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Backyard Ballistics This forum is dedicated to the safe teaching and responsible handling of high and low explosives. You will not find any information on how to make "bombs" or any such device(s) . Backyard ballistics will teach you the science and the art of pyrotechnics and how to manufacture and use explosives/pyrotechnics safely and responsibly. Backyard ballistics is also a haven for rocketry and pneumatic cannons. All information contained within this forum is for educational purposes ONLY. Totse does not accept responsiblity for any incident involving the use of the information contained within this forum.

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Old 2007-04-26, 12:01
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Before I start, please don't flame, I'm tired. And when I'm tired I get frustrated and can't figure the most basic of things (especially math).

Okay so if there was a ratio for product XYZ and you needed an exact ratio of

85.5% of A which is measured in grams
14.5% of B which is measured in milliliters

I don't know how to keep the ratio constant with the both of them measured completely different.

So, would I measure these chems in parts? Like say no matter what I use (grams, milligrams, lbs) I have to use 8 and a half parts of "A" and 1 and a half parts of "B"?

This should be simple, but for some reason it isn't.

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Old 2007-04-26, 12:32
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Well that really depends on the specifics, such as if it is just a mixture or if something is being synthesized. Sometimes people give the ratios for a mixture of a liquid with a solid already factoring in that the liquid will be measured a different way. Something like 85 grams of AN and 15 ml nitroglycerin for example

If we're producing something that requires a synthesis, then your best course of action would probably be to find the specific gravity of the liquid and use that to find how many grams are in each ml. You would want to be looking at molar amounts really.

Again, it would be easier to answer with some more specifics.
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Old 2007-04-26, 16:14
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Most good instructions should specify the amount to measure meaured. Such as 16:1:3 g:L:mL or something like that. If it isn't then most common measurent is to measure all ingredient by wieght or by volume.

Also in chemical standards % is understood to mean percent by wieght unless otherwise specified.
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Old 2007-04-26, 21:03
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Default Re: Ratio conversions

For the particular mixture it just says its measured by weight. So if it's measured by weight its the same as measuring in parts?
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Old 2007-04-26, 21:06
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Only if each "part" is weighed. 3 parts x and 2 parts y would be 3 grams x and 2 grams y. Volume is never ever used for solids. Only for liquids. And if you want accuracy, you would do well to convert that measurement of volume into one of mass.
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Old 2007-04-26, 21:18
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assuming of course the liquid being added isn't a solution :P then you got more math on you hands lol
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Old 2007-04-26, 21:40
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I got it thanks.
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Old 2007-04-26, 22:26
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Only if each "part" is weighed. 3 parts x and 2 parts y would be 3 grams x and 2 grams y. Volume is never ever used for solids. Only for liquids. And if you want accuracy, you would do well to convert that measurement of volume into one of mass.
Correction, volume is RARELY used for solids. Sometimes you can get away with measuring volumes of solids, if for example your solid has particles on a known, consisting size, or for say mortor, one part sand to one part cement can be by volume. Also with plant growing media you usually measure by volume.

Of course parts per million is another game altogther.

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Old 2007-04-28, 00:29
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I can hardly understand you. And in CHEMISTRY volume is not used. Learn stoich and you will understand why.
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Old 2007-04-28, 02:27
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Let's hypothesize that I know a 100-mL graduated cylinder filled with a particular granular charcoal from a reliable chemical supplier masses 32 grams more than the empty cylinder because you're friend let you use his scale real quick. If in the future I needed to use 10 grams of charcoal in a preperation, then I could fill the cylinder to just about the 32 mL mark and be relitively accurate with the measurement. Volume is a property of solids and can be used to measure them.

Granted it's not as accurate as a good scale, it is still far more accurate than just guessing, even if it is a rarely used technique in pure and applied chemistry.
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