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KING G · #1 2007-04-29, 23:13

I have been thinking of getting a Linux OS to go with my new pc, I've been thinking of Ubuntu, but I hear that It doesn't really come with any programming tools, or Beryl.

I want to install Debian, but I don't know which cd I should get first and which will work with my Intel P4 Processor.

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/

I haven't gotten any previous versions of linux installed on my PC before, so if you don't think I should get debian, please recomend a distro for a hard core coder that will work nicely with Beryl.

and a theme that looks like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=684OLRsTrrs

or any Dark or Black theme really.

I'm pretty sure I can manage to Install it, I once tried installing Mandriva but it sucked ass (as I think most of you agree).

does any one know of a Linux distro that comes with a C++ compiler and OpenGL libraries?

and beryl is very important to me, I want to know if it is possible to install.

thanks.

BiOPSY · #2 2007-04-29, 23:24

Any distribution should have GCC and OpenGL development libraries.
Any distribution should also be configurable to use Beryl.

The theme you are talking about should also be conifgurable with any distribution that provides XFCE Desktop Environment.

KING G · #3 2007-04-29, 23:34

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Originally Posted by BiOPSY View Post

Any distribution should have GCC and OpenGL development libraries.
Any distribution should also be configurable to use Beryl.

The theme you are talking about should also be conifgurable with any distribution that provides XFCE Desktop Environment.

Oh, Ok, is there like a united site with lots of themes?

and can you answer my other questions please? and yes I do realise that the OP is very messy.

BiOPSY · #4 2007-04-30, 00:47

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Originally Posted by KING G View Post

Oh, Ok, is there like a united site with lots of themes?

Themes can be installed right from any installer disc that provides them.
For custom backgrounds or splash screens which people contribute, you could check here:
http://art.gnome.org/

That is for Gnome of course, I'm sure any of those can be used elsewhere not restricted to Gnome though. The "theme" you are talking about is not a theme at all. It is XFCE Desktop Environment with a custom background image.

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and can you answer my other questions please?

What other questions?

KING G · #5 2007-04-30, 00:51

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Originally Posted by BiOPSY View Post

Themes can be installed right from any installer disc that provides them.
For custom backgrounds or splash screens which people contribute, you could check here:
http://art.gnome.org/

That is for Gnome of course, I'm sure any of those can be used elsewhere not restricted to Gnome though. The "theme" you are talking about is not a theme at all. It is XFCE Desktop Environment with a custom background image.

What other questions?

What version of linux should I install?

BiOPSY · #6 2007-04-30, 01:26

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Originally Posted by KING G View Post

What version of linux should I install?

I would suggest Fedora, because of it's professional nature and usability vs. apt-get, apt-cache, upgrade-manager and 50 hundred other single tools that Yum does in one utility.

Plus, rpm blows dpkg out of the water.

KING G · #7 2007-04-30, 02:42

Do you know of a stable realse of fedora? I don't want to install this one because:

Code:

Thank you for downloading this pre-release of Fedora.



This is not a final release and is not intended for use on production systems.  The purpose of this release is to collect feedback from testers, and it is not suitable for day to day usage.



To report feedback, please visit:



   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/



and file a report against 'Fedora Core'.

BloodiedMind · #8 2007-05-02, 00:55

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

The very top of the page has "Download Fedora Core 6". Apparently it's nicknamed Zod, and is the last stable version of Fedora Core. FC7 is on Test 4, which shouldn't be too buggy, but I haven't used it so who knows. It's usually not too big of an issue to either upgrade a system or reinstall, though. Just put the OS on one partition and, uh, everything else you want on another (programming code, music etc.).

If you can't save any installed programs, simply make a quick note of which programs you find yourself using often, and write them down on some looseleaf. When you go to reinstall your system, you can just remove others and go back to your tailored selection of applications. Not only do you end up with what you want/need, but it slims down the amount of crap it comes with. There's no need for as much as most Distros come with, but 5 cd's is just ridiculous. Unless you have a sickeningly slow internet connection and can't download programs, it's unnecessary.

Ubuntu is one cd and comes with a decent set of applications (though not especially phenominal in some cases, I dislike Totem personally, I replace it with Amarok), it's very, very easy to simply mark programs you aren't fond of, and install programs you do like.
Synaptic handles dependencies, meaning it downloads the required files for you, versus you trying to hunt them down.

There truly are an astounding number of distros out there, and believe it or not, FC is not the most phenomenal of them all. When it does come down to it, if you've got a decent internet connection and some spare cd's/dvd's, go wild and download 3-4 distros. If you have a large HD, you can even run them all at once (in terms of dual/triple/quad booting, not simultaneous execution) and try them.

If you're a hardcore coder, maybe Slackware would be a fun project to tinker with. Where Ubuntu/FC/Debian are very user-friendly, Slackware is very basic. I wouldn't personally use it as a primary distro, but you can learn large amounts from messing with it.

http://distrowatch.com/

Go there, take a read through the various distros and read opinions. Don't trust just one opinion, even if it -is- a moderator, and by the same stretch, don't trust my comments and more. Do the work yourself and you'll learn more in the long run.

http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

There is also a page which is catering to that question.

logged · #9 2007-05-02, 01:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by BloodiedMind View Post

If you can't save any installed programs, simply make a quick note of which programs you find yourself using often, and write them down on some looseleaf. When you go to reinstall your system, you can just remove others and go back to your tailored selection of applications. Not only do you end up with what you want/need, but it slims down the amount of crap it comes with. There's no need for as much as most Distros come with, but 5 cd's is just ridiculous. Unless you have a sickeningly slow internet connection and can't download programs, it's unnecessary.

I understand you're point of view.
But most distro are ~5 cds nowdays.
Even Slack is 3 cds.
Solaris is 5 cds, SuSE 5 i belive, etc...
Linux is not exactly what it used to be.
Most mainstream distros want users to buy cds/dvd.

KING G · #10 2007-05-02, 06:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by BloodiedMind View Post

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

The very top of the page has "Download Fedora Core 6". Apparently it's nicknamed Zod, and is the last stable version of Fedora Core. FC7 is on Test 4, which shouldn't be too buggy, but I haven't used it so who knows. It's usually not too big of an issue to either upgrade a system or reinstall, though. Just put the OS on one partition and, uh, everything else you want on another (programming code, music etc.).

If you can't save any installed programs, simply make a quick note of which programs you find yourself using often, and write them down on some looseleaf. When you go to reinstall your system, you can just remove others and go back to your tailored selection of applications. Not only do you end up with what you want/need, but it slims down the amount of crap it comes with. There's no need for as much as most Distros come with, but 5 cd's is just ridiculous. Unless you have a sickeningly slow internet connection and can't download programs, it's unnecessary.

Ubuntu is one cd and comes with a decent set of applications (though not especially phenominal in some cases, I dislike Totem personally, I replace it with Amarok), it's very, very easy to simply mark programs you aren't fond of, and install programs you do like.
Synaptic handles dependencies, meaning it downloads the required files for you, versus you trying to hunt them down.

There truly are an astounding number of distros out there, and believe it or not, FC is not the most phenomenal of them all. When it does come down to it, if you've got a decent internet connection and some spare cd's/dvd's, go wild and download 3-4 distros. If you have a large HD, you can even run them all at once (in terms of dual/triple/quad booting, not simultaneous execution) and try them.

If you're a hardcore coder, maybe Slackware would be a fun project to tinker with. Where Ubuntu/FC/Debian are very user-friendly, Slackware is very basic. I wouldn't personally use it as a primary distro, but you can learn large amounts from messing with it.

http://distrowatch.com/

Go there, take a read through the various distros and read opinions. Don't trust just one opinion, even if it -is- a moderator, and by the same stretch, don't trust my comments and more. Do the work yourself and you'll learn more in the long run.

http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

There is also a page which is catering to that question.

thanks alot for your advise, really gave me the kick start I need, Unlike some retards that just bitch about things instead of helping the needie noobi.