm talking violent crime, etc., not just "drug crime".

Prohibition doesn't work.
All drugs, and prositution should be legalized.

But if nothing more is done, the mafia will just become a legitimate industry. The money will go to a few people, just like now. And those people wil be able to advertise on tv to sell there drugs! It won't help

And I don't a my surgeon to operate when on heroin, nor when he's in need of heroin. Drugs, even if responsably and legally used, destroye the brain and intelectual capacities.

This is why I want drugs to be legal AND to be sold ONLY by the goverment. Make it a state business who's profit go directly to some social program to help junkies. The drug's quality can be controled, no acid battery or arsenic. It's actually harder to get cigarette ar alcohol when you're under 18 than it is to get pot, shrooms, or LSD.

A tight control should be made. Each time you buy drugs, you have to show ID and it's recorded in some kind of record. I think it could be acceptable to ban certain people to use drugs... like specialised doctors, policemen, people who's intelectual performances saves lives. And if necessary, check these people regularly.

My logic for prostitution is this one: Take the crack whore and turn her into a prostitute. If prostitution is exclusiv to the government, there'd be a bettre age control. No whore-beating pimps. The girls would get protected and would have the right to refuse some clients. It would make things a little more descent. I know people who were prostitues, under aged prostitutes... and if prositution would of beeing legal, they lives would of been VERY different... for the better, I assum.
Again the profits should go to help the "retired" or recovering prostitutes.


I'm not a socialist hippy! I don't believe that everything wrong would go away If there are the right social programs.
Things right now are bad. Letting capitalism run free in the drug business won't be a lot better. Law's can always be used to make lot's of money on people's back. People would still be exploited and their lives ruined... partialy by there fault, becaus they choose to take drugs. But the corporation would help them get worst, would abuse them.
The cigaret industry researched ways of making cigarets more adictive... it's a suttle form of slavery. (Yes, I think the cigaret industry should belong to the government)
I think a tighly controled "vice" industry could be the best thing.
The organised crime's main source of funding is drugs and prostitution. Gang live thanks to crack and whores! Legalise it and they are screwed!

Are you assuming I didnt know that? Im pretty sure Amsterdam is the place where they started serving marijauna in "coffee shops" and one could purchase it legally. I added the specific city to emphasize my point in case one cares to research what I was talking about. Youre just an opportunist waiting to jump on someones arguement with a petty "stupid fuck". Does that make you feel like a big man? Ill tell you what you are besides a bitch. Youre a fucking fag.

Who says the government has to take care of everyone? The government worked just fine w/o a federal income tax (other than the civil war) before 1916. Anyway, I'm sure private companies would fill the niche left by the government.

Btw everyone I vary rarely drink, and have only smoked pot once upon which I found it didn't do anything for me. Its about pursuit of happiness rather than what the nanny state thinks is good for you, [/]sarcasm{like cigarettes}[/sarcasm]

Execute drug users, legalize murder of large families. We'll rebuild the economy by creating jobs. I've got dibs on executioner.

Money shouldn't be taken from people who do work to pay for the support of drugged-up fuckups or to pay often-corrupt cops to fail at preventing the drugs from getting there.

Drugs should obviously be legalized as there are absolutely no benefits from it. The "Drug Problem" is prohibition, not the drugs themselves.

You are a complete retard.

Saudi Arabia?

the creator of this thread is a little shit.

Retard? Or genius? Don't bother, you'll get it wrong.

Legalising drugs wont take the problem away, people will still do them. The government needs to take a moral stance on things like this. Keeping drugs illegal does put the money into the hands of drug dealers but I bet there are some people for whom the governments stance is more than enough to keep them away. People who experiment a few times are less likely to continue if the product remains illegal, why do you think there are more alcoholics than there are smack or crack heads when the latter 2 are easier to take (chasing a dragon is less time consuming than downing 10 pints of beer)? No responsible government could put addictive narcotics in a shop alongside alcohol and tobacco. you cant let a 19 year old walk into a corner shop and buy crack.

And while it (theoretically) should be your right to consume what you want, most drugs can have effects on the person that spill over onto other people. Its bad enough that working people have to pay tax to support people whose only concern is loading up on their next hit, it would be worse doing it as part of a government endorsed policy. It is a shame that the offshoot of this stance is putting money into the hands of criminals, you cant aim to eradicate crime simply by making crimes a legal pursuit (make everything legal and thered be no 'crime' within a week).

To liquid:

What makes you think it is a problem if people do drugs? It has potential to be a thriving industry if it were legal. And what you said about tax money going to support addicts, I think people accept responsibility for any problems that arise from drug use and if they can't afford food because they spend all their money on smack, then let them starve.

Most criminals are drug users that is why, it is the same with tobacco, alcohol, prescription drugs, you name it. One common ignorant thought about drugs is that they are somehow different from the legal drugs, that they somehow force the user to commit crimes. That is just ridiculous. Alcohol was made illegal because many people were irresponsible about their usage. It created gang crime, gangs getting rich off the massive profits to be made, and massively overpriced alcohol. It was legalized because the majority of the population were drinkers, and all the crime it was creating was not worth it. Illegal drugs on the other hand, were just starting to get popular in Western Society, so the government thought it could get rid of the drug demand by scaring people away from drugs with propaganda. Did not work. Today, drugs are still a big part of society, mainly because they are illegal. Drug prohibition is the greatest cause of crime in United States history. Gangs getting in shootouts over "turf" to sell their drugs, drive by shootings killing innocent people, innocent people killed by police in misguided drug raids, drug users stealing to support their massively overpriced habit, corrupt cops making money off of the same drugs they confiscated from the "criminals", the list goes on. People CHOOSE to do these drugs, it hurts nobody but themselves. The only reason drug users turn into criminals is because buying drugs means associating with criminals(usually), and when the black market prices are astronomical, it is very hard for people to support a habit with a regular job. Another ignorant thought is that legalization will somehow increase the number of addicts. How many people do you know who want to do crack, heroin, meth, but is just waiting for the laws to change? There are many responsible drug users(go to BLTC).But why should drugs be illegal to stop people from doing what they CHOSE to do? The people who do them KNOW it is bad, but they CHOOSE to do it anyhow. What business is this of yours? Making it illegal only creates unneccesary problems involving imprisoning innocent people, easier access for children, etc. etc. People try to control other people's appetites by legislation because it is "bad" for them. They know it, they choose to do it because they enjoy it. So close your blinds, put down your binoculars, and leave me the fuck alone. It's all so simple, drug prohibition causes way more problems than it could ever hope to solve.

Bump.

Drugs are legal. You just need a prescription for some of them.

I'll let Ron Paul do the talking, because this clip is fucking hilarious: http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

"...saying some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and make you a better person. That is a preposterous notion, it's never worked, and it never will. The government can't make you a better person."

Then he owns the shit out of the guy bitching at him, who's a little chubby:

"They can't make you follow good habits. Why don't they put you on a diet? You're a little overweight. And I think you'd be in better health."

It's funny I got modded down for being satirical by someone who I most likely agree with. I could mod down in response but I'll be the mature one.

For the record, I've never modded anyone down except in response to being downmodded. I turn the other cheek more often than I return fire.

That's why I'M hot.

Holland or Amsterdam. Hmmm...