ok im a junior in high school but im only 16
17 in sept
well anyhow
i really love my lil kids
i swear ill be a pedo
but cmon
therye young and tight
and so fucking easy!!
i swear more than half of my friends on myspace are 8th gfraders
and i fucked 4 of em
and they dress so slutty
god.boner alert
anyhow
what should i do to them=]
like any ideas?

Stick it in all their poopers.

Raaape.

Or tell them to stop saying "like" between every two words

I am wondering, would a pedo group ever work out?

Like, if all the pedos got together and worked towards our goal of sexually enlightening young people, would there be any internal problems?

I realize it would greatly increase our chances of being exposed to the community, but I believe if we all take it seriously, we can succeed undetected.

8th graders are just so delicious. Budding breasts poking through their shirts. Perfect skin, mmmmmmmmmmm.

how old is an 8th grader?

13/14

How is a 16-17 year old still in junior high?

Reading comprehension FTW.

A JUNIOR in HIGH SCHOOL

Reading comprehension FTW.


OMFG.....i red this like 2 minutes ago, and im still laughing. PirateJoe, you just made my night.

Lol, i'd fuck a girl who was 13 or 14 probably if they were hot... but i don't see a lot of younger girls i really want to fuck.

Raise your hand if you've had a 14 year old.
I was 17 and a half and she was almost 15, so meh.

I know a lad who calls the hot group of 8th graders "my 8th graders" he's very territorial about his women's.:D

I am wondering, would a pedo group ever work out?


It's called the Republican party

HIIIIIII-OOOOOOOOOO

It's called the Republican party

HIIIIIII-OOOOOOOOOO

I believe that is a +1.

Now I wish I had a clutch of 8th grade fuck buddies :(

Super Adventure Club, GO!

I am wondering, would a pedo group ever work out?

Like, if all the pedos got together and worked towards our goal of sexually enlightening young people, would there be any internal problems?

I realize it would greatly increase our chances of being exposed to the community, but I believe if we all take it seriously, we can succeed undetected.

Actually...

...while most paederotic action groups are more politically- and liberation-oriented, I believe the kanalratten of germany successfully ran a fair bit of... ::ahem:: "intergenerational direct action"... as part of their revolutionary operations... I think...

...could be wrong. krummel13 also was rumored to give advice on carrying on, err... "intergenerational direct action"... while on probation or parole, I think.

...most, however - PLF, PNVD, IFRF, LRF, PIE, CZG, etc - tend to be more along the lines of radical revolutionary groups, than, well... radical sex orgies. Perhaps this is what has held them back in attaining social and political change?


8th graders are just so delicious. Budding breasts poking through their shirts. Perfect skin, mmmmmmmmmmm.

Heh.

...gotta love puffies... ;)

8th graders with budding breasts? What the fuck country do you live in, Asia? By 8th grade, most of the girls have at least b-cups and a furry cooches. I don't get statutory laws at all. Pedophilia is fucked up...screwing 13 and 14 year olds is not.

OMFG.....i red this like 2 minutes ago, and im still laughing. PirateJoe, you just made my night.

i made your moms night.

P...W...N...3...D

don't fuck them just let them suck your dick. That's my rule. I got a bj a couple weeks ago from a 15 year old with black girl lips. It was so good and it wasn't even illegal (in canada). Don't fuck them though because thats a whole nother division of possibility (Older brothers finding out, legality, blah blah). Most 14 year olds are pregnant around here anyways and that's just plain wrong.

You are a douchebag shithead and I would willingly kick your ass should I ever see you.

Hell, I remember my younger brother (14 at the time) getting some pictures from a girl we found out was TWELVE at the time. It made me question a lot of the conditioning I've gotton on this. She was fucking hot. She had good tits, was definitly sexually mature, yet, for some reason, its totally wrong for me to want that? If she was willing, I totally would have hooked up with her, even knowing her age. If that makes me a pedo, then fucking brand me, but I dont' see anything wrong with consensual sex between any ages.

ok... 12 is where u need to draw the line

ok... 12 is where u need to draw the line

Twelve months is the new "18?"

Well... ::looks at the crib across the room longingly:: ...I guess true love could wait a year...

Twelve months is the new "18?"

Well... ::looks at the crib across the room longingly:: ...I guess true love could wait a year...

fucking golden

Fuck 13/14, 16/17 ftw

The law is the same for anything from kissing, fingering, touching breasts, hand jobs, blow jobs, sex and every other form of sexualized physical contact.

8th graders with budding breasts? What the fuck country do you live in, Asia? By 8th grade, most of the girls have at least b-cups and a furry cooches.

These girls would disagree with you.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7261/smooshloreszu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8231/13yearoldsgs6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9008/sammyandindias13th011lt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Personally, I dont find any of those pictures sexually arousing on their own. It all depends of the girl and the situations in which you are viewing her.

Girls who have already learned to be sexual from their peers and parents, and flaunt this sexuality in front of your eyes, knowingly teasing you, become near irresistible.

GTFO if your not gonna contribute.


These girls would disagree with you.

Personally, I dont find any of those pictures sexually arousing on their own. It all depends of the girl and the situations in which you are viewing her.

Girls who have already learned to be sexual from their peers and parents, and flaunt this sexuality in front of your eyes, knowingly teasing you, become near irresistible.


I've seen really hot 8th grade girls around where I live and alot of them sleep with alot of guys.
And alot of them have big boobs and some have nice buts and such.
You just got to find the right girl.


Just fool around with them.
At the least you gotta feel them up.

These girls would disagree with you.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7261/smooshloreszu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8231/13yearoldsgs6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9008/sammyandindias13th011lt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Personally, I dont find any of those pictures sexually arousing on their own. It all depends of the girl and the situations in which you are viewing her.

Girls who have already learned to be sexual from their peers and parents, and flaunt this sexuality in front of your eyes, knowingly teasing you, become near irresistible.

Girls around here learn to use sex like guys learn to use violence to get what they want. You'd think everyone would win but they just end up getting pregnant and the dads gotta sell drugs or work security. I swear to god girls have offered me blowjobs for cigerettes and I've turned them down everytime because it just seems wrong. Young girls are more impressionable too and easier to get in their heads.

And the age of concent in canada's 14 isn't it?

The &TOTSE Sex and Affection Elite Pedophile Group. Or, NAMBLA.

And the age of concent in canada's 14 isn't it?

Yes. As long as you aren't in a position of trust, and the person isn't dependent on you for housing/food etc, you can fuck all 14+ year olds you want.

I am wondering, would a pedo group ever work out?

Like, if all the pedos got together and worked towards our goal of sexually enlightening young people, would there be any internal problems?

I realize it would greatly increase our chances of being exposed to the community, but I believe if we all take it seriously, we can succeed undetected.



try calling the National Storage of Psychologically Conditioned Children

tell them you want to work for them

they will send you a new child every month for you to do whatever you want with

and the great thing is you don't have to worry about them running away or telling anyone because they think whatever you do to them is for their own good

One of my teacher has a daughter who's 12, and I swear she looks like she's 15/16. I never remember girls looking as mature as she does. Seriously, she is the definition of jailbait. But hey, if there's grass on the field, play ball. Or if there isn't, just play in the mud.

I suggest staying out of there pussys. Everywhere else is ok.

Good luck having anal sex with a 12 year old and getting away with it. My friend did it once, but the girls anus was nearly destroyed. Shitting blood for days. The odds of the girl not telling someone about it or having their parents find out is very very slim.

Pepsi's better than Coca-Cola. Seriously, it is. IMHO, anyway.

dude im in 11th grade in high school lmao
but like theres an 8th grade hallway in my school for some reason and i just chill there and hit on the girls
and occasionally feel em up
oh haha me and my mates on my wrestling team wait till practice and go into the hallway and jerk off in the girls lockers hahaha
my schools basically filled with pedos
and im like the king of em i guess cause i have some lil kid porn i put up on the walls in school but yea
we should get a group here on totse for pedos =]

You're definately at the same maturity level as grade 8s. I'm stilll around grade 7.

ok im a junior in high school but im only 16


Wait, only 16?

I'm a senior and 15. :/

8th graders=yummy!

my schools basically filled with pedos
and im like the king of em i guess cause i have some lil kid porn i put up on the walls in school but yea
we should get a group here on totse for pedos =]

I thought that group was called... &totse? ;)

Anyways - mad props on pr0n-bombing your school. It may not be the safest thing to do, but damn... mad props. Fight the system.

If they promised me kiddie porn everyday, I would never have missed a day of high school.

There are tons of hot looking 8th graders around my area. A lot are well developed and look like they are at least in 10th grade. I have seen some at the middle school here that I could swear would be there only to pick their younger brothers or sisters up.

i fucked my ex girlfriends sisters
too bad she was 13 and 11
but she had c tits and the other had like b i guess
they were great to play with
so oh well

It's called the Republican party

HIIIIIII-OOOOOOOOOO

+1

schar

Oh, so everyone in this thread (except me) is a pedo.....

[moralist bs]SICK FUCKS[/moralist bs]

Just had to say that.

Ahh...the joys of the internet...

Speaking of age, say you are 16 and a junior (like OP) how low (or high) would you go.

i dont even know any 8th grades
how/why the fuck are you friends with so many?

up their ass...69 them, anything...

The great thing about 8th graders is you dont need to get them drunk,just hold out a cookie:D

i hangout in therye hallway haha
and like whistle at em and shit =p

i hangout in therye hallway haha
and like whistle at em and shit =p

i thought you were in high school....
somethin aint addin up here....

i thought you were in high school....
somethin aint addin up here....

our school has the 8th grade hallway connected to the freshman hall cause the elementary and high school connect mate

Good luck having anal sex with a 12 year old and getting away with it. My friend did it once, but the girls anus was nearly destroyed. Shitting blood for days. The odds of the girl not telling someone about it or having their parents find out is very very slim.

lol i havent acutally really lol'd in awhile. awl man thats fucking gold

lol i havent acutally really lol'd in awhile. awl man thats fucking gold

r@ygold, considering the thread.. :D

i should just rape one
shit half of them tryed sucking my dick alreadyy

Yeah wolf go get that sheep.

I am wondering, would a pedo group ever work out?

Like, if all the pedos got together and worked towards our goal of sexually enlightening young people, would there be any internal problems?

Here's what would happen:

8.32am
knock knock

erm, who's there?

FBI you paedo fuck!
*door splinters as battering ram is applied*

/\/\/\/\

FBIz in ur threadz, stealing ur ipz

LOL Y U ARREST ME

haha they cant do shut unless they have proof i did anything
and we can talk bout this shit on here
freedom of fucking speech
ill blow em away if they say i cant talk bout young pussy!

ALL FUCK THE YOUNGINS =D

Padme: "Obi-wan showed me the holo. You fucked everyone in the Temple, even the younglings"

Anakin (well, technically Vader now): "I did it for you, Padme. We can rape the galaxy together and make it right. I can assfuck the emperor"

Eh, not exact quote from ROTS....

Padme: "Obi-wan showed me the holo. You fucked everyone in the Temple, even the younglings"Anakin (well, technically Vader now): "I did it for you, Padme. We can rape the galaxy together and mke it right. I can assfuck the emperor"Eh, not exct quote from ROTS....

lmfao to that mate=]
i love tasting young cunt
mhm
and therye just developing too =p

Here's what would happen:

8.32am
knock knock

erm, who's there?

FBI you paedo fuck!
*door splinters as battering ram is applied*

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5813/1180183796511010me5.jpg

lmao haha theres a lol

lmfao to that mate=]
i love tasting young cunt
mhm
and therye just developing too =p

okay, we get the point. Be careful, as the MAN could consider that self-incrimination....

Now:

Darth Dickious: "The time has come, commander Sucky. Execute Order 69"

Sucky: "Yes, Lord Dickious"

SUcky (to AT-TE pilots): "SCREW HIM"

*AT-TEs shoot at General Oh-Yeah Fuckome*

The General wasn't hit by the shots, but the concussions and shit threw him over a ledge and into water*

AHAHHAHAHA thats almost as bad as being a pedophile
lmao funny shit man

As crappy as this thread has gotten, I'd like to see 8 pages out of it, just for the significance. lol jailbait

This is TOTSE!!!!!!!!

What do you expect?

AHAHHAHAHA thats almost as bad as being a pedophile
lmao funny shit man

Thank you, sir.

*bows*

theres so many pedos on here
they just dont check topics much *cough
and no problem haha

ill change the topic

whats the highest youve jerked off to kids in a single day?
mines 7

I believe Kenshin Kid was into the kiddy pr0n quite a bit.

I may not be a pedo, but i do find a girl in grade 9 pretty fucking hot. I'm waiting until she's in grade 10 to do anything, though. I'm in grade 10 right now.

Edit:
There was a time on totse where this thread would be closed due to terrible grammar.

fucking tard
your like a year ahead of her.
shit ive dated 12 year olds and im 16 lol
go for it now before shes taken/or turns into hardcore slut
god man

I like little girls

Not really little though

freshmen? 8th graders? chyeah.

whats the highest youve jerked off to kids in a single day?

So, I'd just finished smoking a phat-ass blunt, right, when suddenly I logged on to the 'net and started huntin' for loli.

...I was pretty high.

Half your age, plus seven.

...What has &Totse come to?!

Fuck off maybe? Don't speak of Totse like you know all the rules that members should abide by. That totally defeats the purpose of the website. We fuck who we want, when we want.

Fuck off maybe? Don't speak of Totse like you know all the rules that members should abide by. That totally defeats the purpose of the website. We fuck who we want, when we want.

right on mate
id buy you a lil 12 year old for ya
but i dont have 30 cents at the moment
lol

we do what we want
WHEN WE WANT
this is fucking totse dude

So the minimum age for a 12 year old is 13? But then the 13 year old can't be dating the 12 year due to that rule.

GLITCH IN THE MATRIX!!!

So the minimum age for a 12 year old is 13? But then the 13 year old can't be dating the 12 year due to that rule.

GLITCH IN THE MATRIX!!!

All that means is they shouldn't be dating.

And, for christs sake, it was a fucking joke.

I'm surprised no one said it earlier. That's something &Totse is famous for, along with "molotov everything", "huff raid", and "murder/suicide".

Apparently you fucks don't know the classic &Totse repsonses. Go jack off to your jailbait porn and go back to fucking 12chan.

Half your age, plus seven.

Huff raid. :p

Huff raid. :p

Touche'

Apparently you fucks don't know the classic &Totse repsonses. Go jack off to your jailbait porn and go back to fucking 12chan.

Sorry retard, I have been here since well before all those things. Only noobs think Totse is about catchy phrases and bel-airs. The core of Totse is discussion. The good members have open minds, and meaningful posts, not regurgitated shit posted in every thread that they didn't even make up.

13/14

13 y/o ? That's fucking sick! You disgust me fucking pedophiles! (not you H4T3)

Die Pedo, Die! Atleast they should be castrated and tattoed so anyone can recognise them.

Sorry retard, I have been here since well before all those things. Only noobs think Totse is about catchy phrases and bel-airs. The core of Totse is discussion. The good members have open minds, and meaningful posts, not regurgitated shit posted in every thread that they didn't even make up.

Your words exactly:

"Don't speak of Totse like you know all the rules that members should abide by. That totally defeats the purpose of the website."

Right, and you have the power to tell me what &Totse is for.

Go fuck yourself.

This is a public thread, I'm on my handle, and I'll post whatever the fuck I want.

You're taking this way out of proportion. I posted that because it's a fucking JOKE. It's on a public thread which means, sorry, but it's not directed to just you.

You've been around long enough to know this is how shit works. If you don't like my posts, then DON'T FUCKING READ THEM.

Next time you even think about countering me, atleast put some logic behind your bullshit, or take it to Bitch and Moan.

Your words exactly:

"Don't speak of Totse like you know all the rules that members should abide by. That totally defeats the purpose of the website."

Right, and you have the power to tell me what &Totse is for.

Yes, I do have the power to tell you what totse is for, because obviously I am not a fucking idiot like you. Nobody gives a shit where you posted. It wasn't a funny "joke", it was stupid.

How am I supposed to know if I like your post or not without reading it? You are talking to me about logic, but where is the logic in that? Its another dumbass thing people on the internet post that makes no fucking sense at all.

Come up with your own shit to post, instead of just spewing out tired sentences stolen from others.

13 y/o ? That's fucking sick! You disgust me fucking pedophiles! (not you H4T3)

Yeah... 13yo's pretty fucked up. It's starting to develop fur, which is a little sick. Ever get a hair caught in the back of your throat?

Exactly. Go with the 3yos. Not only is it easier on the gag reflex, and therefore far less sick than dating people with two digits in their age... but it's much closer to babysex, which legions of the /b/rotherhood of loli sciences have determined to be, in fact, awwwwight.

Die Pedo, Die! Atleast they should be castrated and tattoed so anyone can recognise them.

I dunno... Pious XI did this great thing with funny little hats with his hatred of the jews. Paved the way for the German national socialist regieme, and charming individuals such as yourself... but nazi germany didn't have funny hats. Which is far less cool.

Considering your strong biases on the matter, I suggest that your most desireable course of action would be murder/suicide. Without the murder. Of course, by "desireable," I mean "beneficial to the gene pool," but that doesn't mean you can't make it fun. You could wear a funny hat!

Restore the honor you have taken from your country by the shame of your existance. Do the right thing.

Yeah... 13yo's pretty fucked up. It's starting to develop fur, which is a little sick. Ever get a hair caught in the back of your throat?

Exactly. Go with the 3yos. Not only is it easier on the gag reflex, and therefore far less sick than dating people with two digits in their age... but it's much closer to babysex, which legions of the /b/rotherhood of loli sciences have determined to be, in fact, awwwwight.



I dunno... Pious XI did this great thing with funny little hats with his hatred of the jews. Paved the way for the German national socialist regieme, and charming individuals such as yourself... but nazi germany didn't have funny hats. Which is far less cool.

Considering your strong biases on the matter, I suggest that your most desireable course of action would be murder/suicide. Without the murder. Of course, by "desireable," I mean "beneficial to the gene pool," but that doesn't mean you can't make it fun. You could wear a funny hat!

Restore the honor you have taken from your country by the shame of your existance. Do the right thing.

kids in general are great to fuck
and to that dumbass ass above if your going to argue about what we post then why waste or fuckign time
were going to post what the fcuk we want when we want
end of story

young girls are great,easy,and you can always go back for more =]

IEdit:
There was a time on totse where this thread would be closed due to terrible grammar.

I small bullshit. Look at the front page. Jeff placed the fucking first amendment on purpose...

I'm surprised no one said it earlier. That's something &Totse is famous for, along with "molotov everything", "huff raid", and "murder/suicide".

"Half your age, plus seven." isn't a TOTSE meme. a bunch of other forums use that saying actually.

And yes, you know murder/suicide is the answer......do some Cho Seung-Hui shit

Martyrdom haha :D

Do you remember Aludin, or the Wintermute shit, or the several TOTSE vs Rotteneggs wars

EDIT: And JoePedo (And others) IIRC The Bel-air shit was YTMND and 4chan, but TOTSE keeps it alive

Oh TOTSE..

"Half your age, plus seven." isn't a TOTSE meme. a bunch of other forums use that saying actually.

And yes, you know murder/suicide is the answer......do some Cho Seung-Hui shit

Martyrdom haha :D

Do you remember Aludin, or the Wintermute shit, or the several TOTSE vs Rotteneggs wars

EDIT: And JoePedo (And others) IIRC The Bel-air shit was YTMND and 4chan, but TOTSE keeps it alive

Oh TOTSE..

Well, yeah, half your age plus seven is used other places... But the first time I saw it was here and to me it will always be a &Totse reference for me. :D

And...

HERE HERE! We should start another war...

Yeah... 13yo's pretty fucked up. It's starting to develop fur, which is a little sick. Ever get a hair caught in the back of your throat?

Exactly. Go with the 3yos. Not only is it easier on the gag reflex, and therefore far less sick than dating people with two digits in their age... but it's much closer to babysex, which legions of the /b/rotherhood of loli sciences have determined to be, in fact, awwwwight.



I dunno... Pious XI did this great thing with funny little hats with his hatred of the jews. Paved the way for the German national socialist regieme, and charming individuals such as yourself... but nazi germany didn't have funny hats. Which is far less cool.

Considering your strong biases on the matter, I suggest that your most desireable course of action would be murder/suicide. Without the murder. Of course, by "desireable," I mean "beneficial to the gene pool," but that doesn't mean you can't make it fun. You could wear a funny hat!

Restore the honor you have taken from your country by the shame of your existance. Do the right thing.


The fact that people are evil does not justify evil you ridiculous bastard. Goddamn, how can you not see the evil in taking advantage of a child, a baby no less? For what? Sexual whims. Woo hoo. What does that bring you? Meaning, happiness, satisfaction?

All it does after the initial pleasure is leave you emptier inside than it did before. Then in the desperate hope to fil lthat void you become sicker and more depraved.

The innocent...pedophiles harm and prey on the innocent.

You know this to be wrong and your only defense in all this is to deny your shame. Get help. And hope that just one truly righteous man never finds out.

Well, yeah, half your age plus seven is used other places... But the first time I saw it was here and to me it will always be a &Totse reference for me. :D

And...

HERE HERE! We should start another war...

heh...

And I'll see what happens with a debate between 'TruthWielder' and 'JoePedo'.

I'm too lazy to get involved in this yet so....

*watches*

The fact that people are evil does not justify evil you ridiculous bastard. Goddamn, how can you not see the evil in taking advantage of a child, a baby no less? For what? Sexual whims. Woo hoo. What does that bring you? Meaning, happiness, satisfaction?

All it does after the initial pleasure is leave you emptier inside than it did before. Then in the desperate hope to fil lthat void you become sicker and more depraved.

The innocent...pedophiles harm and prey on the innocent.

You know this to be wrong and your only defense in all this is to deny your shame. Get help. And hope that just one truly righteous man never finds out.

Evil?

Innocence?

What do you know of evil and innocence?

The fact that people are evil does not justify evil you ridiculous bastard. Goddamn, how can you not see the evil in taking advantage of a child, a baby no less? For what? Sexual whims. Woo hoo. What does that bring you? Meaning, happiness, satisfaction?

All it does after the initial pleasure is leave you emptier inside than it did before. Then in the desperate hope to fil lthat void you become sicker and more depraved.

The innocent...pedophiles harm and prey on the innocent.

You know this to be wrong and your only defense in all this is to deny your shame. Get help. And hope that just one truly righteous man never finds out.

How can you be sure they don't enjoy it or dislike it, the same as they would when a mother caresses them in their arms?

There are case studies of mothers having orgasms during breast feeding of their children. Does that mean it is sexual assault on an innocent baby?

I am a fairly attractive young man, so I would expect my lover to be as well, but aside from that I wouldn't mind if any woman I wasn't related to touched me when I was a child/baby.

Violent rape is a completely different thing, and I do not approve of that in any way. But simple physical contact is only wrong because you want it to be.

I have never seen anyone provide actual reasons which should make someone believe touching a child sexually is wrong.

I would be more concerned if someone raised their children in a household of smokers. That has actual provable negative side affects.

And you are wrong, I am not emptier, because I eat a sandwich afterwards.

BTW, streetjustice (and others) I was wondering, can you post some of those studies?

Do you use Kinsey as a source?

http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/breastfeedingeroticism.html

Masters and Johnson talk about the eroticism of breast-feeding and the arousal that results in women:


“Women often become sexually aroused during nursing; some women even have orgasms in this fashion. Erotic arousal in this context can create reactions ranging from pleasure to guilt or fear. Interestingly, Masters and Johnson(1966) found that women who breast-feed their babies have considerably HIGHER sexual interest in the first three postpartum months than women who do not.”(Masters, Johnson, Kolodny, “Human Sexuality”, 1982)


Expert on childhood sexuality, Floyd Martinson, further elaborates on the physiological effects of breast-feeding and the possibility of both mother and child experiencing orgasm from it:


“The physiological responses to orgasm and to lactation are closely allied in nursing mothers. Uterine contractions occur during suckling and during sexual excitement. Nipple erection occurs during both. The observed increase in nipple length due to stimulation may lead to more effective suckling and even more stimulation for mother. The degree of milk ejection appears to be related to the degree of sexual response for some for some nursing mothers has been observed to occur during sexual excitement with an adult partner as well as while nursing.


“For some nursing mothers the nursing experience itself is sexually stimulating enough to carry them to the plateau level of sexual excitement and in some cases even to an orgasmic response(Kinsey et al. 1953; Masters and Johnson 1966). Some mothers experience serial orgasms and then drift into a refreshing slumber(Yates 1978). Regarding a baby’s physiological sexual responses to breast-feeding, babies possess a capacity for oral orgasm, a quivering of the lips and tongue in connection with breast-feeding followed by relaxation of the face into sleep. Oral orgasm can be frequent in occurrence during breast-feeding(Baker 1969). Baker observed that oral orgasm does appear to have a sharp peak similar to the genital orgasm during puberty.”(Floyd Martinson, “The Sexual Life of Children”)


Sheila Kitzinger, a world-renowned sexologist, affirms that breast-feeding is a sexual experience which has an “intensely sexual quality” which embarrasses and distresses some women. She elaborates on the complex emotions experienced by the mother:


“And here, too, reactions vary. One woman delights in the unexpected sexuality of breast-feeding. Another shies away from it because its sexuality confuses her and she feels that two ways in which she uses her body, which ought to be kept completely separate, are getting mixed and confused. This may even bring a sense of moral outrage and revulsion from physical contact with the child, as if the baby is responsible for seducing her.”(Sheila Kitzinger, “Woman’s Experience of Sex”, 1983)


Thus, despite what the puritanical moralists may say, mothers do derive sexual pleasure from their suckling child and breast-feeding is the first, and universally approved, sexual interaction between mother and child.

*bookmarks page*

thank you, sir. +1 rep to you.

How can you be sure they don't enjoy it or dislike it, the same as they would when a mother caresses them in their arms?

There are case studies of mothers having orgasms during breast feeding of their children. Does that mean it is sexual assault on an innocent baby?

I am a fairly attractive young man, so I would expect my lover to be as well, but aside from that I wouldn't mind if any woman I wasn't related to touched me when I was a child/baby.

Violent rape is a completely different thing, and I do not approve of that in any way. But simple physical contact is only wrong because you want it to be.

I have never seen anyone provide actual reasons which should make someone believe touching a child sexually is wrong.

I would be more concerned if someone raised their children in a household of smokers. That has actual provable negative side affects.

And you are wrong, I am not emptier, because I eat a sandwich afterwards.

Case studies and your personal opinion does not nullify perversity in incestual or pedophilic sex. Btw I wasnt saying that a 100% consensual pedophilic relationship is necessarily wrong or harmful (though I've never seen a true exception). I mean that pedophiles take advantage of children, plain and simple. There is no doubt about that and that is undoubtedly wrong.

In relation to your feelings about being touched by a woman as a baby...shit man, I wouldnt complain myself. But remember here, we are speaking from personal opinion as consenting adults. Children are unable to fathom these types of choices or the dimensions they bring in regards to emotions, sex, and they are blatantly unable to process them due to their obvious and apparent immaturity.

I never said physical contact is wrong. Dont assume.

I've provided my reasons and you kinda dont make sense anymore. Do you mean if the child consents to be touched sexually? Well sure. But in his own house by his family? Eh? Wtf?

Yeah, smoking concerns me too. And sandwiches are tasty.

The fact is, it's impossible for a child to truely consent. They don't thave the brain power to make that choice.

If you take a Psychology course, you'll learn that a child's brain matures in staged... And for most children they don't become fully "consious" of their world until around that age of 14...

That means, that because only one party... the Adult... is the only one capable of making a consenting choice, while the other party... the Child... cannot, it is RAPE. Plain and simple.

There are many, MANY studies showing how it may not traumatize them at first, but could ultimatly fuck them over.

r@ygold can be a good source. If you have seen any of the "vicky" videos, you could say she "enjoyed it" (I think that's the right ones...). Now, you look at her today and she is speaking out against pedophilia. I have not seen the videos myself, but I have read what she has published against it. She did not know the significance of what she was doing when she was what... 9? Now she does, and wants to stop it from happening again.

The sources are out there, I don't really feel like finding that article right now, but the fact that "you would of enjoyed it when you were young" does not mean others would. It's no one but their choice to make when they are capable of making it, until they are old enough, they deserve to have a clean slate.

You guys are making consent and age seem like it means something. It doesn't. If I raise a child in a certain way from birth, he will have no more an idea of what sex is at 18 years old than when he was 1 years old.

He has a fully mature brain, but still, has no idea what sex is, if it is right or wrong, if it is supposed to feel good etc. Can he still give consent? Why or why not? Would you really consider it rape if I touched an 18 year old boy who said "You can have sex with me", not knowing what it meant?

If he likes it, is it then justified after the fact? If he hates it, does that make it wrong? Am I taking advantage of the fact that he doesn't know what sex really is?

What is different between a child and this young man I have raised? They both have the same knowledge of sex. Heck, the child may even know more. Why is an 18 year old with no idea of positives and negatives surrounding sexual contact legally and morally allowed to give consent, and a child not?

It doesn't make sense to me. Like, I have to sign documents all the time, allowing people access to very personal data about me, which could be abused. Do I understand what all those documents mean when I sign them? No. Most people don't. But we sign them anyways, because the man in the suit tells us to.

The only difference will really be a minor knowlege of masturbation and wet dreams really.

Wtf No.

Unless you raised the child in the closet, they will know more about sex then a 1 year old.

The large part about this is the social aspects of it. The 18 year old boy, although not knowing the definition of sex itself, would still know the social impacts it makes. They would know how much it can effect a life, and the lables it can bring once you take part, etc.

Unless you raised the child in the closet, they will know more about sex then a 1 year old.

The large part about this is the social aspects of it. The 18 year old boy, although not knowing the definition of sex itself, would still know the social impacts it makes. They would know how much it can effect a life, and the lables it can bring once you take part, etc.

That is fucking ridiculous. You said it was about consent, not social repercussions. That is even easier to discredit than consent. And no, the boy would not know anything of cliques, sluts, name calling etc. Fuck. Are you stupid or something? How would it have any social impact at all? How would the boy know of labels? How would he know how it can affect life?

If you were brought up on welfare, without ever hearing negative things about it, would you still know in your mind that some people consider welfare to be for "losers" and "failures"? I sure as hell didn't. I thought the food bank was something every person went to occasionally, and every family collected welfare every now and then.

That is fucking ridiculous. You said it was about consent, not social repercussions. That is even easier to discredit than consent. And no, the boy would not know anything of cliques, sluts, name calling etc. Fuck. Are you stupid or something? How would it have any social impact at all? How would the boy know of labels? How would he know how it can affect life?

If you were brought up on welfare, without ever hearing negative things about it, would you still know in your mind that some people consider welfare to be for "losers" and "failures"? I sure as hell didn't. I thought the food bank was something every person went to occasionally, and every family collected welfare every now and then.

We're just argueing semantics now. I said that to descredit your example. The fact is, you cannot have sex with a 1 year old child, and expect everything to be ok.

That's the bottom line. What I am stressing is; even if, at the time, they have no idea what's going on, or 'act' like they enjoy it (and yes, I say 'act' because that's all they are capable of doing at that age) they will learn one day how significant what happened can be.

Now, if you want to start your own 1984 culture, where you control every social aspect of sex, then by all means go try. But in this day and age, society will let that child know that when you fucked them when they were 12 months old, it was wrong. That is why the child becomes traumatized, and it was your choice that did it.

That's all I'm going to say on this subject.

The mind of a pedo is fucked up.

We're just argueing semantics now. I said that to descredit your example. The fact is, you cannot have sex with a 1 year old child, and expect everything to be ok.

That's the bottom line. What I am stressing is; even if, at the time, they have no idea what's going on, or 'act' like they enjoy it (and yes, I say 'act' because that's all they are capable of doing at that age) they will learn one day how significant what happened can be.

Now, if you want to start your own 1984 culture, where you control every social aspect of sex, then by all means go try. But in this day and age, society will let that child know that when you fucked them when they were 12 months old, it was wrong. That is why the child becomes traumatized, and it was your choice that did it.

That's all I'm going to say on this subject.

The mind of a pedo is fucked up.

So then , you are admitting, the only reason the child gets fucked up is because of people like YOU who think it is wrong for no apparent reason.

If everyone in society would praise them and congratulate them after their first time, it would be ok? Nobody would get hurt?

Like when I got circumcised at birth. I am glad it happened to me at such a young age, even though I wasn't able to consent, I would have HATED if my parents didn't get that done for me. But still, there are others who don't want to be circumcised. Why do we allow parents the right to make those decisions?

It can have just as many social repercussions as sexual contact at a young age. People will only find out, if you let them know, which is the same with circumcision. People don't just KNOW you are circumcised, same with they don't know you have had sexual contact with anyone.

You said it to discredit my example, but you actually just made it stronger. A lie that can be easily proven does not discredit anything. You need to post facts in order for your posts to hold any weight.

When it comes down to it, your whole argument is "It is wrong, because other people say it is." Does that seem like a logical reason in your mind? If everyone in society tells us to be violent baby fuckers, does that make anyone who isn't a bad person? And any child that doesn't get brutally raped a social outcast?

So then , you are admitting, the only reason the child gets fucked up is because of people like YOU who think it is wrong for no apparent reason.

If everyone in society would praise them and congratulate them after their first time, it would be ok? Nobody would get hurt?

Like when I got circumcised at birth. I am glad it happened to me at such a young age, even though I wasn't able to consent, I would have HATED if my parents didn't get that done for me. But still, there are others who don't want to be circumcised. Why do we allow parents the right to make those decisions?

It can have just as many social repercussions as sexual contact at a young age. People will only find out, if you let them know, which is the same with circumcision. People don't just KNOW you are circumcised, same with they don't know you have had sexual contact with anyone.

You said it to discredit my example, but you actually just made it stronger. A lie that can be easily proven does not discredit anything. You need to post facts in order for your posts to hold any weight.

When it comes down to it, your whole argument is "It is wrong, because other people say it is." Does that seem like a logical reason in your mind? If everyone in society tells us to be violent baby fuckers, does that make anyone who isn't a bad person? And any child that doesn't get brutally raped a social outcast?

Society chooses what's "right and wrong".

There are other reprucussions that occur. You can get a preteen pregnant. How would you like to be knocked up when you're 12? And yes, it's happened before.

You take a 9 year olds virginity, what's she going to tell her boyfriend, or husband for that matter? What if she "finds God" later in life, and the fact that you took her virginity haunts her.

The fact is, your logic only works in your mind. It's the only way to consol yourself, to sort of justify your thoughts and actions.

It's as basic as this:

YOU have no right to choose for THEM.

Seriously though, this conversation bores me. I'm sure you're going to post another reply, but it's obvious we're not going to agree. If you want to keep argueing semantics, then go for it, but I have better things to do.

Society chooses what's "right and wrong".

There are other reprucussions that occur. You can get a preteen pregnant. How would you like to be knocked up when you're 12? And yes, it's happened before.

You take a 9 year olds virginity, what's she going to tell her boyfriend, or husband for that matter? What if she "finds God" later in life, and the fact that you took her virginity haunts her.

The fact is, your logic only works in your mind. It's the only way to consol yourself, to sort of justify your thoughts and actions.

It's as basic as this:

YOU have no right to choose for THEM.

Seriously though, this conversation bores me. I'm sure you're going to post another reply, but it's obvious we're not going to agree. If you want to keep argueing semantics, then go for it, but I have better things to do.

You are completely ignoring all my questions. And what does this have to do with semantics? We are arguing completely different points here.

I can't get a preteen girl pregnant through oral or manual stimulation, so does that make it ok? I also can't take her virginity through that act, so there will be nothing to explain to her husband/boyfriend.

Finding god? Please. What young girl or boy hasn't masterbated/got drunk/took the lords name in vain/had sex with a condom or other sin in their life? God forgives.

Your logic only works in your mind, because you are scared of society. Imagine if every great thinker kept their ideas to themselves, because they were afraid of what society thought. We would still be living in the stone age.

Why should sex be a bigger deal than offering meat to a child that doesn't know about animal cruelty? Is that abuse? At what age can a child understand the thoughts and social aspects of vegetarianism etc?

And if 2 young boys start touching each other sexually, should we stop them? What gives us the right to intervene? They are making that decision completely on their own. Now, what if that same young boy starts fondling a grown man? What gives us the right to choose for them, and tell them that is wrong?

This conversation bores you because you can't come up with any unique input of your own, and you can't think of any reasonable responses to my questions.

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The fact that people are evil does not justify evil you ridiculous bastard.

So you admit that your propensity for queer-bashing is, in fact, unjustifiable?

kthxbaigtfo.

Goddamn, how can you not see the evil in taking advantage of a child, a baby no less?

http://www.justfuckingoogleit.com/?q=Man+of+Straw

For what? Sexual whims. Woo hoo.

Joy, happiness, companionship, someone to spend every day with and do everything I can do to bring the fullest and deepest happiness my mortal self can...

What does that bring you? Meaning, happiness, satisfaction?

Yes! <3

All it does after the initial pleasure is leave you emptier inside than it did before.

It didn't last night. :)

Then in the desperate hope to fil lthat void you become sicker and more depraved.

Shit... if this keeps up, I might turn ZOMG H3T3R0!! OH NOES!!!!!

The innocent...pedophiles harm and prey on the innocent.

Actually, I only boff toddlers with a criminal record.

You know this to be wrong...

Actually, I know quite the opposite.


...and your only defense in all this is to deny your shame.

...the fact that there is none makes it much easier.

Get help.

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And hope that just one truly righteous man never finds out.

It is not the righteous I fear. Rather, my concern is with those evil enough to lie to attempt to distract the world from their acts of genocide.

In the interim - I'm cheerfully out 'n proud IRL, your "O NOES KEEP IT SEKRETZ" is, umm, scaremongering bullshit, and I'm doin' just fine!

kthxhaveanicedaygtfobaibai.

heh...

And I'll see what happens with a debate between 'TruthWielder' and 'JoePedo'.

I'm too lazy to get involved in this yet so....

*watches*

...well, if he doesn't rise above sleazy attempts at straw-manning his way through bullshit, he might have a bit of difficulty. It's not like I've never done this before, on a shitload of topics...

...Me, I'm just waiting for someone to make a zoo pride troll thread... I was actually quite serious about the analysis of "divide and conquer" counterinsurgency I gave in P:LRC... :)

Well... off to the next round. Yay, discourse!! :D

And the age of concent in canada's 14 isn't it?

Nope, it's actually 18. (I am 18 and my girl is 16, so any sexual contact between us would be illegal, but in such a case all it takes is a simple checkered ring on your middle finger which you wave at that fuckin whore (Elizabeth T.) :)

Why would you want some inexperienced young girl who probaly doesn't even know how to take care of her pussy or ride a cock when there are plenty of real WOMEN out there. It seems to me that maybe you can't get a women so you go after young, nieve, gullable, girls that haven't figured out that your a loser yet

Nope, it's actually 18. (I am 18 and my girl is 16, so any sexual contact between us would be illegal, but in such a case all it takes is a simple checkered ring on your middle finger which you wave at that fuckin whore (Elizabeth T.) :)

Whoever told you it is 18 is a lier. :)

14 year olds can consent to sexual contact with anyone, any age, as long as the person isn't in a position of power/authority in their life, and the person isn't dependent on them for the basic necessities of life such as food and shelter.

Why do people always try to tell us we CAN'T get other woman, so we choose young girls? We want them, because they are more sexually attractive to us. Simple as that. No fucked up hidden reason behind it. Why do some guys like brunettes? Because they cant get blondes?

Yeah... 13yo's pretty fucked up. It's starting to develop fur, which is a little sick. Ever get a hair caught in the back of your throat?

Exactly. Go with the 3yos. Not only is it easier on the gag reflex, and therefore far less sick than dating people with two digits in their age... but it's much closer to babysex, which legions of the /b/rotherhood of loli sciences have determined to be, in fact, awwwwight.



I dunno... Pious XI did this great thing with funny little hats with his hatred of the jews. Paved the way for the German national socialist regieme, and charming individuals such as yourself... but nazi germany didn't have funny hats. Which is far less cool.

Considering your strong biases on the matter, I suggest that your most desireable course of action would be murder/suicide. Without the murder. Of course, by "desireable," I mean "beneficial to the gene pool," but that doesn't mean you can't make it fun. You could wear a funny hat!

Restore the honor you have taken from your country by the shame of your existance. Do the right thing.

I would choose murder, and I'd start with you. Funny actually you talked about honour. Since you take advantage of little kids, you have none. Let me do the USA or whatever the shithole is you may live in a big favour and extract you out of their gene pool. To be honour, I'd choose mass prosecution of pedophiles, being it national socialistic any day above letting you and your kind thouch our children with your filthy little paws and serpent tongue's.

Why spare you when you don't spare our children? Why not make you suffer, like you make them suffer?

Why spare you when you don't spare our children? Why not make you suffer, like you make them suffer?

How are they suffering exactly?

...well, if he doesn't rise above sleazy attempts at straw-manning his way through bullshit, he might have a bit of difficulty. It's not like I've never done this before, on a shitload of topics...

...Me, I'm just waiting for someone to make a zoo pride troll thread... I was actually quite serious about the analysis of "divide and conquer" counterinsurgency I gave in P:LRC... :)

Well... off to the next round. Yay, discourse!! :D

so be it. Keep on fightin' the man like Kinsey, Leary, Reich and Tesla did...

I would choose murder, and I'd start with you.

Waiting...

...waaaaiiiiiting...

Hmm. Nothing's happened.


Funny actually you talked about honour.

Nooo... funny I talked about honor with you.

Since you take advantage of little kids, you have none.

See that little green square in the upper right hand corner?

I have been given honor by the assembled masses.

See that little red square in the upper right hand of your posts?

You exist in a state of dishonor.

I know that you like spewing words that sound good without knowing what they mean... but "to honor" is, actually, a verb. Sorry.

...funny thing is, about 20% of it came from flaming you, and it came from both sides of the debate.

Let me do the USA or whatever the shithole is you may live in a big favour and extract you out of their gene pool.

STIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL waiting.

To be honour

http://www.dictionary.com/

I'd choose mass prosecution of pedophiles, being it national socialistic any day...

Your grandparents' generation is most proud that the cause they gave their lives for will never need to resurface, no?

...above letting you and your kind...

Ahh, another causation dilemna. Does a person's IQ drop ten points when they use the phrase "your kind" in a sentence, or do people start using this shit in a sentence when their IQ drops ten points?

The world may never know....

with your filthy little paws and serpent tongue's.

You forgot "slanted, beady eyes" and "buck teeth," not to mention "sloped brow."

Me? I want your jew-gold.

Why spare you when you don't spare our children?

You've bred? HOSHITE!!!

Why not make you suffer, like you make them suffer?

As the saying goes, my delusional little man...

...pics - or it didn't happen. :p

And, no... just because you are that fucking stupid, pics of someone else are not in fact relevant. Hawt, but not relevant.

Now... you learn to spell your own damn username, and I'll work on the PNVD electioneering, just to fuck with you in your own neighborhood, k? 'cause, really, animal rights aren't half bad.

so be it. Keep on fightin' the man like Kinsey, Leary, Reich and Tesla did...

I have honestly never been put in more flattering company. Thank you...

...of course, it looks like TW has left, and all that remains is to play with my K-nob. ~sigh~...

So you admit that your propensity for queer-bashing is, in fact, unjustifiable?

kthxbaigtfo.



http://www.justfuckingoogleit.com/?q=Man+of+Straw



Joy, happiness, companionship, someone to spend every day with and do everything I can do to bring the fullest and deepest happiness my mortal self can...



Yes! <3



It didn't last night. :)



Shit... if this keeps up, I might turn ZOMG H3T3R0!! OH NOES!!!!!



Actually, I only boff toddlers with a criminal record.



Actually, I know quite the opposite.




...the fact that there is none makes it much easier.



heh... we did! Now with 20% more str8 allies!! :D



It is not the righteous I fear. Rather, my concern is with those evil enough to lie to attempt to distract the world from their acts of genocide.

In the interim - I'm cheerfully out 'n proud IRL, your "O NOES KEEP IT SEKRETZ" is, umm, scaremongering bullshit, and I'm doin' just fine!

kthxhaveanicedaygtfobaibai.


Ridiculous. Youre utterly ridiculous.

- Since when have I been gay bashing? I have absolutely no problem with gay people, have many gay friends, and one of my best friends is gay. And? Dont be an idiot and pull the gay hater card on me. All that does is show you cant argue.

-No, not a straw man arguement. My one assumption that may be false is that you would have sex with minors against their will. In other words, commit a crime. If that would never be the case with you then I have little else to say. Unfortunately, children are easily tricked, manipulated, and easily toyed with and taken advantage of psychologically. That is not right. Period. And if your view of sexuality is so skewed that you thinks its more important than any other type of bond you can share with someone then your fuckin brain is skewed. Unfortunately its hard for pedophiles to think beyond those preeminent sexual cravings and actually seek connections which is what life is all about. Not getting your dick wet.

-Joy, happiness, companionship, and the realization of your potential require love, not the lusting after children. The two are not inseparable. You can love anyone. You cant fuck anyone.

-Meaning, happiness, satisfaction? If what you think of before anything else is sex then you will never find those things.

-I bet.

-Sicker and more depraved. Yes. As apposed to pyschological health.

-The fact that this means nothing to you shows what a selfish, egocentric, cunt you are. Pedohiles destroy lives and minds. And all you do is orgasm. Fuck you you heartless bastard. Fuck you.

-Yeah. Because reason is not something that you feel like listening to.

-None? Again, nihilism can only go so far. Be sad and continue on with a life lacking meaning. You dont have to search for it. You dont have to face your self and face your fears and life. You dont have to face truth. You dont...

-We? So your relationship is consensual? Can your partner even think for himself without you? Would you call this relationship one of equality? Of fairness? Of selflessness?

-The fact that there are dumbasses in the world does not make any one thing right.

-How fucking irrelevant is that? Were not talking about darfur here. There are no terrorists out to get you. You live in the land of the free. Dont fucking point to bigger pieces of shit when you still smell. Pedophilia is 90% of the time wrong. Thats just how it is. I wasnt telling you to keep anything secret and if my words scare you you should ask yourself why. In fact I hope you are out and about trying to justify yourself however you can since anything thats right shall stand and anything that is wrong will eventually crumble. Thats just the way it is.

So to conclude, I have no idea what the nature of your "relationship" is. Its obviously pedophilic but I dont say that automatically makes it wrong. However, the fact remains that pedophiles for the most part abuse children. Its a sad fact. Millions of lives are destroyed, people are traumatized, and lives are viciously warped. For what? An orgasm. Few things on this earth could be more sickly selfish and dastardly. And frankly, it doesnt seem to me like love is on your mind in reference to your "partner". If it is a consensual relationship that it. If not, God help you.

So to conclude, I have no idea what the nature of your "relationship" is. Its obviously pedophilic but I dont say that automatically makes it wrong. However, the fact remains that pedophiles for the most part abuse children. Its a sad fact. Millions of lives are destroyed, people are traumatized, and lives are viciously warped. For what?

What are your views on war? Specifically, the war in Iraq.

What are your views on war? Specifically, the war in Iraq.

eh? What does that have to do with anything?

Well, to answer its all a big sham and a facade for the economic take over of the middle east by the powers that be. The new world order needs money, oil, and geopolitical power. But...now that we are in it I believe our soldiers must stay in it and fight it out until iraq can establish itself as a stable country. For the sake of its people, our soldiers, and our mission.

War in general is sometimes necessary but should always be left as a last resort.

Thats just my view.

Ridiculous. Youre utterly ridiculous.

heh... you think THAT's rediculous... I actually had to go hunt up the original post... arrrghhh!!

...anyways... I'm going to divide this into sections to make it easier...

Its a sad fact. Millions of lives are destroyed, people are traumatized, and lives are viciously warped. For what? An orgasm. Few things on this earth could be more sickly selfish and dastardly. And frankly, it doesnt seem to me like love is on your mind in reference to your "partner". If it is a consensual relationship that it. If not, God help you.

It appears we actually agree.

My one assumption that may be false is that you would have sex with minors against their will... If that would never be the case with you then I have little else to say.

...and, again, it looks like we agree.

Most of the other responses seem to hinge on believing we disagree, so perhaps the responses will make a bit more sense now.

Let's see... part one.

The fact that this means nothing to you shows what a selfish, egocentric, cunt you are. {snip} And all you do is orgasm. Fuck you you heartless bastard. Fuck you.

So, I'm a selfish, egocentric cunt for not being str8? What kind of selfish, egocentric cunt are you for baselessly demanding that everyone be exactly like you, for no reason?

Joy, happiness, companionship, and the realization of your potential require love

Yup. <3

...not the lusting after children. The two are not inseparable.

Actually, sexual orientation and romantic relationships are usually intertwined, for most people.

I wasnt telling you to keep anything secret and if my words scare you you should ask yourself why.

Luckily, they don't.

Meaning, happiness, satisfaction? If what you think of before anything else is sex then you will never find those things.

...if what I thought of before anything else was just sex, I probably wouldn't have responded with a starry-eyed, lovestruck reminiscence of love, would I?

No.

None? Again, nihilism can only go so far. Be sad and continue on with a life lacking meaning. You dont have to search for it. You dont have to face your self and face your fears and life. You dont have to face truth. You dont...

Actually, I have no shame because - and only because - I have faced myself, I have faced my fears, I have faced my life, and I have wrested the search for meaning from the chaos with an iron grip.

...otherwise, I'd probably just go with whatever was on my TV, wouldn't I?

Can your partner even think for himself without you?

If not, it would be a major fucking turn-off.

Would you call this relationship one of equality?

Yes.

Of fairness?

Yes.

Of selflessness?

Yes.

...anyways... part II...

Since when have I been gay bashing? I have absolutely no problem with gay people, have many gay friends, and one of my best friends is gay. And? Dont be an idiot and pull the gay hater card on me. All that does is show you cant argue.

1. I didn't say gay - though I could - I said queer.

2. No one said anything about homosexuality.

3. Gay, literally, means happy.

4. Queer, literally, means different.

I could, in fact, say that I am the gayest queer on the planet, and be telling the truth. Usually, however, I do not mention whether I am happy and self-secure, and just use "queer."

I could not, however, claim to be homosexual and be telling the truth, personally. They are very different statements... and "queer," especially, has always been used to be a much broader umbrella under its original meaning; e.g., "genderqueer," et al.

How fucking irrelevant is that? Were not talking about darfur here.

Here :

http://www1.dshs.wa.gov/hrsa/scc/

...enjoy the home page of the most notorious concentration camp in the last 50 years. You do not have to commit any crime to be sent to the camps.

There are no terrorists out to get you.

Oh really?

Some people might ask, "Hey Splatterer, why do you keep your FAMAS ready in case a pedophile moves into your neighboorhood?' 'Why do you hunt pedophiles for sport?'

http://splatterer.blogspot.com/

...incidentally, the political dissenter that s/he discusses stalking in the next post still hasn't turned 18 yet.

You live in the land of the free.

...could you point me to where that is? Preferably somewhere without concentration camps...

Dont fucking point to bigger pieces of shit when you still smell.

Luckily, according to your own post, I don't.

However, the fact remains that pedophiles for the most part abuse children.

the submission from the Northern Territory Government and Police, 9 March 1995, p. 4 stated that its statistics since mid-1990 had shown 304 persons involved in known or suspected child sex offences... only 45 (ie. 14.8% of the total) had "been identified as paedophiles or suspected paedophiles, with all the classic indicators".

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/acc_ctte/completed_inquiries/pre1996/ncapedo/report/c02.htm

So, "pedophiles" are only responsible for about 15% of sex crimes against children.

By comparison...

Research of college-aged males, he says, shows that a large majority of them have a sexual attraction to children. "If they all acted on it, people would be arrested every day."

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660204018,00.html

So... if we assume "majority" means "51%"...

The 51% of the population which are "pedophiles" commit 15% of the kiddiesex.

The 49% of the population which are not "pedophiles" rape 85% of the kiddies...

15/51 = 0.294

85/49 = 1.734

...which means that "pedophiles" are six times less likely to be a child sex offender than nonpedophiles, actually. Rape is a crime of violence and power, not sex.

In fact I hope you are out and about trying to justify yourself however you can since anything thats right shall stand and anything that is wrong will eventually crumble. Thats just the way it is.

That's exactly what we pray for, each and every day.

Thank you. :)

Okaaaay.. bringing this thread back to topic:

8th Graders are awesome ;)

You know one thing the little teenies love is when you stick your bulging fist into there tight pink butthole they moan and scream but you know they love it but then you toss them away because that once tight pink butthole is now a loose mass of dripping brown wrinkly teen skin but trust fisting freddy on this one

heh... you think THAT's rediculous... I actually had to go hunt up the original post... arrrghhh!!

...anyways... I'm going to divide this into sections to make it easier...



It appears we actually agree.



...and, again, it looks like we agree.

Most of the other responses seem to hinge on believing we disagree, so perhaps the responses will make a bit more sense now.

Let's see... part one.



So, I'm a selfish, egocentric cunt for not being str8? What kind of selfish, egocentric cunt are you for baselessly demanding that everyone be exactly like you, for no reason?



Yup. <3



Actually, sexual orientation and romantic relationships are usually intertwined, for most people.



Luckily, they don't.



...if what I thought of before anything else was just sex, I probably wouldn't have responded with a starry-eyed, lovestruck reminiscence of love, would I?

No.



Actually, I have no shame because - and only because - I have faced myself, I have faced my fears, I have faced my life, and I have wrested the search for meaning from the chaos with an iron grip.

...otherwise, I'd probably just go with whatever was on my TV, wouldn't I?



If not, it would be a major fucking turn-off.



Yes.



Yes.



Yes.

...anyways... part II...



1. I didn't say gay - though I could - I said queer.

2. No one said anything about homosexuality.

3. Gay, literally, means happy.

4. Queer, literally, means different.

I could, in fact, say that I am the gayest queer on the planet, and be telling the truth. Usually, however, I do not mention whether I am happy and self-secure, and just use "queer."

I could not, however, claim to be homosexual and be telling the truth, personally. They are very different statements... and "queer," especially, has always been used to be a much broader umbrella under its original meaning; e.g., "genderqueer," et al.



Here :

http://www1.dshs.wa.gov/hrsa/scc/

...enjoy the home page of the most notorious concentration camp in the last 50 years. You do not have to commit any crime to be sent to the camps.



Oh really?

Some people might ask, "Hey Splatterer, why do you keep your FAMAS ready in case a pedophile moves into your neighboorhood?' 'Why do you hunt pedophiles for sport?'

http://splatterer.blogspot.com/

...incidentally, the political dissenter that s/he discusses stalking in the next post still hasn't turned 18 yet.



...could you point me to where that is? Preferably somewhere without concentration camps...



Luckily, according to your own post, I don't.



the submission from the Northern Territory Government and Police, 9 March 1995, p. 4 stated that its statistics since mid-1990 had shown 304 persons involved in known or suspected child sex offences... only 45 (ie. 14.8% of the total) had "been identified as paedophiles or suspected paedophiles, with all the classic indicators".

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/acc_ctte/completed_inquiries/pre1996/ncapedo/report/c02.htm

So, "pedophiles" are only responsible for about 15% of sex crimes against children.

By comparison...

Research of college-aged males, he says, shows that a large majority of them have a sexual attraction to children. "If they all acted on it, people would be arrested every day."

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660204018,00.html

So... if we assume "majority" means "51%"...

The 51% of the population which are "pedophiles" commit 15% of the kiddiesex.

The 49% of the population which are not "pedophiles" rape 85% of the kiddies...

15/51 = 0.294

85/49 = 1.734

...which means that "pedophiles" are six times less likely to be a child sex offender than nonpedophiles, actually. Rape is a crime of violence and power, not sex.



That's exactly what we pray for, each and every day.

Thank you. :)

Sigh...I'm too tired right now. I will give my full comment tomorrow.

As an afterthought, exactly how old IS 8th Grade? Obviously it's young, but how young? Where I'm from we don't use grades but 'years', ie Year 7, Year 8 etc.

13-14

Ahhh, that'd be Year 9 in the UK then. They're a good age, but it's those Year 7's that are the, shall we say, 'curious' ones. Hehe

Yeah... 13yo's pretty fucked up. It's starting to develop fur, which is a little sick. Ever get a hair caught in the back of your throat?

Exactly. Go with the 3yos. Not only is it easier on the gag reflex, and therefore far less sick than dating people with two digits in their age... but it's much closer to babysex, which legions of the /b/rotherhood of loli sciences have determined to be, in fact, awwwwight.



I dunno... Pious XI did this great thing with funny little hats with his hatred of the jews. GRAMMAR/FragmentPaved the way for the German national socialist regieme, and charming individuals such as yourself... but nazi germany didn't have funny hats. GRAMMAR/FragmentWhich is far less cool.

Considering your strong biases on the matter, I suggest that your most desireable course of action would be murder/suicide. GRAMMAR/FragmentWithout the murder. Of course, by "desireable," I mean "beneficial to the gene pool," but that doesn't mean you can't make it fun. You could wear a funny hat!

Restore the honor you have taken from your country by the shame of your existance. Do the right thing.

Bold script = dictionary

Waiting...

...waaaaiiiiiting...

STIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL waiting.

Hmm. Nothing's happened.

Your time will come, I'm sure of that.


Nooo... funny I talked about honor with you.

See previous post, people assaulting kids have no honour. They are insecure and affraid of the world. To prove otherwise, state your name and adres.


See that little green square in the upper right hand corner?

I have been given honor by the assembled masses.

See that little red square in the upper right hand of your posts?

You exist in a state of dishonor.

I know that you like spewing words that sound good without knowing what they mean... but "to honor" is, actually, a verb. Sorry.

...funny thing is, about 20% of it came from flaming you, and it came from both sides of the debate.

You probaly picked up your little green box in HB, whatever it may be; I don't put any value to a little green box that says a few nerds on the net like me.

About your continues crying about verbs and spelling, why is it that you need to use such trivial mistakes to picture us as less intelligent then you? Could it be that, you need to distract the conversation onto other grounds? Does a politician (PNVD) like you really bother himself with words on the internet and not getting his political agenda known to as many people as he can? Should you not try to convince us of your right, instead of calling us names?

Your grandparents' generation is most proud that they cause they gave their lives for Grammar and Spelling will never need to resurface, no?

I don't know what you mean by that, if you wanted to ask me if I'm proud of my heritage. I must say that during the war my countrymen were cowards. After the war they laboured to resurect this country into the great nation it is today. All be it strucken with illnesses like you.


Ahh, another causation dilemna. Does a person's IQ drop ten points when they use the phrase "your kind" in a sentence, or do people start using this shit in a sentence when their IQ drops ten points?

The world may never know....

Again, calling names and playing with words. A true politician, obedient to the pedophilic cause.


You forgot "slanted, beady eyes" and "buck teeth," not to mention "sloped brow."

Me? I want your jew-gold.

You feel threatened? Why? Could it be something you did wrong? Could it be something you did that might have hurt other people's feelings?

You've bred? HOSHITE!!!

I have children yes. I must say your impersonal use of the word "bred" makes it clear that making love, having sex or even copulating, for you, hold no meaning at all. Your just in it for the fucking. Which brings us to the hard core of the matter. Pedophiles have no reason at all to fuck children, other then the act itself. There is no love, no real relationship other then the times they can abuse again, there is no reason, no thought, no long term goal, there is NOTHING else then just the five seconds of pleasure they get from it.


As the saying goes, my delusional little man...

...pics - or it didn't happen. :p

And, no... just because you are that fucking stupid, pics of someone else are not in fact relevant. Hawt, but not relevant.

Now... you learn to spell your own damn username, and I'll work on the PNVD electioneering, just to fuck with you in your own neighborhood, k? 'cause, really, animal rights aren't half bad.

I leave my username just as it is.

The PNVD is dead! They are nothing. They haven't even got the support to make it to the election's, all the other political parties dispise them. Don't seek refuge in the lefist corner either, because I know you are one of those. Even our green party openly stated they found them horrible. Our labour party found them despicable. No more words need to be soiled on that matter.

Ok being the newb I gotta ask, how do we give neg rep here? Just having to skip over Knob's posts there is pissing me off.

EDIT: Nevermind, I worked it out.

I have honestly never been put in more flattering company. Thank you...

...of course, it looks like TW has left, and all that remains is to play with my K-nob. ~sigh~...


meh.....

Due to your absence of any legitimate substance, this is the last time I will post a reply that goes beyond simply taking one random sentence and making fun of you, unless you learn WTF a "debate" happens to constitute. It's a courtesy designed to keep people from having to read pages and pages of bullshit until you actually come up with something.

...

Your time will come, I'm sure of that.

...in about 80 years.

See previous post, people assaulting kids have no honour.

So why are you doing it?

They are insecure and affraid of the world.

Oh. That's why you're doing it!

To prove otherwise, state your name and adres.

My ad res is the bulletin board on the highway leading into one of the navajo national holdings. You still need a dictionary.

You probaly picked up your little green box in HB, whatever it may be;

Truly, your mastery of the art of research astounds me.

I don't put any value to a little green box that says a few nerds on the net like me.

...that says a few nerds on the net have honored me.

Try to learn what words mean before using them in a sentence, twit.

About your continues crying about verbs and spelling, why is it that you need to use such trivial mistakes to picture us as less intelligent then you?

lol... what's this "we" shit, kemosabe? Quite frankly, you paint that picture without needing me.

Could it be that, you need to distract the conversation onto other grounds?

No, but while you're fucking around with that dictionary, ya might wanna try to find "man of straw" in there, and then re-read the shit you just wrote - since you bring it up.

Does a politician (PNVD) like you really bother himself with words on the internet and not getting his political agenda known to as many people as he can?

The redundancy of reasons for which I lol'd most likely escapes you. The rest of the world, otoh... lols freely, yes.

Should you not try to convince us of your right, instead of calling us names?

Let's see...

1. I don't need your permission for a damn one of my rights, so no.

2. Have you actually read a damn bit of the crap you've written?

I don't know what you mean by that, if you wanted to ask me if I'm proud of my heritage.

Hmm... lemme juxtapose that with one of your other quotes...

Don't seek refuge in the lefist corner either, because I know you are one of those.

Yes, that one. Thanks for flying your flag.

I must say that during the war my countrymen were cowards. After the war they laboured to resurect this country into the great nation it is today.

...well, a greater coward is to try to undo that work. Sort of like your entire contribution.

All be it strucken with illnesses like you.

If you want to pretend to speak like you know me... prove we've met.

Again, calling names and playing with words. A true politician, obedient to the pedophilic cause.

...have you read your posts?

You feel threatened?

No.

Why?

You're not a credible threat. You're not even a credible troll.

Could it be something you did wrong?

Ummm... nope.

...I can drop 'cid by the miligram without a crisis of conscience, buddy.

Could it be something you did that might have hurt other people's feelings?

Hmm...

...once upon a time, I made a "huff raid" post. Honestly, though... I think everyone understood it's just a meme... and at times, a service to humanity.

I have children yes.

The world is cheapened. However, seeing as you appear to be a 12yo fake 'satanist,' they're not that old yet. Perhaps there's still hope.

I must say your impersonal use of the word "bred" makes it clear that making love, having sex or even copulating, for you, hold no meaning at all.

Your definition of clarity is an unusual one, but I was mostly concerned about the darwinian implications of the matter.

Your just in it for the fucking.

Yup. I'm turnin' down women for the fucking...

Which brings us to the hard core of the matter. Pedophiles have no reason at all to fuck children, other then the act itself.

...well, there's that dreamy, glazed smile they get as they drift off to sleep afterwards. It's really fuckin' heartwarming.

There is no love, no real relationship other then the times they can abuse again, there is no reason, no thought, no long term goal, there is NOTHING else then just the five seconds of pleasure they get from it.

I'm honestly hoping that even you are not so dense that you cannot realize that, yes, you're pulling shit out of your ass.

I leave my username just as it is.

...mostly because you can't change it.

The PNVD is dead! They are nothing.

Funny - a while ago, you were randomly asserting that I was a candidate of theirs...

POOOOSSTING FROOOOM THHHHEEEE GRRRAAAAVVVVEEEE!! IIII AAAAMMM YYYOOOOUUUURRR PPEEEEDDDOOOMMMEEESSSSIIIIAAAH, RRRIIIIISSSEEEENNN!!!!

Yeah. Try a little consistency.

They haven't even got the support to make it to the election's...

...which, of course, is why the HF and other reactionary right-wing groups had to actually threaten voters... coward.

Don't seek refuge in the lefist corner either, because I know you are one of those.

I'll seek refuge where I feel like, bitch. Luckily, I don't need much refuge.

Even our green party openly stated they found them horrible.

Funny you should mention the greens... you know they're international, right?

Our labour party found them despicable.

...funny you should mention the communist bloc. You know they're international, right?

No more words need to be soiled on that matter.

So, you're a pussy who thrives on making up random bullshit while running away from substance, while appealing to calls to the various national socialist organizations by blabbing about your "pride" in a heritage you shame and shouting about how anyone you disagree with, well, "you know they're a leftist," as if it meant something?

I'm sorry... it's funny you should try to align yourself with the national socialist movement so transparently... because I have met better national socialists than you.

Now... perhaps someday, you'll do something other than start blabbing fatuous and irrelevant pronouncements about how "YOUR TIME WILL COME!! BLAHH!," while playing with a man of straw.

If that happens, feel free to post. Until then, STFU.

I'm 19 and my gf is 16ish. :D Shes a bombshell to be sure.

meh.....

Well... actually, TW may have come back. ~shrug~

Well... anything but k-nob. I actually prefer talking with masta thief, on the 'intellectual honesty' scale... hrmph...

Funny, I'm 17 and I have one of these problems too. (Except its a goddamn boy...) The thing is my younger brother is in 8th and his friends all chase me around and "show affection". Pretty much Fucks up my mind.

Funny thing is, at lunch I tell friends stories about it and they all think I pimp 13-14 y/o boys. (And that I'm a pedo, of course.) Oh Yeah.

Isn't the love of children really like paedo or something?

Rawk!

Rest assured that the next drink I take, I shall toast the happy couple... the whole world celebrates you!

Funny, I'm 17 and I have one of these problems too. (Except its a goddamn boy...) The thing is my younger brother is in 8th and his friends all chase me around and "show affection". Pretty much Fucks up my mind.

Funny thing is, at lunch I tell friends stories about it and they all think I pimp 13-14 y/o boys. (And that I'm a pedo, of course.) Oh Yeah.

Hey now,
You're a rock star!
Get your game on!
Go play!

...okay... enough with the michael jackson jokes.

I used to have a situation like that... boy down the street... grew older, and apparently convinced his friends that I was really, really cool, so I'd get mobbed by hordes of 8-10 year old boys, completely at random, all over the city.

Luckily, they were all thugs, so... ~shrug~ Free smokeout!!! :D

Isn't the love of children really like paedo or something?

Yeah... technically, paedo-, from pais, with the ae being one letter...

...but amerikkkans consistently misspell, and even make it official. ;)

funny how my post turned to a warzone
god the goverment should allow us to fuck lil kids
its so much better ^^

[i]Hey now,
I used to have a situation like that... boy down the street... grew older, and apparently convinced his friends that I was really, really cool, so I'd get mobbed by hordes of 8-10 year old boys, completely at random, all over the city.

Yeah I used to get that from a few of the neighbour kids, used it to my full advantage too ;)

Finally, JoePedo, someone with problems like me! I plan later on to make a thread about it, discuss what I should either do to make it stop or just make them close friends/like brothers.

I mean I don't want them to hate me.

Yeah I used to get that from a few of the neighbour kids, used it to my full advantage too ;)

Boys or Girls?

Nauseating. But regardless...

Joe there are certain x factors that have not allowed us to have a proper argument here. LAck of facts is one so here are some questions:

a) Do you have a 100% consensual relationship with a minor and has it always been that way?

b) what is the age of this kid?

c) have you ever commited the crime of non consensual sexual assault (unwanted touching)?

I will have many more questions based on these.

In answer to your post:


So you agree that raping minors is wrong?

So you dont have sex with minors against their will?

Why the hell do you pull the gay bashing card AGAIN its fucking ridiculous. That is irrelevant. Let me define my view. I have not stated that pedophilia in itself is necessarily wrong as it is a general term that can branch out to many different situations and circumstances. A 19 year old with a 17 year old for example. But it is most definitely NOT baseless to demand that everyone follow moral codes of conduct in whiich no one causes others harm and everyone respects the rights of everyone else.

And no, love does not require sex or even a romantic relationship. Love is love. Raping innocent children is not. That is pure and unadulterated evil to the foremost extremes.

One could have a starry eyed love struck reminicense of bludgeoning someone in the head with an ax. Thats baseless.

No shame? If you say so.

About your relationship? Ok, answer my questions.

Yeah. Sexual orientation is not what life is about. I dont care about that. If you had the urge to rape little boys it is still wrong to do it. No matter how you feel. That is selfish and evil in every way.

You're equating a rehabilitation center with a CONCENTRATION CAMP? Are you even aware of the fucking implications of that? Starvation, pestilence, torture, murder, labor? Please. Thats ridiculous. That place is better than most prisons and frankly, if you ended up there than you fucking deserved it.

That "splatterer" guy is an asshole but he does not kill people. Killing is nearly always wrong and nearly always a last resort. I dont approve of him. Yet, there are enough pedophiles out there sick enough to let me not grimace if they faced the sword.

Yeah, land of the free. Where you can say your a pedophile anywhere and not be arrested for it. Where you can always speak your mind, practice your religion, and become part of the government. We are the freest nation on the earth and anything freer is only a textbook example of moral decline.

Im sorry if I assumed inaccurate facts about you and your life. Please answer my questions and point out where Im wrong. However, since youve been very sneakily avoiding talking about yourself or your life I will assume now that all does not smell right in the life of joepedo and shame is a bit more prominent than you let on.

Now, what is the definition of a pedophile? Really. Lets see:

ped·o·phile (pěd'ə-fīl', pē'də-) Pronunciation Key
n. An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.

Ah! ok, thanks for all your meaningless statistics. But what defines a pedophile is sexual attraction to children therefore in crimes of a sexual nature towards children, pedophilia is IMPLICIT. So enough with the legal jargon and statistical semantics.


I will pray Joe.

I apologize for not being able to quote. Im computer retarded.

Oh and btw StreetJustice wtf? Have you been vomiting shit out your ears lately? You? Mr. High and mighty Justice bringer on the side of pedophilia? Or are you just trying to spite me with all the neg reps or something? You're a joke, I usually totally agree with your posts and I thought better of you. Instead you turn out to be a hypocritical piece of shit who tries to talk tough. Do I sense out of shape 15 year old or out of shape shitheaded 35 year old on a computer?

Either way your a pussy douchebag.

And no, love does not require sex or even a romantic relationship. Love is love.

This is how my 14 y/o boy hoes make me feel.

Oh and btw StreetJustice wtf? Have you been vomiting shit out your ears lately? You? Mr. High and mighty Justice bringer on the side of pedophilia? Or are you just trying to spite me with all the neg reps or something? You're a joke, I usually totally agree with your posts and I thought better of you. Instead you turn out to be a hypocritical piece of shit who tries to talk tough. Do I sense out of shape 15 year old or out of shape shitheaded 35 year old on a computer?

I am a 21 year old male who is sexually attracted to young girls. Do I think its cool or something to look at naked babys? No. It personally disgusts me, and I cant see how anyone would find it attractive. But at the same time, I cant see how it hurts anyone in the long run, unless they WANT it to hurt them.

Even if I was brutally raped, I could just shrug it off, and move on with my life. Do I want it to happen? No, but only because of the physical pain involved. I am not so weak minded that I let the psychological aspects fuck me up. As I said before, anything violent I do not approve up at all.

If they are so young, that they dont understand what sex is really, then they shouldn't be messed up at all from it. If the pedo can make them enjoy it, and treat them good during it, then it can be a positive experience for both. Children crave attention and praise. They need it. This way, they get it.

The act itself I dont think is what is wrong, its the circumstances in which people do it that make it wrong. If someone is trying to have actual intercourse with a baby, it just isn't going to work. It will be a painful. and permanently physically altering experience for the child. If the baby/child is just sucking on a cock, as if it were a pacifier or popsicle nobody is getting hurt.

In what way am I hypocritical?

a) Do you have a 100% consensual relationship with a minor and has it always been that way?

I have from time to time.

b) what is the age of this kid?

It's varied... 3... 6... 10... 15... sorta depends on who life throws in my lap.

c) have you ever commited the crime of non consensual sexual assault (unwanted touching)?

Nope.

...as a complete aside, if you want to know how rediculous this sounded, imagine someone asking you if you rape your wife. Nonetheless, the question seems honest, so I'll spare you the flames 'n such in honor.

So you agree that raping minors is wrong?

Yup.

So you dont have sex with minors against their will?

Nope.

But it is most definitely NOT baseless to demand that everyone follow moral codes of conduct in whiich no one causes others harm and everyone respects the rights of everyone else.

Well, yes... provided you throw the phrase "astoundingly minimalist" in there. Me, I liked Jesus 'n Crowley's take on the matter - The law is dead, for love is the only law - but since people seem to freak out in the absence of a framework, one could always go the wiccan route... "an it harm none..." as it were. And, no, I don't accept too many drama queens making up "harm" outside some very narrow principles. Free will comes to mind....

One could have a starry eyed love struck reminicense of bludgeoning someone in the head with an ax. Thats baseless.

Actually... no. It's biologically and pharmacologically impossible, really; has a lot to do with serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, and corticosteroid levels, and their secondary effects.

Yeah. Sexual orientation is not what life is about.

Sure it is. Especially when "the liquidation of my race" comes into play.

Naturally, I have a vested interest against such.

You're equating a rehabilitation center with a CONCENTRATION CAMP?

Well, I'm equating an internment center based solely on actual or percieved status with... a concentration camp, yes.

Are you even aware of the fucking implications of that?

I am frightfully aware of the implications of the current network of concentration camps, yes. As a bearer of nuclear order, the balances weigh on my mind daily.

if you ended up there than you fucking deserved it.

You are aware that no conviction is required in any way, shape, or form, right?

That "splatterer" guy is an asshole but he does not kill people.

He disagrees, actually.

Yeah, land of the free. Where you can say your a pedophile anywhere and not be arrested for it.

Are you sure of that? A friend of mine said it on a right-wing talk show in protest, once...

Where you can always speak your mind, practice your religion, and become part of the government.

I am not believing all of those, no. For the middle one, read 1 Tim 4:4, for starters... since its off the topic.

We are the freest nation on the earth and anything freer is only a textbook example of moral decline.

Hitler's empire was a crusade against moral decline... which leads me, for one, to believe that perhaps moral decline is... underrated, by comparison.

Im sorry if I assumed inaccurate facts about you and your life.

M'thinks that's the crux of the issue, truly... that people tend to assume inaccurate facts about people they've honestly never met.

...but I do thank and honor you for the apology. Thank you.

However, since youve been very sneakily avoiding talking about yourself or your life I will assume now that all does not smell right in the life of joepedo and shame is a bit more prominent than you let on.

Nah. Remember where assuming got'cha the last time.

Ah! ok, thanks for all your meaningless statistics. But what defines a pedophile is sexual attraction to children...

True, sexual orientation to the preadolescent form, yup.

...therefore in crimes of a sexual nature towards children, pedophilia is IMPLICIT.

False. 'n incidentally, most "homosexual rape" isn't perpetrated by homosexuals either.

Mr. High and mighty Justice bringer on the side of pedophilia?

You'd be surprised how frequently the two are truly synonymous.

Find me even one time in history when the "ZOMG EVIL" used as scapegoat really was even remotely as bad as hysteria claimed... black... gay... jew... communist...

...in reading history, I haven't found one yet. Perhaps you could. Current hysteria not applicable to the question - history only, please.

I have from time to time.



It's varied... 3... 6... 10... 15... sorta depends on who life throws in my lap.



Nope.

...as a complete aside, if you want to know how rediculous this sounded, imagine someone asking you if you rape your wife. Nonetheless, the question seems honest, so I'll spare you the flames 'n such in honor.



Yup.



Nope.



Well, yes... provided you throw the phrase "astoundingly minimalist" in there. Me, I liked Jesus 'n Crowley's take on the matter - The law is dead, for love is the only law - but since people seem to freak out in the absence of a framework, one could always go the wiccan route... "an it harm none..." as it were. And, no, I don't accept too many drama queens making up "harm" outside some very narrow principles. Free will comes to mind....



Actually... no. It's biologically and pharmacologically impossible, really; has a lot to do with serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, and corticosteroid levels, and their secondary effects.



Sure it is. Especially when "the liquidation of my race" comes into play.

Naturally, I have a vested interest against such.



Well, I'm equating an internment center based solely on actual or percieved status with... a concentration camp, yes.



I am frightfully aware of the implications of the current network of concentration camps, yes. As a bearer of nuclear order, the balances weigh on my mind daily.



You are aware that no conviction is required in any way, shape, or form, right?



He disagrees, actually.



Are you sure of that? A friend of mine said it on a right-wing talk show in protest, once...



I am not believing all of those, no. For the middle one, read 1 Tim 4:4, for starters... since its off the topic.



Hitler's empire was a crusade against moral decline... which leads me, for one, to believe that perhaps moral decline is... underrated, by comparison.



M'thinks that's the crux of the issue, truly... that people tend to assume inaccurate facts about people they've honestly never met.

...but I do thank and honor you for the apology. Thank you.



Nah. Remember where assuming got'cha the last time.



True, sexual orientation to the preadolescent form, yup.



False. 'n incidentally, most "homosexual rape" isn't perpetrated by homosexuals either.



You'd be surprised how frequently the two are truly synonymous.

Find me even one time in history when the "ZOMG EVIL" used as scapegoat really was even remotely as bad as hysteria claimed... black... gay... jew... communist...

...in reading history, I haven't found one yet. Perhaps you could. Current hysteria not applicable to the question - history only, please.

joepedo is the best pedo on here<3

Yeah I used to get that from a few of the neighbour kids, used it to my full advantage too ;)

Ain't it great how they grow up to be politicians, business leaders, police cheifs, organized crime lords... all walks of life?

Finally, JoePedo, someone with problems like me! I plan later on to make a thread about it, discuss what I should either do to make it stop or just make them close friends/like brothers.

I mean I don't want them to hate me.

This being &t, I look forward to seeing the thread! Welcome!

Boys or Girls?

Meh, bit of both actually. Many times with few girls, few times with many boys. I'm bi so *shrug* it's all good.

Ain't it great how they grow up to be politicians, business leaders, police cheifs, organized crime lords... all walks of life?

Yeah exactly! Even at the age of 8, I made sure that each and every person I fucked knew that there was nothing wrong with it! I knew at that age that there were people out there who'd try to tell them that, whether it be because they were having sex so young, or because they were having sex with another boy (in the case of the gay sex, obviously), or even just because they were having sex AT ALL, that what they were doing was wrong and even EVIL! I remember people back then who tried to tell me that I should NEVER have sex, period. Thank gods I already knew better by then and knew to keep those sorts of things well and truely away from the prying eyes of adults. I had no concept back then that some adults might want to have sex with me *sigh* If only..

BTW JP, I really am enjoying your posts on here, much fun ^_^

i dont know any 8th graders..probably because im IN COLLEGE.

I dont think its really pedophilia when half of you arent even over the age of 18.

I dont see what the big deal is with pedophilia anyway. I mean, the age of consent is like 15 or 16...thats young enough for me.

Your post makes me lol @ the college who accepted you. A lot of us are 18-21 years old, and we really do enjoy the company of youngins. Pedophilia has nothing to do with how old we are, it has to with how young we attracted to. JoePedo and Nathaniel are self-professed pedophiles attracted to very young children. I myself would not be considered a pedophile, but rather simply a molester. The big deal with pedophilia is that some people are into it, and others believe it is the worst thing a person could possibly do.

Tell me you wouldn't want to tap these if they were crawling all over you begging for it:

http://www.nicolemart.com/imgs/fools.jpg
http://beconfused.com/images/2006/06/Lynn-photographs-undergo-alterations.jpg

I am a 21 year old male who is sexually attracted to young girls. Do I think its cool or something to look at naked babys? No. It personally disgusts me, and I cant see how anyone would find it attractive. But at the same time, I cant see how it hurts anyone in the long run, unless they WANT it to hurt them.

Even if I was brutally raped, I could just shrug it off, and move on with my life. Do I want it to happen? No, but only because of the physical pain involved. I am not so weak minded that I let the psychological aspects fuck me up. As I said before, anything violent I do not approve up at all.

If they are so young, that they dont understand what sex is really, then they shouldn't be messed up at all from it. If the pedo can make them enjoy it, and treat them good during it, then it can be a positive experience for both. Children crave attention and praise. They need it. This way, they get it.

The act itself I dont think is what is wrong, its the circumstances in which people do it that make it wrong. If someone is trying to have actual intercourse with a baby, it just isn't going to work. It will be a painful. and permanently physically altering experience for the child. If the baby/child is just sucking on a cock, as if it were a pacifier or popsicle nobody is getting hurt.

In what way am I hypocritical?

Look at your username. It says "streetjusticeforall". So let me ask, what would you do if someone raped your daughter/son/sister/brother?

Dude, have you been brutally raped lately? Shrug it off? Thats tough for even a hardened criminal in the worst prisons in this country.

What the hell kind of fucked up view is it to think that a child craves to be raped?

You cant see how rape hurts someone in the long run?? Other than possibly traumatizing them,painfully injuring them, making them insane, or possibly a rapist themselves it is not a pleasurable experience. Saying (pretending) that you have the balls to pick up the pieces afterward without flinching or being affected does not make it "ok".

Sex is instinctual, you don't need to "understand" it to do it. It is proven that babies masturbate and I don't even want to try and explain Freudian psychoanalytical theories to you. Suffice it to say that a child is not physically or psychologically ready for sex and its insane dynamics before puberty as puberty is when sexual awareness flowers therefore any sexual act before puberty will have a permanent effect on the consciousness. That children like attention and praise is a given. That children CRAVE attention and praise and it is natural and acceptable to give it to them SEXUALLY is the biggest fucking lump of retarded shit I have ever read on my computer screen. "That way they get it". Wtf? Are you out of your fucking mind? Oh yeah Sam, you know I think my son billy is feeling real lonely, better go jerk him off and finger his asshole".

You didnt even fucking devote a brain cell to think on that one.

Yes, it is the circumstances that matter. And some circumstances are simply undeniably wrong, no matter which way you put it. Sucking on a pacifier? Pacifier sucking is an act that PACIFIES babies by simulating a mothers breast. A baby does not suck any old thing in its line of sight. This includes COCKS. Wtf dude. Giving oral sex is entirely different. Its in a different sphere of being altogether. It requires sexually cognitive development and is definitely not something that a baby would "naturally" do. Especially not a male baby. To think so would be ridiculous beyond measure.

So no one is getting hurt huh? Yeah. Alright.

I called you hypocritical for one reason. That a poster who acts like a harsh moral compass that could clearly see and unveil the wrong in something and who adamantly enforces what is right turns pussy showing himself to only to have a narrow and unclear view of what encompasses human depravity. Disappointing.


Joepedo, good post. I'll get back to you.

Look at your username. It says "streetjusticeforall". So let me ask, what would you do if someone raped your daughter/son/sister/brother?

Dude, have you been brutally raped lately? Shrug it off? Thats tough for even a hardened criminal in the worst prisons in this country.

What the hell kind of fucked up view is it to think that a child craves to be raped?

You cant see how rape hurts someone in the long run?? Other than possibly traumatizing them,painfully injuring them, making them insane, or possibly a rapist themselves it is not a pleasurable experience. Saying (pretending) that you have the balls to pick up the pieces afterward without flinching or being affected does not make it "ok".

Sex is instinctual, you don't need to "understand" it to do it. It is proven that babies masturbate and I don't even want to try and explain Freudian psychoanalytical theories to you. Suffice it to say that a child is not physically or psychologically ready for sex and its insane dynamics before puberty as puberty is when sexual awareness flowers therefore any sexual act before puberty will have a permanent effect on the consciousness. That children like attention and praise is a given. That children CRAVE attention and praise and it is natural and acceptable to give it to them SEXUALLY is the biggest fucking lump of retarded shit I have ever read on my computer screen. "That way they get it". Wtf? Are you out of your fucking mind? Oh yeah Sam, you know I think my son billy is feeling real lonely, better go jerk him off and finger his asshole".

You didnt even fucking devote a brain cell to think on that one.

Yes, it is the circumstances that matter. And some circumstances are simply undeniably wrong, no matter which way you put it. Sucking on a pacifier? Pacifier sucking is an act that PACIFIES babies by simulating a mothers breast. A baby does not suck any old thing in its line of sight. This includes COCKS. Wtf dude. Giving oral sex is entirely different. Its in a different sphere of being altogether. It requires sexually cognitive development and is definitely not something that a baby would "naturally" do. Especially not a male baby. To think so would be ridiculous beyond measure.

So no one is getting hurt huh? Yeah. Alright.

I called you hypocritical for one reason. That a poster who acts like a harsh moral compass that could clearly see and unveil the wrong in something and who adamantly enforces what is right turns pussy showing himself to only to have a narrow and unclear view of what encompasses human depravity. Disappointing.

If someone violently assaulted someone in my family, I would pay a gang to torture them and make them suffer an insanely painful experience. If someone was sexually touching my little sisters, I don't know what I would do. I don't know how it all went down, so I am inclined to think the worst. I know how I think.

I know that I would never do anything that would be harmful to the child in the long run. This is why I allow the thought that child touching can be ok. I doubt some 50 year old man with erectile disfunction has the same thinking as me, and is more interested in pure sexual pleasure for himself. So yes, he would be killed. This doesn't mean I am against the act itself. It means I am against dirty selfish fuckers going anywhere near my sisters, regardless of consent and age of either of them.

The reason most people who are raped have mad psychological issues surrounding it, is because they believe it could happen again at any time. I have had the shit beat out of me many times by street thugs, it happens. What makes a physically harmless sexual assault worse than a savage physical assault? You don't see me going around to support groups asking about how I can move on with my life when the criminal bastards who jumped me are still out there.

Being touched as a young child can only happen when you are a young child and don't know different. Why dwell on the past, when it is a physical impossibility that it could happen again? They do it because they want to. It gives them excuses for society, when they fail at life, or makes them into heros if they succeed.

If more neighbors shagged their friends young son, we would probably have less columbines and suicides. People feel alone in the world, with nobody they can turn to. "My girlfriend is pregnant I better kill her and then myself." If he had a real man to turn to in his time of need, that thought would never enter his mind. You are not saying WHY it should not be acceptable to give them attention sexually. It is the easiest way, and is actually enjoyable rather than boring as hell playing peekaboo.

How many babies do you know? I would guess very few, because babies LOVE to put shit in their mouths. A baby would put a cock into its mouth, I guarantee that. Why would a baby suck a persons finger, but not their cock? How would a baby understand the difference? Especially the difference between males and females, how would they be acting any different?

So again, please tell in which way they are exactly getting hurt. You are describing open situations, with no real conclusion as to the negatives of it. I don't need your stupid ass 500 word essays, just break it down into a sentence. How are they getting hurt?

Have you never heard of Devil's advocate? That is what I am. I don't care about my own personal morals. When all you can see if your own view on a subject, you have a closed mind and are bias towards that view, and your arguments will always be shit. Devil's advocate has to use facts and studies to back up his claims, making his arguments as strong as possible, not just talking shit insulting people and claiming they are right no matter what without proof.

Until you can understand that concept, don't use words like hypocrite, and certainly don't try to analyze me, because you only make yourself look stupid.

I would like to make a request. If everyone in this thread could go watch the movie "Hard Candy".

There's a lesson to be learned.

Watch "The Professional", there is a lesson to be learned there too.

Yes. And that lesson is "fiction" =/= "reality."

...now please stop spamming threads with "you should watch corporate propaganda." It makes you sound rather stupid and gullible, not to mention the implications of unstable mental state that not being able to tell fiction from reality would imply.

...incidentally, since I know it'll come up again later....

I called you hypocritical for one reason. That a poster who acts like a harsh moral compass that could clearly see and unveil the wrong in something and who adamantly enforces what is right turns pussy showing himself to only to have a narrow and unclear view of what encompasses human depravity. Disappointing.

Technically, "disagrees with you on a subject" =/= "flawed moral compass." Sometimes they occur at the same time. Sometimes they don't... they aren't neccesarily synonyms by themselves, though.

~shrug~ Just 'cause I'm sure it'll come up later somewheres in this thread. Look forward to the next phase of discussion.

Yeah exactly! Even at the age of 8, I made sure that each and every person I fucked knew that there was nothing wrong with it! I knew at that age that there were people out there who'd try to tell them that, whether it be because they were having sex so young, or because they were having sex with another boy (in the case of the gay sex, obviously), or even just because they were having sex AT ALL, that what they were doing was wrong and even EVIL! I remember people back then who tried to tell me that I should NEVER have sex, period. Thank gods I already knew better by then and knew to keep those sorts of things well and truely away from the prying eyes of adults. I had no concept back then that some adults might want to have sex with me *sigh* If only..

BTW JP, I really am enjoying your posts on here, much fun ^_^

:)

On behalf of saner people everywhere, we thank you for the selfless work you put into teaching your classmates not to be afraid of human sexuality...

Thank you.

Yes. And that lesson is "fiction" =/= "reality."

...now please stop spamming threads with "you should watch corporate propaganda." It makes you sound rather stupid and gullible, not to mention the implications of unstable mental state that not being able to tell fiction from reality would imply.



Corporate propaganda. Please elaborate on how that is relevant to the movie "Hard Candy"?

Also, "the unstable mental state that not being able to tell fiction from reality", how about we talk about your inability to see why raping a small child would imply you have an "unstable mental state".

Please, I was just stating how ironic that movie seems in relations to this thread and subject. If you'd like to sound like a pompious asshole, and begin bashing my comments, then by all means you can go fuck yourself (and not children).

Please, I was just stating how ironic that movie seems in relations to this thread and subject. If you'd like to sound like a pompious asshole, and begin bashing my comments, then by all means you can go fuck yourself (and not children).

I could, but fucking children sounds like more fun. Especially 8th graders. Now GTFO.

Also, "the unstable mental state that not being able to tell fiction from reality", how about we talk about your inability to see why raping a small child would imply you have an "unstable mental state".

...but, since you want to discuss irony, perhaps you would care to comment on how demonstrating an inability to discern fiction - whether self-created or media-created - from reality in a comment upon being unable to tell fiction from reality, tends to fit the heading of "irony?"

Corporate propaganda. Please elaborate on how that is relevant to the movie

...perhaps if you re-read that pair of sentences you wrote, it will eventually become... umm... "self-evident?"

If not, read it again.

joe
lets go youngin huntin'

lol

If someone violently assaulted someone in my family, I would pay a gang to torture them and make them suffer an insanely painful experience. If someone was sexually touching my little sisters, I don't know what I would do. I don't know how it all went down, so I am inclined to think the worst. I know how I think.

I know that I would never do anything that would be harmful to the child in the long run. This is why I allow the thought that child touching can be ok. I doubt some 50 year old man with erectile disfunction has the same thinking as me, and is more interested in pure sexual pleasure for himself. So yes, he would be killed. This doesn't mean I am against the act itself. It means I am against dirty selfish fuckers going anywhere near my sisters, regardless of consent and age of either of them.

The reason most people who are raped have mad psychological issues surrounding it, is because they believe it could happen again at any time. I have had the shit beat out of me many times by street thugs, it happens. What makes a physically harmless sexual assault worse than a savage physical assault? You don't see me going around to support groups asking about how I can move on with my life when the criminal bastards who jumped me are still out there.

Being touched as a young child can only happen when you are a young child and don't know different. Why dwell on the past, when it is a physical impossibility that it could happen again? They do it because they want to. It gives them excuses for society, when they fail at life, or makes them into heros if they succeed.

If more neighbors shagged their friends young son, we would probably have less columbines and suicides. People feel alone in the world, with nobody they can turn to. "My girlfriend is pregnant I better kill her and then myself." If he had a real man to turn to in his time of need, that thought would never enter his mind. You are not saying WHY it should not be acceptable to give them attention sexually. It is the easiest way, and is actually enjoyable rather than boring as hell playing peekaboo.

How many babies do you know? I would guess very few, because babies LOVE to put shit in their mouths. A baby would put a cock into its mouth, I guarantee that. Why would a baby suck a persons finger, but not their cock? How would a baby understand the difference? Especially the difference between males and females, how would they be acting any different?

So again, please tell in which way they are exactly getting hurt. You are describing open situations, with no real conclusion as to the negatives of it. I don't need your stupid ass 500 word essays, just break it down into a sentence. How are they getting hurt?

Have you never heard of Devil's advocate? That is what I am. I don't care about my own personal morals. When all you can see if your own view on a subject, you have a closed mind and are bias towards that view, and your arguments will always be shit. Devil's advocate has to use facts and studies to back up his claims, making his arguments as strong as possible, not just talking shit insulting people and claiming they are right no matter what without proof.

Until you can understand that concept, don't use words like hypocrite, and certainly don't try to analyze me, because you only make yourself look stupid.

Ooooh, touched a nerve? Ok, you want short and simple truths? Alright. No essays, which besides the point your last post was longer and more convoluted than my last post but hey, no biggie.

Don't romanticize your position in this argument. Devils advocate my ass. That title doesnt mean anything. You simply ignore the implications of rape and then claim a "non-stance" by saying your morals dont matter.... and then you call ME ignorant. Ok. That makes you not only a hypocrite but a pussy as well.

Ever hear the term "those who stand for nothing fall for anything?"

Yet I find it doubtful that you truly lack morals. What is more likely is that your just unable to argue with me which is fine. So here is the thesis statement of my position that you seem so confused about:

"Unbridled lust is wrong. It is wrong in that it is a selfish act that harms others. It is harmful sometimes even if it is consensual due to other factors. However, the wrong is only completely on one person if it is non consensual, making the act rape. A baby cannot understand nor consciously decide to have sex. Additionally it cannot defend itself. Therefore, any act of sex upon a baby is rape as consensuality cannot be measured and is a non issue."

One paragraph. Was that too complicated devils advocate?


Right, so you talk about people not being able to get over their problems. Are the things that happened to them still wrong? Ok. Well you wasted alot of time typing that paragraph then.

We can assume that any RANDOM instance of pedophilia will most likely be a form of assault or rape. Why? Because not everyone is a pedophile and sporadic crime is way more common than sporadic selfless love. Especially sex, due to its volatiliy and the fine line between selfish and selfless love which exacerbates the chances of it being WRONG. Making the view that "If more neighbors shagged their friends young son, we would probably have less columbines and suicides" complete and utter bullshit. The cure for loneliness is love, not sex. Anyone in a bad relationship can attest to that. Love takes alot of forms, the fact that you find "peekabo" boring does not mean that a caring father playing peekabo with their child is not a perfect and utter example of love.

Sexually expressing love between a parent and child is physically, mentally, and I assume spiritually UNNATURAL in EVERY WAY. Do I have to explain that too?

In further reference to your belief that a baby would suck a penis: You claim that because a baby would suck on a finger, that a baby would then sexually stimulate a penis. Wow, you are in all seriousness fucking retarded. Either that or someone hit you with some chloroform and kicked you twice in the balls before you wrote that. BABIES are not CONSCIOUS of SEX. Let me state that again. BABIES ARE NOT CONSCIOUS OF SEX. Nor the sexual act. So if a man put his penis in a babies mouth sure, it might experimentally suck it in the mindless incentive of teething or breast sucking, or even playing. But beyond that...no, a BABY cannot think enough to give someone a blow job. And if someone put their dick in a babies mouth there is no way possible for the baby to cognitively try and sexually stimulate that person since there is no way for it to know of all the factors involved in sexual stimulation. Its a baby for christ's sake.


There are very few fellows like JoePedo, who I assume has been a good person despite being a pedophile. Being a pedophile does not make you a bad person. But raping kids is definitely wrong. I'm sure that he would agree (though I could be wrong) that most pedo's are less than scrupulous in getting sexual partners though it could be that all the "good" pedophiles simply arent revealed.

So here is my compromise with you. Sure, in very few, very limited, and very unlikely circumstances, sex between a mature adult and a child may not be morally reprehensible. However, beyond this, the idea that sex between adults and children, especially relatives is completely and utterly baseless, ludicrous, and pathetic. Evil, in a word.

And here is something to be noted about your last post. Despite the fact that I was not trying to psychoanalyze you, you still became rather touchy in reference to pain, loneliness, and lack of love and alluded this in reference to your childhood.

Look bud, if your parents didnt love you enough and your childhood was one of trials, loneliness and alienation, I'm sorry. And if in your adolesence you had relationship problems due to not wearing a jimmy hat I further sympathize. Just now that YOUR life and the variable shape of your desires and psychological problems do not apply to everyone. Nor does your oddly distorted desire for a male partner to help you which in turn suggests to me that you lacked a good father figure in your life. Sorry man. But plainly...PEDOPHILIA AND THE HARM OF CHILDREN IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE LIGHTLY ya fuckin cowardly hypocrite.

Yo dudes, not to interrupt this flame war but the original topic concerned 8th Graders which are in the 13-14 range, I dunno who originally started to change the topic to a justification of babyrape, UGH... That just seriously is fucking WRONG, if you wanna fuck babies just go buy a doll, I beseech you.

However, 8th Grader's knowledge about sex and their ability to handle a sexual relationship is way underestimated here. Guys, seriously, how old are you? Are you telling me it took you until College to get laid? Cuz thats pretty pathetic. If you are still in the late adolescent age (18-24) then I know that you know better than that. If not, go ahead and ask any 13-year-old yourself and learn shit. I can assure you that teens are very mature and can grasp basic concepts as to be aware whats in for them when having sex (as if it takes a fucking genius). Now, I know i've said before in my posts that they don't really know whats in for them but I was referring to their carelessness about using protection and generally carelessness about ANY consequence due to the awesome pleasuring experience at the moment that would hinder their thinking, but I guarantee the rate would be the same for any adult. I've lost count of how fucking many unplanned pregnancies happen in my area.

Conclusion: not every 13 year old today is a moronic loser like you when you were 13.

Sexually expressing love between a parent and child is physically, mentally, and I assume spiritually UNNATURAL in EVERY WAY. Do I have to explain that too?

In further reference to your belief that a baby would suck a penis: You claim that because a baby would suck on a finger, that a baby would then sexually stimulate a penis. Wow, you are in all seriousness fucking retarded. Either that or someone hit you with some chloroform and kicked you twice in the balls before you wrote that. BABIES are not CONSCIOUS of SEX. Let me state that again. BABIES ARE NOT CONSCIOUS OF SEX. Nor the sexual act. So if a man put his penis in a babies mouth sure, it might experimentally suck it in the mindless incentive of teething or breast sucking, or even playing. But beyond that...no, a BABY cannot think enough to give someone a blow job. And if someone put their dick in a babies mouth there is no way possible for the baby to cognitively try and sexually stimulate that person since there is no way for it to know of all the factors involved in sexual stimulation. Its a baby for christ's sake.


There are very few fellows like JoePedo, who I assume has been a good person despite being a pedophile. Being a pedophile does not make you a bad person. But raping kids is definitely wrong. I'm sure that he would agree (though I could be wrong) that most pedo's are less than scrupulous in getting sexual partners though it could be that all the "good" pedophiles simply arent revealed.

And here is something to be noted about your last post. Despite the fact that I was not trying to psychoanalyze you, you still became rather touchy in reference to pain, loneliness, and lack of love and alluded this in reference to your childhood.

Look bud, if your parents didnt love you enough and your childhood was one of trials, loneliness and alienation, I'm sorry. And if in your adolesence you had relationship problems due to not wearing a jimmy hat I further sympathize. Just now that YOUR life and the variable shape of your desires and psychological problems do not apply to everyone. Nor does your oddly distorted desire for a male partner to help you which in turn suggests to me that you lacked a good father figure in your life. Sorry man. But plainly...PEDOPHILIA AND THE HARM OF CHILDREN IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE LIGHTLY ya fuckin cowardly hypocrite.

Stop posting your stupid ass opinions on the matter, and stick to facts. Clearly you are against the act of child love through sexual touching, we can see this, so just stop saying its disgusting/morally wrong/pathetic. We heard you the first time, and we don't give a shit. It's your opinion, not ours.

I already proved way back that breast feeding, which is very natural, is also highly sexually stimulating for both mother and child. Should mothers be arrested for having orgasms, when their child suckles on their breast? The child didn't consent to giving that orgasm, he only wanted to suck on the nipple.

You don't need to have an understanding of what a blowjob is, in order to give one. Have you ever received oral sex? You are just a kid man. You haven't had enough life experience to understand that a small baby WOULD suck on a penis if presented to them, regardless of whether it is sexual in nature or not. You dont need them to deep throat you in order to get stimulation. Any physical contact, or even "teasing", is enough to produce orgasm. You are ignoring simple facts of life which can not be argued.

Who cares if JoePedo is a good person, or a violent baby raper? We are discussing the act of sexual physical contact between children and adults aged 16+, not the means in which people procure it, or carry out the act.

Finally, you decide to attack my personal life again. Why? In what way does that help you in this discussion? Even if I was raped and beaten daily by my transvestite father, it doesn't have any bearing on what is right and wrong. I am completely straight and have never had any sexual contact with a male, nor do I wish to. I don't find sex with males of any age to be a particularly desirable act.

So again, I ask you, in what way does child touching hurt the child? Don't say simply because it is non-consensual it is harmful, because the two don't go together all the time. Would it be harmful if someone forced me to take a briefcase with $1,000,000 in it, without knowing what was in the briefcase? I may be frightened at first, but in the end I would see it was a good thing.

Do not post your personal opinion on the matter in your next post.
Do not discuss my private life.
Stick to the facts and the issue at hand.

However, 8th Grader's knowledge about sex and their ability to handle a sexual relationship is way underestimated here. Guys, seriously, how old are you? Are you telling me it took you until College to get laid? Cuz thats pretty pathetic. If you are still in the late adolescent age (18-24) then I know that you know better than that. If not, go ahead and ask any 13-year-old yourself and learn shit. I can assure you that teens are very mature and can grasp basic concepts as to be aware whats in for them when having sex (as if it takes a fucking genius).

Conclusion: not every 13 year old today is a moronic loser like you when you were 13.

I am 21 years old, and even at the age of 5~, I would have known enough about sexual activity to accept responsibility for any acts which I took part in. Whether I know anything about STDs, pregnancy, orgasm or anything else is irrelevant.

We don't need to understand everything we do in life, to make a decision whether or not to do them. How many people really, honestly, take time to consider the fact that they could very easily end a persons life, every time they get behind the wheel of their car and drive into traffic.

Nobody with an open mind would say that a 13 year old can not give consent to sex with an older person. The people saying it are diehards, looking to prove a fact that doesn't exist, simply to hold up their personal beliefs.

Stop posting your stupid ass opinions on the matter, and stick to facts. Clearly you are against the act of child love through sexual touching, we can see this, so just stop saying its disgusting/morally wrong/pathetic. We heard you the first time, and we don't give a shit. It's your opinion, not ours.

I already proved way back that breast feeding, which is very natural, is also highly sexually stimulating for both mother and child. Should mothers be arrested for having orgasms, when their child suckles on their breast? The child didn't consent to giving that orgasm, he only wanted to suck on the nipple.

You don't need to have an understanding of what a blowjob is, in order to give one. Have you ever received oral sex? You are just a kid man. You haven't had enough life experience to understand that a small baby WOULD suck on a penis if presented to them, regardless of whether it is sexual in nature or not. You dont need them to deep throat you in order to get stimulation. Any physical contact, or even "teasing", is enough to produce orgasm. You are ignoring simple facts of life which can not be argued.

Who cares if JoePedo is a good person, or a violent baby raper? We are discussing the act of sexual physical contact between children and adults aged 16+, not the means in which people procure it, or carry out the act.

Finally, you decide to attack my personal life again. Why? In what way does that help you in this discussion? Even if I was raped and beaten daily by my transvestite father, it doesn't have any bearing on what is right and wrong. I am completely straight and have never had any sexual contact with a male, nor do I wish to. I don't find sex with males of any age to be a particularly desirable act.

So again, I ask you, in what way does child touching hurt the child? Don't say simply because it is non-consensual it is harmful, because the two don't go together all the time. Would it be harmful if someone forced me to take a briefcase with $1,000,000 in it, without knowing what was in the briefcase? I may be frightened at first, but in the end I would see it was a good thing.

Do not post your personal opinion on the matter in your next post.
Do not discuss my private life.
Stick to the facts and the issue at hand.

Whaaaaat? Ok. Your right. A personal attack is not part of an argument but neither is blatantly ignoring everything the other person has said. First of all, be aware that an argument until fully substantiated is just an opinion. Yes I am against pedophilia because I find it unnatural but not, in-itself, immoral. There are circumstances where it is not immoral, I already said that so do me a favor and read my posts until you fully understand them.

You did not proved that breastfeeding is highly stimulating/orgasmic whatever. You proved that in ISOLATED incidents and case studies certain people have been INADVERTENTLY sexually stimulated during breastfeeding. You did not prove that in all or even most cases of breastfeeding that the mother is sexually stimulated. And no, a paraphilia should not necessitate punishment. I NEVER said that.

You dont need to have an understanding of what a blowjob is in order to give one? Hmm...lets see here. You are saying that a baby who cannot even think beyond its own necesseties will be able (with its tiny mouth?) to sexually stimulate another human being purposely and continuously? Lol. Dude, ok, so your saying that a baby would continuously suck or whatever to bring an adult to orgasm? Wow. I dont know how you can even believe this. Let me repeat what Ive already said a million times over. A BABY IS NOT CONSCIOUS OF SEXUALITY. AT ALL. A baby is only barely conscious of the function or stimulation of sexual organs which it can do only experimentally.

Even if a baby happened to "play" with a penis and suck on it in play it would not be conscious of the sexual nature of it and only depending on the nature of the recipient would orgasm even come to the picture even though a baby would obviously lose interest in a penis just there on its mouth and would most likely dislike it. So holding with your logic if I put my penis in the mouth of an action figure and I orgasm then the action figure just gave me a blowjob. Oh baby hand me a cigarette. I seriously dont understand how you can keep up with this baseless belief as it was shown to be ridiculous quite a while back.

What dont I understand life? Ok Mr. NoPersonalAttacks. Even though Im tempted to cry since I dont have enough life experience at 18 years of age to realize that babys can give blowjobs Im going to have to man up and keep on destroying your entire argument.

Who cares if JoePedo is a good person? Hmm, lets see now. That would be...the entire world. Morality is ubiquitous and eternal. It is the right way of conducting our actions on this earth and is reflected in law. It is the right and wrong. Without morality there would be no logic because there would be no purpose. I have MORE THAN ONCE STATED that I DO NOT find pedophilia wrong in itself. Uh...miss that?

How does attacking you personally help the discussion? It is a tool of rhetoric my friend and is commonly in internet debates and we are all guilty of it. I'm sorry. But it does help to further understand and unravel your beliefs. And make you angry. And when people get angry, they get honest, and when people with flawed arguments get honest, they find out their own flaws.

So the ultimate answer to your ultimate question which has already been answered but for the sake of humoring you I will summarize and answer...again:

I have more than once stated to you that if a sexual relation between an adult and minor is fully consensual then it is not necessarily wrong. I think this is like the fourth time I've mentioned this. That being said....again:

Touching a child(or anyone) nonconsensually is wrong because the person does not want to be touched. Wow. Hard to understand, I know. The effects of being assaulted are many and vaired from any psychological problems (trauma) to any physical injuries. And to this well thought out question:

"Would it be harmful if someone forced me to take a briefcase with $1,000,000 in it, without knowing what was in the briefcase? I may be frightened at first, but in the end I would see it was a good thing."

Yes it would be wrong and harmful. Being forced to do anything that is not moral or concerning duty is wrong and harmful. Except in the case of being raped youre scarred for life since your sexual development, understanding, and psyche is eternally corrupted, unlike if someone points a gun at you and says "take this briefcase".

You should also know that money is not the source of happiness, and of the same token neither is sexual pleasure. We've clarified that to be love.

So now that you have utterly no argument and nothing else to say do me a favor and think on it a while.

You said it to discredit my example, but you actually just made it stronger. A lie that can be easily proven does not discredit anything. You need to post facts in order for your posts to hold any weight.



third-grade vocabulary ftw!

for future reference, a fact is a statement that can be proven true. therefore a lie that can be easily proven is indeed a fact

third-grade vocabulary ftw!

for future reference, a fact is a statement that can be proven true. therefore a lie that can be easily proven is indeed a fact

...unless, of course, it was proven a lie...

third-grade vocabulary ftw!

for future reference, a fact is a statement that can be proven true. therefore a lie that can be easily proven is indeed a fact

A lie that can be proven, as a lie. You are correct, it is indeed a fact, that it is a lie.

You dont need to have an understanding of what a blowjob is in order to give one? Hmm...lets see here. You are saying that a baby who cannot even think beyond its own necesseties will be able (with its tiny mouth?) to sexually stimulate another human being purposely and continuously? Lol. Dude, ok, so your saying that a baby would continuously suck or whatever to bring an adult to orgasm? Wow. I dont know how you can even believe this. Let me repeat what Ive already said a million times over. A BABY IS NOT CONSCIOUS OF SEXUALITY. AT ALL. A baby is only barely conscious of the function or stimulation of sexual organs which it can do only experimentally.

Even if a baby happened to "play" with a penis and suck on it in play it would not be conscious of the sexual nature of it and only depending on the nature of the recipient would orgasm even come to the picture even though a baby would obviously lose interest in a penis just there on its mouth and would most likely dislike it. So holding with your logic if I put my penis in the mouth of an action figure and I orgasm then the action figure just gave me a blowjob. Oh baby hand me a cigarette. I seriously dont understand how you can keep up with this baseless belief as it was shown to be ridiculous quite a while back.

Who cares if JoePedo is a good person? Hmm, lets see now. That would be...the entire world. Morality is ubiquitous and eternal. It is the right way of conducting our actions on this earth and is reflected in law. It is the right and wrong. Without morality there would be no logic because there would be no purpose. I have MORE THAN ONCE STATED that I DO NOT find pedophilia wrong in itself. Uh...miss that?

How does attacking you personally help the discussion? It is a tool of rhetoric my friend and is commonly in internet debates and we are all guilty of it. I'm sorry. But it does help to further understand and unravel your beliefs. And make you angry. And when people get angry, they get honest, and when people with flawed arguments get honest, they find out their own flaws.

So the ultimate answer to your ultimate question which has already been answered but for the sake of humoring you I will summarize and answer...again:

I have more than once stated to you that if a sexual relation between an adult and minor is fully consensual then it is not necessarily wrong. I think this is like the fourth time I've mentioned this. That being said....again:

Touching a child(or anyone) nonconsensually is wrong because the person does not want to be touched. Wow. Hard to understand, I know. The effects of being assaulted are many and vaired from any psychological problems (trauma) to any physical injuries. And to this well thought out question:

"Would it be harmful if someone forced me to take a briefcase with $1,000,000 in it, without knowing what was in the briefcase? I may be frightened at first, but in the end I would see it was a good thing."

Yes it would be wrong and harmful. Being forced to do anything that is not moral or concerning duty is wrong and harmful. Except in the case of being raped youre scarred for life since your sexual development, understanding, and psyche is eternally corrupted, unlike if someone points a gun at you and says "take this briefcase".

You should also know that money is not the source of happiness, and of the same token neither is sexual pleasure. We've clarified that to be love.

A blowjob does not have to end in orgasm to be a blowjob. A pacifier simply sits in the baby's mouth, doing nothing, yet the baby continues to suck of it. Why would a penis be different? A blowjob can only be given by a living being. If the living being puts their mouth on your penis, you are receiving a blowjob. If the thing is inanimate or dead or forced, you are mouth fucking them.

I don't care if JoePedo is a good person. You can be an overall good person and still commit evil. And you can be an evil person and still commit good. And just because an evil person does something, does not make it evil. It is the act itself in discussion here. Why don't you find pedophilia wrong? You think it is ok for people to be attracted to babies? Why would that be ok? Why should grown adults have any sexual interest in children?

How can a child fully consent to sexual touching, if they don't understand the ramifications of the act? You yourself made that point way back. So then, by default, all sexual touching of a child would have to be non consensual. We can not legally give consent for that which we don't understand, or which a reasonable attempt at fully explaining all details was not made beforehand. Simply looking at the child in a sexual way, could scar the child for life. Where do you draw the line?

Just because we dont understand something, doesn't mean we don't want it. The only way to find out if we want or like something, is to try it. I can make someone want death, but that doesn't mean killing them is acceptable. Forcing children to go to school when they don't want to, is that morally wrong?

It is on you to prove it is wrong, not on us to prove it is right. Everything you are presenting is weak, and based almost entirely on opinion, or falsities which you believe to be true.

The simplest you can make your point, is still very complex. Take my point for example:

I think the general act of baby touching sexually is ok, because I dont see the harm. If it helps someone achieve pleasure, then just let it happen.

I think the general act of baby touching sexually is ok, because I dont see the harm. If it helps someone achieve pleasure, then just let it happen.

I only read this part. Charles Manson felt the same way. Apparently one of his kids turned out alright...

How can a child fully consent to sexual touching, if they don't understand the ramifications of the act? You yourself made that point way back. So then, by default, all sexual touching of a child would have to be non consensual.

:) This is a really fun argument for other people to bring up, and is also when you start quizzing them on biomolecular hardware... y'know, "all the ramifications." ;)

Usually, they do not understand how a being works, from the level of subatomic particle to the large-scale cognitive levels, and therefore cannot understand how an interaction will affect that.

This causes a state of paradox in their mind, because they tend to be unwilling to surrender the notion of themselves as rational beings capable of determining their own fate.

JoePedo and Nathaniel are self-professed pedophiles attracted to very young children.

Tell me you wouldn't want to tap these if they were crawling all over you begging for it:

http://www.nicolemart.com/imgs/fools.jpg
http://beconfused.com/images/2006/06/Lynn-photographs-undergo-alterations.jpg

Lol, thanks for the mention! :p And also, many thanks for those two pics! ;)

On behalf of saner people everywhere, we thank you for the selfless work you put into teaching your classmates not to be afraid of human sexuality...

Thank you.


Lol, ANYTIME!! I won't even charge for my time, this one's on me! ;)

A blowjob does not have to end in orgasm to be a blowjob. A pacifier simply sits in the baby's mouth, doing nothing, yet the baby continues to suck of it. Why would a penis be different? A blowjob can only be given by a living being. If the living being puts their mouth on your penis, you are receiving a blowjob. If the thing is inanimate or dead or forced, you are mouth fucking them.

I don't care if JoePedo is a good person. You can be an overall good person and still commit evil. And you can be an evil person and still commit good. And just because an evil person does something, does not make it evil. It is the act itself in discussion here. Why don't you find pedophilia wrong? You think it is ok for people to be attracted to babies? Why would that be ok? Why should grown adults have any sexual interest in children?

How can a child fully consent to sexual touching, if they don't understand the ramifications of the act? You yourself made that point way back. So then, by default, all sexual touching of a child would have to be non consensual. We can not legally give consent for that which we don't understand, or which a reasonable attempt at fully explaining all details was not made beforehand. Simply looking at the child in a sexual way, could scar the child for life. Where do you draw the line?

Just because we dont understand something, doesn't mean we don't want it. The only way to find out if we want or like something, is to try it. I can make someone want death, but that doesn't mean killing them is acceptable. Forcing children to go to school when they don't want to, is that morally wrong?

It is on you to prove it is wrong, not on us to prove it is right. Everything you are presenting is weak, and based almost entirely on opinion, or falsities which you believe to be true.

The simplest you can make your point, is still very complex. Take my point for example:

I think the general act of baby touching sexually is ok, because I dont see the harm. If it helps someone achieve pleasure, then just let it happen.

Hmm. Ok. Wow. I guess that now after reading your post I must resign myself to certain facts in arguing with you:

a) You do not fully read or understand my posts

b) You are unable to re-read posts

c) logic is like an alien language to you

d) When your position and argument is fully dissected, scrutinized, and burned to ashes you still pretend that its alive, despite being charred bits of a once retarded idea. Awesome.

Blowjob: Oral sexual stimulation.

Baby: The youngest form of a human being that is unable to produce words or complicated thought patterns, much less understand what sexuality, blowjobs, or orgasms entail.

Therefore: A guy sticking his penis in anyones mouth that is not conscious of the fact and is not trying to sexually pleasure the person is then not giving a blowjob.

How was that hard to understand? Seriously.

I don't find pedophilia to be wrong in some very few cases because
a) the child is fully aware, mature, and understanding therefore:
b) the sex is fully consensual

Your forgetting that were not talking about babies in reference to my opinion that sex with minors in very limited cases may be acceptable. Your ass has committed so many logical fallacies it ASTOUNDS me. Jesus Christ. Oh, excuse me, no opinions. Right.

A child may only possibly be mature enough to understand the full ramifications of the sexual act. Possibly I say. In that rare case I dont see the problem.

As another poster said kids are getting more and more mature these days and such. However very few kids that are not finished with puberty are able to fully understand sex and all that it entails.

I dont think an "attraction" to babies make you morally wrong. I think it means you need psychological help. It is an ACT that is wrong not a THOUGHT or a FEELING. It is the action that counts in life. Why should a grown adult have sexual interest in children? Quite simply it could be for any reason that a person may feel a certain way, I'm not a psychology major here and thats not the issue.

A child CANNOT fully consent to sex if it is not able to fully understand its ramifications. Uh...no, by default it varies from individual to individual. One 13 year old may be as mature as a 20 year old, one 17 year old may be as mature as the average 12 year old. No we cant legally give consent for what we truly don't understand but were not talking about legality are we? Looking at a child in a sexual way is a non issue as looks do not do harm or if it does psychological harm it is practically non-existent. That doesn't make looking at a child sexually something that is necessarily correct. It means that it has no place within the legal sphere which AGAIN is NOT what we have been talking about. We are talking about whether touching babies is a MORALLY CORRECT action.

No, trying something is not the only way to find out if we want it. Thinking and feeling are also ways to find out. Thinking being the more prominent. More importantly, desire is not a fucking indication of the morality of an action is it? No ir is not. Whether or not we like doing heroin or being a compassionate person one is most definitely wrong and one is most definitely right. Thanks for another wasted, irrelevant, and thoughtless paragraph.

Opinion? Falsities? YOU sire have not been able to refute ONE FUCKING THING I HAVE SAID AND STATED AS FACT. The only one spreading falsities is you. Notice how no one in this thread has helped you? Yeah, that means that no one can. Why? Because each and every one of my arguments are on point and I support them. I don't let shit travel from my brain to my fingers to my computer screen. I think. You should to.

So here, if you're still so dense as to be unable to see why your argument that baby touching is ok is bunk and why my "opinions and falsities"(lol) are irrefutable let my put the final stake in the heart of this argument by paraphrasing your thesis:

"I think the general act of baby touching sexually is ok, because I don't see the harm. If it helps someone achieve pleasure, then just let it happen."

and the paraphrasing of what you exactly said:

"I think and am unable to support why the act of baby touching is OK because I choose to refuse to see the harm and be ignorant. If it helps someone achieve pleasure, even though pleasure is irrelevant to the morality of the situation or circumstances, then just let it happen."

^^in that light, anything that is considered evil by the use of reason is now perfectly acceptable. So let me repeat, hopefully for the last time, why sexually assaulting babies is wrong, something that JoePedo has agreed with me on. Not to mention that your little thesis statement then just gave up your position.

Touching babies sexually is wrong for several reasons:

a)selfishness:
b)harm: A baby that is touched sexually or treated sexually can be physically hurt, subject to disease, or any other whim of one would abuse them sexually.
c)proliferation of depravity: Someone who believes that they can touch babies with no harm coming to them would also be able to justify further deterioration of their mental state or more heinous crimes.
d)unnatural: Sexual maturity is least developed in the stage of infantile growth. A baby is incapable of physically,emotionally, or mentally dealing with sex and is therefore not naturally meant or able to have sex.
e) Forced : Sexual touching cannot be forced on others in any way. If sex is non consensual it is then rape. A baby is unable to consent to sex as it cannot understand sex.

Thats it. In fact, I've probably missed some but repeating myself is soooo fucking tiring man. If you cant understand what I've been saying then REREAD WHAT I WROTE and if it still confuses you here are some handy dandy links:

www.wikipedia.com

www.dictionary.com

Ah, and remember one little teensy weensy thing. We are talking about morality. So when I make a reference and example of JoePedo it is in reference to morality and totally relevant. If you still dont understand that we are talking about right and wrong then you probably forgot what thread your in a while back. Now I ask you, how can sexually assaulting a child possibly be right? My view is...it cant.

Now that you have a clear understanding of the issue and my position I hope that you now see that your argument is utterly and completely bunk. If you still can't then I suggest you think a little bit more about what you decide to write because so far you've only shown yourself to be an utter fool.

truthwielder kicks ass

I wont comment on your entire post, because it started off so stupid, that it isn't worth my time anymore.

"Blowjob: Oral sexual stimulation." Do you not know what that even means? If the baby licks/kisses/sucks on my penis, I am receiving oral sexual stimulation. That is a fact. Fuck, if you even try to deny that one more time, I will just ignore you from now on, because I am certain you are just a troll.

It doesn't matter whether the baby is TRYING to give me oral sexual stimulation, he still is. You don't have to be aware of what you are doing, in order to do it. The act is still taking place.

Just because we THINK we want things, doesn't mean we really do. If we don't understand what it is we are receiving, then how does thinking about it really help us? The same situation applies to drugs. People don't know what the downside will be like when they take them. You think hardcore crack heads would want it, if they knew they would end up in such shitty lives?

A,B,C,D of your reasons why baby touching is wrong, all apply to young children, which you say can be ok. In my opinion E also applies, because I don't believe they fully understand sex, as much as they make one believe.

This thread is growing.

This thread is growing.

Yeah... and it turned into a discussion trying to justify sex with BABIES +o(

8th graders I can understand, but not infants :X That's twisted.

-Allright buddy, I understand if your ego took a beating. Its ok. But all that means is you refuse to argue, therefore you have no argument (finally you realize this) and you can see that your points are as strong as a bacterial fart.

-Yeah, but that doesnt mean youre recieving a "blowjob" since a baby cannot "give" you one because it is not conscious of the idea of a blowjob and much less able to fucking perform it!!! Do you still think that sticking your dick in a baby's mouth means it is giving you a blow job???

-DUDE wtf. To GIVE a BLOW JOB you must first know WHAT it is, HOW to do it, and WHY you're doing it. You don't fucking understand that just because something stimulates you sexually that doesn't make it a sex act on the part of the giver. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY'RE DOING. DUDE stop being retarded. Thats the same as telling someone who got raped that they had made love to someone. Is it the same? FUCK NO.

-Right, but the stimulation depends on you, not the BABY as the baby is not trying to SEXUALLY STIMULATE YOU. You are thus the only one engaged in a SEXUAL ACT.

I didnt even understand the relevance of this paragraph. Utter nonsense. Please explain it to me because I lack the intellect. YES, I would definitely say most crack heads knew what they are getting into. They just thought they could handle it. They thought wrong. Each man is responsible for his own life and destiny.

YES a,b,c,d all apply IF AND ONLY IF THEY ARE FULLY CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING. Something that I have stated is a very MINOR possibility. Now your contradicting your original beliefs. How many times have I made this clear? How many purposeless words do you have to waste?

Regardless, you said in your first sentence that your unable to argue with me further. I agree. Your points are dissolved, your ego bruised, and your mind vexed. Now its time for some quiet contemplation and green tea. I could be a whole lot meaner. I could tell you every single reason why every sentence in this post shows how ignorant you are of all my other posts and that I've just been repeating myself the whole time but it aint no big deal.

So to conclude:
SEX + ADULTS + BABIES = Wrong

Period.

Yeah... and it turned into a discussion trying to justify sex with BABIES +o(

8th graders I can understand, but not infants :X That's twisted.

heh, IIRC they weren't justifying things just responding to claims (nor were they saying fuck babies haha)

-Allright buddy, I understand if your ego took a beating. Its ok. But all that means is you refuse to argue, therefore you have no argument (finally you realize this) and you can see that your points are as strong as a bacterial fart.

Period.

I do wonder if you actually believe you are coming out on top in the eyes of actual intellects. Are you just looking to be "cool", or do you honestly think your arguments hold water?

To say that a baby sucking on a penis is not sexual, is wrong. If it wasn't sexual than it wouldn't be immoral in anyone eyes. If the baby started sucking when I was sleeping, and I woke up, and continued to let it suck, purely because I didn't want to disturb them, not for sexual gratification, is that wrong?

Sex is sex, even if it is rape. Nobody is saying the person being raped is making love, but they are having sex with the person, against their will. Sexual Intercourse in when the penis penetrates the vagina. A blowjob is when the penis is stimulated through oral contact. Whether it is the baby's intention or not, he will be stimulating the penis, in the same way that a mother may be stimulated by a baby sucking on the breast.

This is a physiological fact, in the same way that a person being raped CAN have an orgasm. It's preposterous to say that sucking on a penis, with whoever is involved, is not a sexual activity. Even if only one person takes pleasure in it, the activity is still being participated in by both.

My ego is not bruised. I truly do believe you have a mental retardation of some sort. You probably believe that what you are saying is intelligent, worth while information.

The only thing that bothers we about this all is that you managed to fool me into thinking you were smarter than you really are. But as the conversation progressed, you have nowhere to go but resorting to name calling and insulting, in addition to the constant repeating of statements without any new points.

Keep changing my words around to fit your own posts, if it helps you to make a reply. It doesn't affect me as much as you hope it does.

Simply put you are a faggot. If you had two parties, one being an adult, and one being a child, if only one is conscious of the fact of the sexual act, then by definition that would be construde as rape.

So you are telling me that sticking your finger into your daughter's, or some baby girl you founds vagina is something that isn't understood? Why is that bonds within the first year are so crucial to the relationship an infant will have with their parents?

Are you telling me that a child actually sees sexual stimulation as "pleasing"? Have you asked a baby to confirm your findings? If not, shut the fuck up, because you look like a humongous tool right now. To think that touching a child isn't going to have ANY negative outcome is being ignorant and naive, that combination forms you, an ignoranus.

I do wonder if you actually believe you are coming out on top in the eyes of actual intellects. Are you just looking to be "cool", or do you honestly think your arguments hold water?

To say that a baby sucking on a penis is not sexual, is wrong. If it wasn't sexual than it wouldn't be immoral in anyone eyes. If the baby started sucking when I was sleeping, and I woke up, and continued to let it suck, purely because I didn't want to disturb them, not for sexual gratification, is that wrong?

Sex is sex, even if it is rape. Nobody is saying the person being raped is making love, but they are having sex with the person, against their will. Sexual Intercourse in when the penis penetrates the vagina. A blowjob is when the penis is stimulated through oral contact. Whether it is the baby's intention or not, he will be stimulating the penis, in the same way that a mother may be stimulated by a baby sucking on the breast.

This is a physiological fact, in the same way that a person being raped CAN have an orgasm. It's preposterous to say that sucking on a penis, with whoever is involved, is not a sexual activity. Even if only one person takes pleasure in it, the activity is still being participated in by both.

My ego is not bruised. I truly do believe you have a mental retardation of some sort. You probably believe that what you are saying is intelligent, worth while information.

The only thing that bothers we about this all is that you managed to fool me into thinking you were smarter than you really are. But as the conversation progressed, you have nowhere to go but resorting to name calling and insulting, in addition to the constant repeating of statements without any new points.

Keep changing my words around to fit your own posts, if it helps you to make a reply. It doesn't affect me as much as you hope it does.

He is on top, because the #1 bitch slapper just told you so, and just slapped your ass, BITCH!

Simply put you are a faggot. If you had two parties, one being an adult, and one being a child, if only one is conscious of the fact of the sexual act, then by definition that would be construde as rape.

So you are telling me that sticking your finger into your daughter's, or some baby girl you founds vagina is something that isn't understood? Why is that bonds within the first year are so crucial to the relationship an infant will have with their parents?

Are you telling me that a child actually sees sexual stimulation as "pleasing"? Have you asked a baby to confirm your findings? If not, shut the fuck up, because you look like a humongous tool right now. To think that touching a child isn't going to have ANY negative outcome is being ignorant and naive, that combination forms you, an ignoranus.

How do you truly know that she wouldn't grow up to be an award winning gynecologist who makes massive breakthroughs, simply because of her fascination with the vagina, and the pleasure which can be gained even in childhood.

For you to focus on ages in regards to rape, is foolish. The age should not make the difference. I already put this example out there: If an 18 year old male, with NO knowledge or sex or sexual feelings at all, not even any hormones, was fondled by an attractive older female, and at the time he showed no feeling towards pleasure or displeasure, would anyone consider that rape? What if he found out later, he was a gay male, and forever felt tainted by that experience. Is the woman then a rapist?

Have you asked a baby to confirm any of your suspicions? Not an older person, who has been molded by society, but an actual baby to tell you that being touched is hurting them mentally.

He is on top, because the #1 bitch slapper just told you so, and just slapped your ass, BITCH!

You slap my ass, but somehow, I am the faggot? So then, are we a gay couple? I want a divorce if this is the case.

Yeah... and it turned into a discussion trying to justify sex with BABIES +o(

8th graders I can understand, but not infants :X That's twisted.

Awww... :( Don't be hatin' on the babylove; one's you've gone gum, you'll know it's nothin' to shun! :D

...the pacifier smiley was a nice touch, however...

This is really hard to believe. Truly, your ignorance is astounding StreetJustice. Frankly, Im too tired right now to make another post showing you that your an idiot. Try to hold of your desire to be proven wrong until tomorrow will ya?

CarbonB...
sigh...you...

...wow. I thought you hated me?!

Simply put you are a faggot.

It is entirely possible that sjfa prefers adult males to, say, the newborns which currently comprise the discussion, or the adolescent/college age females he claimed to prefer a few pages ago.

However, whether he prefers adult males, or females roughly his age, is completely nonrelevant to the conversation.

If you had two parties, one being an adult, and one being a child, if only one is conscious of the fact of the sexual act, then by definition that would be construde as rape

One axiom of debate is to remove the subject of debate from the premises; doing otherwise is called the logical fallacy of "begging the question."

Soo...

If you had two parties... if only one is conscious of the act, then by definition that would be construed as rape

This is, perhaps, true. However, slipping rohypnol to babies is not a topic which has been introduced.

Are you changing the subject uselessly, or are you starting an entirely seperate topic?

So you are telling me that sticking your finger into your daughter's, or some baby girl you founds vagina is something that isn't understood?

Nooo... I think it's something which anyone would in fact notice. It's pretty hard not to understand "oh, it appears that someone is sticking their finger in my vagina," in fact.

Why is that bonds within the first year are so crucial to the relationship an infant will have with their parents?

Not with their parents; with their fellow human being. Parents are merely a subset of this.

Because of my concern with ethics, empathy, and bias crime, it's an area of study. Incidentally, pleasureable touch has been found to be key in promoting human bonding and downregulating corticosteroid receptor in the prefrontal cortex.

An argument could easily be made that not masturbating infants is abuse. I'm not going to make it - as fun as devil's advocate is - because I am aware that whether said constancy of sensual touch is inductive of orgasm is relatively inconsequential to its benefit. It is, however, documentably stronger as a position than the extreme opposite of minimizing touch, which has been shown to be harmful.

Are you telling me that a child actually sees sexual stimulation as "pleasing"?

Lol.

...do some research on childhood masturbation, hon. You're throwing yourself in terrain you know nothing of, and which tends to condemn you.

Have you asked a baby to confirm your findings? If not, shut the fuck up, because you look like a humongous tool right now.

Well... yes, you do. Parenting magazines and more go off on it at length, as the myth you spread crashes against the rocks of inerrant human nature.

To think that touching a child isn't going to have ANY negative outcome is being ignorant and naive...

1. When I was a child, I touched myself.

2. No negative outcome occurred.

:. You're wrong.

It's been pretty well established, already, that sexual contact itself is pretty neutral. Things like violence, force, and failure to respect a being's wishes in the autonomy over theri own body are bad; incidentally, I posit that they are bad regardless of the presence or absence of human sexuality. Things such as decency, civility, respect, and striving for the happiness of another being are good.

So, we have the fallacy of equivocation, generally. Take an absolute neutral, and talk about prima facie "good" and prima facie "evil" as though they were a contradiction, as though the fact that physical coercion is bad changes the fact that doing exactly what someone asks you to do to them is a kindness and a courtesy, or vice versa.

Guess what : the two can exist in the same universe, and neither one contradicts the legitimacy of the other. If my ex-gf says "now bounce me really, really high, and really, really fast," that does not make beating her over the head and raping her "okay." Neither does beating, raping, or torturing someone mean that treating people like that is "okay" and human sexuality is an "evil" scapegoat. Human sexuality is still a natural, neutralish-positive thing, and treating people with sadistic bodily disrespect is still "evil," no matter how much you try to blame it on something else.

that combination forms you, an ignoranus.

People who use terms which derive from the term "ignorance," should not be ignorant of their spelling.

...it also helps not to take the vew that coincides with argumentam ad numeram; while the popularity or dispopularity does not intrinsically in/validate something, it is much harder to say that the novel viewpoint is derived from ignorance of the populist party line, than it is to say that the populist party line is derived from ignorance of anything but.

Better luck next time, carbon.