Jesus existence debate thread...

This is long overdue, I am going to start the debate of whether or not Jesus of Nazareth was in fact a historical being. I am an atheist so I am going to make my case, first against his divinity. Although his story is not completely identical to previous pagan deities, there are several parallels, for instance

Roman Wine God Dionysus: Born of a virgin, Son of a god, turned water into wine, died and was resurrected.

Persian God Mithra: Born of a virgin on December 25th, given gifts by wise men, healed the sick, died for man's atonement, resurrected and would return in later years to save the faithful, had 12 disciples.

Hindu God Krishna: Born of virgin, son of Vishnu, known as "Our Lord and Saviour" died on a tree with holes in his hands and feet. King Kansa tried to kill him by killing all male children in the area.

This is far from an extensive list. If anyone has solid evidence for Jesus Christ's physical existence, tell me....

[Hare_Geist]

You haven't stated your case very well, no offence. You should have also talked about how scholars believe the four gospels were written years after Jesus was supposed to live, that two of the gospels literally lifting 90% of the text of Mark (which is chronologically the first of the gospels) and embellishing it, caused contradictions between all of them, that the fourth gospel (I think) is worthless because Jesus isn't even described as a man but as a spirit, and that this combined with some other stuff I can't remember proving that whoever it was who wrote the gospels were not eyewitnesses. This, combined with all the geological inaccuracies, makes them practically useless for the most part.

Oh, and you forgot the Egyptian god Osiris, who was the first Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus, whatever. Also, it's hilarious that Dionysus was founded in 2000BC (that's 2000 years before the supposed birth of Jesus) and in his stories was born the son of Zeus and a virgin woman, turned water into wine, died and came back to life the savior of mankind.

Based on my own Biblical research, I've come to the conclusion that Christianity is nothing but a hodgepodge of myths and that Jesus is no more real than Hercules.

[kurdt318]

how about the fact that he is only mentioned in the bible, surely a man of such fame, god or not, would have been written down some place else?

Originally Posted by Hare_Geist

You haven't stated your case very well, no offence. You should have also talked about how scholars believe the four gospels were written years after Jesus was supposed to live, that all three gospels stole the major story from Mark, two of them literally lifting 90% of his text and embellishing them, causing contradictions between all of them, and that this combined with some other stuff I can't remember proving that whoever it was who wrote the gospels were not eyewitnesses.

Good point, but at I stated tghat I would first provide evidence that the story of Jesus's holiness was plagarised, I want to know about the legitimacy of his factual existence

[jackketch]

Originally Posted by Hare_Geist

(which is chronologically the first of the gospels) .

No , Robinson argues a persuasive case for parts of john.

[Hare_Geist]

Originally Posted by kurdt318

how about the fact that he is only mentioned in the bible, surely a man of such fame, god or not, would have been written down some place else?

It is true that scholars doubt the existence of Socrates, yet they have more evidence for his existence than that of Jesus. Jesus isn't mentioned anywhere at all. The only things Christians really have is a brief paragraph in the writings of a Jewish historian that scholars now believe to be forged!

[---Beany---]

Originally Posted by kurdt318

how about the fact that he is only mentioned in the bible, surely a man of such fame, god or not, would have been written down some place else?

There's stuff about him in the Koran.



Whether or not he existed, his life is a great example of how to live a love filled life. To experience untainted love at all times is heaven. This can be reached by everyone through understanding as taught by Jesus, Buddha, life experience, the behavior of children, bad luck, good luck, hurting people, helping people, etc etc

[Hare_Geist]

Originally Posted by ---Beany---

Whether or not he existed, his life is a great example of how to live a love filled life.

His morals are terrible. There's so much underlying malice, nihilism and egoism behind all the feigned love of man and equality.

[jackketch]

There is NO 'direct' historical evidence that JC existed.

It is that simple.

There is however a whole truckful of 'indirect' evidence (for example both 'Q' and the Logion point to concrete a historical source).

Like I said before, you pays your money and yous make your choice.

[Rolloffle]

Jesus existed.

To even debate this is retarded.

Stop listening to the lies of Satan and start reading God's word!

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by kurdt318

how about the fact that he is only mentioned in the bible, surely a man of such fame, god or not, would have been written down some place else?

There wasn't a whiole lot of books being written at the time. There is no question that Jesus existed as a historical person, but the myths about him are just that--myths.

Read one of the gospels in the original Greek, and it strongly imples that Jesus did NOT die on the cross.

[Hare_Geist]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

There is no question that Jesus existed as a historical person

There is.

[mvpena]

Originally Posted by jackketch

There is however a whole truckful of 'indirect' evidence (for example both 'Q' and the Logion point to concrete a historical source).

Q as in the Q Gospel? Are they still trying to decipher the Q out of the 4 Canonical Gospels? Or did they actually find something else that has lead them to believe it actually exists?

[mvpena]

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

There wasn't a whiole lot of books being written at the time. There is no question that Jesus existed as a historical person, but the myths about him are just that--myths.

That's how I feel. I think Jesus was another Religious Revolutionary. Religion was the law of the land and he wanted to revolutionize it by riding into town at the right time, at the right place, on the right animal. Oral accounts of what he has done were just over exaggerated before they even got to someone who decided to write them down.

Jesus = wannabe Buddha.

[Thought Riot]

Jesus was a real person. The majority of historians would agree with this as well; it's just a matter of whether or not you're going to be left behind.

Yes, that is a joke.