Swim has a question, swim had a dream and in the dream the honey did not burn, melt, pop or anything. Can the honey be good still be good to "smell" if it doesn't do any of those things? Swim is a real idiot and doesn't even want to say how botched this dream was. If it is no good, what should swim do? Start a whole new dream?

Well first let me say Rosie that as

Moderator of this Forum I will not tolerate

any flaming upon another when it comes to

Questions Asked Dealing With Actual

Dreaming.-Meaning that if one is new to the

game and has actually gone and done their

research and then gone and hunted and

gathered their precursors and put forth the

effort in refining them and ultimately

combining them to do his or her

reaction/reduction so as to produce meth.



It's the questions dealing with absolutely no foot/fieldwork where the answers are there for the asking if one just does the usual research each and every one of us has/had to in order to educate ourselves for a competent understanding.

So with that said, tell us what happened and what's going on after the fact and it makes for us who may be of help from a common understanding gained from a descriptive explanation of what went on.

This ain't The Hive by God. And anybody who are to respond to a question such as yours will be simply deleted upon firstly getting a reprimand by yours truely!



And yes gentlemen. It is good to be back Moderating here again for when it comes to Jam......all trash gets kicked to the curb......and respect is a two-way street period.

So again, tell us what happened and don't feel bad if you messed-up.

Cooking dope is for the most part, a trial & error learning endevor.

Jam.

Here, Here:

Glad to see things are changing for the better here at totse while swirl was down and out.

Congrats Jam on taking the Mod title back. With 3 top Mods, totse can only become better. One thing swirl will say bout Jam, is it will be straight forward and to to the point. Jam will lead no one down the wrong path.

rosie, have u tried a post work cleaning with cld dry ace?

Swim is no expert, but if u can give a little more info on your rxn ie: pre cleaning, rxn, post cleaning then maybe someone can give some advice.

Been 2 months since swirl has been able to conjur up a pot of honey but the brain is not dead, just the back.

Later, 46

[This message has been edited by 46method (edited 12-19-2003).]

Man I confused you for Dan46 Four-six!!



Jam.

Rosie--

The simple answer I'm sorry to say is "no" it's not something you should injest. It seems like Swigotta ended up with something like that one time and never did figure out how he messed it up. He just counted it as a lesson in keeping everything labeled and not doing lab work when you've been up for a week or two. I would be interested in how you came up with such a product as it may be enlightening.

As for flaming. I am a firm believer in flaming those who come here with bullshit and methods that are life threatening or misleading. Yours sounds like nothing more than a bit of embarrassment and I guarantee that everyone here has done things equal to or even more ridiculous than what you have done. Some I have archived. So anyone who wants to post in this thread and call you stupid may want to make sure they have never posted anything stupid here.

What you should do from here depends on how you got here.

Okay guys, I didn't really want to have to do this but you asked for it! Swim already had a great dream, as you know if you read previous posts. So Swim decided to dream again, and kinda screwed up as Swim gave all printed recipes away, but thought enough was stored in that stupid brain! So Swim did the reaction, all went soooo well, even better than the first dream. Then Swim was drinking and took the shit off the stove after hours! and what did Swim immediately do?? Mixed red devil lye and dh20 in it! Then Swim thinks it doesn't look so hot, so gets on website and reads and realizies. GEE!!!! Swim left out a step!!! So Swim has cleaned and cleaned and cleaned this post reaction garbage, only to realize, Swim likes TEA a LOT, and Swim used his TEA pot to crystalllize, and now the shit looks tan and smells like TEA!!!!! What a fool!!! Swim is pretty drunk now.... so forgive me. But anyway, swims bro will be the guinea pig regardless, but swim tasted, and like last time, salty. Won't burn on foil, but just wondering what swim should do now.My bro says the tea thing is okay with him, he has had worse! But swim wants it to be great! What should swim do now? As we speak, the honey is sitting in a jar of tolulene, trying to get out tan color AND anything else that's in there! HELP ME!

brine wash A very good wash with much the same benefits as the lye solution wash is the brine wash...a wash with salt-saturated hot water. This wash also provides a benefit in helping dry the non-polar solvent if you will gas.

Cautions in washing. You can wash with water alone. Conventional wisdom is to never let the ph of the wash water fall below pH 9 or 10 while doing this, as you supposedly start losing product.I think this is nonsense, but never tosses out his rinse water until he finishes up and determines he did not, in fact, throw the baby out with the wash water. And he has done an A/B extraction of the rinse water alone and recovered more than a gram of meth from it (one ounce reaction). This says you can in fact wash out some of the goodies. So don't toss the wash water until you are through. Note that the use of NaOH solution wash will avoid the problem with the pH of the water falling, will rid the mix of NaOH residues and excess sodium ions, and make the washes more complete.

Transfer your reaction fluid in a separatory funnel (or ghetto equivalent). Add the non-polar solvent you have selected to use to extract the methamphetamine. The amount to use is dependent on the quantity of methamphetamine you will extract and on the characteristics of the solvent you will use. Standard procedure is to extract three times with equal volumes of solvent.

And how do you edit a post!!! I am trying to edit Swim likes HIS tea, to read HER tea, and don't know how! Swim has been drinking again, forgive swim, that is obviously what caused this whole nightmare to begin with!!!

The volume of solvent is more dependent on the quantity of meth to extract rather than the volume of the reaction fluid, which includes the water used to rinse the flask, the red and the filters. Experience will give you a feel for it. For extractions of less than one ounce of expected methamphetamine, use at least three 200 ml volumes of solvent. Use 300 ml volumes if using naptha or mineral spirits. You want to use enough solvent to collect the freebase without fully saturating the solvent, but not so much that you make extraction of the methamphetamine from the non-polar solvent diffiuclt due to the volume of solvent The Non-polar solvent wash of filtered honey. How do you wash honey? With a non-polar solvent. This step may be the one single most effective cleaning technique of the post reaction process. Skip it at your peril! Put the honey in a separatory funnel (or ghetto equivalent) and add an equal part of non-polar solvent. Choice of solvent is up to the individual, but Geez likes to use xylene for two such washes, hot naptha for one (since he extracts twice into naptha). He will shake the sep funnel with the solvent in it, not violently, but enough to mix it well. After shaking well, let the fluids settle and separate out the non-polar solvent. If you had a dirty reaction, you probalby picked up orange solids, trash, and cloudy masses of whatever that might happen to be-- do not be concerned--- you do not want this stuff. Your product is safely inside that aqueous reaction fluid and cannot be persuaded to jump to the non-polar until you base the solution and strip that salt off of the meth molecule. You are not going to rinse the goods out with non-polar solvents. So, do it again. Any more trash come out? Do it again. In fact, keep doing it until the solvent is clean. You will most likely continue to see cloudy non-polar solvent with a yellowish coloration after such a wash. Wash until the solvent is clear. TCE is also very useful at this point. Use smaller volumes of TCE than you would other solvents; do not shake the sep funnel or you will have an emulsion that will need fifteen minutes or so the break down. Turning the funnel end to end slowly will do the job quite well.

If your honey was bright yellow, or if it was particularly dirty and the non-polar solvent continued to extract yellow tint from it, you have some contaminant like PEG in the fluid. Some bees will bring the honey to a boil in the flask with non-polar solvent present, and report that this appears to eliminate PEG. The logic behind boiling the contents of the flask is apparent. Hot solvents clean better and boiling the fluid makes certain there is enough convection in the flask to expose all the fluid to the solvent. Experience with pill extraction suggests five mintues is probably sufficient time for the non-polar to absorb what it will; if it is saturated with trash, one may always follow with another boil.

Jam, you are on here RIGHT NOW!!! I feel very lucky. I really did not want to say what a stupid thing swim did!!! Anyway.... you are very gentlemanly and so very glad you are now a mod! I've been at WS all day and I'm registered but didn't have time to figure out how to post a question, so came back here to try my luck, and guess you were my hero!

quote:Originally posted by Rosie:

And how do you edit a post!!! I am trying to edit Swim likes HIS tea, to read HER tea, and don't know how! Swim has been drinking again, forgive swim, that is obviously what caused this whole nightmare to begin with!!! quote:Originally posted by Rosie:

Swim gave all printed recipes away, but thought enough was stored in that stupid brain! So Swim did the reaction, all went soooo well, even better than the first dream.

What's this? You didn't reply an answer. You there Jam?

quote:Originally posted by Rosie:

What's this? You didn't reply an answer. You there Jam?Swim gave all printed recipes away, but thought enough was stored in that stupid brain! So Swim did the reaction, all went soooo well, even better than the first dream. that is obviously what caused this whole nightmare to begin with!!!

I didn't have time to read through jam's book reports (not meant offensively), but I hope somewhere in there he told you that since the reaction didn't suffer, just the post reaction, the product is still in there. In my book, a salty taste means good stuff. I have an answer, but have things to do. I'll come back later to read what jam said before I repeat a bunch of stuff he already said.

Swim dreamt of this stuff once, too, so he's interested in the possible answer(s). Since it was a nano, swim just chucked it.

I'm assuming that what is in the toluene is sitting on the bottom and is your "honey" in its hydrochloride state. I'm not exactly sure the best way to get it out of the toluene and if you have an idea already then that's great. If you don't, I guess I would add some water and separate it out that way. If you have a sep funnel then you can get it all out by adding a little more water after you get almost all of it, and that will allow you to get the rest of it. If the water is cloudy or has things floating in it, heat it a bit. If it still does, filter it using a cotton ball (or half of one) stuffed in the neck of the funnel. Evap the water carefully, not applying too much heat. When its dry, pour some acetone over it and break away any pieces that stick with a plastic knife or similar. Swirl it around and pour it all into a single coffee filter (maybe two if you have the really cheap ones like I have.) You should have something that will burn now. If you had it in powder form, or solid anyway, you could have added a little denatured alcohol, heated it up until it all melted, then evapped the alcohol and rinsed with the acetone. That is much quicker than water. Don't use the alcohol with your non polar solvent because it will cause you separation problems.The dual solvent technique is really not for beginners, but you may want to take a look at it and see what you think. It's not really all that hard to do, it's just a bit tricky getting enough alcohol in to dissolve the crystals without putting in too much which will inhibit the formation of crystals as it cools. That's about the easiest thing I can think of. Let us know how things turn out.