Swim loaned place to dreamer so dream could be dreamt. First dream swim got to observe.

Left question about rxn setup. Coffee pot on hotplate containing rp/i/e. No surprise there... but then a thick tube duct-taped securely to top of pot then fixed to wall, going up about four feet or so, then coming down and fixed to top of 20oz soda bottle. The question: where is the dope in this setup? When swim asked dreamer, reply was "soda bottle is where dope is". But to swim, this looked like push/pull to catch smells. Could it have been distillation instead? I guess what i'm trying to ask is, Which is it... distillation, or push-pull, and where is the dope, in the soda bottle or the pot?

if rp/i/e were in the pot it sounds like a condenser.

Well push/pull would require two soda bottles. But look at it like this as to what's going on....The answer is the dope is both in the bottle and the pot. Much more so in the pot though. The vapors that rise from the reactions/reductions' action are like vapors in a condensor.

However, the RP/I/E in the pot is reducing and it is there that the remaining mass after the completion of the synthesis is reduced de-oxygenated ephedrine->methamphetamine. Here is where the post-reaction fluid is formed with distilled water and boiled to drop the RP sticking around.

Take this pot full of sludge and boil its solution and then filter it till clear it is ready for the basify/acidify hydrochloride-salt producing insoluable in non-polar but soluable in water methamphetamine hydrochloride.

The dude is distracting your anticipated piece of the goods to come.



If dope left in the exhaust then the push/pull would have never been introduced.

And distillation isn't the case here either.

For that would require the mass-product to be pulled by its vapor at the right temp to a distillation chamber and collected and isolated from the original mass's composition.



Jam.



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Thanks Jam... this makes absolute total sense now, since dreamer did indeed try to fuck swim. Dreamer assumed swim knew nothing, tried to play like only got eight grams back from like ten boxes of pills. Dreamer woulda been one shitty dreamer if that were the case, definitely not worthy of his "legendary" status around these parts. Funny thing is, dreamer and cohorts tried so hard to fuck swim that they ended up getting fucked 100 times harder, and anally at that. Didn't anticipate Uncle Psycho from across Crack Avenue gettin swim's back. If anyone wants to hear a story that should be made into a movie, and possibly learn a lesson on honesty, email swim for the details.

Anyway, skipping the details, swim now possesses ALL of dreamer's dreaming materials; swim intends to take over the dream. Two items that need clarification: 1) A jar half full of coffee filters, soaking in a solvent that is most likely either methanol or coleman's (np solvent). 2) Another smaller jar that smells similar to first, but with just liquid and a bit of white floaties hovering near bottom. Swim thinks this is definitely np solvent with goods dissolved in it (the "seed"), the floaties being lye/emulsion due to hasty siphoning.

Swim knows one of these is the seed... which is it, and how does swim go about getting it out into powder form?

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Strain/filter/evap the solids out in the air.

Take the filter jar and filter out the liquid inside.

Save and lay out flat the filters not used to strain the solids and squeeze/wring-dry-respectively.



If you were around the goods to gas with you could gas the NP inthe filterjar.

If not save that fluid and I guarentee there's more to come!!



Focus on the solids inside the jars and worry bout gassing fluids later.



I like to place three coffefilters on top of the ones with solids on their surface and turn on the Stove/Oven exhaust and use the vacume action to pull vapors away and out into the open air to forsake the inside of the house and also to accelerate their drying action.

Worthless tid-bit but fuck it hey?!

Jam.

Thanx so much Jam, the given info will help greatly swim's sure. Just wanna get a couple things straight...

Both jars are freebase dissolved in non-polar?

The jar with the filters... There is some finished HCL salt in that, i just strain the shit off?

Then the rest of what's in both jars needs gassed/titrated?

Correct swim on any/all of this. Again, infinite thanks.

Yeah the solids are salt of methamphetamine which acidifying the freebase produces.

So filter out the solids and either run and buy some muriatic acid and shake or use some foil and muriatic which I wouldn't do if this is the first time.

Drop conservatively as the nonpolarhas been acidified. two three drops to start and shake the shit for ten minutes as if you're having a seizure and watch the snot drop to the bottom corners......use a pull/pop-top lid and turn upside down and wait for gravity to push all the snot over the cap and squeeze out the snot. Using no flame a coffe heating element will suffice here and lightly dress the evapping snot with ice-cold acetone.

Flash that fucker and collect the left over acetone once the surface of the snot is covered......soon you will see crystals a poppin'.

Not too hard right?!



Jam.

Kinda really hard considering swim has never done any of this, and has only seen it once.

Swim *has* done extensive research over past few years, so knows theoretically how things are supposed to be/look, so swim has many MANY annoying questions... ;-D

Why can swim add muriatic directly to non-polar rather than adding water and making another layer first? Swim assumes it's because there's already water in the muriatic, but... more info is better than less.

Also... should swim add acetone while snot is evapping? And what exactly is meant by "collect the acetone"... collect it as a vapor, or pour it off right away? or some other misunderstood version of "collect"?? Cuz man when that acetone hits something even slightly warm, it's gone.

Nowater needed here. Add that puppy a couple drops at a time now and shake. If any dope is there the snot will drop to the bottom and collect around the corners. If no snot forms here add two more drops and shake and so on.



It is possible that there sin't anythere but my doubts are saying this won't be the case.

Yes add acetone while the snot is forming an oily texture over the heating element.

Collect refers to pouring roughly enough to saturate the surface area of the evap dish and after say 15 seconds pouring the acetone into a collection container. Save this tone now as it will have some dope in it. I suggest throwing it into the freezer with a ziplock bag rubberband secured over it to stop it from ruining all contents within the freezer hehe. as well as saving the shit which maybe inside.



Tell you what man...on second thought forgo the tone collections provided the heat is high enough and leave it in the evap dish.



Some do it this way some Old-Timers collect and freezer pull it like I was suggesting.

Jam.

OK Jam,

swim figured out what the dilly: the solids in the jar is combination of unreduced E, I, and RP. It is approx. 1 inch diameter ball of solid purple crap, wrapped in filters. the liquid in the jar is water. After filtering the water, it was yellow... At this point swim tried swijam's method (drop acid, collect snot, evap), but no snot formed. So swim added a lil water and a lil np to it, the np formed a layer and this is how swim found out it was water. Right -- so swim thought the yellow meant there's goods in there, but gotta do A/B extraction... so swim tried his first A/B. Water in big jar, np in forming top layer, lye in to basify to what swim believed was at least pH 12.5, let settle, two distinct layers with emulsion in the middle, water layer not looking so yellow now so swim is thinking he's on the right track. Siphon off np, add new water, a couple drops of ... blast!! Way too much muriatic. Evapped water anyway, scraped solids and got salt. shit, nada, did not burn on foil and tasted umistakably like salt. The BIG ?: Did swim kill it with muriatic, or was there no dope in the first place??? Swim is positively absolutely sure the 1" ball in the jar is unreduced E (the "seed", these jerks don't believe in finishing what they start), so maybe to get anything out of the water around it, swim need cook it again? Any info is always appreciated...

quote:The BIG ?: Did swim kill it with muriatic, or was there no dope in the first place???It's been tapped of all the dope.



quote:Swim is positively absolutely sure the 1" ball in the jar is unreduced E (the "seed", these jerks don't believe in finishing what they start), so maybe to get anything out of the water around it, swim need cook it again?Well anytime you got unreacted E the only two viable solutions here is to either throw it out orto throw it in the next Rxn. As this is the only way to finish what was started here. I know you probably know this and I don't mean to say it in the pretext that you don't.

Just pointing out for others who don't know this in explicit and comprehensive language so as to impress upon the point at hand as it is a common crossroad for the apprenticed Dreamer.

Jam.

damn bothering people is fun... :-D

say swim takes over the dream. swim remembers exactly how Cracker McDopeCooker had his shit setup, swim possesses all the equipment. Just need to know for sure if any/all of it is necessary:

-Coffee pot on electric hot plate is rxn vessel

-Pot is securely duct taped closed, aside from thick tube connected at top

-Other end of tube is securely duct taped to 1 liter soda bottle

Q's:

1) Is the soda bottle there to catch gas/vapors? If so, can swim just scratch the bottle and lead the tube outside?

2) Is this a feasible setup? i.e. will the dope cook like this in the pot, and all the normal rxn signs be present?

3) If this is feasible, could a weight estimate be given for the 1" ball of unreduced eph so swim knows how much other stuff to add?

thanx as always.

1)Yes

2)Yes.

3)Clean the ball with an acetone soak and strain ......repeat until the colors are removed(don't have to be perfect here but clean it up with the mentality that you are only needing the E not any other attatchment that may be with it ie: unreacted I/RP.......you are only going to reduce this E if it is clean and free of contaminants)

Once the E is cleaned to your best judegement use this ratio:

E:I:RP:dH2O(per gram)

1/1.5/1/1ml(or one CC of a 100 unit syringe as 100 units=1cc/ml)<-----or buy a baby syringe

So trash the bottle and ain't no reason you can't run a hose outside.

I'm not going to guess whether or not you're out in the country as you'd have to be to think ofdoing it like this but yes you can do it like this no problem.

Jam.

oh my god man, you need to read SO MUCH MORE before you try any of this shit again, you are going to kill yourself and everyone around you, or you are going to burn the "loaned" place down, or both at the same time. it takes months if not years to learn and perfect something like this, and it almost certainly takes at least 4 months of hard studying and learning before ANYTHING or ANY PART of this is ever "theoretically" done. please learn and take time to read and figure everything out before trying this again. i am suprised that anyone even helped you out.... let alone jam. he would have been the LAST person that i would have thought to help you out with all your questions. he has high respect around here and usually wont help someone unless they have done the necessary research before hand

SwIm might be missing the point here...

But there is the reaction vessel on hotplate,ok, then there is a long hose leading up out from the reaction vessel, goes up in the air, across ceiling, down wall, into plastic bottle.

This plastic bottle.

Is it a plastic bottle INSIDE another plastic bottle? with water.

Swims read where someone did this, the hose was connected to the inner bottle, the inner bottle had a few bits of the feet cut off, about 20mm square area total (5mm square each in about 5 places) this bottle was placed in another the same size or larger (say a 2 litre inside a 2.5 litre) then some water was put into the outside bottle.

The push/pull referrs to the pressure put into the bottles from the reaction in the reaction vessel, the PUSH would push some of the water from the inside bottle into the outside bottle (upsetting the water level) after the reaction has mostly passed the reaction would PULL, pulling the water from the outside bottle into the inside bottle, the bit of info here is that it WON'T pull the water into the hose up into the reaction vessel, it will pull the water sofar then pull bubbles into the bottles. It will catch smells.

The first push/pull Swim seen on web was two plastic petrol containers, side by side.

Hope all this helps/S