Last june people got much further along in the planning stage. I told them why it wouldn't work, they didn't believe me, and the thread grew hugely until some of them realized the minority opinion was correct. Basically, your just giving money to eachother and redistributing it evenly, bennefiting nobody.

quote:Originally posted by waves:

Last june people got much further along in the planning stage. I told them why it wouldn't work, they didn't believe me, and the thread grew hugely until some of them realized the minority opinion was correct. Basically, your just giving money to eachother and redistributing it evenly, bennefiting nobody.

That was my thread actually (I believe it was called 'A good Moola scheme'). It failed due to a huge lack of trust, participation, coordination and cooperation. Greed was also an issue. I had about 15-20 people willing to do it, 5 of which even held contact with me. Some other person started a seperate private (free) forum dedicated to this plan.

BELIEVE ME, it's not going to work! I tried it and ended up wasting a lot of valuable time. Sorry to burst your bubble, you seem to have put a lot of thought and time into this as I did. Just be glad I was the one to prove it wrong. Take my advice, or don't, and further prove this idea's impossibility. You've been warned.

quote:Originally posted by General Mills:

That was my thread actually (I believe it was called 'A good Moola scheme'). It failed due to a huge lack of trust, participation, coordination and cooperation. Greed was also an issue. I had about 15-20 people willing to do it, 5 of which even held contact with me. Some other person started a seperate private (free) forum dedicated to this plan.

BELIEVE ME, it's not going to work! I tried it and ended up wasting a lot of valuable time. Sorry to burst your bubble, you seem to have put a lot of thought and time into this as I did. Just be glad I was the one to prove it wrong. Take my advice, or don't, and further prove this idea's impossibility. You've been warned.

What if we were to have board of 5 people, me at the top and another trusted totsean to collect, who is elected by the board? I can recruit people... I helped to build our &TOTSE whatpulse team to 236.

You cant find trusted people on the internet it's simple as that. Your plan would work hypothetically but its all a trust issue and the internet has none.

quote:Originally posted by Megashira:

You cant find trusted people on the internet it's simple as that. Your plan would work hypothetically but its all a trust issue and the internet has none.



If we get 3 people to win, at least one person could be trusted... You could at least bank on I will be true to my word.

Edit: What is with all this untrust, anyway? If somebody does take the money it's only an hour or 2 out of your life, if that!...

I mean, everybody is acting like they have something riding on it...



[This message has been edited by NuclearWinter (edited 01-03-2007).]

Hey if you do decide to do this I would be glad to be at the top. Hopefully people here can trust me. If I can do anything to prove people that I am trustworthy let me know.

what kind of name is les

I've tried 100 times to get a pack of these sorry losers to work together to make some money. They don't care. You'll get a few people here that want to prove this wrong, and they'll stand with you on this plan for now, but they will abandon you.

D00ds, your strategy is actually fundamentally flawed. Moolah normally does exactly the same thing, only it chooses randomly. If you all go on it, no matter how organised it is, it will end up on average no better than you all just playing it normally and splitting any money made.

everyone starts with 1 cent

after millions and millions of games it is all consentrated into one persons account with a few thousand bucks.

but if we were to divide it all out again everyone would only get a few cents back.

This will never work. Even if you win "thousands of millions" you won't get it...do you think a site like that actually HAS the money? Nobody ever wins, it's just a gimmick. So this is pointless because:

a. The site will not allow you to make millions of dollars.

b. Even if you could make that much, they don't have the money.

c. Even if you could make that much, you would be the only person and they would find out you cheated.

So there's no way you'll get anything out of them.

I wish that sort of thing would work, but you are in Bad Ideas on Totse.

There are some shady people on Totse, let alone in Bad Ideas.

If you find a way, hit up my addy: majinbijiita@yahoo.com

I am not really known in this forum I don't think, but I'm pretty well known in the BLTC.

Hope you find a way, but, I really doubt it.

The problem is not that people are untrustworthy, or that moola is a scam. Moola will payout whatever you win, and you could probably get a solid crew of people together. Really, the idea is impossible just by it's very nature.

The problem is that to make any money on moola, you have to take it from someone else, so if you give the money right back to the people you took it from (which would be the last step in the plan,) nobody gains any money. Think about the flowchart. If fred and company start on level 1, then fred will end with 8 cents on level 4, and everyone else will be back to the beggining. 8 cents/8 people in the plan=1 cent final profit for each person, exactly the amount of money they started with. Adding more people or starting on a higher level doesn't change anything, they just get the money they started with.

Moola is a brilliant idea because the company takes no risk at all. After they give someone the 1 cent, they dont care who wins who's money, because they already made their cash from the advertiser.

quote:Originally posted by Captain Kaboom:

I've tried 100 times to get a pack of these sorry losers to work together to make some money. They don't care. You'll get a few people here that want to prove this wrong, and they'll stand with you on this plan for now, but they will abandon you.

I'm willing to work with you.

quote:Originally posted by waves:

The problem is not that people are untrustworthy, or that moola is a scam. Moola will payout whatever you win, and you could probably get a solid crew of people together. Really, the idea is impossible just by it's very nature.

The problem is that to make any money on moola, you have to take it from someone else, so if you give the money right back to the people you took it from (which would be the last step in the plan,) nobody gains any money. Think about the flowchart. If fred and company start on level 1, then fred will end with 8 cents on level 4, and everyone else will be back to the beggining. 8 cents/8 people in the plan=1 cent final profit for each person, exactly the amount of money they started with. Adding more people or starting on a higher level doesn't change anything, they just get the money they started with.

Moola is a brilliant idea because the company takes no risk at all. After they give someone the 1 cent, they dont care who wins who's money, because they already made their cash from the advertiser.

QFT

WHY can't you dumbasses understand this man?? Your plan will never work, just think about it.

Waves, I read that thread during the summer, and you were the sole voice of reason. Mad props to you.

quote:I've tried 100 times to get a pack of these sorry losers to work together to make some money. They don't care. You'll get a few people here that want to prove this wrong, and they'll stand with you on this plan for now, but they will abandon you.

Before you dedicate time to proving the plan in reality, think about the theory behind the plan for a while. You will realize it can't work, and that devoting any time to it would be a waste. The only way to realistically make money on moola would be to automate dozens of accounts, which would be illegal and would probably fail, or to find a way to consistently win one of the games, which moola has purposely made impossible so that new players will experience some limited sucsess and keep playing. And thank you Magicalcanofsprite.

Wont work. All the pennies come from someone. This has been planned out before, and mathematically proven that it will not work. Good luck though.

Do they track ip's?

Actually, thanks to the restart feature that moola happily gives you, you can just..RESTART to gain back the original penny, along with the possibility of a bonus $1, or more.

Although, before you nooblets all run for your Microsoft word and trusty ol' paint for diagrams and flowcharts; this method would be slow and have a very small profit margin. It would be easier and more profitable to start your own website, and offer to sell ads to the companies and scam artists you see before signing up for moola.com at a lower rate.

All with one account? But don't you need atleast $10 to cashout??

[This message has been edited by crud3w4re (edited 01-04-2007).]

I don't see this working. When you move a step up on the ladder, your money isn't doubled, you're simply claiming whatever money your opponent had bet. To make it to the four cent mark, you will have had to make it past the two cent mark and the one cent mark, which means that someone lost a penny seven three times, or lost a two cent game once and a one cent game once. See the pattern?

If a Totseian were to willfully lose a game to another Totseian, he would have to lose a penny at a time (unless he bets more money, in which case, a profit he will have made from someone else losing a game a penny at a time). I'm not saying that it is impossible, just way too painstaking to make it worth it.

For one person to make ten dollars, X people need to lose a collective 1,000 times. It's just lots of lost pennies moving around, never dollars.

When I played Moola I thought of recruiting Totse members to try something similar. After looking at what was happening, I reasoned that the only efficent way to win money with help was so submit money to people by losing. Basically, once someone has won a few dollars from other players, they donate it to the Totseian who is going to redeem the money.

But do they track ip's? Maybe, we can keep restarting one account, until it receives the $1 bonus. Use it to boost up your other account hm

I had a similar plan but it never involved giving the money back to those who helped but instead to bet against a random person. Take your flow chart for example, if Fred has a bunch of trustworthy people helping him and makes it to a very high level (easily with help) and then instead of giving money back, takes all the money and bets it on a match against someone else, Fred has somewhat of a chance of winning and doubling the money. If he wins, the money is given back to the helpers and the whole system starts again but starting on level 2.

This plan rides on the 50/50 shot that at the top of the pyramid, Fred will win. If he looses, the whole system crashes down and everybody cries.

It IS a gamble even if it is pulled off correctly and has limitations (you can only risk so much money because few people can even afford to play at the higher levels) but starting at a higher level will give you a better shot at gaining any money.

Another thing to consider with this plan is that the payoff will be very small at first (woopdy shit, 2 fucking sense) and humans by nature will most likely loose interest quickly.

Another plan i had is as follows: Fred is boosted up the tower with a little help from his friends and once he reaches a high level without risk (opponents loosing on purpose), he starts using the Martingale System http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system) with an initial bet on a low level (such as level 5, winning 18 cents every win, regardless of the number of loses), Fred can then slowly move up the tower and make money.

Drawbacks to this plan are:

-Slow! getting boosted up the tower is no problem but winning much money after that takes a lot of work and time.

-Payout! If Totseans are going to waste their time boosting Fred up the tower, they are going to want some type of payoff and Fred by himself using the Martingale System just cant make much money once it is divided among those who helped.

-Work! With this system, Fred will be doing most of the work once he is boosted and will probably want a bigger cut of the final profit which will no doubt lead to conflict.

-Risk! Though small, there is a chance that the Martingale System can fail. If Fred looses too many times in a row, he will suffer a large hit to his account balance.

-Trust! It is too easy for Fred to claim he lost all the money when he in fact did not. Right now, Moola has no way for its users to know other players account balances and finding someone trustworthy to act as Fred is key.

Sorry if this post is too long. Just something similar I thought about though I also looked at the drawbacks to each.

.-FSB-.

I'm willing to work with someone

crud3w4re [at] yahoo.com You can trust me. We can work on a system

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

But do they track ip's? Maybe, we can keep restarting one account, until it receives the $1 bonus. Use it to boost up your other account hm

When you restart, Moola only lets you spin the bonus wheel SOMETIMES, not all the time. So the chance of you getting to spin the wheel, let alone landing on a big boost are slim to none.

.-FSB-.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

I'm willing to work with someone

crud3w4re [at] yahoo.com You can trust me. We can work on a system

I too will work with you guys to do this but we need a better plan then the OP's. Like he said, it is just a rough draft. No offense to the OP.

.-FSB-.

I think it's possible, but we need to all work together. If someone falls out of line, we lose him. Simple. We need to filter players, as well as develop a system for making money. The goal ought not be jackpot, it should be to make all participants money. I don't think Moola ever expects anyone to win that Jackpot, will probably label it fraud.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

I think it's possible, but we need to all work together. If someone falls out of line, we lose him. Simple. We need to filter players, as well as develop a system for making money. The goal ought not be jackpot, it should be to make all participants money. I don't think Moola ever expects anyone to win that Jackpot, will probably label it fraud.

They don't care if somebody wins the jackpot because once you have your penny, your just taking money from other players. Let's assume you make 3 cents for Moola every time you watch an ad and answer a question. Moola only has to give you a penny when you loose ALL your money. This occers far less often then somebody watching an as and answering a question (every game 2 people do it). So Moola makes a TON of money. Assuming they do not spend the money that SHOULD be going to its users to bet with, they will always be able to pay you.

.-FSB-.

Interesting. It would be nice to really infiltrate Moola. Perhaps setup "Cells", each cell does its own thing, and they split the money. But maybe in cordination with other cells.

quote:Originally posted by crud3w4re:

Interesting. It would be nice to really infiltrate Moola. Perhaps setup "Cells", each cell does its own thing, and they split the money. But maybe in cordination with other cells.

That is the gayest idea i have ever heard -_-

That's how Al Qaeda works Let's use their structure.

Leadership that controls the cells, receives/distributes the $$$, and the cells each report on the level of each member. So we utilize this information to generate money.

"Fixing" games to maximize profits.

[This message has been edited by crud3w4re (edited 01-04-2007).]

I'd do it

Theres a new private match code

we could use that.

What's that? It would be cool to be apart of a pro group that does this, and also other things. Like with affiliate links, we each signup under eachother, work together to make money. Pipe dream? Maybe

Maybe even have a rank depending on how your score is in say..tetris lol

Even with the private option and assuming all members cooperate, there is still vital problem with you straetegy. The money in your plan comes entirely from within the system. So to make even just $100 you need 100,000 people in the system, which is not worth it at all considering the difficulty of coordination. This processed can be sped up if at the same time the people who "lose" get the free penny to create more winners. However that is just more work, and it's not worth it for merely $100.

Noooo each cell competes against eachother.

65536 members * 0.01

32768 * 0.02 | 32768 * 0.01

16384*0.04| 16384* 0.01 + 32768* 0.01

16384*0.04| 24576* 0.02 + 24576 * 0.01

as you can see, this method is highly unpractical. What I meant was the money comes from within the system which contains all the members.

So it would be like

S E {65536 members}

and all the money comes from withing the set S. So S has to be very large to be able for you to make any significant amount of money. It's possible to do this only when you play against everybody else, which is the universal set. The universal set is very large and therefore you can win some money, but I doubt anyones going to continue playing after they reach like $100, they prolly just take the money instead of the risk.

I think that it might work. If we get enough players involved, we can infiltrate.

**Idea**

Ladder approach? A "booster" on each level, so that the guy we choose to win gets the prize. And then the next person's turn, and so forth.

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For everyone else that is going to post trying to explain why this wont work, just quote this and save time. This will not work. Many people have told them it will not work, so let them waste their time on it, until they realize it wont work.

I still like to come up with ideas.