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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |
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2007-05-04, 11:39
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was jesus really white?
every time i see a picture of jesus its some white guy with red or brown hair and a beard. but how do we know what the hell jesus looked like? i think the one thing we should have right by now is that jesus was most likely brown. either arab, asian or black. but considering where he was in the world and how hard it was to travel back then, im pretty sure he wasnt a white guy.
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2007-05-04, 12:20
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Re: was jesus really white?
Does it matter?
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2007-05-04, 13:08
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Re: was jesus really white?
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Originally Posted by Clifford the Big Red Bong
every time i see a picture of jesus its some white guy with red or brown hair .
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Our Saviour was so NOT a fucking ginger!
We know he may have been crippled and he was certainly of semitic countenance but a soulless fucking genetic feakozoid mutant??! NO just no!
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2007-05-04, 14:25
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Re: was jesus really white?
The bible is just lies. He looks white, because jesus was a "jew", and "jews" are technically white. But jews only call themselves that because they basically claim they are the lost tribes of isreal, wich is bullshit. but thats what an actual jew is. real jews would be arab, as would jesus. while jesus wasnt white, for god sakes dont fall into this bullshit that he was black. if your going to do that, you might as well, let a black man move in and fuck your wife, and suck him off while your wife and daughter are on their period. Not that i care because im not even a christian, but just dont fall for that stupid bullshit.
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2007-05-04, 14:47
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Re: was jesus really white?
the reason blacks do this, is because the most they have done for society is create peanut butter. they cling to the past because it can be fabricated into looking like they actually did something good. just like egyptians. egyptians wernt black. egyptians were italians. all of the pictures painted they had reddish skin and dark hair, egypt is north africa, and italy is right across a small sea. there were blacks in ancient egypt, but all the pictures depict them as slaves.
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2007-05-04, 15:11
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Re: was jesus really white?
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just like egyptians. egyptians wernt black. egyptians were italians.
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ahahahahahahaha
your a fucking idiot.
actually, instead of just calling you a fucking retarded piece of ignorant shit, im going to ask you to justify yourself. please explain how ""italians"" were around egypt 5000BC.
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2007-05-04, 15:14
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Re: was jesus really white?
Well I don't think a physical description of Jesus was ever given in the bible, so all we have to go on are people's artistic interpretations of what they imagine he would look like or what they want him to look like.
And since most of the more famous portrayals of Jesus were made by white people in a white society, they made Jesus white.
But yea, technically speaking he would have been brown.
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2007-05-04, 15:17
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Re: was jesus really white?
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Originally Posted by jackketch
Our Saviour was so NOT a fucking ginger!
We know he may have been crippled and he was certainly of semitic countenance but a soulless fucking genetic feakozoid mutant??! NO just no!
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Those infected with the dreaded Gingervitus must be exterminated.... surely the Savior was not so infected.
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2007-05-04, 15:22
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Re: was jesus really white?
who looks more like egyptians in the paintings on the walls? niggers or italians? and the fact that italy, and egypt are both right across from each other on the mediteranian sea. spanish people, italians, look the same. dark white people with brown hair, egypt was right there. so yeah, the spanish, and italians are the same people who ruled ancient egypt. just because it was on another continent doesnt mean anything. there were also aryan looking people in these pictures, like really white, and blonde. the only time blacks controlled egypt, is for a short time ethiopeans had overthrown them. blacks have never, and never will contribute anything to society.
i dont care. believe this jew bullshit if you want. it's up to you. all three types of people were depicted in these paintings. blacks, the reddish people, and aryans. all very distinguishable(sp). egyptians were europeans.
Last edited by ACE_187; 2007-05-04 at 15:28.
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2007-05-04, 16:49
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Re: was jesus really white?
Jesus was white. It actually does suggest this in the Bible as colour is a curse in the Bible. There were a lot of white people in that area, but slowly tribes breed together and get all sorts of mixtures that and then it homoginized into the arabic people of today. Just look at North America. Who hasn't seen a asian, black, latin, white girl yet?
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2007-05-04, 17:46 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Our Saviour was so NOT a fucking ginger!
We know he may have been crippled and he was certainly of semitic countenance but a soulless fucking genetic feakozoid mutant??! NO just no!
You know, Ive never seen a Jinger Jesus.
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2007-05-04, 19:40 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Obviously, he was Semetic. Alive today, he would fit the profile for an Islamic terrorist, who are mostly also Semetic.
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2007-05-04, 20:59 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
who the hell cares, fuck jesus
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2007-05-04, 21:06 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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who the hell cares, fuck jesus
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Why are you commanding who the hell cares to fuck Jesus?
OP, I'm probably going to have my ass kicked for saying this, but Jesus probably didn't exist. So since he is a purely literary character with no physical description, he can be whatever colour you want him to be. Yes, if he were real he probably would be brown, but hey, you're talking about a book that involves talking burning bushes, so, once again, he can be whatever colour you want him to be. |
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2007-05-04, 21:11 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
maybe im wrong but i thought Glen Beck said they found some old jewish antiques that said a guy named jesus did get crucified (not that i would believe it just because of GB...)
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2007-05-04, 21:21 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
jews look pretty white to me
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2007-05-04, 21:36 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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maybe im wrong but i thought Glen Beck said they found some old jewish antiques that said a guy named jesus did get crucified (not that i would believe it just because of GB...)
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2007-05-04, 21:41 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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jews look pretty white to me
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thats because their not real jews. like armsmerchant said, jesus was a semite. anti-semite is a term improperly used by whites who claim to be the lost tribe of isreal. false jews arent semites. like he said, he'd resemble bin laden. |
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2007-05-04, 22:34 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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jews look pretty white to me
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The Ashkenazim are the descendants of Germans, Poles and Russians... hardly a middle eastern bunch. You should look into Kazaria, it will explain allot. |
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2007-05-04, 23:00 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
hold on. he seemed to blend in really well with the rest of israel and stuff, and you know. someone with the complexion of sour cream would really stand out even if he was the most ordinary guy who ever lived.
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2007-05-04, 23:35 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Why are you commanding who the hell cares to fuck Jesus?
OP, I'm probably going to have my ass kicked for saying this, but Jesus probably didn't exist. So since he is a purely literary character with no physical description, he can be whatever colour you want him to be. Yes, if he were real he probably would be brown, but hey, you're talking about a book that involves talking burning bushes, so, once again, he can be whatever colour you want him to be.
Nobody who has any knowledge of history will kick your arse for saying that.
As far as I am aware there is NO proof Jesus existed, not at least according to the normal rules of historians for determining such things.
However most historians would accept the possibility of his existence as very very likely, on the same grounds they would also accept that the character of say Robin hood was based on an actual man (FYI they think there may have been several different 'robin hoods'), or King Arthur.
I'm too tired to go into depth but basically oral traditions (myths) tend to be based on real events/people. And the jesus 'myth' (if you like) is very detailed, is connected to actual historical characters and is very similar to other historical happenings of the time (ie there were lots of 'messiahs' and they tended to follow certain patterns, Jesus was no exception).
Scholars think the Jesus 'myth' was first recorded in writing maybe as early as 50 AD , so within living memory of Jesus' supposed life and death.
Could it all be a hoax? A fake? Someone's idea of a joke? Sure.
But the odds are good, very good , that it wasn't.
Postscript: We should perhaps note that until very very recently we had no actual proof that Pilate himself existed...
Israel is always good for surprises and in the field of archeology more so.
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2007-05-04, 23:35 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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Originally Posted by Clifford the Big Red Bong
every time i see a picture of jesus its some white guy with red or brown hair and a beard. but how do we know what the hell jesus looked like? i think the one thing we should have right by now is that jesus was most likely brown. either arab, asian or black. but considering where he was in the world and how hard it was to travel back then, im pretty sure he wasnt a white guy.
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2007-05-05, 00:01 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/story.jesushead.cnn.jpg
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2007-05-06, 05:12 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
every time i see a picture of jesus its some white guy with red or brown hair and a beard. but how do we know what the hell jesus looked like?
Apart from him most likely being a Semite, we really don't have a clue. So people in the past have used a little artistic licence. Europeans seem to have portrayed him as white skined throughout most of christianity's history there. I'd I've seem some Eithiopian pictures of the Holy Family and they portrayed as quite dark skinned.
People seem to change their appearence to to suit to make them more familiar to the worshippers.
Curious thing though, in some of the very earliest depictions of Jesus, he doesn't have the beard we all know and love. I wonder why people eventually decided to give him the hippy look?
who looks more like egyptians in the paintings on the walls? niggers or italians? and the fact that italy, and egypt are both right across from each other on the mediteranian sea. spanish people, italians, look the same. dark white people with brown hair, egypt was right there. so yeah, the spanish, and italians are the same people who ruled ancient egypt.
You want to know who looks even more like the Egyptians than the Italians? People from the Middle East and the Berbers of North Africa. You don't even need to travel across any seas from Egypt to get to either of these places.
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2007-05-06, 05:28 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
All I know is that a lot of people are way sensitive on this subject; I've been threatened and had my ass kicked just for suggesting Jesus wasn't white, and dare I say: maybe black.
People are way hypersensitive.
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2007-05-06, 09:30 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
people are racist and ignorant. especially christians.
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2007-05-06, 12:09 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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Originally Posted by Clifford the Big Red Bong
every time i see a picture of jesus its some white guy with red or brown hair and a beard. but how do we know what the hell jesus looked like? i think the one thing we should have right by now is that jesus was most likely brown. either arab, asian or black. but considering where he was in the world and how hard it was to travel back then, im pretty sure he wasnt a white guy.
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Are you fucking serious? Asian? And why the hell do people think it was likely that he could have been black? We at least know that there were white people in Jerusalem...but there would have been either nil black people or perhaps a few black servants and concubines.
'considering how hard it was to track back', yeh, right, so Pontius Pilate and the rest of the romans just kind of...sprang out of the ground? People were traveling all over the world in the time of Jesus via roads and ships, overseas, across continents and landmasses. A man traveled all the way from Syria to Scotland and tagged a rock there.
Before you say that the romans weren't white because they were 'Italian' and therefore 'Mediterranean', there were romans, mostly legionnaires, that were from places like Gaul (France), Britain and Germany. Longinus, the centurion who pierced the side of Christ with his spear was German.
And according to jewish accounts, Jesus' father was a roman soldier, so if the age old depiction of Jesus being white in appearance is based in
reality then that would explain it.
The irony is that everyone tries to be untrendy, intelligent and political correct by suggesting that jesus was probably black or 'almost there' because he was middle eastern (how the fuck does that make any sense?) when it was far more likely that he was a WHITE guy then black seeing as white people are all through the new testament and black people aren't mentioned at all.
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/story.jesushead.cnn.jpg
^^^ thats a pretty common site in central and southern Europe, and I'm not talking about immigrants. |
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2007-05-06, 18:48 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
And according to jewish accounts, Jesus' father was a roman soldier,
I thought Joseph was a carpenter?
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2007-05-06, 19:07 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
I thought Joseph was a carpenter?
The Rabbis hated Jeebus so they would have written and said just about anything negative they could think of... even if it was bullshit. BTW, Jewish accounts also have him (Jesus) boiling in hot excrement for all eternity. Don't believe everything you hear from the religious... they tend to be wacko.
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2007-05-06, 19:09 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
However most historians would accept the possibility of his existence as very very likely, on the same grounds they would also accept that the character of say Robin hood was based on an actual man (FYI they think there may have been several different 'robin hoods'), or King Arthur.
I've read he's based on a member of a political movement who was just a regular guy, and that the party's name was something similar to "Nazareth", which explains Mark's Bible- that they reckon was written by a simple man - saying Jesus came from Nazareth. Of course, then there's Mithra and Dionysus.
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2007-05-06, 19:48 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
I've read he's based on a member of a political movement who was just a regular guy, and that the party's name was something similar to "Nazareth", which explains Mark's Bible- that they reckon was written by a simple man - saying Jesus came from Nazareth. Of course, then there's Mithra and Dionysus.
Its not quite as simple as that although yes thats one theory. First off we don't know what the word that is commonly mistranslated as 'being from Nazareth' actually means. All we do know is that it doesn't mean that.
It probably meant he was a nazarene, but that doesn't tell us much either because noone quite knows what nazarene was (we're not even sure what the word it derives from).
This has given rise to all sorts of theories, for example that Jesus was an Essene..except we don't really know who they were either.
To be frank, assuming he did exist (and I do) then you 'pays your money and yous makes your choice' as to what you believe about him. It much easier to say what isn't the case or is unlikely to be fact than find solid historical facts....because they are few and far between (again think King Arthur or Robin Hood and you won't go far wrong).
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2007-05-06, 21:20 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Its not quite as simple as that although yes thats one theory. First off we don't know what the word that is commonly mistranslated as 'being from Nazareth' actually means. All we do know is that it doesn't mean that.
It probably meant he was a nazarene, but that doesn't tell us much either because noone quite knows what nazarene was (we're not even sure what the word it derives from).
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I've always thought that it meant he was a "Nazir" in the traditional Hebrew sense... Being that he has always been pictured as something of a hippy (long hair) that doesn't (to me) seem too far fetched.
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2007-05-06, 22:39 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Well, he was white after he died. He fuckin' glowed.
He was most likely black though, because blacks are the real israelites.
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2007-05-06, 23:10 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
I've always thought that it meant he was a "Nazir" in the traditional Hebrew sense... Being that he has always been pictured as something of a hippy (long hair) that doesn't (to me) seem too far fetched.
Again its a distinct possibility. But there are plenty of other very viable theories. Also, and those here who know more about judaism than i do can correct me, but a lot of Jesus' supposed utterances would be almost impossible to imagine a nazir saying.
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2007-05-07, 03:20 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
what i wanna know is how come they base the whole year system around his death... thats a bit extreme isnt it?
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2007-05-07, 03:24 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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Well, he was white after he died. He fuckin' glowed.
He was most likely black though, because blacks are the real israelites.
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btw thats just ignorance.... |
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2007-05-07, 03:48 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
btw thats just ignorance....
That's just ignorance?
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2007-05-07, 05:09 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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what i wanna know is how come they base the whole year system around his death... thats a bit extreme isnt it?
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What other movement that changed the world should we base it on? |
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2007-05-07, 08:27 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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what i wanna know is how come they base the whole year system around his death... thats a bit extreme isnt it?
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That's not surprising at all. The days of the week are all based on the names of ancient gods (for example: Thursday is named after Thor). Plus it's only here in the west that it's BC and AD, the east has a different dating system that no doubt has names based after their own gods and religious myths. |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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what i wanna know is how come they base the whole year system around his death... thats a bit extreme isnt it?
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They didn't.
Anno Domini (Latin : "In the year of (Our) Lord"[1]), abbreviated as AD, defines an epoch based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth.(pulled off Wiki). |
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2007-05-07, 15:48 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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Obviously, he was Semetic. Alive today, he would fit the profile for an Islamic terrorist, who are mostly also Semetic.
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2007-05-09, 00:08 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Jesus was bronze. 'Nuff said.
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2007-05-09, 00:26 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Most of you have ignored the fact that a book in the bible explains what jesus looked like, even stating he had hair as curly as a sheep's and was rather dark in appearance. Also because being of jewish descent, i'd picture jesus to have those curls and a yamaka, after all, he was a good jew, was he not?
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2007-05-09, 18:12 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
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Most of you have ignored the fact that a book in the bible explains what jesus looked like, even stating he had hair as curly as a sheep's and was rather dark in appearance. Also because being of jewish descent, i'd picture jesus to have those curls and a yamaka, after all, he was a good jew, was he not?
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You are referring to Revelation 1:1316 where he is described in a vision... Whether or not Johnny's vision applies to real life is debatable. |
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2007-05-11, 19:23 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
This has given rise to all sorts of theories, for example that Jesus was an Essene..except we don't really know who they were either.
I thought the theory with that was that John the Baptist was an Essene. He taught Jesus his Essene beliefs and Jesus made a new religious cult out of it.
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2007-05-11, 22:16 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
I thought the theory with that was that John the Baptist was an Essene. He taught Jesus his Essene beliefs and Jesus made a new religious cult out of it.
Who wasn't an essene?! At least if you believe people like Thiering and the others on 'Away with the little people' fringe of theology.
Point is that (if i remember rightly) we only two or three sources for there being a such a group anyway. And how accurate the sources are is anyone's guess (I don't share the view that the DSS were essene).
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2007-05-12, 01:54 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Point is that (if i remember rightly) we only two or three sources for there being a such a group anyway. And how accurate the sources are is anyone's guess (I don't share the view that the DSS were essene).
I would think that the Dead Sea Scrolls is a dead giveaway of the Essenes. However, I believe Pliny and Philo wrote about them. If I recall Josephus had a vague account about them, without actually naming them. He gave a description of them, which is similar to the description of Jesus and his followers in the Koran. I may be mixing up who said what.
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2007-05-12, 02:54 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
Does it matter?
Well said, I don't Jesus would want us to be arguing over petty things like skin color.
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2007-05-12, 07:46 |
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Re: was jesus really white?
. I may be mixing up who said what.
Nope, without checking, that sounds about right.
btw I'm really hoping you knew that off the top off your head, cos few would :) (thats a compliment FYI)
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2007-05-12, 14:40 |
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Most of you have ignored the fact that a book in the bible explains what jesus looked like, even stating he had hair as curly as a sheep's and was rather dark in appearance. Also because being of jewish descent, i'd picture jesus to have those curls and a yamaka, after all, he was a good jew, was he not?
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It says in that part of revelations he had hair as curly as a sheep's and as white as a sheep's, and that he has red eyes. Doesn't sound like much of a black person to me, maybe an albino one. |
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