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Old 2007-04-27, 17:53
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Default Are we really free?

I'd say we're only free to the point where we can elect who decides what we can and cannot do.
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Old 2007-04-27, 18:08
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who are 'we'?
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Old 2007-04-27, 18:31
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Everybody could be free if they wanted.
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Old 2007-04-27, 18:50
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who are 'we'?
Those who are supposodly apart of the "free world."
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Old 2007-04-27, 18:51
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Everybody could be free if they wanted.
Could they though? Aren't we confined by moral boundaries?
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Old 2007-04-27, 19:00
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It is unbelievably easy. When you get it you will wonder why you never got it before.

Change the way you look at things.

What are your morals? Are they limitations set upon you by another human, or are they limitations you set on yourself by looking within?
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Old 2007-04-27, 19:14
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Exclamation Re: Are we really free?

The answer is: NO. WE ARE NOT FREE. MANY OF US ARE STILL IN THE MATRIX

"The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

And this is the most important: "You have to let it all go, Neo. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. Free your mind."
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Old 2007-04-27, 21:14
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I'm free enough. Until I think can do better than the powerhungry dicks running this world, I'm not gonna complain about the lack of chances to prove it

Freedom is just a word. What matters is what you're content with. We have lots, maybe it's time to see that
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Old 2007-04-27, 21:18
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I'm free enough. Until I think can do better than the powerhungry dicks running this world, I'm not gonna complain about the lack of chances to prove it

Freedom is just a word. What matters is what you're content with. We have lots, maybe it's time to see that
We do have lots yet there are some many restrictions imposed on us. Whether they are legal restrictions imposed by a government or moral restrictions established by some religion, our actions are completely limited. Our choices can only lead us so far.
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Old 2007-04-27, 21:26
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Freedom, when used alone, is such a vague term. But a vague term with many positive connotations. This is why it is used by people like Mussolini in speeches to persuade people.

Persuasion, being a form of power, leads me to my next point: there is really only freedom from or to things. This fits in to that whole sociological study of power started by Nietzsche, which really flourished with Michel Foucault. The French word for power is "pouvoir", which means "to be able". So as you can see, power and freedom, especially freedom to, are closely linked.

But I think what you are talking about when you ask your question, which is incredibly vague, is something along the lines of Jean-Paul Sartre, who would answer, and I would agree, that we are truly free to choose, but not to not choose because even not to choose is to choose. Yet with this freedom to choose, comes the burden of responsibility. People often state "I was just following orders", but they chose to follow orders, so there's no excuses... of course, this is what I thought when I read the title, your actual post seems to be more political, lol.

I'm just rambling openly here, so excuse me if I've gotten off topic.
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