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Laboratory Tips Safety proceedures, test reagents, drilling rubber stoppers, bending glass tubes, etc. Contributed to by chemists.

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Old 2007-04-04, 15:42
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swim would like to know how to perp the E for anni is it different from RP&I?
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the freebase form what is the easyest way to do this ?
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Old 2007-04-05, 17:24
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the freebase form of E? a A\B extraction like strait 2 b 3
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So it mean just evap naptha without gassing??...It cut some job if swig understand well...
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ok so basiclly the same method as the other way. soak E in solvent like HEET for 6 hours and evap. the powder thats left is the freebase of E right ?? my recipe tells me that it needs to be a freebase. and to distill it to get purity.
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No one has to make it the freebase . A\B is acid base
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just extract it and then good to go - don't need to have it in freebase form.... salt will work just fine.

approx/roughly 7 grams of pse (or Ephed) for each strip of Li from a AA battery... that's the most common source of the Li to be used.
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Old 2007-04-09, 05:47
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swim would strongly suggest finding an online vendor that sells Sodium Metal.

Sodium metal is needed for an actual Birch, the lithium method is not a birch, just called that for simplicities sake.

Bad thing about lithium is that it can and often does OVER-reduce the pseudoephedrine. However sodium metal does not over-reduce, and is very much desirable.

Plus it comes already covered in oil, all one has to do is take the sodium metal from the oil and throw it in the Anni.

Swim always wanted to try the birch but never had Anni.

However he was thinking of making some, apparently its just adding ammonium sulfate to dry naoh crystals. Putting the vapor through a condenser, and then those fumes are put through a drying agent, and finally into a jar emmersed in dry-ice/acetone.

Sounds easy, any experience? can this be done in a few hours in the woods?
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Old 2007-04-09, 11:21
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Sodium metal is needed for an actual Birch, the lithium method is not a birch, just called that for simplicities sake.

Bad thing about lithium is that it can and often does OVER-reduce the pseudoephedrine. However sodium metal does not over-reduce, and is very much desirable.

Plus it comes already covered in oil, all one has to do is take the sodium metal from the oil and throw it in the Anni.

Swim always wanted to try the birch but never had Anni.

However he was thinking of making some, apparently its just adding ammonium sulfate to dry naoh crystals. Putting the vapor through a condenser, and then those fumes are put through a drying agent, and finally into a jar emmersed in dry-ice/acetone.

Sounds easy, any experience? can this be done in a few hours in the woods?
Yes indeed - technically it is the case that the actual Birch reduction was done with sodium, but in the cold light of day most of the backwoods birchers are using the Li strips liberated from batteries.

But if one were to have some proper sodium, then all the better.

As to brewing up own supply of Anni - saw a dream once where this was the case and yes, that is basically the process. In the old Totse archives (which am not sure if are still accessible) there was a thread by Krackleback that covered the process....

am hoping we can do something with the old Archives in this new forum format, but as yet, unsure about that.
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Old 2007-04-10, 21:23
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However he was thinking of making some, apparently its just adding ammonium sulfate to dry naoh crystals. Putting the vapor through a condenser, and then those fumes are put through a drying agent, and finally into a jar emmersed in dry-ice/acetone.

Sounds easy, any experience? can this be done in a few hours in the woods?
wey hey - turns out although not listed, the old archives are still 'out there', so here's the thread mentioned previously.

http://tinyurl.com/2len5j
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