Agreed.

Does the U.K. sell pure grain alcohol(190-proof/95% ethyl alcohol).

If so use it.

It is the ultimate fuel and the ultimate alcohol in my book.

I brew mine.(rye-based for drinking and molasses-based for my 427-1970-Hemi-Cuda)<-road-ripping-fun I tell ya!!!



Jam.

jam is correct

as usual

try finding anything but methanol,,

use it as a last resort..

methylated spirits can be used as the very last resort

but dry it

jam

did you say rubbing alcohol was fine to use?

[This message has been edited by kirby (edited 12-21-2003).]

SWIM dont puncuate. SWIM dont use correct grammer. SWIM dont give a fuck. but SWIM is an extracting motherfucker jack heh. WORD!!!!

So either Denatured alcohol or Isopropyl alcohol can be used for the decanting?

Jam stated somewhere that half the trouble with the online learning is deciphering the messages people send. I can't agree more! It's been tough, but I'm finally getting it... I think...

[This message has been edited by BorisB73 (edited 12-21-2003).]

I was thinking maybe distilling vodka for the ethanol. Would this work? It's a little pricy but might work.

What do you mean 'dry' meth spirit?

Squirrelyone, I tried to answer your emails, but got a message that your email addy wasn't working.

yeah...how do you dry meth spirits? (are we talking about the liquid purple stuff - denatured alcohol?)

Curbshot's effi extraction uses methylated spirits only anyway...

works!!!

why do much more?

Denatured alcohol isn't purple, so whatever you're talking about must have something else in it-maybe like aromatic hydrocarbons.

hello again one and all. before i go on - happy holidays to everyone!!!

swim tried again to clean 30's x 196 and 120's x 30. again swim mixed 210ml iso, 210 naptha, 6gm salt, 12gm iso. brought to boiling, poured off hot. repeated two more times. added 150ml xylene to extraction fluid. swim boiled to 80 degrees C. could not get any hotter according to my thermometer. there was nothing there, but rinsed with MEK anyway in hopes that something would appear. came up empty. im not trying to be a problem here i just cannot figure out why this will not work. is there another method u can point me to to try?!?!? swim wants to see snow for xmas!!!

Infosponge, curbshots method is outdated and will NOT remove orange gakk 2. you must understand that what worked last year, last month, hell last week may not work today. the pill formulas are constantly evolving in the governments so called "war on drugs" the simple alky extractions of the past are GONE forever, say the eulogy have the fuckin funeral and call it good then start researching here and different sites and be on the cutting edge of extraction tech.

Japan drier is purple.

Squirrly one that method you are using wont extract shit im sorry to say. it sounds like a confuckle of a couple different extractions mixed together. whatever it is it sure isnt wickeds lol SWIM thinks its some bastardized version of the straight to E by video editor. anyways here is what SWIM does, follow the directions to a letter DONT CHANGE ANYTHING AND DONT SUBSTITUTE ANY CHEMS PERIOD!!!! it has worked for literally hundreds of people. the only people that reported probs were people that cant or wont follow simple directions. its easy as hell to follow and you dont have to boil solvents. anyone that cant do this extraction method should give up and get a job and buy there dope.

here the shit is:

*** Neither the author of this post, nor this website or its owners advocate the use, manufacture or sale of any controlled substance. All posts are for information and entertainment purposes only, and should not be considered meaningful. ***

Chems Needed:

TCE= available at your local auto parts store. ingrediants are:

Tetrachloroethylene 127-18-4 & carbon dioxide 124-38-9

the tetra is the chemical the carbon dioxide is the propellent. if you are looking at the right can (red & black with a black cap) then these will be the ingrediants. heres the addy to a forum that has a pic of the proper can you need to look for, check the 5th post down by Wicked_Rain and click on the image link that says TCE.jpg the picture will open in a new window. NO SUBSTITUTIONS http://161.57.220.62/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=157

Japan Dryer is used when varnishing or shellacing in humid weather. it is added to the varnish or shellac to speed up the drying process. available at hardware stores in the paint section. NO SUBSTITUTIONS



the mix desired is 10 to 1

example: 100 ml TCE 10 ml JD

you want to cover the powdered pill mass with 10 times the amount of fluid which we will call purple beet juice.

example: 1/2 inch of powdered pill mass in quart jar would need 5 inchs of purple beet juice. in this example it would be about 500 ml of purple beet juice needed.

so spray into a clean empty jar 500 ml of the TCE then pour in 50 ml of JD shake well and then pour it on the pill mass in the other jar. let it soak for 3 minutes NO MORE THAN 3 MINUTES. got it? good.

here is the step by step SWIM did in his first test run complete with list of active ingrediants and inactives.

ACTIVE INGREDIANTS

Ephedrine HCL .60 mg

tripolidine 2.5 mg

INACTIVE INGREDIANTS

methylcellulose

lactose

magnesium stearate

polyethylene glycol

silica gel

starch

stearic acid

titanium dioxide

1...ground up pills with mortar and pestle to a fine powder. weight of pill mass was 21.4 grams

2...passed thru a fine sieve used in canning jellies (its all plastic and works great)

3...measured out 100 ml TCE and 10 ml japan drier. mixed together and poured onto pill powder in 1 quart jar. stirred well and let set three minutes.

4...poured entire jar contents thru a funnel with a single filter and no plug. pill mass was an ugly sorta pale blue/grey. sprayed sides of filter down with TCE from the spray can with tube attached. when all pill mass was in bottom of filter it was removed twisted and rung out.

5...opened filter and spread pill mass out on glass plate. as it dried the small clumps were chopped smaller with razor blade. it was left to set untill it was totally bone dry.

6...the dried pill mass was passed thru the fine sieve again. weight of pill mass now 21.2 (a side note of caution here, to avoid the wrath of the wife buy your own fine sieve strainer from canning section of store. dont use hers as it will smell of japan drier untill the end of the time)

7...placed pill mass in clean quart jar. poured in 250 ml of denatured alcohol. stirred let set an hour. decanted, evapped,

repeated two more times.

8...took scrapings from 3 evaps (they were ugly blue/grey (but SWIM had faith in ware and was not worried) ran them through the fine sieve strainer again, poured 100 ml of acetone on the crystals and stirred and stirred and voila white crystals crashing out of tone and the tone was now the ugly blue/grey color. decanted tone spread crystals out on plate to finish drying and they were beautiful snow white crystals SWIM had to put on his sunglasses they were so white lol.

out of a possible 8.6 SWIM`s insane friend got 7.4

now then see, thats a pretty easy technique and it is the latest from the crew at up allnight productions. it kicks everything to the curb including orange gak, orange gakk 2, and povidone, also tryp and chlor. mal. BAM!!! kicked to the curb. i cant stress enough tho so ill say it one more time. FOLLW THE WRITEUP TO THE LETTER!!!!!!!

NO SUBSTITITIONS!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!



when done properly it looks like this pic at another forum. http://161.57.220.62/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101

just scroll to the bottom of the opening post and click on the image link. it will open in a new window. thats the way clean E is supposed to look like boys and girls.

class dismissed!

[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 12-24-2003).]

[This message has been edited by Wicked_Rain (edited 12-24-2003).]

lol...here we're about 5 yrs behind you guys...rofl!!!

Until about 8 months ago E had a schedule of about -5 instead of the new 5 rating it has been given...lol

Trust me...there are only binders in our bronco's



[This message has been edited by Infosponge (edited 12-24-2003).]

wicked rain

seems a good writeup

i am used to 'seeing videoeditor's writeups

----

for those near mex:

go to pharmacia and ask for ephedra chlordate

pay around 60/oz after haggling--pure

we all know it dissolves in nearly anything<w>

SWIM has had good results using video editors "straight to bee (base)"

is SWIM the only one partial to this technique?

vid claims it to prolly b useful for the forseeable future; true or false? or will only time and adulterants tell?

SWIM is partial to bullseye 60's w/ chlor. mel. $2.50/24

Well if I were buying pseudo and having to refine them I would recommend buying the 48-60's for $2.98 at Wally World. And use the TCE/JD for a simple and quick start--->to--->finish times. VE's str8t-->2-->E seems like a whole lot of steps and procedures to elicit the same net result as the TCE/JD.



But if this is working for you then Rock-On----&gt;a_a!! <A HREF="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/smoking/rauch15.gif">http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/smoking/rauch15.gif" width="90" height="90 (http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/smoking/rauch15.gif" width="90" height="90)</A>

Jam.



[This message has been edited by Jamiroquai (edited 01-03-2004).]

Squirrelgirl, if you aren't going to try a cleaning method EXACTLY the way it's written up, then you must not want to succeed. If I remember correctly, the Str8 to E method calls for boiling your solvents at 105C(for five minutes), not 80C. I suggest that you try the IDEA or Egull method(modified to include japan dryer), depending on whether you're using DMF or NDMF pills.

SWIM hears 'ya Jam, but wally's is kinda far for SWIM to travel, the bullseye dog place is 'round the corner, and the beads are pretty clean.SWIM has yet to find a source for TCE/japan, so, for now it's straight to bee.

BTW, could you post the TCE/japan for SWIM, he misplaced it.

if your talking about the method itself its on the FIRST PAGE...wicked posted it

Just about any auto parts store will have TCE. She-are-win billies has the japan dryer, or almost any paint store.