My friend (swim) is working on this and thought you might have some good advice or pointers for her...

Swim has read several posts on this site where people havne't researched and wanted advice and everyone always says to read up on it. Swim has read and read and read and is now in the trial and error process. Swim is still reading up and studying but welcomes any advice. Thanks guys (and gals).

Bad girl? Nope... just very naughty,

Reformed

P.S. How many attempts does it usually take someone to get this right (someone who hasn't had an in person tutor)??



ReformedBadGirl I took out the recipe you had listed so as to shorten the thread ere as it was an unnecessary and ineffective approach. To acheive success simply follow the method discourse given from me me and written by Wicked Rain.<---Jam.

[This message has been edited by Jamiroquai (edited 01-23-2004).]

hold on,

yourve just written pages of crap few will read..

your asking how long it will take to learn how to clean eph,,

cause thats got to be one of the longest bloody methods ive every seen.

how do you plan to reduce it,,

ammonia/metal or red/iod??

ps;

one of the first laws i learnt 17 years ago when i started cleaning pills was;

every time you put the eph into solution,,or wash it with a solvent,,,then a loss of 3% to 5% must be factored in,,count how many times you have washed it, or put it into solution and then taken it out..

when your washing 25000 pills and trying to extract 1500 grams,the loss isnt as heavy or as noticeable as when your doing micro washes with only ten grams,,,mini washes are easy to use to much solvents as such your sucking your eph away



[This message has been edited by kirby (edited 01-23-2004).]

man what a long drawn out fucked up mess to say the least. i made as far as the vicks inhaler part then said fuck this lol. i dont know where you got this shit but it is fucked up man.

That looks some Worlocks recipes from his old page. Like some said above, there are much easier ways...Worlocks page may be a "little" out dated

If all you are asking about here is isolating pseudoephedrine from over the counter pills then let's keep this quick and painless.

Go to Wal-Mart and buy the "Equate-AntiHistabs" first-off. If no Wal-Mart is around then go where the nearest Walgreens/Osco/etc. is or grocery store/any pharmacy if-you-will. And buy only the pills that are the generic equivalent of Actifed-Brand allergy/sinus.

They'll have these two inactives-antihistamine and pseudoephedrine-60miligrams.--No other actives and do not deviate here and buy as well as these the 120's or the red hots-30's(mg's)

So as to ensure that the anticipated succesful isolation of pseudo is a slam-dunk.



Then simply follow the TCE/JP(1,1,1 tetrachloroethylene & Japan Dryer=TCE/JP) by Wicked Rain given below here and be sure to read his Afterword

SWIM`s adventures with TCE/Japan Drier

Wicked_Rain

swimshady Copyright:2003



*** Neither the author of this post, nor this website or its owners advocate the use, manufacture or sale of any controlled substance. All posts are for information and entertainment purposes only, and should not be considered meaningful. ***

first SWIM would like to welcome everyone to this place and for those that are simply returning than welcome back. lets get the party started.



i just wanted to post this extraction method (since it mysteriously disappeared from another unmentioned website) that SWIM learned here from Ware who is batman when it comes to the use of TCE in extracting psuedoephedrine. Ware feel free to edit this to suit you or to suit the forum. SWIM was asked about it at the other website and since someone deleted it i figured why post it again there. SWIM will post it where he found it originly. not trying to step on any toes just want it available to those who want educated and arent in a position to boil solvents peace man.



Chems Needed:

TCE= available at your local auto parts store. ingrediants are: Tetrachloroethylene 127-18-4 & carbon dioxide 124-38-9

the tetra is the chemical the carbon dioxide is the propellent. if you are looking at the right can (red & black) then these will be the ingrediants. NO SUBSTITUTIONS

Japan Dryer is used when varnishing or shellacing in humid weather. it is added to the varnish or shellac to speed up the drying process. available at hardware stores in the paint section. NO SUBSTITUTIONS



the mix desired is 10 to 1

example: 100 ml TCE 10 ml JD

you want to cover the powdered pill mass with 10 times the amount of fluid which we will call purple beet juice.

example: 1/2 inch of powdered pill mass in quart jar would need 5 inchs of purple beet juice. in this example it would be about 500 ml of purple beet juice needed.

so spray into a clean empty jar 500 ml of the TCE then pour in 50 ml of JD shake well and then pour it on the pill mass in the other jar. let it soak for 3 minutes NO MORE THAN 3 MINUTES. got it? good.

here is the step by step SWIM did in his first test run complete with list of active ingrediants and inactives.

ACTIVE INGREDIANTS

Ephedrine HCL .60 mg

tripolidine 2.5 mg

INACTIVE INGREDIANTS

methylcellulose

lactose

magnesium stearate

polyethylene glycol

silica gel

starch

stearic acid

titanium dioxide

1...ground up pills with mortar and pestle to a fine powder. weight of pill mass was 21.4 grams

2...passed thru a fine sieve used in canning jellies (its all plastic and works great)

3...measured out 100 ml TCE and 10 ml japan drier. mixed together and poured onto pill powder in 1 quart jar. stirred well and let set three minutes.

4...poured entire jar contents thru a funnel with a single filter and no plug. pill mass was an ugly sorta pale blue/grey. sprayed sides of filter down with TCE from the spray can with tube attached. when all pill mass was in bottom of filter it was removed twisted and rung out.

5...opened filter and spread pill mass out on glass plate. as it dried the small clumps were chopped smaller with razor blade. it was left to set untill it was totally bone dry.

6...the dried pill mass was passed thru the fine sieve again. weight of pill mass now 21.2 (a side note of caution here, to avoid the wrath of the wife buy your own fine sieve strainer from canning section of store. dont use hers as it will smell of japan drier untill the end of the time)

7...placed pill mass in clean quart jar. poured in 250 ml of denatured alcohol. stirred let set an hour. decanted, evapped,

repeated two more times.

8...took scrapings from 3 evaps (they were ugly blue/grey (but SWIM had faith in ware and was not worried) poured 100 ml of acetone on the crystals and stirred and stirred and voila white crystals crashing out of tone and the tone was now the ugly blue/grey color. decanted tone spread crystals out on plate to finish drying and they were beautiful snow white crystals SWIM had to put on his sunglasses they were so white lol.

out of a possible 8.6 SWIM`s insane friend got 7.4

the last time (about the 10th time) SWIM did this method was his best yield. out of 18 boxes of 24 ct white 60`s 25.9 grams was the maximum possible. SWIM got back 25.4. SWIM never got less than 90% with this method on the white 60`s. click on the image link at bottom of pageto see what they looked like. pinwheels you can read a newspaper through, as it should be:

alwaystired posted that it worked great on the name brand 30 mg red hots to. de-redded first of course.

here are some results SWIM recieved from Greenhorn on some 120`s using the above method:

swim thought that wicked and all of you might like to know swim had positive results from 120s.

swim took one varience to the directions,swim chose to filter the DA pulls before evaping them the list of actives and inactives are as follows:

ACTIVE:

Pseudophedrine hydrochloride 120 mgs

INACTIVE:

carnuba wax

colloidal silicon dioxide

dbasic calcium phosphate

hypromellose

magnesium stearate

microcrystalline cellulose

polyethyleneglycol

polysorbate 80

titanium dioxide

pill id-L054

swim gets these 20 a box for about 3 bucks so he thought he would give it a try. out of a possible 4.8 gr. he got back 3.1......not bad for a newb he thought.

and there you have it folks. hope this helps.

Wicked_Rain

swimshady Copyright:2003

Afterword by Wicked Rain:

a few things ill add here, when you 1st cruch your pills run them thru a fine sieve strainer before you put the TCE/JD on the pill mass. after it sets the 3 min and you pour it in the filter, the filter has drained and been wrung out and the pill mass has been put on a glass plate to dry. let it dry totally then run it thru the fine sieve again. do your alky pulls, evaps, and then run the dried scrapings thru the fine sieve again. tone wash em as per the write up and let em dry totally and run them thru fine sieve again. they are now ready for the flask. the reason for the fine sieve between each step is so that the solvents make FULL contact with the ENTITRE surface area of the pfed. any clumps and chunks will retain undesirables. SWIM also runs his RP thru the fine sievebefore it go`s in the flask. SWIM also makes sure his I2 is crushed to tiny flakes with a glass stir rod before the flask. so its like this, pfed run thru fine sieve before flask. RP bone dry and fine sieved. I2 crushed to flakes with glass rod. ALL 3 reagents BONE DRY as to be able to make a PRECISE measurement of DH20. doin this will insure that the entire surface area of each reagent is exposed to the other. prolly more info than you wanted or needed but SWIM has found that it produces results that are an improvement over not doing it and thats the goal, improvement.

Jam, SWIM would just like to take this oppurtunity to say you do a damn fine job as moderater of this forum. always on top of things and always helpfull and informative. what knowledge you dont have you seek out. your knowledge of where to find knowledge is impressive. thanks again for a job well done bud.

Thanks Bro.

I appreciate that!!



Jam.

enough crawling from you wicked,,

and jam,

get back to work...

Thanks guys! Sorry for the long post... I was sort of trying to avoid the flaming by showing that swim tried. Thanks for the kind, non flaming approach to swim's post (didn't want to make anyone mad)and for the good advice.

Of the many recipes you have listed for this (crystal) his one best for my friend who is just looking to make it to feed her love for it and not for selling (i.e. mass production)?

Thanks again!

Very bad girl

make a ton, make a gram. its all good lol

i was just sitting here trying to picture making a ton,,imagine doing it from pills in one go...

thats 16 million 800,000 pills,

26,000litres of toluene

30,000 litres of acetone

200 kilos of sodium hydroxide

400 litres of sulphuric acid

400 litres of hydrochloric acid

380 kilos of sodium metal

10,000 litres of anhydrous ammonia

what a nightmare trying to get all this and more in one spot at the same time

youd need one of those 4 foot diameter by 4 foot deep pyrex bread mixers they use in large bread making factories to clean and mix them,,,ooohh this gives me a headache