Nobody becomes a wigger, THEN decides to listen to hip hop.

Argon, you have a point.

But I think the lifestyle leads to the music, and the music just intensifies it.

Heaven's just a rumor she'll dispel.

as she walks me through the nicest parts of hell.

i still dream of lips i never should have never kissed.

well she knows exactly what i can't resist

System of a down makes my friend crazy, if he listens to like one song he starts to get hyper and violent all day.

Good political music will not give 13 year olds a few catchy facts to bandy around in their pathetic debates.

It may inspire people to actually reasearch issues properly for themselves. Do such bands exist? Arguable. If asked to give an example of this I would give 'Koyoto Now' by Bad Religion which, despite the title does not really talk about the environment but is instead mostly rhetoric, and only the stupidist people would start supporting the Koyoto treaty because of rhetoric so I guess the idea that people think 'I wonder what he is so worked up about...do I agree or not?' and do some research.

It may motivate people who already believe in a certain political goal or doctrine. This can be dangerous as people may start to find their politics led by the music.

But for me, it makes very simple points which are more to do with society and do not require further debate. For example: 'You think you're a rebel cos your smoking weed, there are kids in the world who are ten years old and all the wanna do when they grow up is explode.'

Of course the fundamental flaw of ALL 'political music' is that people will fight for what they believe in, they don't have time or the necessary framework in the space of a song to fully explore the arguments so they will present their side of the debate.

BTW I am well aware this isn't a comprehensive / entirely logical post but I thought I would try and give some food for thought.

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I'm listening to Risington by Massive Attack, I feel like creeping up behind someone with a knife :/

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

Nobody becomes a wigger, THEN decides to listen to hip hop.

Untrue!

Drug Addicts.

don't look to that kind of music for answers to any questions, its all the same theme anyway...death and satan and all that crap.

system of a down is cool though. and the song called boom actually has some pretty neat lyrics in it other than the word "boom", to whoever made that assumption

I listen to varities of music..I guess thats why I like so many different things.

Personally I feel that its not the music that matters, its the way it makes you feel,

so it can be beneficial or harmful, depending on how it makes you feel...

of course every has their own opinion (hard rock!!!!)

I see the whole kids getting stupid opinions from music thing, makes sense. Not disagreeing with that. What I do want to bring up is how the best way to tell if someone is a moron or a psuedo-intellectual is if they are a heavy reader. People who read a lot know a lot but understand less than the common man because they think they know everything. Obvious exceptions, of course. That's off topic though.

Some kids just listen to music they THINK they should like, rather than what they actually like. Not necessarily what is popular either.

Music doesn't really influence my life other than going to a show because I like the band. I have no band shirts at all.

i think people take shit way to far and over analyze things when it comes to music & youth. as far as i'm concerned, it's just music, nothing more. it's only more than that if you want it to be and make it that. i don't listen to music that nessessarily relates to life at all (though a lot of it coinicdentally may do so) or let it influence my lifestyle. i just listen to whatever i think sounds good. i think people really need to chill about this shit and look at it from a simpler standpoint.

ok, first of all, system of a down kick much butt. secondly, this type of music can make you more open-minded, because it exposes you to different opinions in a way that you find entertaining and easy to absorb. this wont make you "smarter" as such, unless you reserch the facts behind these political ideals, then form your own opinions, and act on them accordingly.

Rage Against the Machines lyrics are about politics aswell yeah?

Sometimes lyrics can say powerful things. Boom by SOAD happens to make some good points. However, more so in BYOB for example, they say a lot of shit but don't let out the underlying philosophy.

So no, it's not smart but at times if they say things that make sense you should consider it.

For example, I had a really emo friend on the internet who was a year older than me, and when I finally started asking him about why he dressed the way he did and acted totally bullshit, he'd always say "Stop talking to me about it, you CAN'T change someone's mind over something by talking to them on the internet." And yet, I was making perfectly good points and he couldn't argue them. So how is it that anything I could say would have any more power than if I was talking to him in real life?

Basically I'm trying to say the medium doesn't matter, but the message itself. So music is perfectly capable of saying some powerful things.

you listen to shitty music.

most teens are too stupid to understand the meaning behind the message.

most adults are too stupid to realize they don't know it either.

so.. music makes no one less ignorant. just louder.

Music, ideally, leads to higher thought. Depending on what you listen to you will always be moved or inspired by the music you listen to. I find that the music that's inheriting the world lately is not inspiring higher thought or political activism or any of the other things people claim, instead it's breeding sheep who follow the message of the people who create the music. To be an individualist you have to be...an individual...don't just listen to music, toss a hand into the air and claim you've always "fought the power" wake up, open a newspaper, watch the news, get involved.

-Val

^^ The newspaper and the news are almost as bad as music...

And political activism is stupid.

quote:Originally posted by kenshin_kid:



-HIM (got concert tickets ^^)



What age are you? 12, grow up. This is not the kind of music that would come close to giving you worth while opinions worth arguing.

I listen to bands lie Children of Bodom, Dimmu Borgir, Disturbed and Iron Maiden. Simply because I like them.

If it just so happens to be that some of their lyrics are loaded with their political views, fine with me, though they dont make me think any different.

Though I can tell that the type of music someone listens too says a lot about that person, for example, someone that is more open to louder and harder styles of any music (metal for example) is usually also much more open to knowledge in general. When I compare my pop-listening and metalhead friends I can see that the metalheads have much less trouble understanding complex things and well.. are smarter in general.

My musical taste ranges from classical, to metal, to hard rock and even some blues.

Not because of the band's political views, but simply because I think they make good music.



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well rap makes u stupid, ur brainwashed into thinkin ur a black gangster and that white ppl hate you

rock n stuff makes u smarter cuz it duznt talk about crap lik bangin 10 black gurls that prolly hav aids, i mean in rock, at least ther talkin to sumpthin thats intellectual

quote:Originally posted by metalcore_punk:

rock n stuff makes u smarter cuz it duznt talk about crap lik bangin 10 black gurls that prolly hav aids, i mean in rock, at least ther talkin to sumpthin thats intellectual

Yeah, it makes you a "whiny emo faggot" who "won't stop crying.

The earlier statement is based on what other TOTSEans have said.

i don't know about you guys but i really like music that doesn't have sort of lyrics in it, like Post Rock, or just instrumental guitar..

oh and by the way, Music is a tool for inspiration, you either choose to listen or you dont, it won't make you dumber, nor smarter, thats up to you and what you decide to do with it.



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quote:Originally posted by Maxstate:

Though I can tell that the type of music someone listens too says a lot about that person, for example, someone that is more open to louder and harder styles of any music (metal for example) is usually also much more open to knowledge in general. When I compare my pop-listening and metalhead friends I can see that the metalheads have much less trouble understanding complex things and well.. are smarter in general.



The intelligence probably came before the music did, and this was probably mostly perceived intelligence due to the fact you associate rock with political messages and in turn politics with intelligence.

I mostly listen to rock/metal, but also to jazz and reggae. I don’t listen to the message in rock/metal lyrics because I cant understand what they are saying, so if they choose to shout/scream/sing like this in the first place then they probably don’t have any political message.

I think the tone/mood/pace and instruments used in the music effect you much more than lyrics you probably misheard, at least in the metal genre anyway.