people who know nothing about judaism

[shuu]

everyone seems to think they're smart by talking about 'Judeo-Christian' beliefs or by constantly inferring the supposed jewish origins of Christianity,
or by using terms like 'JCI'(judeo-christian-islamic) as an umbrella term for some beliefs, mostly beliefs that are virtually entirely Christian but for some reason, people think its clever to say that they are also Jewish and Islamic.
They usually talk about ideas like the devil, hell, and eternal damnation unless you follow the dogma as being judeo-christianity or part of both Judaism's and Christianity. Christians seem to use the term alot but jews never do and many of them object to the term and the concept. Christians and alot of other people seem to think that Judaism's is Christianity minus Jesus...but my opinion is that christianity and judaism are two radically different religions separated by radically different traditions, history, philosophy, etc. I don't even think its correct to say that jews and christians (and muslims), 'all worship the same god'.
Also, I don't see the significance in pointing out that christianity's beleifs about god or the divine are derived from judaism. I don't even think its a very accurate statement.
There don't seem to be many jews on totse or at least religious ones or ones knowledgeable about their own religion. Its almost like judaism is the only religion where people will not actually listen to its adherents when it comes to what its about but rather their own false 'knowledge' and assumptions.

[Hare_Geist]

I don't think there's too many Jewish people on TOTSE (by which I mean people who believe in the Judaist God, the Tanakh, etc.). I can think of just one. This may explain why so many people on TOTSE get away with misconstruing Judaism.

I agree with you that a lot of people make massive assumptions about Judaism. For example: "Jews believe in original sin." This is utter nonsense and comes from the misconception that Judaism is just the OT as it appears in Jewish Bibles.

Judaism and Christianity are very different. Judaism deals more with the here and now, whereas Christianity is somewhat nihilistic, in my opinion, in that it's about waiting to go to heaven and be with Jesus (I read a post in the archive by a Christian who said that if there were no afterlife and Jesus, they'd commit suicide because the world of the flesh is too horrible. If that's not nihilistic, I don't know what is.). Most people aren't aware of this, but if that bothers you, you should stick around and correct people when you see them making mistakes.

[kurdt318]

I don't even think its correct to say that jews and christians (and muslims), 'all worship the same god'.

Yeah, I don't think they worship the same God as much as they all have the concept of ONE God.

[jackketch]

Originally Posted by shuu

everyone seems to think they're smart by talking about 'Judeo-Christian' beliefs or by constantly inferring the supposed jewish origins of Christianity,
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I was unaware that the jewish origins of christianity were in anyway 'supposed'.

You contend that jesus wasn't jewish?

[shuu]

Originally Posted by jackketch

I was unaware that the jewish origins of christianity were in anyway 'supposed'.

You contend that jesus wasn't jewish?

I contend that Jewish theology and philosophy is very different to that of Christianity, and Judaism's has its own separate traditions and history. Last time I checked Christian ideas aren't based in rabbinic literature like the Talmud. Last time I checked, Christians believed that God is a trinity of 3 people somehow 3 and one at the same time, that a man was /is God and that anyone who doesn't believe that burns in hell for all eternity.
Also, Christian doctrine was not necessarily determined by Jesus, who may very well have never existed, Judaism's history and traditions extend far past the time of Jesus. The Christian doctrine resembles Pagan ideas which have nothing to do with Judaism. If anything, Christianity has origins in remarkably similar Pagan religions of the Mediterranean that preceded it. Monotheism was also practiced in the greco-roman world, mainly in the more urban areas, before and around the time of Jesus, and it didn't have Judaic roots. Monotheism also existed before Judaism.

[jackketch]

Originally Posted by shuu

I contend that Jewish theology and philosophy is very different to that of Christianity, and Judaism's has its own separate traditions and history. Last time I checked Christian ideas aren't based in rabbinic literature like the Talmud. Last time I checked, Christians believed that God is a trinity of 3 people somehow 3 and one at the same time, that a man was /is God and that anyone who doesn't believe that burns in hell for all eternity.
Also, Christian doctrine was not necessarily determined by Jesus, who may very well have never existed, Judaism's history and traditions extend far past the time of Jesus. The Christian doctrine resembles Pagan ideas which have nothing to do with Judaism. If anything, Christianity has origins in remarkably similar Pagan religions of the Mediterranean that preceded it. Monotheism was also practiced in the greco-roman world, mainly in the more urban areas, before and around the time of Jesus, and it didn't have Judaic roots. Monotheism also existed before Judaism.

Strange you accuse others of having a lack of knowledge about judaism yet you yourself display a tendency to sweeping and incorrect generalisations about christianity.

[shuu]

Originally Posted by jackketch

Strange you accuse others of having a lack of knowledge about judaism yet you yourself display a tendency to sweeping and incorrect generalisations about christianity.

I know as much as there is to know about Christianity