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Women are set up different than men. In ancient times, men had to fuck around to ensure genetic longevity. Women, however, had to carry the child with them and eventually raise it. This lead to women having primarily emotional attachments. Women generally attach to men based more on whether or not he's reliable than looks. Men, however, are concerned only with genes.

Hope I helped.

^^^ yes I agree with this. Women are just much more selective in who they are sexually attracted to. I think this is real diffrence rather than something learned or imposed by culture. If you got togther a group of 100 randomly selected decent looking girls the average guy would probably be attracted to 75 of them and be willing to sleep with any of the 100. Do the reverse and a average girl might be attracted to fewer than 5 guys out of a hundred.

^^^ both the above posters make a good point

but its also a cultural thing for instance with the ugly people people at my school its not uncommon to see an alright looking chick with a fat obnoxious retard and visa versa then again their relationships dont last to much longer then a month.

The bar that determines value is in proportion to the average level of value being measured. It's not coincidence that men in general have a higher bar. No, I'm just being an ass. I don't mean that, but I was thinking it for a second, albeit nonseriously.

I reckon it's because a semi-decent looking girl can pretty much take her pick.. so they get fussy.

Shit, I'm nothing special, and I get a fair amount of guys throwing themselves at me.

So if a shitbag guy came along, I'd KNOW I could do better.

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To put it simply, women have higher standards because they can.

quote:Originally posted by H4T3:

Men, however, are concerned only with genes.



Women are concerned with testosterone levels of males because higher testosterone = better offspring.

A lot their attraction to testosterone has to do with looks.

quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

To put it simply, women have higher standards because they can.

You took my answer!

quote:Originally posted by H4T3:

Men, however, are concerned only with genes.

But wouldn't men also want their offspring to survive, and thus want to invest at least some resources into them to help ensure their chances of survival? If the offspring doesn't survive to reproduce that would make mating useless.

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Higher standards ROFL. Who chooses partners that beat them up? Who chooses partners that are fat because they can provide with the moneys? Chicks don't have high standards at all, they just think they do.

One thing I hate is how its up to the MEN to approach the WOMEN

I mean come on, intiative!

or maybe i'm just not good looking =(

There's one undeniable fact you need to take into account here: There are 500 hot girls to every one hot guy. Maybe it's just everywhere I've stepped my foot, but I swear I see a few hot chicks everyday, I see a hot guy once a month (no exaggeration and that's with the exception of my boyfriend).

That being said, women would fuck just as much as men if guys weren't so fucking stupid and made fun of us for it. Personally, I fuck who and when I want, but on a large scale, the perception seems to be the issue. If you have sex without the intention of trying to build a relationship you're a "slut". Perhaps the stigma of that label has created self-esteem issues concerning sexuality in the average high school girl.

Extending from that, men ridicule and abuse in the context of sex because, no matter how much they hate it, women are the embodiment of sex. Men do not control sex (hence why we can fuck anybody we walk by and you can't and also, why we can make thousands of dollars in a night just for being naked) so over the years Christianity and a number of other bullshit organizations and events have counted on intimidation to quell female sexuality.

Evolutionarily speaking, in today's society women try to settle to establish a permanent status within the community and wealth before they're infertile. Men try to fuck any young thing with big boobs and wide hips. There's something WRONG with this picture. This will not last. The future, I think is one with huge orgies, no STDs, the concept of cheating obsolete, and responsibility.

If not, we're fucked. But I guess we're fucked either way.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

The future, I think is one with huge orgies, no STDs, the concept of cheating obsolete, and responsibility.



As a mother....I sure as hell hope for more than that for my child (aside from the responsibility part).

Maybe because I lived a life of promiscuity and found little there.

No offence intended.

As an individual who is socially active, it is apparent to me, that it is the men who always make the first move towards intimacy, if not then towards lusty sex.

Simple law of supply and demand, that if the supply is high, the prices fall especially with the variety of the supply being available. Thus, the vale of a guy hitting on a girl is low as since there are so many guys ready to hit on a single chick, they get to have a preference.

That is all.

Don't get me started on beer goggles.

ORgies without STDs and morals is not the future either.

Well, 'evolutionarily speaking', the abolition of the notion of cheating and the indulgence of orgies, isn't going to happen. However, that's not to say that long term monogamy is natural from an evolutionary perspective, either.

It's actually biologically normal for people to 'pair bond', with multiple partners throughout the course of their lives (3-4 pair-bond relationships in caveman times). However, these pair bonds are monogamous... the point of which is to rear children to the age of 3 at which point they are communally raised (we're talking about the tribal mentality that is ingrained in both men and women today (a good book to read on the subject is Sperm Wars by Robin Baker)).

Sex solely for pleasure is actually evolutionarily fucked up, since the invention of prophylactics leads to a cheating of the system. We haven't evolved toward sex solely for pleasure, and we're not likely to for a few thousand years at the very least.

Hell, the whorish cunts who think that promiscuity is the natural evolution of humanity, are the kind of people who are actually fucked in the head. Then again, I'm naturally monogamous, so I guess I'm just as bad.

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quote:Originally posted by Durell:

...3-4 pair-bond relationships in caveman times...

Is that on record?

Well, you can't exactly be definitive about that aspect, but it is what is speculated based upon the life expectancy that researcher's have come to agree on. As I said, Robin Baker is a good read on the topic.

Edit: Other books to read on the subject.

The Red Queen by Matt Ridley

The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins

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quote:Originally posted by oc6:

As a mother....I sure as hell hope for more than that for my child (aside from the responsibility part).

Maybe because I lived a life of promiscuity and found little there.

I have to agree with you there.

because we're called sluts if we do that, plain and simple.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

There's one undeniable fact you need to take into account here: There are 500 hot girls to every one hot guy. Maybe it's just everywhere I've stepped my foot, but I swear I see a few hot chicks everyday, I see a hot guy once a month (no exaggeration and that's with the exception of my boyfriend).

Women are just the more visually appealing of the species. This is the opposite of the rest of the animal kingdom. Men are just plain unattractive, women are the pretty ones. Sure there are exceptions to the rule but that doesn't make the rule any less valid.

When I say this you have to look at it from a completely non-sexual point of view. Good example, the majority of art(involving people) has female subjects.

Women seem to have different stardards then men do.

How else do you explain why so many white girls having babies with fresh out of jail, crack dealing black guys who beat them?

They have 3 kids with 3 different guys by age 19. Where is the pair-bonding there?

Girls go out with men thier friends and TV approve of. Most don't really think for themselves until thier 20's.Some never change. You tell that women by her fake tan in her 40's.

Just ask any normal older women if she would still go out with men form thier highschool years.

Men think with thier dicks, as long as the women looks good enough it will be hard.

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quote:Originally posted by Markalon:

Women seem to have different stardards then men do.

How else do you explain why so many white girls having babies with fresh out of jail, crack dealing black guys who beat them?

They have 3 kids with 3 different guys by age 19. Where is the pair-bonding there?

Girls go out with men thier friends and TV approve of. Most don't really think for themselves until thier 20's.Some never change. You tell that women by her fake tan in her 40's.

Just ask any normal older women if she would still go out with men form thier highschool years.

Men think with thier dicks, as long as the women looks good enough it will hard.

FYI...thier is spelled their, unless you are going for they are (they're).

Other than that, I will refrain from commenting on the flaws in your post.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

There's one undeniable fact you need to take into account here: There are 500 hot girls to every one hot guy. Maybe it's just everywhere I've stepped my foot, but I swear I see a few hot chicks everyday, I see a hot guy once a month (no exaggeration and that's with the exception of my boyfriend).

This is complete bullshit. Who is to say that there are five hundred "hot" women to one man? There are just as many attractive men as there are attractive women. You just seem like a very superficial person, and can't tell the difference.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

That being said, women would fuck just as much as men if guys weren't so fucking stupid and made fun of us for it. Personally, I fuck who and when I want, but on a large scale, the perception seems to be the issue. If you have sex without the intention of trying to build a relationship you're a "slut". Perhaps the stigma of that label has created self-esteem issues concerning sexuality in the average high school girl.

Made fun of you for sleeping around so much? What on earth are you talking about? I believe that the average guy has slept with less than 5 girls before he is married. That isn't much considering I know girls who have slept with over 100+ guys and they are in their 20's. There are promiscious men and promiscious women. Generalizing and then trying to build a theory off of it makes you sound ignorant.

The idea behind sex without a formal relationship is deemed as inappropriate by society. Doesn't stop people from doing it though and I doubt many men are going to object to you wanting to fuck around.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Extending from that, men ridicule and abuse in the context of sex because, no matter how much they hate it, women are the embodiment of sex. Men do not control sex (hence why we can fuck anybody we walk by and you can't and also, why we can make thousands of dollars in a night just for being naked) so over the years Christianity and a number of other bullshit organizations and events have counted on intimidation to quell female sexuality.

Women might embody the idea of sexuality, but so do men. Which is why you see hundreds of paintings and statues depicting the male figure. Both a man and a woman can control who they have sex with. There are plenty of women who feel exaclty how men feel in regards to getting laid from the opposite sex. The only difference is men aren't attached emotionally after the sex.

Not every country in the world tries to suppress female sexuality. You might be talking from a more conservative culture that is the United States. You have to remember who founded the United States, and the ideas it was built upon. There are plenty of countries that still treat their women with a lot of respect, especially in regards to their sexuality and their rights.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Evolutionarily speaking, in today's society women try to settle to establish a permanent status within the community and wealth before they're infertile. Men try to fuck any young thing with big boobs and wide hips. There's something WRONG with this picture. This will not last. The future, I think is one with huge orgies, no STDs, the concept of cheating obsolete, and responsibility.

If not, we're fucked. But I guess we're fucked either way.

I guess you don't understand the reason why men sleep around. As explained in this very same thread, that you probably didn't read through, men try to spread their genes to hopefully pass on their traits. This can be seen in the wild, and it is interesting to notice that a ton of black men have a lot of children by different mothers. Also black men are considered the most animal. (Yes, I know this is going to come off racist, but oh well)

So to blame men for what is engrained in their DNA is wrong when most of the time in marriage women deny men sex to try and control their actions. Women abuse the power they have over their husbands only to later regret it when he goes out and finds another women that is less attractive than her, but she puts out.

quote:Originally posted by y4m4:

Women are just the more visually appealing of the species. This is the opposite of the rest of the animal kingdom. Men are just plain unattractive, women are the pretty ones. Sure there are exceptions to the rule but that doesn't make the rule any less valid.

I don't think that there is a more attractive sex when it comes to humans. Both men and women can be attractive, and despite what a lot of guys will say, they have seen other men who they would say were handsom.

Attractive qualities can be observed everywhere, and I think the only reason you might think women to be more beatiful is because a lot of consumers are men, and they are visual creatures. So, they dress women up to appeal to men.

I don't think black people are naturally more animalistic than other races. I think that (at least here in the south) black CULTURE is less...civilized, but if you take a black person out of that culture, they won't act that way. And I think that black people's promiscuity and lack of birth control are caused by ignorance. A sad fact of black culture (here in the south) is that it condones stupidity and ignorance, so even smart black people often feel compelled to act dumb.

cuz when a girl sleeps with you, in the back of her mind she has to accept you as a partner

It's really just because we have nothing better to do.

=)

It's weird. In a few months I've gone from thinking CarbonB was an asshole to really liking him.

Afraid all the 'evolutionarily speaking' stuff is pretty much true, for anybody who doesn't like the sound of it. Women seek more desirable partners because of the time investment procreation requires from them, comparative to the time investment required from a male. A man could father ten children with absolutely no problems while a woman couldn't have more than one, and as such do not need to pick the absolute best-looking (i.e. most genetically desirable, looks and other physical indicators being our primary means of gauging genetic health) woman with whom to breed--yes, reproduction is seldom the goal of sex these days, but subconsciously our desires are driven by it. It's just that men don't need to be as selective since they could procreate with many more women than a woman could with men. Guys will still go for attractive women, though; obviously, the more attractive the better. They have standards too, just less needs of higher ones. It's not the whole explanation, but a big chunk of it.

Weird how I referred to men as "they" instead of "us", I didn't realise I was doing it. Having both extremely high standards (which I'm happy to say have been met) and a strictly monogamous nature, I guess I don't identify with stereotypical malekind.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

There's one undeniable fact you need to take into account here: There are 500 hot girls to every one hot guy. Maybe it's just everywhere I've stepped my foot, but I swear I see a few hot chicks everyday, I see a hot guy once a month (no exaggeration and that's with the exception of my boyfriend).

I'm not sure this is true, but it is personal opinion reguardless so I couldn't disprove it even if it was false and you can't prove it even if it is true. Women seem to do more to alter their appearance however, there is an entire industry devoted to it, and while men also try to alter their appearance sometimes not nearly as much or as often so that would explain it.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

That being said, women would fuck just as much as men if guys weren't so fucking stupid and made fun of us for it. Personally, I fuck who and when I want, but on a large scale, the perception seems to be the issue. If you have sex without the intention of trying to build a relationship you're a "slut". Perhaps the stigma of that label has created self-esteem issues concerning sexuality in the average high school girl.

This is pretty much true probably. Don't think all guys are stupid like that though, some of us don't hold a negative opinion of a women who's in touch with her urges(I don't at least).

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Extending from that, men ridicule and abuse in the context of sex because, no matter how much they hate it, women are the embodiment of sex. Men do not control sex (hence why we can fuck anybody we walk by and you can't and also, why we can make thousands of dollars in a night just for being naked) so over the years Christianity and a number of other bullshit organizations and events have counted on intimidation to quell female sexuality.

No, this is not true. Well it is true in our society and culture however it is only because this is how our society is. In a different society it would, and has, been different even completely opposit(hint: ancient greece). Also *cringes* CarbonB is right on this one *cringes again*

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

The future, I think is one with huge orgies, no STDs, the concept of cheating obsolete, and responsibility.

Some of us are looking for more than that. Then again when I think about it, other than again I get all of the "more than that" that I am looking for from friendships and the only thing I don't get from friendships that I would want is physical intimacy and if you are right about the future then in the future I would be getting the physical intimacy from the friendships as well, and from more than one of these friendships instead of just one. Hmmm you might be right about this, we'll see in the future I guess.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

The future, I think is one with huge orgies, no STDs, the concept of cheating obsolete, and responsibility.

Orgy-porgy, Ford and fun, Kiss the girls and make them One. Boys at one with girls at peace; Orgy-porgy gives release.

Mr. Happy that was very well put, and Cloaked Dagger why cringe? BWUAHAHAHAHHA!!! I'm still the guy you love to hate.

I don't think the future is going to turn into giant orgies, because there are still people who want only one partner to devote themselves too. We aren't moving closer to how animals act, I think we are moving farther away from it. Even though we still do mimic certain habits of animals, we will eventually evolve past it I think.

Xiao Mei: True black culture in the South is built on ignorance, and most blacks are uneducated. You are probably right that blacks would act different if their enviroment changed, but isn't strange if you look at tribes that still exsist in Africa they act almost identical to the blacks in America?

They are regionally aggressive and try to degrade lower classes in society even more than most cultures. I mean just look at the mass genocide that blacks bring onto other blacks. Why isn't that exhibited in other cultures?

quote:Originally posted by Xiao Mei:

I think that (at least here in the south) black CULTURE is less...civilized

Are you fucking serious? What's with people who won't call a black a nigger but come out with underhand bullshit like this?

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Mr. Happy that was very well put, and Cloaked Dagger why cringe? BWUAHAHAHAHHA!!! I'm still the guy you love to hate.

I don't think the future is going to turn into giant orgies, because there are still people who want only one partner to devote themselves too. We aren't moving closer to how animals act, I think we are moving farther away from it. Even though we still do mimic certain habits of animals, we will eventually evolve past it I think.

Xiao Mei: True black culture in the South is built on ignorance, and most blacks are uneducated. You are probably right that blacks would act different if their enviroment changed, but isn't strange if you look at tribes that still exsist in Africa they act almost identical to the blacks in America?

They are regionally aggressive and try to degrade lower classes in society even more than most cultures. I mean just look at the mass genocide that blacks bring onto other blacks. Why isn't that exhibited in other cultures?

Someones forgetting hitler.

oc6, for a society like that to be, sex would be viewed in an entirely different light. (Yes I'm doing it again) Sociologically speaking, culture plays such a deep-rooted affect on people, they can't decipher how big of a part it plays on them on a day to day basis. I think it would be staggering if we could experiment different cultures on the same person and see how different the same person can really be. Right now, you're right, the life of promiscuity has much to be desired. It often leads to feeling of emptiness, but it doesn't have to. Think of the hippy utopias (not Manson), the consciousness they tried to create. I think there's much to be learned in that social structure. Call me a hippy.

It's hard not to think that society is just going to get looser and looser in the public eye until no one can ignore it any longer and these issues are taken head on. For example, teaching kids not to have sex before marriage and demeaning birth control is retarded, the war on drugs, is retarded. Eventually, things are going to get so out of whack there HAS to be a balance. Children's sexuality and future will be (hopefully) cared for and nurtured. They won't be taught to be ashamed (leading to the high teenage pregnancy of today along with diseases), they'll be taught to be responsible.

Life is crazy. You go through all sorts of emotional standpoints. Sometimes monogamy is right, sometimes you want to play the field, or plainly just can't find anyone who you like enough. I wasn't trying to present a society without any sort of monogamy just one where what's already going on today is reframed by our culture.

And I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, yes, I know it's totally out of the normal view of thinking. I usually am. But this all stemmed from a book with the theory that we came from stoned apes (McKenna). I read Rianne Eisler, Marija Gumbatas. All people who are outside of the norm. I know it's easy to fall into what's been thought for centuries, but I prefer to question what's accepted. You can believe whatever you want, of course you will. But you don't affect me or the amount of time I've spent, reading, writing, thinking, and debating about this. My degrees in psychology are for my career: sexual psychologist, sex therapist, whatever you want to call it. This is what I'm about.

Durell, how do you KNOW what's going to happen? You have no idea. Ever heard of the Greeks? Prevalent homosexuality and casual sex WAS Greece. It's happened before and it's happening right now. We went through an age of stiff Christianity and the notion that sex is dirty. That's turning around now, it's not just going to rest as is. It's going to evolve. Whatever way that is - who knows. I'd like to think that eventually cheating will be obsolete. That our emotions will be developed enough not to experience jealousy and that a communal sense will come with globalization.

Acutally, evolutionarily, sex for pleasure is evolution manifest. Think about it. Real hard. We're not cheating the system, we are MAKING the system, we are the system, we can't cheat the system, that's like saying you can cheat god. We have evolved enough to create the technology so how is that not, by nature, nature?

So, I'm a whorish cunt? I happen to think I have a very healthy view of sex and relationships. Twisted Ferret made a thread the other day about keeping relationships. I was the only who replied with any merit. I'm not saying there aren't people on totse who might know how to keep a relationship going, what I'm pointing out is my own experience (and success) at achieving a very healthy, happy, monogamous relationship. So fuck you.

y4m4 an Cloaked, I think guys are pretty damn sexy. But you're right, I seemed to overlook the butterface factor in women. I still think there's more hot women. That's through MY observation and living in Florida (surgery and expensive makeup walking around everywhere). So you do have a point, however when I try to put myself in a guys shoes, I've personally met many more women I would pursue than guys I've met as a single woman.

CarbonB, my little troll. "A supeficial person who can't tell the difference"? It seems like you just threw that in just to attack me. You're off on you impression of my personality so next...

quote:I believe that the average guy has slept with less than 5 girls before he is married. That isn't much considering I know girls who have slept with over 100+ guys and they are in their 20's

Every poll I have ever seen, every statistic I have EVER read has proven you wrong. I'd say provide me with evidence, but I'm sure you could find some obscure woman-hating website with slanted stats to which I could find 100 websites saying the exact opposite. Admit the bullshit, and give that one up. Guys, by and large, fuck WAY more than women.

Not only that, but the subject wasn't about promiscuity. Did you understand the meaning of that paragraph? I was talking about the affect this point of view has on todays youth and how they act. These girls are being formed into the idea that sex is bad and dirty. They have no love for themselves as sexual beings. They don't respect themselves. That's why girls sleep with guys that they wouldn't have had they had a better and stronger vision of themselves. They act retarded, get drunk, pretend they're lesbians for attention, treat guys like shit, BECAUSE sex is regarded in such a strange way between the sexes. If it was cleared up (the way it is in my own life) things would be better. I say this, again through experience. I've never been used or abused, the men I choose to be with treat me very well and I've never been exploited. It's because, unlike these women we're talking about, I'm not tainted.

Ever heard of the term "bout it", there's chickenhead, whore, slut. They're used to put down women for sleeping around. There tons of words that describe that exact demeaning definition.

quote:I doubt many men are going to object to you wanting to fuck around.

Of course guys don't object to it, not in bed at least. But outside of the bedroom afterwards, I've seen tons of girls talked shit to by guys they fucked because "she a slut". Again, what's your point? It happens all the time, and there's no denying it.

I know that not everyone in the world supresses women's sexuality. I know that not all girls feel inferior to men too. The world provides a basis for everything diverse in humankind to happen, but overall men put themselves in a superior position to women. Just because they treat them well, doesn't mean they don't get paid more or treated better, or respected more in the community. Men hold the dominant position, there's no arguing that. My hopes are that we can settle on partnership and acknowledge the weaknesses and strengths in each of the sexes. "Equality" is too black and white.

I didn't say men are wrong for acting naturally and wanting to spread their genes. If you read a few paragraphs above, I EMBRACED it by suggesting orgies. Or whatever, free sex. Where the women don't feel bad for partaking in the man's wanting to spread his genes. Where men don't feel like they have to keep one up on women by putting them down for having sex. Where women can old themselves with dignity and demand respect by their actions.

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quote:Originally posted by DuckWarri0r:

Originally posted by Xiao Mei:

I think that (at least here in the south) black CULTURE is less...civilized

Are you fucking serious? What's with people who won't call a black a nigger but come out with underhand bullshit like this?

Dood, I know it's not PC and it makes me sad to say it, but it's mostly true. Maybe you've never been to Georgia?

Mojo

I guess people focus on those things that are the most important to them in life. Sex has never been one of those things for me. Regardless of how many partners I might have had, it was never just for the sex. (Even when I have sex-for-one.)

Now, I am not a very social person, so that makes sense for my personality, I suppose. That might well be an important aspect of the manner in which different people prefer to express their sexuality, even moreso than any type of moral or religious upbringing they might have had.

This aspect of my personality also made it possible to be more free to express my sexuality in a loving manner, in addition to the belief in my younger days of the phrase, "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with." That mindset did free me from getting wrapped up in resentment of loves lost and kept me actively seeking that expression of love with quite a few of my lovers even when they were not intended to be life-mates.

It has been in the absence of that...and the games that people often play that I find a certain sense of emptyness. Not in the act itself, but the lack of emotions involved for so many. (Be it out of fear, or a total disconcern for others.)

Aside from that though, I simply do not consider myself to be a very sexual person. Or...at least, what I often read here as a comparison. I can't recall a time when I thought, "Damn, he's fine...I want to fuck him." It was always more the though of, "He's interesting...I'd like to get closer to him to get to know him better."

But sex, just for sex. That's rarely where my mind is...and if my mind is not there. (...well...'nuff said about that, I guess...I think I'm rambling again...)

I don't think I'm expressing this very well, and I keep trying to come back to it to clarify things a little. It's hard to do when a person is not really a talker. It's just...that sense of knowing myself so very very well...and those things that drive me.

When I first came here. I remember thinking...how boring I am in comparison to so many others here. I actually felt I might be lacking in something because I don't have a very kinkyness to me. But, now, I've actually become accepting of that because it just does not suit me. It never did, and it never will. And that is okay by me now.

[ramble, ramble, ramble...:P ]

another edit (chuckling as I do):

I've often referred to myself as "vanilla thru and thru", but in pondering this side of me I find I am like "a béchamel sauce, rich with nutmeg".

Such a beautiful, beautiful spring evening here tonight.



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You know, oc6. I recently wrote a letter to my boyfriend where I said, "I've learned to appreciate the beauty of things as they are". I totally appreciate everyone's beliefs in the gamut of crazy shit out there, but at the same time, I have the screen of subjectivity and the lack of funds to actually do the hands on field work. All I have to work with is my knowledge, reading, and people who help understand and become more aware of the details, like you.

I'm a very sexual person. A big part of me is that sense of sexual goddess and sensuality. It defines a large part of who I am. I didn't really think about the people who don't have the sexuality I do. But even with that consideration, people by and large want to have sex, and even the kinky is natural. I guess it all comes down the the Hermetic philosophy of duality and poles. It's the gamut. Nature is yin and yang yada yada...

I identify with you about he Crosby Stills Nash and Young lyric. Actually the entire paragraph is something I've recently learned.

And those games, getting away from the manipulation is what my idea is trying to get away from. In my, let's call it, "Fantasy World", casual sex has emotional ties. You can truly enjoy and appreciate each other's bodies and share passion without commitment. Like I said before, monogamy is always in option in this world, this is just the alternative to the sexual culture of today.

First and foremost to silverballs, Hitler was not Jewish. Blacks killing blacks is not the same as an Austrian trying to blame and kill Jews.

Secondly, Mojo wow, you are full of shit, and I am now going to address it.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

c6, for a society like that to be, sex would be viewed in an entirely different light. (Yes I'm doing it again) Sociologically speaking, culture plays such a deep-rooted affect on people, they can't decipher how big of a part it plays on them on a day to day basis. I think it would be staggering if we could experiment different cultures on the same person and see how different the same person can really be. Right now, you're right, the life of promiscuity has much to be desired. It often leads to feeling of emptiness, but it doesn't have to. Think of the hippy utopias (not Manson), the consciousness they tried to create. I think there's much to be learned in that social structure. Call me a hippy.

The "utopia" you are talking about that Hippy's built wasn't anything that can be applied to an actual society. Considering despite what you think, not everyone is on mind altering drugs. Consciousness they tried to create? You mean by contributing jack of shit? Lol...so you're a hippy eh?

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

It's hard not to think that society is just going to get looser and looser in the public eye until no one can ignore it any longer and these issues are taken head on. For example, teaching kids not to have sex before marriage and demeaning birth control is retarded, the war on drugs, is retarded. Eventually, things are going to get so out of whack there HAS to be a balance. Children's sexuality and future will be (hopefully) cared for and nurtured. They won't be taught to be ashamed (leading to the high teenage pregnancy of today along with diseases), they'll be taught to be responsible.

Well it is easy to call something "retarded", but again you don't know what you are talking about. There is a reason for the "war" on drugs. It creates jobs and money. Mind telling me if we were to somehow stop all flow of drugs, or legalize all drugs, where jobs would come from to employ all those police officers?

Then you are saying that it isn't wrong to have sex before marriage and that it is "retarded" to say otherwise. Again, what was the United States built on? It wasn't ideas of liberal sex throughout the countryside.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Life is crazy. You go through all sorts of emotional standpoints. Sometimes monogamy is right, sometimes you want to play the field, or plainly just can't find anyone who you like enough. I wasn't trying to present a society without any sort of monogamy just one where what's already going on today is reframed by our culture.

Huh? So since you can't find someone you "like" enough, you might as well go out and fuck people just fill that need eh? Yea, life sure is crazy...WOO! Can't decide if I want to fuck one person for the rest of my life, or thousands. Hard choice, or maybe it is only a hard choice of you are uninformed female with no clue as to who she is?

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

And I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, yes, I know it's totally out of the normal view of thinking. I usually am. But this all stemmed from a book with the theory that we came from stoned apes (McKenna). I read Rianne Eisler, Marija Gumbatas. All people who are outside of the norm. I know it's easy to fall into what's been thought for centuries, but I prefer to question what's accepted. You can believe whatever you want, of course you will. But you don't affect me or the amount of time I've spent, reading, writing, thinking, and debating about this. My degrees in psychology are for my career: sexual psychologist, sex therapist, whatever you want to call it. This is what I'm about.

Lol this is what you are about? Then you got a long ways to go...

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Durell, how do you KNOW what's going to happen? You have no idea. Ever heard of the Greeks? Prevalent homosexuality and casual sex WAS Greece. It's happened before and it's happening right now. We went through an age of stiff Christianity and the notion that sex is dirty. That's turning around now, it's not just going to rest as is. It's going to evolve. Whatever way that is - who knows. I'd like to think that eventually cheating will be obsolete. That our emotions will be developed enough not to experience jealousy and that a communal sense will come with globalization.

You think the globalization of casual partners is going to free people of jealousy? LOL! Come on now, you talk about Greece as if you've read something on the subject, so you must know "Et tu Brute?". Sound familiar? Jealousy is an emotion that has always been prevelant. Sleeping around isn't going to stop it.



quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Acutally, evolutionarily, sex for pleasure is evolution manifest. Think about it. Real hard. We're not cheating the system, we are MAKING the system, we are the system, we can't cheat the system, that's like saying you can cheat god. We have evolved enough to create the technology so how is that not, by nature, nature?

Eh? You are trying to say that humans are the only creatures on earth that use sex for pleasure? Or are we the only creatures on earth that use sex to try and gain an emotional attachment? You sound ridiculous right about now. Although I am sure you think you sound brilliant.



quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

So, I'm a whorish cunt? I happen to think I have a very healthy view of sex and relationships. Twisted Ferret made a thread the other day about keeping relationships. I was the only who replied with any merit. I'm not saying there aren't people on totse who might know how to keep a relationship going, what I'm pointing out is my own experience (and success) at achieving a very healthy, happy, monogamous relationship. So fuck you.



Hey, I am sure you think you have a healthy view of relationships. Insane people can't admit that they are insane either. Just like you aren't going to admit you are wrong and sound crazy. You are now talking about monogamous relationships? Lol, weren't you just trying to theorize about how we are going to evolve past emotions through promiscuity? Might as well take a night job being a hooker.



quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

y4m4 an Cloaked, I think guys are pretty damn sexy. But you're right, I seemed to overlook the butterface factor in women. I still think there's more hot women. That's through MY observation and living in Florida (surgery and expensive makeup walking around everywhere). So you do have a point, however when I try to put myself in a guys shoes, I've personally met many more women I would pursue than guys I've met as a single woman.

CarbonB, my little troll. "A supeficial person who can't tell the difference"? It seems like you just threw that in just to attack me. You're off on you impression of my personality so next...

I think you are one of the only people I have ever met who actually thinks they are intelligent, and doesn't realize that they are an ass. Saying you aren't superficial? Was it an attack on you? Yes, I hate superficial girls. What emphasizes this trait even more is you just said attractive women in Florida and mentioned makeup and surgery.

If that doesn't make you a shallow clueless bitch, mentioning beauty and surgery in the same sentence...I don't know what does. You truely are making this very easy.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Every poll I have ever seen, every statistic I have EVER read has proven you wrong. I'd say provide me with evidence, but I'm sure you could find some obscure woman-hating website with slanted stats to which I could find 100 websites saying the exact opposite. Admit the bullshit, and give that one up. Guys, by and large, fuck WAY more than women.

Not only that, but the subject wasn't about promiscuity. Did you understand the meaning of that paragraph? I was talking about the affect this point of view has on todays youth and how they act. These girls are being formed into the idea that sex is bad and dirty. They have no love for themselves as sexual beings. They don't respect themselves. That's why girls sleep with guys that they wouldn't have had they had a better and stronger vision of themselves. They act retarded, get drunk, pretend they're lesbians for attention, treat guys like shit, BECAUSE sex is regarded in such a strange way between the sexes. If it was cleared up (the way it is in my own life) things would be better. I say this, again through experience. I've never been used or abused, the men I choose to be with treat me very well and I've never been exploited. It's because, unlike these women we're talking about, I'm not tainted.

Ever heard of the term "bout it", there's chickenhead, whore, slut. They're used to put down women for sleeping around. There tons of words that describe that exact demeaning definition.

You want everyone to mimic you and your relationships? Good god, I could only imagine what that would bring. No, I am sorry to say, that women definitely sleep around more than men. Which is hilarious considering women complain that there is a double standard. When behind the scenes we all know that girls sleep around more.

Of all the guys I know, the one to of slept with the most girls has only slept with around 18. Care to know how many guys out of all the girls I know have slept with? Would you like to? I mean, since you are so keen to go off "observations". So you are upset that women are harassed for being sluts. Tell me why I should care? Ever hear anyone calling Marilyn Monroe a slut/tease/tramp/bopper/whore? No? There is classy, and then there is you.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Of course guys don't object to it, not in bed at least. But outside of the bedroom afterwards, I've seen tons of girls talked shit to by guys they fucked because "she a slut". Again, what's your point? It happens all the time, and there's no denying it.

I know that not everyone in the world supresses women's sexuality. I know that not all girls feel inferior to men too. The world provides a basis for everything diverse in humankind to happen, but overall men put themselves in a superior position to women. Just because they treat them well, doesn't mean they don't get paid more or treated better, or respected more in the community. Men hold the dominant position, there's no arguing that. My hopes are that we can settle on partnership and acknowledge the weaknesses and strengths in each of the sexes. "Equality" is too black and white.

I didn't say men are wrong for acting naturally and wanting to spread their genes. If you read a few paragraphs above, I EMBRACED it by suggesting orgies. Or whatever, free sex. Where the women don't feel bad for partaking in the man's wanting to spread his genes. Where men don't feel like they have to keep one up on women by putting them down for having sex. Where women can old themselves with dignity and demand respect by their actions.

What the fuck are you talking about? You honestly think a 100 women want to go to an orgy to get impregnated? Lol...come on now. There is a reason that men hold a dominant position in society. That is how the pecking order works, and it WILL NEVER CHANGE!

You are asking to completely reconstruct the ideas that are imbedded into our genes. It isn't going to happen. Men aren't the superior sex, neither are women. Society however is built around what naturally occurs. Men have domineering positions because men are NATURALLY DOMINANT. Is this to say that all men are dominant? No, is this to say that all women are submissive? No. Nature has been kind enough to bless us with an expection to ever rule when it comes to social bounds with humans.

You are obtuse, and your ideas represent such. Paid more? Or treated better? Let us look at it in this light. How many groups of guys have very close guy friends? How many girls have very close girlfriends? Women treat each other like shit to compete for men. Men look out for each other, women on the other hand backstab each other.

In the workplace, in public, in relationships, and in every social venue known to man. Chalk it up to whatever you want, but trying to fit everything into a neat little package isn't a sure way of explaining your theories. Get a fucking clue, then come back after you have read for "endless" amounts of hours. Lol....

That sure is a long post for saying absolutely nothing worth replying to.

Is that another "fact" based off of observation? Eh? I know you don't want to get into a verbal arguement. You will lose credibility in the forums you Moderate. Lol, it was amusing talking to you for a bit though.

I feel sexually enlightened just by reading your racey and liberal views of what sex really should be like, and how I should better mirror my relationships to yours.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

That sure is a long post for saying absolutely nothing worth replying to.





Wow, how weak is this. You're not taking the "high road" here when someone rips everything you've said into pieces. Gotta come back with something, or just admit defeat, accept that today you were not the victor, and come back and fight another day.

I don't blame you though. CarbonB didn't call you a cunt and shit like everyone was expecting, he literally tore your mentality down and exposed it for the pure image it is.

Always a pleasure to see someone who talks like they have all the answers get put in their place. This is actually highly typical in women. CarbonB pullin some Socrates shit.

oh my, i believe mojo just got raped. she probly liked it tho, after all, free love is the sexually enlightened mentality, is it not?

"Don't argue with a fool people may not know the difference."

CarbonB, I know what you think already. I've already heard it. It'd be a waste of time.

Back in my baby days at totse I chose to get into a political argument with I think his name was oldpervert. It went on for pages and I quickly realized, it's just not really worth it. If you were giving me a solid argument, something interesting and stimulating, I might bite. But your saying the same old shit and getting your ego-boost by a bunch of little kids.

I'm here for an intelligent argument. Drop the attitude.

Yes...I agree with carbonb as well, although I would not have been as blunt as he was.:P

mrmojorisin: The future you envision may sound all enlightened and liberal to you, but it wouldn't be the way you are thinking. Humans may not be naturally monogomous with just one partner, but we are designed to live in family groups. I think that if humans hadn't become civilized, that our families would consist of one man with 3 or 4 "wives." By "wives" I mean women that he would protect and hunt for and they would bear his children and do domestic tasks. Humans aren't meant to have sex with hundreds of people...I mean it's not even just about the act of sex itself. Humans want love and affection far more than actual sex and you're just not going to get that in the Brave New World you have described.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you take the heart out of sex...You've diminished us as humans.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:



I'm here for an intelligent argument. Drop the attitude.

You have yet to offer anything of real intelligence. Carbon's argument and rebuttals have destroyed yours. People will remember you lost the fight for about 5 seconds and then it's on to the next thread.

quote:Durell, how do you KNOW what's going to happen? You have no idea. Ever heard of the Greeks? Prevalent homosexuality and casual sex WAS Greece. It's happened before and it's happening right now. We went through an age of stiff Christianity and the notion that sex is dirty. That's turning around now, it's not just going to rest as is. It's going to evolve. Whatever way that is - who knows. I'd like to think that eventually cheating will be obsolete. That our emotions will be developed enough not to experience jealousy and that a communal sense will come with globalization.

You're right about one thing -- I don't know whether or not our current society will degenerate to such a state of self-indulgence. However, I do take issue with your historical examples... largely because you're incorrect. When looking at historical precedent, societies that become immensely decadent tend to collapse into themselves. Saying that casual sexuality was Greece, is ignorant. In Greek history, for example, a focus on gratuitous sex didn't dominate, as with the Roman Empire, until late in the game (In the decades preceding their collapse). At Greece's heighth, soldiers were told to bond with other soldiers, to give them something to fight for and added morale. Now, these relationships, while homosexual, weren't open. In the same way, in a treatise on the works of Socrates, it was advocated for students of renowned masters to, again, bond via a sexual relationship... this makes sense from a scientific stand-point, since the oxytocin that releases during orgasm helps to strengthen the existing bond between soldiers or students and their teachers. You seem quite intelligent, Mojo, so I don't mind going through and explaining scientific and historical specifics to you.

quote:Acutally, evolutionarily, sex for pleasure is evolution manifest. Think about it. Real hard. We're not cheating the system, we are MAKING the system, we are the system, we can't cheat the system, that's like saying you can cheat god. We have evolved enough to create the technology so how is that not, by nature, nature?

Because our bodies have not evolved to deal with the addition of prophylactics into our evolutionary reality. Think of it this way, an intelligent aquatic race invents a helmet that allows them to breathe air and move about on land... now, because water has an oxygenated component, the aquatic people are able to, over the course of thousands of years, slowly add more oxygenation into their helmet, eventually becoming amphibious. It takes thousands of years for this to become natural. That's my point. It's not natural for human beings to fly through the air in fucking planes, but we still do it. One question... what is a better example of evolution manifest:

a) Sex for pleasure

b) Sex to pro-create

quote:So, I'm a whorish cunt? I happen to think I have a very healthy view of sex and relationships. Twisted Ferret made a thread the other day about keeping relationships. I was the only who replied with any merit. I'm not saying there aren't people on totse who might know how to keep a relationship going, what I'm pointing out is my own experience (and success) at achieving a very healthy, happy, monogamous relationship. So fuck you.

Hey... a man's gotta have opinions ; )

I'll disagree with a bunch of what CarbonB has said later.

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quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

"Don't argue with a fool people may not know the difference."

CarbonB, I know what you think already. I've already heard it. It'd be a waste of time.

Back in my baby days at totse I chose to get into a political argument with I think his name was oldpervert. It went on for pages and I quickly realized, it's just not really worth it. If you were giving me a solid argument, something interesting and stimulating, I might bite. But your saying the same old shit and getting your ego-boost by a bunch of little kids.

I'm here for an intelligent argument. Drop the attitude.

Right off the bat I can confirm that Xiao Mei is not a child and has a solid foundation under her, the same can be said for SlapinFoFun.

What is the real reason you don't want to debate with me? Do you not want people to see that there might be a possibility that I can best you in an argument? That I might be more intelligent than yourself?

Just because at times I choose to be harsh and use rude and crude words, does not mean I can't express thought in a civilized manner.

You go on about your business though, I don't want your entire world that you have created to come crashing down upon itself.

"if you take the heart out of sex..You've diminished us as humans." I liked that Xiao, lol clears some thoughts up.

quote:Originally posted by Graah:

If you take the random guy, he would gladly fuck a decent looking chick, generally regardless of her personality of brains (provided there were no strings attached, ie, a relationship).

However, most girls won't do this, even with a decent or good looking guy. They expect a relationship, or at least trust, normally.

Why? Is it some evolutionary thing?

This post is so full of ludicrous generalizations, I don't even know where to begin.

First off, I don't know where you live, but on the east side of Milwaukee, girls who fuck easily are a solid majority. Rest assured, our experiences differ.

As to the "guys'll fuck it if it's cute" thing, this is a dumb stereotype based on teenage boys, and older men who, deep down, never stopped being teenage boys. Those of us who've been around the block a couple of times, however, realize that this whole outlook leads rapidly to a lame existence.

It's pretty much the same for both genders: some people you wanna fuck, some people you wanna date as well. If your target wants something other than you do, then oh well - move along.

Halleluiah Hollaback!

I'm a guy and I have high standards. Not really so much "high" standards as "narrow" standards. I like a very specific type of girl.

*ObZ

Women just for some reason think they have the right to be shallower than we are while claiming that men all mistreat them.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

I fuck who and when I want...

Point proven, chicks think they are the shizzle and deserve the nizzle from your chizzle. Thiz fizzles my nizzle how ever so if a chick says this to you shizzle on her chest and wizzle in her mouth.

- ♫.i.b.y.v.n.t.h.♫

Mojo, your view of human sexuality seems to be very heavily influenced by your own experiences and morals. Most people do the same, granted, but if the majority of people in this thread are doing that and disagreeing with you, it might be a sign you're not right on this one.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:



And those games, getting away from the manipulation is what my idea is trying to get away from. In my, let's call it, "Fantasy World", casual sex has emotional ties. You can truly enjoy and appreciate each other's bodies and share passion without commitment. Like I said before, monogamy is always in option in this world, this is just the alternative to the sexual culture of today.

I just feel like this point of Mojo's has been overlooked or misunderstood. She's not talking about emotionless or loveless sexual relations. Just relations outside of monogamy as an alternative.

[Please correct me if I am wrong about this Mojo]

I guess you don't understand then how the majority of women that sleep around are unhappy. Why is that? Why would you be unhappy? In the future you are saying that people are going to no longer become emotionally destroyed from sleeping around so much?

The only sex capable of that would be men. On the majority women want one man to be with, that they can have kids with. Sleeping around forever isn't very appealing to anyone except guys who never grew up.

There's A LOT that's been misunderstood and I don't feel like explaining further. I knew the can of worms I was opening when I said what I did, but I wasn't looking for arguing for 50 pages either. I said what I need to say, if people take it the wrong way, it's no surprise, it's not like it hasn't happened a ton of times before.

What I DID gain from this thread was from you and Mr Happy. I tend to be egocentric because I have a VERY strong sense of who I am. While a lot of people (around me at least) don't, or ignore certain parts of themselves I embrace every part of me and love myself. On that note, I will admit, my beliefs are bias, but if those beliefs guide me to the right ACTION, that's what matters when it comes down to it.

My view on religion: Everyone believe whatever you want. Just do it ALL THE WAY. Muslims, Christians, Hindus, I respect all of them as long as they really follow their religion. It's not about "Who's right". Truth is no one alive today has ever talked to Allah or Jah and no one here will be alive to track the evolution of sexuality.

What I CAN do is offer my two cents, which can either reconfirm or make people question their beliefs. And that's cool.

Attacking with half-witted bullshit is not cool.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

[B]... or make people question their beliefs.

That's one of my favorite things....

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

There's A LOT that's been misunderstood and I don't feel like explaining further. I knew the can of worms I was opening when I said what I did, but I wasn't looking for arguing for 50 pages either. I said what I need to say, if people take it the wrong way, it's no surprise, it's not like it hasn't happened a ton of times before.

What I DID gain from this thread was from you and Mr Happy. I tend to be egocentric because I have a VERY strong sense of who I am. While a lot of people (around me at least) don't, or ignore certain parts of themselves I embrace every part of me and love myself. On that note, I will admit, my beliefs are bias, but if those beliefs guide me to the right ACTION, that's what matters when it comes down to it.

My view on religion: Everyone believe whatever you want. Just do it ALL THE WAY. Muslims, Christians, Hindus, I respect all of them as long as they really follow their religion. It's not about "Who's right". Truth is no one alive today has ever talked to Allah or Jah and no one here will be alive to track the evolution of sexuality.

What I CAN do is offer my two cents, which can either reconfirm or make people question their beliefs. And that's cool.

Attacking with half-witted bullshit is not cool.

You sound like you are trying to trick me into drinking the poisoned kool-aid. Like the leader of the cult trying to defend the most moronic ideas. Just cut the bullshit, you are wrong. You don't love yourself, and if you didn't, you wouldn't sound like a jackass when talking about relationships.

Wow, what a fucking cowardly way to back out. Great way to prove your intelligence, you moronic sow.

quote:Originally posted by Graah:

If you take the random guy, he would gladly fuck a decent looking chick, generally regardless of her personality of brains (provided there were no strings attached, ie, a relationship).

However, most girls won't do this, even with a decent or good looking guy. They expect a relationship, or at least trust, normally.

Why? Is it some evolutionary thing?



No way. I have high standards. I want a girl who will be devoted before we even have sex. I rather wait four months before we do anything like that. I mean, if we move fast, that's ok; but I want her to be devoted and caring. I don't want to have sex right away.

I like a girl with intelligence and wisdom. More than anything, I love a woman who can take my bullshit, ranting, and aggression and calmly deal with it, and then love me and console me.

Mmm. I love black women.

quote:Originally posted by YouLookFourteen:

because we're called sluts if we do that, plain and simple.

I think this answers the original question very well...

^Sick_Boy, don't get yourself caught in the cross-fire. That is not why women have such higher standards.

quote:Originally posted by bloodenangel:

You took my answer!

mine as well.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Attacking with half-witted bullshit is not cool.

I actually think pretty much everyone on here who has been "Attacking" you has done so in a very intelligent and articulate manner. Carbonb especially has made several valid points...And you haven't even bothered to defend your beliefs against them.

quote:Originally posted by YouLookFourteen:

because we're called sluts if we do that, plain and simple.

That's pretty fucking weak. People get called names all the time for doing all manner of things, yet they're only going to take it to heart if they see that in themselves too.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

no one here will be alive to track the evolution of sexuality.

I'm not sure sexuality does or will evolve, except on a personal level for each individual. I say that because, at one age I felt a certain way about things and behaved accordingly. At another age, I felt another and my behavior reflected that.

As far as discussion in this thread goes...as soon as I see people throwing insults...I generally lose interest in reading their posts.

Womens standards aren't high for sex at all. Any average broad will go to a party, get tipsy, and then use that as an excuse to get double penetrated. Women have high standards only when it comes to relationships!

Have you ever seen the checklist bitches have for men? I always wonder how they manage to store such a long list in their tiny brains. For women to even consider giving you a chance you have to have dark hair, blue eyes, tall, muscular, witty/funny, have plenty of spending money, a decent car, good sense of dress, much more intelligent than her, ETC. If you are missing atleast one of these attributes, most women will notice that immediatly (way before noticing your positives) and you will be scratched off her pretentious little list.

Women wait their whole lives for Prince Charming to sweep them off their feet, they always arrogantly think they can do better. It's the product of their weak, feeble minds.

And what happens when you let women have control over anything.

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^Can't say I agree with this. Men have standards just like women do, and even though your current boyfriend/girlfriend isn't your "perfect" match, you compromise because you still care for them.

Stuck up bitches are the ones you are referring to, and the type of men they want don't really mind spending money/time on them to make them happy. Since they are getting pussy in exchange.

Because women are stupid fucks.

Edit: Well, thats not the whole reason, I just don't feel like typing a shit load of points that have already been made in this thread.

But basically

Genetically speaking men try to fuck as much as possible because it requires little time (however long the sex is), and they want to pass on genes.

Women try to select the best mate possible to ensure a healthy baby and its a large commitment (9 months - many years).

In modern times, society encourages men to fuck as much as possible, but if a women fucks without a relationship shes a whore.

Simple as that.



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quote:Originally posted by Whore of God:

But wouldn't men also want their offspring to survive, and thus want to invest at least some resources into them to help ensure their chances of survival? If the offspring doesn't survive to reproduce that would make mating useless.



ya, but if you fuck 300 chicks and knock 200 of them up, there is a greater chance more of the 200 will survive than if you had knocked up one and stayed with her

Women have pussy and tits and men have a dick and....and...

sorry they out pleasured us 2/1

I didn't read any of the responses, but:

biochemistry, society's inflicted norms, etc.

And thats a horrible overgeneralization...I've been with quite a few girls just looking for a fuck. Maybe it's because I'm quiet, polite, and not actively trying to be a player, like I see most guys.

mike

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

^Sick_Boy, don't get yourself caught in the cross-fire. That is not why women have such higher standards.

Cross-fire... lmao...

Cross-fire is what makes a debate a debate, if you can't handle the heat then gtfo of the pan.

quote:Originally posted by DuckWarri0r:

Originally posted by Xiao Mei:

I think that (at least here in the south) black CULTURE is less...civilized

Are you fucking serious? What's with people who won't call a black a nigger but come out with underhand bullshit like this?

If you won't admit it here, then admit at least to your self.

You have never been to the south, you haven't lived there.

Black culture in Georgia, Virginia, and places that, those places you think 'confederate' is one that is very vengeful, very uncouth, and violent.

Black folk get no beef from me, the black scene here in California is fine, its excellent, despite some less then savory thugs in LA.

Lebs, abbos, wops, niggers, crackers, hillbillies, whatever, some places the culture is ingrained closely to the race, and that culture can be distasteful or harmful.

Sorry to break it to you Totse lib-fags, but blacks are uncivilized in the South. They're also uncivilized in the North. And the West. And the East. Hell, come to think of it, blacks are just an inferior race!

quote:Originally posted by VladimirIllyichLenin:

Sorry to break it to you Totse lib-fags, but blacks are uncivilized in the South. They're also uncivilized in the North. And the West. And the East. Hell, come to think of it, blacks are just an inferior race!

Question?

How many times have you cross the street when you saw a nigger? Inferior hahahah lol

quote:Originally posted by Bazzle:

If you won't admit it here, then admit at least to your self.

You have never been to the south, you haven't lived there.

You're an idiot, I lived in the south for 2 years. Lol assumptions.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Ever hear anyone calling Marilyn Monroe a slut/tease/tramp/bopper/whore? No? There is classy, and then there is you.



Heh, I have always thought that Marilyn Monroe was a whore. But for some reason, all women seem to idol her even thought she was the queen of the fucking sluts. I think all women are really just whores inside, and they dont want to admit it because they dont want their fellow peers to know. As you can tell, I have little respect for most women. Though I also have little respect for most men as well.

quote:Originally posted by Sick_Boy:

I think this answers the original question very well...

Although some men (myself included) will not fuck any "half decent looking chick"

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quote:Originally posted by DuckWarri0r:

Originally posted by Xiao Mei:

I think that (at least here in the south) black CULTURE is less...civilized

Are you fucking serious? What's with people who won't call a black a nigger but come out with underhand bullshit like this?...because it's true. Blacks call women "hoes" and "bitch". They don't use proper english. Most don't have nearly as much education as whites.