I'm posting this because it actually is a Quick! Fast! Meth! Synthesis!!

hehe.....

This is a dream from which Acidmelt had many moons ago.



Copyright:2000?!

Acidmelts Slacker Reaction

by Acidmelt

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NOTICE: TO ALL CONCERNED Certain text files and messages contained on this site deal with activities and devices which would be in violation of various Federal, State, and local laws if actually carried out or constructed. The webmasters of this site do not advocate the breaking of any law. Our text files and message bases are for informational purposes only. We recommend that you contact your local law enforcement officials before undertaking any project based upon any information obtained from this or any other web site. We do not guarantee that any of the information contained on this system is correct, workable, or factual. We are not responsible for, nor do we assume any liability for, damages resulting from the use of any information on this site.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Acidmelts Slacker Reaction

This reaction is brought about the same as every other push/pull rxn in the book. You have to know how to extract psuedoephedrine(E) and clean it, you have to know how to extract the red phosphorus(RP) off matchbooks (or where ever you get it from), and how to properly clean the red phosphorus. you must also know how to clean up your iodine(I2) to a proper grade.

I am not going to go into how to do these procedures as they are covered in seperate pages on Chemhead. with this easy to follow synth, i will start at mixing the reactants and where to go from there. keep in mind that this is only a dream and a very simple dream at that. i have never tried this and i have never met someone that has tried it. its just well organized thoughts in a well organized matter. i don't condone this activity or any illegal activity for that matter. don't try this at home. (try it at a neighbors house when they are gone for the weekend)

What you will need:

1.Flask with nipple connection

2.Stopper (that fits the flask)

3.Electric Burner

4.Candy Thermometer

5.1and 1/2ft. of plastic tubing to fit on the nipple of your flask

6.Separatory Funnel

7.Chemical Resistant latex gloves

8.Visionware Glass Bowl or pot.

9.Regular cooking pot

10.Distilled H2O

11.RedDevil Lye

12.Hydrocloric acid (Muriatic Acid)

13.Duct Tape

14.Litmus Paper

15.Non-Polar Solvent (Colemans Fuel, Toluene...)

ok here is how it goes... use the 1 part E, to 1.2 parts I2, to .8parts RP ratio for reactions under 1oz. So for example you would use 10g of E, 12g of I2, and 8g of RP. First take the RP and the E and mix well in a plastic baggie. Take this and pour it into your flask, covering the bottom of it.



Next pour in your I2 and close with a solid rubber stopper. Duct tape this on so it dont pop off during the reaction. you should all ready have your foot and a half of plastic tubing secured onto the nipple of the flask, and a pair of your chemical resistant gloves on. After you get the 3 goodies mixed in the bottom of the flask you will want to hold the end of the tubing closed with your thumb.(gloves on!)(safety glasses too)

Sit back and watch it start to react. Sometimes it will react right away and sometimes not. Just watch and see. It will start turning to a muddy texture, and then to a liquid. Every onece and a while release pressure in the flask by moving your thumb. now it will not always turn liquid before the cook. not totally liquid anyway. Just sit back releasing pressure when it gets great and wait for the reaction to really slow down.

All right, everything going good so far? Not too hard heh? Now you will want to cook the reaction to get it going again. Before you start all of this put your regular cooking pot on your electric burner and find out where the dial is at 150F. So turn on your burner and set it at 150F. Put your cooking pot with a little water or vegetable oil in the bottom on the burner, and put your flask in that. after a few minutes this bitch will really get cookin. It will start bubbling and the mixture will expand. All in all it is going to start to get a little crazy. Every few minutes pick up the flask and shake and stir it up a little. And usually release a little pressure every shake or every other shake. You will be able to feel the pressure building up on your thumb. When it gets bad release a little.

Just keep this going for while. You will want to slowly turn up the heat to about 180F over a 20 minute period. The push part of the reaction will keep going for about 20 minutes to 45 minutes. It usually lasted for about half an hour in my dreams. You will know when to stop cooking when the push stops. (when no more gas is being pushed out of the flask.



When this has occured be sure to keep your thunb over the tubing and take the flask out of the pot and just set it on the counter. From this point on, you are going to keep your thumb tightly over the tubing until the flask has cooled down. During the cooling you want to pick up the flask with your other hand and stir and shake the ingredients in the flask every few minutes.



It will probaly take about 20 minutes (if that) for the flask to cool down. You want it to be cool enough to hold in your hand with out burning yourself. You will feel the pull start as your vessel cools down. it will be trying to suck air back into the flask now. You are aloud a very little bit of air into the flask but not much at all. Remember to keep stirring and shaking the flask during the cooling.

When the flask has cooled down to a suitable state, (keeping your thumb over the tubing still) stick your thumb and the end of the tubing into a bowl of distilled H20 and release. The vacuum in the flask will pull water into the flask. Dont let to much into the flask just a little. now pull the tubing out of the water and let it suck air into the tubing. Thats it. thats the reaction. not to hard hey? Now lets clean up that chilli. All ready smelling success? wait and see.

Shake up the chilli/H20 in the flask, take off the duct tape and the stopper, and pour directly into the clean visionware bowl. now pour a little more distilled water into empty flask (just a little) and shake up real good. this is just to get out the rest of what ever is left in the flask. put the bowl on the burner and turn on high. bring to a boil while stirring with a clean plastic spoon. This will get the some chilli that is stuck on the RP off of it. turn of burner and let sit for a minute or two. be sure to save all your RP so you can wash it and reuse it later.

While this is cooling off a little, grab your funnel and put in 3 coffee filters and stuff a cotton ball in the tip of the funnel. put this over a clean glass jar. now pour everything that is in the visionware bowl into the funnel. it will take a while to filter because of the RP. once all the meth water is filtered through, into the glass jar, pour it back through the same filters (with the RP in it) again. you will want to do this at least 4 times. just keep pouring it through the same filter/cottonballs. now it should have a yellowish collor, but not foggy at all. it should be very clear.



Pour this into your separatory funnel, and add just a little ice. now pour in a little colemans fuel (or toluene). add a little less than the amount of water/meth you have in there. now slowly add a little lye to the sep. funnel, and shake well. drop a small drip onto your litmus paper to test the Ph. (you will be testing the water/meth layer, NOT the colemans fuel layer) you want the Ph to be 12. (yellow) if it is not a Ph of 12 then add a little more lye and shake the hell out of it and test again. keep doing this till it test out at 12. After it test at 12 drop in a tablespoon of table salt, and shake well. Now we are going to seperate the layers in the funnel. We want to keep the NP Solvent (Colemans), not the water/lye layer.



Put the water layer in a jar and set aside. you can test for meth later. Keep the colemans fuel/meth in the seperatory funnel. microwave a big glass of new distilled H2O till it is hot. pour in one third the amount of water (compared to the colemans) and shake well. drain the water out. repeat this 4 times. you are washing the NP Solvent. now once again, add one third the amount of water to the sep. funnel and drop in a few drops of Hcl. (Muriatic Acid) Shake for a few minutes. then test the ph of the ph of the water layer. you want it to test at 7.2 or at least close to that. if it doesnt, add a few more drops of Hcl and shake the hell out of it again and test again. after it is the proper ph, drain the water layer into your visionware bowl and put it on the burner and boil down. you can finish with a hairdryer if you want. now go back to your colemans fuel in the seperatory funnel and add a little more distilled water. we are going to do a second pull on the non-polar solvent. add a few more drops of Hcl and shake it up again. test the ph again. looking for 7.2 again. once you reach 7.2 again drain your meth/water into your clean visionware bowl (you should have all ready scraped out the crystals from the last pull that you all ready evaporated. now evaporate again. remember that if your not in a hurry, evaporating it with a hair dryer will increase yeilds. Some chefs even do a third pull.

Thats it. you now have clean and pure crystal meth. Have Fun, and be safe.



This is a Hell of a lot better than the fucking Curbshot kids!!!<---Jam.

An oldie, but a goodie!!!!

Oh Man, its been so long since i have seen that. actually i am working on a new total write-up. pictures and all. it will take me a few more weeks to get it done but i will post a link here. it will be nice.

also you had a ? by the copyright date..... and i believe it was written in early 2000 actually. good guess.

Acidmelt:

Those ratios rock! SWIK uses the same ratios for nano scale long wet refluxes(12 hr on nanos). Oh yeah, 1mL of dH2O is added of course. Always wanted to try your slacker reaction, never had the time tho.

--knedragger

<A HREF="http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb163.gif">http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb163.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb163.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

Wow,I acctully understood that. Um,a few questions though if you dont mind answering them.

1. What's a visionware bowl? Is it just a normal ceramic bowl or what?

2. What's the seperatory funnel you are refering to? Is it a flask or a normal funnel? Please explain.

3. When you say 'drain' the water/meth layer do you mean siphen it out of the bowl and into another container or what?

SWIM has successfully made CAT before and this synth method looks really easy and SWIM might try it sometime.

Sorry for the really stupid questions but SWIM wasn't sure exactly what you meant.

I must tell SWIM about this,he will want too hear it



[This message has been edited by KingPhillie (edited 02-11-2004).]

1)It is a specific type of glass cookingware which has a trademarked Brownish hue. It's impervious to stress and able to handle direct burner contact on the stovetops.

2)Go here and click on the photo tounderstand what is being discussed here. http://www.sciplus.com/category.cfm?subsection=4

3)With a seperatory funnel this step which you rendered correctly is a breeze with a bottom valve and good ole-gravity to push out the seperate layers as oil and water more or less is whats being seperated hence seperatory funnel. And yes naturally the discharged solutions need a seperate container.

This synth is a classic and never been reported to not of produced D.



for a novice this som'bitch is a good'n to introduce yourself to the fundamentals of reducing pseudo to meth.

Make sure your red phosphorus and iodine are refined properly.

If you do this fucker will do you right.

Never half-ass your productions.

Never deviate from the beaten path.

If you do ain't nothing we can do man.

Cooking dope is easy.

Preparing for a proper cook ain't when crude precursors are all you've got to work with.



And learn to not smoke cigs and weed in the areas your gonna cook in.



Incense is a no-no too.







Jam.

Does this work, without modification, with a push/pull setup?

If not, how would it need to be changed?

Also, How does (someone else) know if dH20 needs to be added (to the flask) before the reaction?

[This message has been edited by lifejunkie (edited 03-16-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by lifejunkie:

1)Does this work, without modification, with a push/pull setup?

2)If not, how would it need to be changed?

3)Also, How does (someone else) know if dH20 needs to be added (to the flask) before the reaction?



1)Yes. But a push/pull set-up isn't really necessary here since a push/pull set-up is really for batches in the two-plus ounce range.

2)I would use a filter flask with a piece of vinyl tubing attatched to the nipple with it running down to a pan/pot/container of water. The vessel with the water must be below the Rxn vessel. So for instance the Rxn vessel is on the tabletop and the vessel with water down below on a chair(&lt;---just to give an analogy not saying to actually use a tabletop etc.)

3)Good question actually. If you are going to do The Slacker® use the follow amount of distilled water per gram-.4ml:1gram[dH2O/pseudo]. So for ten grams use 4ml of dH2O. Five grams use 2ml and so on. Don't use any more than this no matter how dry it may seem to look upon adding the water to the pseudo/Red & Black. You are doing a dry reduction and this entitles you to an expediant reduce time.

Jam.

1. AM's method IS a push-pull, I believe.

2. To start with, the precursors should be bone-dry, and then 1ml of DH2O added per gram of psuedo(more or less, depending on length of rxn).

quote:Originally posted by Jamiroquai:



I would use a filter flask with a piece of vinyl tubing attatched to the nipple with it running down to a pan/pot/container of water. The vessel with the water must be below the Rxn vessel. So for instance the Rxn vessel is on the tabletop and the vessel with water down below on a chair(&lt;---just to give an analogy not saying to actually use a tabletop etc.)



So (someone) has a tube attached to the nipple on the stoppered flask.

This tube runs directly into a pool of dH20.

During the push, the gas bubbles into the pool.

During the pull, the dH20 gets sucked directly into the rxn vessel?

Is this what you are thinking?

(Someone) just wants to be perfectly clear here.

Is the heating time flexible?

Can (someone) use a lower heat for a longer time without effecting ratios?

(Someone) would assume less dh20 is needed for a longer burn, is this right?

(Someone) has been reading about the primary topic of this area for some time, and that someone would like to be very well informed before wasting resources.

Does the .4ml dH20 / gram of P come from the stoichiometry of the reaction, or is it a empirically discovered value.



[This message has been edited by lifejunkie (edited 03-16-2004).]

well your off on a few things there. i wouldnt suggest using water as a pressure source unless you have some rxns under your belt. replace that jar of water with a balloon taped securely onto the tubing. because you do NOT want water sucked into the vessel during the pull. and if you want to do a long cook, more water should be added not less.

When swim adds the lye is it just the lye or a lye water solution.

What about with a check valve to make sure the water can't get back into the vessel.

quote:Originally posted by smack:

When swim adds the lye is it just the lye or a lye water solution.

solution

So the tube from rxn vessle should go into a bowl of dh20 or just put a balloon on it and just watch?..(inflate/deflate) After the reaction it says it will start pulling. Does swim add dh20 when its pulling? according to the slacker synthesis it says let suck dh20 into rxn vessle, but isnt the balloon the balloon it the way..or....

Does the rxn vessle have 2 tubes coming from it one with ur thumb on it then one with the balloon on it, then when the pull begins dip into dh20

Sweet fucking christ swims confused!

(so many different NEW ideas for the "slacker)

WTO

I believe you add a little dH20 after the reaction, after the flask is cool.

Only one port on the vessel, for the balloon or hose.

I think you relive pressure during the reaction, and wait for the flask to cool down.

After this there is a vacuum in the flask, which you use to pull a small amount of dH20 back into the flask.

I, however, know nothing.

I’m just posting this to trick other’s into showing me where I’m wrong.

This is from wicked's:

quote:

siphon the tone off into waste can.

after that take the RP and put it in a jar and pour in muriatic acid to a couple

inches above the RP.

bring it to a boil (outside of course) for 5 min or so and then rinse it with

DH2O untill you've ran at least a quart thru it.



What exacty does this mean by "rinse"?

Do I dump the HCL / RP into a few coffie filters and follow with dh20 until it's clean?

It that what they are talking about?

I know there is a thread for this, but I would like keep all of this noobish crap in a single, easy to ignore, place.

quote:Originally posted by lifejunkie:

This is from wicked's:

What exacty does this mean by "rinse"?

Do I dump the HCL / RP into a few coffie filters and follow with dh20 until it's clean?

It that what they are talking about?

I know there is a thread for this, but I would like keep all of this noobish crap in a single, easy to ignore, place.



yes, rinse with dh2o until you no longer smell hcl and it will smell like rp

either let your rp dry fully in the filter or take it out to dry but either way save your filters and when there dry tap the rest or your rp out. and when your done with that still save your filters and or cotton balls for later use (to get the rest of the little bit of rp left). dont ever scrape your filters





[This message has been edited by sitbcknchill (edited 03-17-2004).]

Question for Acidmelt or Jam - this write-up is great - thourough, to the point, and doesn't leave much to speculation. I do have one query, though - How much water do you suck into the flask after the vessel cools? I'm assuming it would be proportional to the amount of water swim adds to a nano when he's done (brings solution to roughly 3X it's original volume). Am I correct in assuming this?

Acidmelt, I can't wait to see the revised, illustrated version of this synth. Should be a good read.

Swim has been fucking around with some different chemistry experiments lately,namely DMT extraction, with a lot of success. You can pull some clean, white fluffy freebase crystals out of Mimosa root bark. And the best part is, the tek is a fucking breeze to follow if you've got any experience in what is normally discussed here. The shit is like a goddam rocketship for your brain, to. Some say it is the most powerful hallucinogenic known to man. There is a great tek writeup by a dude named elfspice, if anyone is interested. Just search for it, you'll find it. DMT world has a lot of good links and info too. This would be a good experiment for a newb to do to get his feet wet before going for the meth reduction. It employs a lot of similar procedures, such as an A/B, although the A/B is done a little differently then it is usually done here, because the DMT isn't converted to HCL, your final product is freebase.

Sorry for digressing like a fucking bastard! I'm just to lazy to start a new thread.

ok here it is.... forget the jar of water and using your thumb if your a newbie, just put a balloon on the tubing and seal. during the push it will expand, during the pull it will suck the gasses back out of the balloon. when the vessel is cool the pull will be done. then just unseal the flask and add some dh20. pour this solution through some filters/funnel. the filter will catch the RP. now "rinse" this RP by pouring the same water/meth solution that you filtered once before through it again (a few times actually, till its clear/yellowish, no cloudiness) now rinse the RP one more time with fresh hot dh20 to get any remaining oil off it. put the 2 water solutions together and continue with the A/B. and yes used cool lye/water solution. mix it up while the goods are filtering to give it time to cool cause it will be hot when you first mix the water and lye. hope this helped.

After nearly a year reading over synth's, this all makes sense.

I can now visualize the entire thing, from cleaning the three precursors to the reaction itself.

I can't believe this stuff is not everywhere.

quote:Originally posted by lifejunkie:

After nearly a year reading over synth's, this all makes sense.

I can now visualize the entire thing, from cleaning the three precursors to the reaction itself.

I can't believe this stuff is not everywhere.

I feel the same way. This is the first synth that I can FULLY comprehend. After reading a lot of synths I can compare and contrast, and know each compulsory step. I can get a good feel for what is being done during each step. Thanks acidmelt for an awesome synth, I cant wait till your done your next one. PROPS to acidmelt

BUMP!

quote:Originally posted by lifejunkie:

I can't believe this stuff is not everywhere.

Oh I think it is everywhere and always will be.

Jam check ur email.

Thank you much and i can garuntee you will LOVE my next one. it shall be done in the next few weeks. me and the DOORMAN have some stuff to take care of first and if all goes well.... after that my next one will be done.

Wow,I was just going to make cat but this meth synth seems so simple,I can picture it all in my head....I don't suppose anyone knows where one could aquire the RP and I2 in Australia? From what i've heard you can get I2 from iodine tincture somehow and the RP from matchbooks. One thing tho,in australia they dont sell matchbooks but matchboxes (i.e Redheads matches) which have a brown diamond pattern for the strike pads. Can I get RP from these as well?

Edit: Ok,I just read the I2 and RP procedures so I know how to do it know. Still need to know if redheads matchboxes will work or if there are other sources in Australia?

Thanks in advance.

Thanks in advance,it looks like SWIM could be making meth after all



[This message has been edited by Tweeking on some meth (edited 03-22-2004).]

bump

quote:Originally posted by the meth god:

Jam check ur email.

Okie doke.

bump'n

<A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik35.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik35.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik35.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

A bump for all the newbees! (such as myself)

bump

and another bump!

Bump!

bump

bump

BUMP!

Yay,if it wern't for this thread SWIMs dream never would have happened

Bump!

<A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik38.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik38.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik38.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

Ka Bump, ka Bump,

Ka Bump, Bump, Bump!

Howdy =D

this bump's for you!

bump

un-bumb

well shit, guess it needs a bump

BUMP!!

W00tz0r! Extra post counts for me!

swia should have his new stuff done in the next few days. nothing really new, just better. swia would like to include a couple posts in it from some people here, including, wicked and jam if you 2 dont mind, you will get full credit if you give swia the go ahead.

Fuck I don't mind Bro. Go right on ahead.



Jam.

BUMP

bump

looks like it's time for a (sniff)...bump!

quote:Originally posted by acidmelt:

when the vessel is cool the pull will be done. then just unseal the flask and add some dh20.

Acidmelt,

Exquisite thread - even a total noob like swif gets it, heh heh. Now not to be a stickler but just wondering if you could give a proportion/ratio for the above. I realize that it's probably not an exact ratio but whatever you feel is optimal is cool. Thanks and looking forward to the Revised Edition

add about 100ml of dh20 if your doing under an ounce. add like 70ml of that first, then pour it through the filter, then add the last 30ml to wash out whatevers left in the flask and pour that through the filter too

Thanks mucho - you da Man ;?D! Also if you wouldn't mind answering one more noob Q, just wondering what swif might expect to get as far as weight is concerned. Let's say he starts with 10g E, and supposing swif does this correctly of course even including a third pull, any thoughts on what a decent yield might be anticipated? This might help him to judge whether he did it right or no.

<A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/1076.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/1076.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/1076.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

bump...bump...bump

the all around average, keep in mind SWIM says AVERAGE, is 50%. 10 grams E in 5 grams goods out. your skill and patience level will greatly effect these numbers. anything over 50 % is considered average. over 60 % and your above average. over 70% and you are a master of the game. over 80% and you are a god. the highest return possible is 92% because of the differance in molar weights. this is on the molecular level and it is molecurly impossible to achieve greater than 92%. anyone that tells you different is a liar or they pulled back something that aint dope lol. even with a 50% return there is most likly other side products from the rxn or from dirty precursors in the goods. so even at the 50% level of return it is very possible that you could still have a hair less than 50% dope. SWIM dont know of any way to have it lab tested other than the DEA and thats not good lol. but they do do it for free. HAHA SWIM`s best return ever with the I2/RP reduction was 73% his average is around 67%. keep in mind that 50% of clean longlegged, knock your fuckin socks off product is far better than 75% of unclean trashy product. the 1st and foremost thing is quality not quanity. the novice should get the quality down to a tee then pursue how to improve quantity.

Thank you Wicked - 50% will be swif's goal for his first sucessful run and he'll be proud as punch if he hits that mark after about 3-4 tries. Now swif's not planning to fail, but from what he's read bad cooks are a possibility he is aware if that's the learning curve then so be it

Due for a bump

bump

bump

This bumps for you!

Bump

bump

50% will be your goal for your first attempt??? LOL you have to be kidding. your lucky if you get 50% after a half year. This shit takes time to learn and 95% of all cooks fail completely on there first 2 attempts. after that it slowly raises. if you get 50% of pure back on your first try (which is unheard of and you will be called a liar if you say you did) is just fuckin crazy talk. just be happy if you get anything back at all/

3.5 is defanatly posible for a first timers 10 g. And you might get a little more out if you go back to swims save jar.But bear in mind its not going to be perfect.better than joblos maybe but dont expect too much...on your first try...in fact swim wouldnt expect anything..but its nice if you do.Remember if it was easy to do or didnt reqiure a great deal of experience to get potency and clarity than it wouldnt be 25$ a quat.g.I think you will be lucky to get anything buzz worthy first try.(not bitchy just being realistic)

dont be discouraged dude.

swikb's first attempt at HI was some of the best shit hes had. Yeild sucked ass but buzz worthy indeed.

Swim failed on first 2 attempts. But, swim's 3rd try yielded 5.5g of possible 10. Swim's consistantly got back around 40 to 50% yields since.

Sorry Jam but I couldn't resist, Quick + Fast = under reduced pseudoephedrine.

Consider what’s necessary in order to convert pseudo to meth, E/RP/I2 and H2O. Now how do these elements react in order to accomplish that? RP, I2 and H2O combine and form HI (hydrochloric acid), then Hi combines with the pseudo to form Iodoephedrine, then HI again combines with the Iodoephedrine AND H2O to form meth. It looks something like this;

(1) HI + ephedrine =&gt; Iodoephedrine + H2O

(2) Iodoephedrine + HI =&gt; meth + I2

Everyone who has been doing a "dry reaction" has ended up with 25-50% Iodoephedrine, as there are not enough protons ("hydrogen’s") in such a reaction to sustain the conversion of the entire feedstock all the way to Methamphetamine.

If you don’t have enough water then your conversion never makes it past the first stage and you end up with Iodoephedrine. If your conversion is ended before it has enough time to convert all modules then you end up with Iodoephedrine and Methamphetamine.

The problem with is a dry reaction tends to be under reduced, leaving more Iodoephedrine in the final product, giving it a more impure quality. Wet reductions tend to have very long rxn times, so almost all if not all Iodoephedrine gets converted, thus the product thus has a much cleaner feel. For some users, a certain contaminant like Iodoephedrine needs to be included for the drug to produce exactly the effects desired by him because that's probably the mixture he learned to like.

Can you do a dry reaction, Yes! Can you do a reaction in 1, 2 or 3 hours, Yes! Will you have methamphetamine under these conditions, NO! Sure, you might end up with a little methamphetamine but the bulk of your product will be Iodoephedrine.

I love you Jam!

Iodoephedrine Darksky?! Come on now!! Muahhahahahaha!!!!

'nuff said!!

<A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing14.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing14.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing14.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>



Jam.

never been underreduced when swia did it. and he knows the difference. this is just the age old argument between boring long wet dope and fireworks hot dry dope. its personal opinion.

Come on Jam, we all know you’re a real “braineack”, surely your not disputing the existence of Iodoephedrine? Careful how you answer….

By the way the above comments that I posted to this thread are not my writings, they were actually written by a well known player by the name of Wizard…you do know who he is don’t you? Lmao...chemistry is chemistry my friend and all the “personal opinion refrencies" you might make regarding fast cooks can not change the simple laws of chemistry.

Acidmelt stated it right, it’s personal preference, but the laws of chemistry go unchanged and nothing we can do are say can rewrite those laws. 1+1=2…and it’s just that simple! DarkSky didn’t write those laws, he just quotes them.



Peace out and......Keep Cooking! (long and wet preferably...lol)

You completely missed Acidmetls' point Darksky. Under-reduced is the key word here!!

I get Desoxyn anyway man so don't forget that!!

Your long wet reduced does not compare to Desoxyn so keep trying all the same!!

lol!!

<A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing14.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing14.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing14.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>



Jam.

One other thing guys, DarkSky isn’t here to argue with you or try to make you guys look bad, he just believes that stating personal opinions are OK as long as you represent them for what they are…personal opinions. Lab Tips should ALSO be about scientific facts, whether you agree with them or not, and the members of this community have a right to know what the laws of chemistry say, even if they differ from your personal opinions. You want to cook fast and quick then knock yourself out, but give everyone else the scientific facts (not just what you prefer or believe) and let them decide for their self’s.

It’s ok if players make up their own minds and walk their own paths, they don’t have to follow in our footsteps. But they do have a right to all the facts, not just our opinion of those facts.

Peace Out and…..Keep Cooking!

Youre right Jam, my comments don't apply to Desoxyn

swia would rather have hot fast dope than long wet dope any day of the week. hot fast is known to have more euphoria, more fireworks. doesnt usually have the legs that long wet does, but the buzz makes it more worth it for swia to go for the hot fast. long wet is just too damn boring for swia.

That euphoria you speak of is Iodoephedrine, just like the post says. And you’re right, it has a lot of "feelings" associated with it but don't confuse that with meth cause its not. Some people need certain contaminates in their meth because that’s what they have become accustome to. Only problem is the stuff you’re so found of has some devastating results on your health.

Pure meth has no rush associated with it and none of the feelings you are so obvious found of and most people who have become accustomed to the under reduced product don’t like the real stuff, like you said, it’s “too boring” for them.

Personally I’d rather be “bored” than dead. Like SWID has said before, if you’re happy with what you’re making then more power to you. SWID doesn’t care if you ruin your health; after all, it’s your health. Just don’t represent personal opinion/preferences as brass facts and try to drag others down with you when you know as well as he does that the laws of chemistry state differently. Give players the facts, ALL THE FACTS, and let then decide.

Lab tips should not be about trying to make others do as you do but, instead, educating others with facts and let them decide what path to walk. You guys are moderators and owe it to the members of this community to not try and sway others to your personal preferences but, instead, present the scientific facts as they are and let others decide for their own.

I’m sorry if I’ve pissed you off but players deserve the truth, especially from their leaders!

Excuse my ignorance on HI reaction but i gotta question.

If you were to add a few ml of h2o and reflux for 6 hours after the slacker style dry fast rxn, how would this compare to the LWR?

would it be a waste of 6 hours? or would it give the slacker a little more leg?

Bump!

KrackleBack, the addition of hours to cook time would lead to a more fully reduced product and yes, the legs should grow. More important the risk to your health should be reduced. Again all this is relevant to the feedstock you start with....trash in trash out!

It takes time to grow a baby, it takes time to fully convert meth

B U M P !

DarkSky I can't help but saying shut the fuck up dude!! You have been cooking what?! A whole five months?!



You challenge two motherfucking Moderators on our knowledge and skills?!

You're fucking out of bounds here bud!!

Iodoephedrine dope makes your pores erupt with volconoes!!

Iodoephedrine is under-reduced!!



Fuck off!!

I'm tired of your blatantly ignorant anal-retentive ass man!!



Fuck you and your Hive bullshit and what the fuck ever you got to say!!!



Fuck off!!



Your kind of disrespect is one this Southernman can not tolerate!!



I know its useless to try and get through to your passive-aggresive ass' skull of yours so I got nothing else to say man!!

Except shut the fuck up!!!



And fuck the Hive!! And fuck Wizard X and fuck you!!

Jam.

Jam, suck me and we will both get something out of it! Your NOT god! You talk about respect, well fool, you have to earn respect and you certainly haven't earned it. You want all these players to think your the greatest and you feed them your versoin of the facts, even if the REAl facts differ from what you say. Grow up child, Lab Tips isn't about you, its about the members of this community.

And I've been cooking 7 months but in that 7 months I've learned the truth and want to share it with these players. It's sad that for all your years your scared to tell these players the truth in fear they might not think of you as God any longer.

So, what's your next step, remove me from this forum. Let me tell you my childish little man if this forum is gonna be about your bullshit then I will leave on my own! Hell, at least they tell the truth at the hive and there are no God's there.

You must really have a pathetic life if your whole world revolves around trying to make these players think your God...Laughing @ you!

Keep Cooking my friends!...and learn the truth, not Jams version!

and now....in #1 spot....BUMP!

should i try meth, i love coke, just a dumb question that needs to be flamed upon

You go Guys, don't hold back now ok?

All I would like to know is if the "shadow" people are from short reactions, or if they are actually from sleep deprivation since they never seem to show up until day 3 or so. I would actually like to keep them, they are good company when everyohe else has deserted you, sometimes they are the only ones that will talk to the ol'man after 3 days.

I don't think I got anything back from my first 3 dreams, I usually end up with 65-70% Being anal retentive helps I think!!LOL

quote:Originally posted by PORingoo:

You go Guys, don't hold back now ok?

All I would like to know is if the "shadow" people are from short reactions, or if they are actually from sleep deprivation since they never seem to show up until day 3 or so. I would actually like to keep them, they are good company when everyohe else has deserted you, sometimes they are the only ones that will talk to the ol'man after 3 days.

I don't think I got anything back from my first 3 dreams, I usually end up with 65-70% Being anal retentive helps I think!!LOL

And the shadow people won't call the police! he he Nor will they steal your shit...they might hide it from you and make you tear the fucking house up looking for it though. do ya feel me? he he he

Jam and Dark,let it go. Dark you speak of opinions and how labtips should be of facts. Jam repeated cursing serves no ones purposes but your own. TO both of you this is meant to bring you back to reality.

Darksky -- you say that we should spread knowledge of how things work and you seem to think that we dont do that. I have shared more knowledge at this site and others than you could ever imagine. who in the fuck are you to come in here like your a top bee and disrespect us? all we have ever done is share what we believe is true, and you come in here acting like we have been betraying all of the posters here. you think you can run this ship better? well you cant so fuck off, you dont know shit, and if you do, you sure as hell havent shared it with us. I feel completely disrespected and I am growing quite pissed at you by the day. All we ever wanted to do was share what we know and by you saying that we are not doing that is a kick in the balls. as far as I am concerned, if your so smart and all knowing... why dont you get the fuck out of here and go post at the hive.

yo jam, just finished your quick fast syn. ....10grs to start, 6.9grms return andsome of the clean kick ass shit so for to date!!, thanks.(store brand 120's),don't getme wrong dark, but we like the tweeker shit around here,to each his own,,,,,i can't believe only 3hours total time......

RINGO

quote:Originally posted by MIND:

should i try meth, i love coke, just a dumb question that needs to be flamed upon

Ha ha you actually managed to sneak that one by without getting flamed

To answer your question, I think meth kicks the shit out of coke, but it really is a matter of preference. When I used to do coke, I thought meth sucked - just kept me awake, and that was it. But after you do it a few times you start to notice the subtleties to it that make it so damn good. It's just a clean, crisp, ass-kickin' space truckin' buzz.

The other thing I hate about coke is needing to blast another rail every 20 minutes. I spend half the night jonesing for more coke. I did one line and smoked one toke of meth last night at about 10 just to test the potency of the latest batch, and I'm still sitting here fucking wired, although I do believe I'm finally starting to slow down.

Still stoned enough to answer this question, though...

Right on Jib!! <A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing24.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing24.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing24.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>



Jam. <A HREF="http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonstawing.gif">http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonstawing.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonstawing.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

Right on Ringoo!! <A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing24.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing24.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing24.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

Jam. <A HREF="http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonstawing.gif">http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonstawing.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonstawing.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

Acidmelt, the laws of chemistry are unforgiving! Now it’s apparent that you’ve been at this for some time and it saddens me to think that, in all your years cooking, you have not learned the laws of chemistry. I find that hard to believe, therefore the only option is you chose to ignore the laws of chemistry or else believe that you are right and all of the worlds smartest chemist are wrong….surly you don’t believe that.

So if you know the laws of chemistry and still preach the fast/dry cook method you are doing the members of this community a disservice if you don’t (or refuse) to make them aware of the “other side of the coin”. It’s OK to advocate something as long as you don’t misrepresent the thing you are advocating and try to block or hide the “rest of the story” from those with the need to know.

Respect is given when it is earned and NOT when it is demanded and, quite frankly, I have difficulty respecting someone that only tells half of the story because that’s what they advocate. Tell everyone you prefer the fast/dry cook and in the same breath tell them that your views and/or preferences differ from what the laws of chemistry say. Give them the WHOLE truth and, with that, the option of making an educated decision as to what route they want to pursue. Now that’s someone that I could respect! Someone that’s not afraid of providing information that’s differs from their personal preferences, someone like that truly wants to help and not just influence others. Don’t try and “hush” up someone that steps forward and offers the information you neglected to provide.

If you feel disrespected then take a good look in the mirror and look at the one that’s really disrespecting you! If you know that there are chemical rules and laws that differ from your personal opinion and willfully keep this information from the members of the community you are suppose to help and protect then you are truly disrespecting yourself and doing yourself a great injustice. Don’t get mad at me because you disrespect yourself but rectify the situation by coming forth and telling the members of this community that there are opposing views in the chemical world from those you hold.

I know in my heart that you truly want to help the members of this community and would not purposely mislead them; I do NOT believe this about Jam. He’s motivated by petty, selfish reasons and an inferiority complex that makes him need to fell like the omnipotent one. Perhaps you are right, I don’t know shit but I do know what the rules of chemistry say about fast/dry cook as opposed to long/wet cooks and all I have done here is make that information available to the members of this community, something you should have done yourself.

Do I expect you to say you were in error by not offering all of the available information up for consideration??...LMAO, Hell no, I doubt that will ever happen because much like Jam you can’t (or will not) admit when you are in error. What I do expect is much of the same from you and Jam, more animosity towards me and much more vulgarity in an attempt to totally discredit the information I have provided in order to make your opinion seem more legit, regardless what the chemical world states.

You say “you dont know shit, and if you do, you sure as hell havent shared it with us.” Well perhaps I don’t know shit but you are dead wrong in your statement that I have not shared with the members of this community. I have posted one of the most comprehensive reports on H3PO3 that you will find anywhere on the internet and that is only one of my threads, but I guess you don’t read my threads and, therefore, they don’t count. I was the first (and to date the only one) to come forth in this community and write an extensive report on H3PO3 when Jam, your brother moderator, was telling everyone that they might as well give up on getting any H3PO3 and start cleaning matches again. I have shared everything that I discover with the members of this community, EVEN IF THAT INFORMATION IS CONTRARY TO MY PERSONAL OPINION’S. My write ups have been informative and written in a manner which is easy for players to follow and, if they so desire, duplicate. I think that qualifies as “sharing”.

Now I don’t give two hoots if the players here cook fast/dry or long/wet but I do care if all of the necessary and prudent information is withheld from them either willfully or maliciously. You want to destroy your health then go for it! You want the rush and feelings that come with under reduced product then have at it! I DON’T GIVE A FUCK IF YOU KILL YOURSELF! Hell, we all have to die sometime and no reason you can’t beat me to that end result, I really don’t have a problem with that!

When one of our children does wrong we correct them and that correction is done from love and respect for them and the person they will someday be. You and Jam seem to think that anytime someone corrects you or makes a statement contrary to your statement they are disrespecting you…NOT SO…and, quite frankly, for you to take a stance like that says something about you as a person. We can correct and still respect but that’s something you have to work out with yourself.

Now it’s your turn to tell me to “shut the fuck up, fuck off, go back to the Hive, or I don’t have to do anything you tell me too” (that was my all time favorite!) and/or any other little vulgar words of wit you want to throw my way, it doesn’t matter because you and I both know, in our hearts, what the bottom line is and who’s withholding information from the players here.

Why don’t you surprise me and step forward and tell the players here the “rest of the story” about fast/dry vs. long/wet cooks and what the world of chemistry has to say about the whole process. Hell, while you’re at it why don’t you tell them of the health risk associated with consuming under reduced product over an extended period of time….but I doubt that will ever happen. Alcoholics want others to be alcoholics so they can justify their choice to be an alcoholic…misery loves company…, guess it’s the same with meth heads also.

lol!! <A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing27.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing27.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing27.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>



You gonna talk about fuking my asshole now DarkSky?!



You faggot motherfucker!!

You whine like a little bitch.



Jam.

yes I know the chemistry of it. who do you think i am? I am advocating swias way of doing it cause its the easiest way and produces a much more fun product. I am not going to talk about long wet boring dope because i dont like it. If someone wants info on long wet then they can find it somewhere other than from me. I think it sucks and is a waste of time. Thats my opinion and thats how its going to be. Maybe if you were a mod you would have something to say about how i run this forum but your not so fuck off. I didnt even read the rest of your post cause I am done with this, I dont even care what you have to say. I am not disagreeing that the meth isnt FULLY reduced, but I am saying that the product is more euphoric and better feeling that long wet. Thats just the way it is and always will be. However MOST of it is reduced and the little that isnt is what gives the great euphoric feeling. Thats what swia wants. No more arguing, if you have a problem with how this forum is run then either take it to the bitch and moan forum or take it up with the admins of the site cause i have nothing else to say to you.

I second that Bro!



Jam.

And that's why AM is the DJ <A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik12.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik12.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/music/musik12.gif" width="90" height="90)</A> and I am the Doorman!! hehe... <A HREF="http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonst2idee.gif">http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonst2idee.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://www.salacious.de/Smiliez/sonstiges/sonst2idee.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>



Jam.

lmao, just like I predicted!

you must be a psychic.

Well, after watching this little battle from the sidelines, maybe it's time for me to put my two cents worth in the pot.

Swim doesn't feel qualified to debate this from a "scientific" point of view.

After only a handful of dreams. swim sure as hell isn't a "scientist".

However, as a tweeker, swim is sure as hell qualified to comment.

Swim has tryed more than his share of both the hot/fast and the long/slow dope.

In swim's humble opinion the hot/fast KICKS ASS.

This is ONLY swim's humble opinion.

Swim is NOT a "scientist".

More to the point,

Darksky...you seem to be on an ego trip.

Short/hot, long/wet...all a matter of preference.

But, you continue to argue it as the ONLY way.

Maybe you're right...short/hot dope might kill me yet.

I'm 47 years old.

Been tweeking since 17.

Swim thinks he'll give it one more chance....lol

But, thanks for your concern.

I feel the same. thanks for your 2 cents OT.

I am closing this thread now that I have posted a revised slacker synth in the Complete collection post.

[This message has been edited by acidmelt (edited 04-26-2004).]