Allright, Lets say a fella has 2.5g of pure Pseudo, and he is looking to make this into methcathinone. About how much water should he dilute the Pseudo in and how much water should he dilute the KMnO4 in? He would be using the Cold synth (KMnO4 synth found on Rhodium) And how long, at what temperature should he let the reaction take place, before adding the Isopropanol, Is the Isopropanol really necesary and if so how much should be used.

Sorry for all the naggy-ass questions but all synths have been followed exactly, and have failed for this guy.

If you have any tips please help out.

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conversely, SWIM tried the cold synth here

(SWIM was testin his 25mg pills, seein if a simple alcohol pull would work) and it did...

SWIM thought, what the fuck, why not make it into something a little more fun

SWIM couldnt do a meth cook cos is staying with his relatives, so he got sum KMnO4 and DH20, mixed 3 grams PFED to 1gram KMnO4; reaction volume approx. 200mls

10 hours in the fridge it smelled good and was clear

in went 100mls of ISO and left to stand for 2 hours

in went 1ml of HCL (swim had no pH tester so he just approximated) and evaporated on low heat

bingo! sum yellowy white crystals, scraped off the plate...

the fucker burnt black on foil, didnt do an a/b nor an acetone clean (couldnt be fucked, it was only a test anyway)

snorted, was pretty good. not like meth, more happy, not as 'serious' and intense like meth can be, this was more of a fuck around high, but not bad given the relative ease of the synth

now, where did you go wrong? and what was your resulting product like?

mook you need to go to Wet Dreams and enter in your Cat synhesis then man.

In the Positive Dreams Forum.

If what you state and recite is fact and not fantasy, then I insist on you doing so please.

Ok?



Jam.

SWIM has no woes in doing so jam, but actually it is just the KMnO4 cold synth by Mr Clean from rhodium

SWIM is in between countries right now, SWIM will do a more refined cook ( or should i say chill) when he gets home and will post that and its results

jolly; did you do any of the following?

1. use distilled water instead of tap

2. used too much KMnO4

3. did not chill the reaction fluids prior to mixing

4. did u do an a/b and added lye straight into the reaction mix, if this is what u did then the heat produced would have destroyed all the cat (its a sensitive kitten you see, not like big dawg meth)

just some things that may have gone wrong...

oops, SWIM wrote using distilled water instead of tap as a no-no , he meant it the other way around;

use distilled water!

Could you share how you would go about doing the a/b & acetone clean on the methcathinone then?

Swim might actually give this a go one day & just wants to know the best way of cleaning it up before crystalising.

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I FRICKIN LOVE IT!!!!!!

the final product...

was swim's cat any good?

there are not many trip reports out there.

could swim provide a summary of the effects?

Thanks mook, You are a genius. call me.

So mook, your saying to take the 3g pseudo powder and 1g KMnO4 powder and put them both in a beaker with 200ml d-H2O, let them sit for 10 hours or so, add 100mL iso to the now clear 200mL solution, let sit for 2 hours, add 1ml of concentrated HCl and evaporate on low heat.

My questions on this are:

Do the KMnO4 and Pseudo need to be put in seperate solutions, then cooled, and THEN added together to react or just chuck the two together and add the 100mL d-H2O?

After adding the 100mL of iso, Where does it sit for the 2 hours? like back in the fridge or like room temp somewhere?

If the fella has Ph papers, What Ph should it be at?

Can evaporation be done by placing the solution in a pyrex dish and then putting the dish in water and simmering the water?

And does this pill cleaning method work good? http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/pseudo.xtract.smackdown.html#RedHots

Thanks a bunck mook and others.

Methcathinone?

From posts on this board, I am starting to think that while it's easy to make... why bother?

Does little more than a cup of espresso and a Mountain Dew

quote:Originally posted by daweller:

Methcathinone?

From posts on this board, I am starting to think that while it's easy to make... why bother?

Does little more than a cup of espresso and a Mountain Dew

dweller lets not get real deep into this but its not as easy as you think to make good Kat.Ive tried some kat that damn near knocked my socks off.However i agree theres alot of different ways to do it but if done right its a damn good buzz trust me

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Interesting. I looked all through rhodium, and didn't find the synth you refer to. Enlighten me please?

Searched for Mr Clean, methcathinone, and cold cat synthesis.

Nothing

quote:Originally posted by wolffe69:

Interesting. I looked all through rhodium, and didn't find the synth you refer to. Enlighten me please?

Searched for Mr Clean, methcathinone, and cold cat synthesis.

Nothing

Go to www.rhodium.ws (http://www.rhodium.ws) then click on chemistry then youll find enuff synths to keep you busy for life