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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

 
 
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Old 2007-04-07, 13:58
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Arrow What do you believe in?

I personally cannot imagine a conscious omnipotent singularity as the cause for our creation, and more pertinently, a forgiver of our sins and warden to our souls. An avowal to this mindset as an axiom is the epitome of selfishness. I choose, rather, to believe that we are all beings of energy, as is the eternity around us. Therefore, we are all parallel, complementary, and interconnected. What I could define as "God" or "Allah" would be the perpetual infinitude of existence and everything in it. We create ourselves and destroy ourselves. We control our own destinies and kismet. Serendipity and the stars are merely a reflection of this, karma a manifestation.What do you believe in?
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Old 2007-04-07, 14:03
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Thats all fine and dandy i guess.
I believe we are all ape's with higher brain functions.
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Old 2007-04-07, 14:11
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Default Re: What do you believe in?

I believe a lot of things are real, just not Gods, souls, afterlives, past lives, aliens, ghouls, ghosts, psychic abilities or absolute morality (although I admit with all of these things that I could possibly be wrong and there's no way of telling for sure, which some would say makes me "agnostic").

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Old 2007-04-07, 14:43
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Default Re: What do you believe in?

To misquote Pratchett:"Most mods don't believe in gods. They know that the gods exist, of course. They even deal with them occasionally. But they don't believe in them. They know them too well. It would be like believing in the postman."
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Old 2007-04-07, 14:47
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Default Re: What do you believe in?

I believe we're all moral animals with a strong desire for more pleasure than pain, hoping against hope that we can somehow postpone death and prolong our existence.
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Old 2007-04-07, 15:44
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The only thing I chose to believe is what I can best descern to be reality.
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Old 2007-04-07, 19:29
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Quote:
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To misquote Pratchett:"Most mods don't believe in gods. They know that the gods exist, of course. They even deal with them occasionally. But they don't believe in them. They know them too well. It would be like believing in the postman."
awesome misquote
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Old 2007-04-08, 04:59
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Default Re: What do you believe in?

Deist. Whatever created this plane of existence, being or extra spacial reaction or whatever, just created our plane of existence and is now gone. All of the book and stories our religions are based on where lazy explanations for why certain things happen when they did.
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Old 2007-04-08, 09:00
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I believe that we are a miracle...

A miracle that by some beautiful law of probability, the perfect combination of elements and molecules have come together to form our universe, and eventually to form life... from various organelles in some Precambrian gook... all the way to the human beings we associate with every single day.

I believe that we are a complex creature... who instead of evolving in body, began to evolve in mind. We have reached a point, where we can never comprehend the being of our own existence, yet this very lack of comprehension, can never bring the slightest satisfaction. I believe it is from this angst, this anxiety... that we ourselves have created all the gods and morals our world has known and lives by. With fairy tales and myths... we've filled the void that "I don't know" left us so hungry with.

I believe it is this common human trait... trading reason for satisfaction... that has been exploited for thousands of years... and among the wisest has been a way of controlling others, and imposing (and nearly immortalizing) one's own, independent value systems and moral codes. I believe this has been a way for the "noble" to stand proud. I believe this has been a way for the "meek" to feel better about themselves. Whether it's kept the brave famous or the weak happy... It's lived through all ages. It's this exploitation that has kept the masses in check. It's controlled our past... and set us up for the world in which we currently live.

Was this a bad thing? Is this something society needed, in order to develop successfully without killing one another? This I don't know. What I do know though, is that this has been outgrown... and we simply do not need it anymore. What might have kept us in line, long enough to get the right footing... has become an anchor and wrestles down our pride and our human potential. Fred was right... God is dead. I shudder using this quote, in fear of sounding too cliche.

I believe that what used to let us sleep at night, has become such a delusion and illness that we close our eyes and cover our ears in the face of truth... or overwhelming evidence that shouts various inconstancies. We refuse to listen to the counter argument, because those siding on the other side have fallen into the convenient category of "lost" or "evil". I believe this is bullshit. There is no absolute right... no absolute wrong. The nazis killed jews because they thought it was right. Islamic extremists flew planes into buildings because they thought it was right. We fight a war on terror, because we think it is right. Regardless of geography or society, I believe that might makes right. Those in power, determine good and evil. This has never been more true, than in religion and Christianity.

I believe when we come into this world... we are given a clean slate and a paper white. What we do... is what becomes of our meaning. The answers are not written before hand... they don't lie hidden like invisible ink. We each carry our pens, and walk into the future writing what we will, and choose to create. Existence then Essence... Plato was wrong. We create our own meaning in this world... and only for the short time we share together in this life. There is no absolute meaning of life.... only what we make of it. In the end... this matters only in the marks we leave on the world. And when the last human being perishes, and all life we know ceases to exist... in the long run we're left with nothing... and no meaning what so ever.

Whats important to remember, is to make the most of it while we're here. I believe it is foolish to worship some afterworld... some life eternal... and short change the only days that we exist within. The only days, that we're hardly guaranteed.

This is what I believe. However I also believe... that I could be wrong.
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Old 2007-04-08, 19:59
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Default Re: What do you believe in?

I believe in Me.
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Old 2007-04-09, 00:48
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Pentagon spying on Americans
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U.S Homeland Security grabs for net's master keys.

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Old 2007-04-09, 01:03
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I believe im GOD!!!
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Old 2007-04-09, 23:18
Twisted_Ferret Twisted_Ferret is offline
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Smile What do I believe in?

I believe in myself. I exist, in some fashion.

I believe that my senses give a mostly accurate picture of the universe, and that what they miss can be corrected using reason and its products.

I believe that there is little reason to believe in the existence of a God or Gods; I also believe that though there is more in heaven and earth than we have dreamt of in our philosophy, to (probably mis-)quote Shakespeare, on the whole the paranormal & supernatural is nonexistent.

I believe there is an absolute measure of Good and Evil, at least as applies to humanity.

I believe that I have an interesting and workable view of the universe which I should eventually write more about.
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Old 2007-04-09, 23:36
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Default Re: What do you believe in?

That I am just one part of this universe, intrinsically bound to all other parts simultaneously.

That I cannot separate myself from anything, any more than a single drop of water can separate itself from an ocean.

Through knowledge, enlightenment, and searching for the truth behind all things, we'll eventually overcome the ridiculous notion that we were put here with any form of purpose.

Do we really need some driving force to exist? If we fail, what's the big deal? If we succeed, what do we gain?

Regardless of what happens, we're all going to die, and we can't take anything with us when we go. All of our worth and value on this plane stays here, to be distributed amongst our greedy relatives.

That's what I believe: That we have no real impact on the universe, and we never will. All our might and power will die with us, and we as a species will die eventually.

So believe what you want, if that's what lets you sleep at night. I know what's coming for me, and that's why I'm fine with whatever happens.
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Old 2007-04-10, 01:21
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I believe in my mind...at least I'm pretty sure that's where I do my thinking. Some have proposed throughout my life that my thinking is done by my penis...they might be right, but if that were the case, my motor functions would be severely lacking.
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Old 2007-04-10, 06:17
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I don't believe in karma because that implies a guiding (supernatural) force, I believe that I'm a bunch of quarks that arranged themselves enough to produce consciousness. I believe our purpose in life is what we make of it, be it helping others, helping yourself, or deluding yourself in religious fantasies. As quoted by the band We're All Gonna Die in their unloved song, I am the Messiah, "A lifetime lived for someone else, change all your ways and follow me, salvation doesn't come for free, I am the one to set you free." That's not to say, however, that if religion gives you pleasure beyond imagination in THIS life, that there's something wrong with that, it's as justifiable as sex or drugs. I don't believe in an afterlife. I don't belileve in ANY sort of higher power (except maybe aliens, as Dawkins once quoted some other dude's law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"). I also believe that what I see is reality, even though I accept the idea of such things as Sophism. I refuse to believe in anything that cannot be tested and verified via the scientific method because while fundies may argue against scientific conclusions, they have nothing on the method itself (please prove me wrong). If we accepted everything on faith, we'd have to give equal credence to ridiculous, out of this world things that have not been tested at all. I believe in things like black holes, gravitrons, string theory/loop quantum gravity, and the Big Bang because science points towards them.

This is what I believe, but above all, I believe in the scientific method and its validity in establishing tenative facts.

"Life is a vacation from two eternities, who wants to waste those precious years worrying about what happens when you get back to forever?" --William S. Burroughs

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I don't believe in karma because that implies a guiding (supernatural) force

It depends how you think of it. It could be the levelling of energy's vibrations... or sommats.
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Old 2007-04-11, 06:22
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Default Re: What do you believe in?

It depends how you think of it. It could be the levelling of energy's vibrations... or sommats.

energy vibrations? sommats? i dont believe that good or bad deeds/actions/thoughts send out any kind of far traveling electrical signals at all much less differentiating ones, however, i have not done my research on this, so im open to suggestions if you can provide some credible proof
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Old 2007-04-12, 06:23
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Phayder92889(or whatever it is) wins the thread. He is right, and he said it very well.
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