According to cnn news today, ephedra/ephedrine will be banned in march by the fda from U.S. just like ppa.

Whats next safrole?

Well actually it only pertains to ephedra. Since ephedra is a nutritional supplement or is/was categorized as such, it didn't have any regulation as say Vitimin C (or Kava Kava or Ginseng etc) do.

Ephedrine is not categorized or listed as a supplement and is regulated and will continue to be allowed to be sold by those that still sell it.

Federal Law allows 9.35 grams of ephedrine Hcl to be sold at one time still. Believe it or not.

Jam.

Actually it did only mention ephedra, I just assumed ephedrine would go with it.

Maybe this will force the gas stations that only sell ephedra to sell ephedrine hcl.

Thanks FDA!

quote:Maybe this will force the gas stations that only sell ephedra to sell ephedrine hcl.

Thanks FDA!Well if not then the two-ways eh?! Who gives a shit about ephedra if you ask me!! Here's how I felt about it all along~ephedra~ <A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/291.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/291.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/291.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

Jam.

Ephedra and ephedrine are shit anyway. not like meth chemsits should care or any1 for that matter.

anyway they cant make safrole illegal (well the FDA couldnt anyway) cause it is used for candle scents. *sticks tongue out at the feds* fuck u a-holes.

Ephedrine can be used in the cyanate rout to 4-methylaminorex, on top of that it is simple to extract since the pill deturrent patents do not apply to them [so far].

Although ephedra pills are a rip-off you could still buy a pound online for $8 and extract about 15 grams of various starting materials such as eph/pseudo/noreph/norpseudo with chloroform.

For swim the cyanate rout [ephedrine-&gt;u4euh] works everytime, its fast, gives a full yeild and it never smells from start to finish. I definitly cannot say the same for pseudo extractions/reductions to meth.

Once you experience u4euh, methamphetamine is no longer interesting.

quote:Once you experience u4euh, methamphetamine is no longer interesting.I have to disagree.



quote:For swim the cyanate rout [ephedrine-&gt;u4euh] works everytime, its fast, gives a full yeild If so, please post the synthesis you are referring to. I'm curious to see it myself, and I'm sure others are as well. It sounds as though only ephedrine will work for this synth. Is this true?!

quote:Ephedra and ephedrine are shit anyway. not like meth chemsits should care or any1 for that matter.&lt;---quoted from My-Excuse

Well this is half-true. The ephedrine, although rarely used these days as it is for most, unavailable or too cost-prohibitive, I (when dreaming) for one use it and call me old fashioned, but I think it produces a better product.

quote:anyway they cant make safrole illegal &lt;---&lt;---quoted from My-ExcuseIt's always baffled me as to why nobody makes MDMA in North America man. Sure there are a few out there who do but they are in the ultra-minority and here we have European Dutch chemists who are reported to import their safrole from here and wind-up sending the product from their safrole purchases back here in the form of X-tabs. It'd be just like if China imported their methamphetamine from say...us which was produced from their (pseudo)ephedrine they produce. It just doesn't make any sense man.

https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=212038ƒ

Ephedrine and norephedrine can be used in the safe cyanate method to create the potent trans isomer, pseudoephedrine and norpseudoephedrine have to be used with the cyanogen bromide method but it is vary lethal and produces the cis isomer which is 5 times weaker.

By refluxing pseudo or norpseudo in hcl you can turn half of it into ephedrine or norephedrine, then use it in cyanate and wash the amide out with np.

The amide is the result of running pseudo in the cyanate rout.

So what? Nobody really uses ephedra for making meth anyway, it contains to many other amines to be all that usefull. I could see maybe getting gallons of extract, extracting and purifying the ephdrine akaloids, and steam distilling with AlCl3 and H2SO4 to make P2P and go from there. As far as epehdrine HCl goes, SWIM doesn't really see that anywhere. SWIM thought pure ephedrine products have already been banned, which was why all the companies started using ephedra extract instead. The majority of the time, cold pills are utilized, which contain pseudoephedrine, and do not fall under the US ban.

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Ephedrine can be used in the cyanate rout to 4-methylaminorex, on top of that it is simple to extract since the pill deturrent patents do not apply to them [so far].



Bullshit, you do not get 4-methylaminorex from ephedrine or pseudoephedrine.

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For swim the cyanate rout [ephedrine-&gt;u4euh] works everytime, its fast, gives a full yeild and it never smells from start to finish. I definitly cannot say the same for pseudo extractions/reductions to meth.



It may work, but what you are getting is not 4-methylaminorex. It's actually dimethylaminorex, which has been cited to cause deadly seizures in some people. Not something I would play with. Try doing a search using The Hives "fucking" search engine on routes to 4-mar without CNBr. By your attempt at describing the different isomers produced tells me you have already read some of the cyanate notes at The Hive, so keep reading.

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Once you experience u4euh, methamphetamine is no longer interesting.



Sorry, but personal opinions mean nothing in chemistry.

My bad, I seem to just want to pick on somebody today. If you want real methylaminorex, use PPA. If you can't get it, synthesize it. There are a myriad of ways. You could try making benzaldehyde from toluene and start from there. If one has nitroethane, you could try condensation with bisulphite adduct of benzaldehyde, and reducing the resulting nitroalcohol to get PPA (on a side note esterfying the alcohol group before reduction will produce amphetamine, as the ester gets reduced too).

Or you could try an akabori synthesis by condensating alanine and PPA, and decarboxylating the resulting phenylserine, giving PPA. Or you can buy a bunch of propiophenone, brominate it, then react with ammonia giving PPA. The possibilities are endless.

trans-4-dimethylaminorex is safe and potent, any stimulant can cause seizures.

That link rhodium posted refers to the cis isomer and is more than likely misinformation.