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Old 2003-12-15, 23:17
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Default Need buy online ma-huang !

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I seek has to buy online my-huang at the best price !

know a good address?

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I do somewhere if that's what you are after. From what I remember, the prices were cheap as fuck and the quantities tight.



Will see if it's lurking around my bookmarks somewhere still.



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Old 2003-12-16, 10:34
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Yes sorry i need EXTRACT ephedra because i have a good source for ephedra herb the Kg = 30£ !
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Extraction and synthesis of ephedrine

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Extraction and Separation of Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine

Manske & Holmes, The Alkaloids, Vol III, p 343-344, Academic Press (1953)

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The ephedrine bases may be extracted from the plant material, following

general procedures. A method of extraction has been described by Chou

(165): Powdered Ma Huang was extracted with cold benzene in the presence of

diluted sodium carbonate. The benzene extract was extracted with dilute

hydrochloric acid and the acid solution of the alkaloids clarified. After

adding enough solid potassium carbonate to the acid solution, the alkaloids

were extracted with chloroform. This solution was concentrated, dried over

sodium sulfate, and evaporated to dryness. Ephedrine has been separated

from pseudo-ephedrine by means of the oxalate, the ephedrine salt being

much less soluble in cold water.

Feng and Read (104) found that the low yield of alkaloids obtained by

previous workers was due to incomplete alkalinization of the herb before

extraction with chloroform or ether. Hot extraction and the use of sodium

hydrate to liberate the alkaloids has been found satisfactory. The ammonia-

chloroform process has been critically studied and it was found that a

large excess of ammonia was necessary to liberate the alkaloids. Feng (103)

extracted Ephedra equisetina, first with 80% alcohol and finally with 0.2%

acetic acid. After working up the extracts, ephedrine was separated from

pseudo-ephedrine by crystallization of the hydrochlorides from 95% alcohol.

pseudo-Ephedrine may be recovered from the mother liquors. Ghose and

Krishna (114, 117, 118) described other methods of extraction and the

preparation of alkaloid concentrates. They separated ephedrine from

pseudo-ephedrine by extracting the dry hydrochlorides with chloroform, in

which only the pseudo-ephedrine salt is soluble.

The separation of the six natural ephedra bases has been described by Kanao

(150). l-Ephedrine was first separated as hydrochloride, then pseudoephedrine

as the free base, l-methylephedrine as the oxalate, d-methyl-pseudoephedrine

as the d-bitartrate and finally nor-d-pseudo-ephedrine, from alcohol, as

the sulfate. Norephedrine, which crystallizes together with nor-d-pseudo-

ephedrine was separated in the form of its l-bitartrate.

References:

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103: Chinese J Physiol 1, 63 (1927)

104: J Am Pharm Assoc 16, 1034 (1927)

114: J Soc Chem Ind 48, 67 (1929)

117: Arch Pharm 268, 636 (1930)

118: J Indian Chem Soc Ind & News Ed 6, 142 (1943)

150: Ber 63, 95 (1930)

165: J Biol Chem 70, 109 (1926)



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Physical Properties of Ephedrine (l-Ephedrine)

Manske & Holmes, The Alkaloids, Vol III, p 344-347, Academic Press (1953)

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The free base (anhydrous) has mp 38.1°C; the hemihydrate, mp 40°C. With

1.5% water, a eutectic mixture, ephedrine-ephedrine hydrate, with mp 32.1°C,

is obtained. The bp of anhydrous ephedrine is 225°C (760 mmHg) and 152-153°C

(25 mmHg) (236-237). However, ephedrine is volatile even at room temperature;

a sample exposed by Read to the air showed a loss of 33% after 4.5 months (107).

It is rapidly volatile at 100°C and therefore is volatile with steam (238).

Ephedrine is soluble in water, alcohol, ether, chloroform, and oils (239).

The solution in water is strongly alkaline to litmus paper. The hydrochloride,

C10H15ON*HCl, is in the form of white, prismatic needles of bitter taste,

mp 220-221°C; soluble in 2 parts of water and in 15 parts of alcohol (95°C).

The hydrobromide has mp 205°C. The hydrobromide and the hydrochloride,

unlike the corresponding pseudo-ephedrine salts, are very sparingly soluble

in chloroform (30). The hydriodide, from acetone, has mp 165°C (43). The

sulfate is in the form of hexagonal plates, mp 247°C, soluble in four parts

of water, sparingly soluble in alcohol.

Ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine are quite stable compounds. Heating at 100°C

for 24 hours causes no decomposition (42, 28). No alteration is observed by

heating the bases with 5% sodium hydroxide on the water bath (21).

Unsuccessful attempts were made to racemize ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine

with barium hydroxide or alcoholic potassium hydroxide (25). However, in

the patent literature statements have been made that the optically active

forms of the bases can be racemized by heating them with alkali

alcoholates, at temperatures ranging from 168-195°C, in the molten state,

or in a solvent (274, 275). Ephedrine solutions are unstable in sunlight in

the presence of oxygen (276).

On heating ephedrine hydrochloride with 5% hydrochloric acid, under

pressure, at 170-180°C (248) or with 25% acid, at 100°C, the compound is

partially converted to pseudo-ephedrine (20, 32, 40). The conversion is

reversible and an equilibrium is established. According to Emde (39), the

rearrangement takes place by replacement of the hydroxyl group by chlorine,

followed by hydrolysis. Oxidation of ephedrine or pseudo-ephedrine, gives

benzaldehyde or benzoic acid.

By the reduction of ephedrine or pseudo-ephedrine, the same deoxyephedrine

(methamphetamine, C10H15N), is obtained (29, 39). Hydrochloride has mp 172°C.

A peculiar property of ephedrine is its rather violent reaction with

chloroform; by evaporation of a solution of ephedrine in this solvent,

ephedrine hydrochloride and aldehydes are formed. Chloroform thus can not

be considered a suitable medium for the extraction and the estimation of

ephedrine (245, 246).

d-Ephedrine has not been found naturally. The synthetic base has mp 40-40.5°C;

the hydrochloride is in the form of white leaflets, mp 216-217°C.

dl-Ephedrine (racemic ephedrine), is the synthetic, inactive ephedrine of

commerce. The free base has mp 76-78°C; hydrochloride, mp 187-188°C.

References:

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20: Arch Pharm 244, 239 (1906)

21: Arch Pharm 246, 210 (1908)

25: Apoth Ztg 26, 368 (1911)

28: Apoth Ztg 28, 667 (1913)

29: Arch Pharm 251, 320 (1913)

30: Arch Pharm 252, 89 (1914)

32: Arch Pharm 244, 241 (1906)

39: Helv Chim Acta 12, 365 (1929)

40: Helv Chim Acta 12, 377 (1929)

42: Helv Chim Acta 12, 399 (1929)

43: Helv Chim Acta 13, 3 (1930)

107: Chinese Med J 51, 69 (1937)

236: J Am Pharm Assoc 24, 211 (1935)

237: J Am Med Assoc 104, 1707 (1935)

238: J Pharm Chim 28, 145 (1938)

239: J Am Pharm Assoc 30, 275 (1941)

245: Pharm J 123, 606 (1929)

246: Pharm J 153, 178 (1944)

248: Arch Pharm 242, 380 (1904)

274: US Pat 2,152,976 - Chem Abs 33, 998 (1939)

Ger Pat 673,486 - Chem Abs 33, 4274 (1939)

Brit Pat 490,979 - Chem Abs 33, 5003 (1939)

275: US Pat 2,214,034 - Chem Abs 35, 754 (1941)

276: Ind Eng Chem 23, 21 (1931)



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Physical Properties of Pseudoephedrine (d-Ephedrine)

Manske & Holmes, The Alkaloids, Vol III, p 347, Academic Press (1953)

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The base forms white rhombic crystals, mp 118°C (from water) and is much

less soluble in water than ephedrine. Hydrochloride, colorless needles,

mp 181-182°C, the salt is soluble in chloroform. Hydriodide, rhombic

crystals, mp 172°C (43).

l-pseudo-Ephedrine has not been found in nature. The base has mp 118-118.7°C.

The hydrochloride has mp 182-182.5°C. The l-pseudo-ephedrine-d-tartrate has

mp 178°C; l-pseudo-ephedrine-l-tartrate, mp 178.5°C (17, 68, 69, 70).

dl-pseudo-Ephedrine (racemic pseudo-ephedrine) melts at 118°C.

The hydrochloride has a mp of 164°C.

References:

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17: Ann 470, 157 (1929)

43: Helv Chem Acta 13, 3 (1930)

68: Monatsh 41, 319 (1920)

69: Ber 58, 197 (1925)

70: Ber 58, 1268 (1925)



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Synthesis of the Ephedra Bases

Manske & Holmes, The Alkaloids, Vol III, p 351-361, Academic Press (1953)

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The first attempts to synthesize ephedrine were by Fourneau (47, 48) in

1904, followed by Schmidt (19, 22, 24, 25) in 1905. Nagai (14) in 1911

achieved a synthesis of racemic ephedrine, but the fact has not been duly

credited in the literature. Eberhard (65, 66, 67) obtained racemic ephedrine

and pseudoephedrine in 1917 by hydrogenation of alpha-methylaminopropiophenone.

In 1920, Späth and Göhring (68, 69) synthesized ephedrine, pseudoephedrine,

their optical antipodes, and racemic compounds. Propionaldehyde was first

brominated and the monobromo-derivative reacted with methanol and hydrobromic

acid yielding 1,2-dibromo-1-methoxypropane, which in turn with phenylmagnesium-

bromide gave an addition product which after hydrolysis yielded 1-phenyl-

1-methoxy-2-bromopropane. This was converted by methylamine into 1-phenyl-

1-methoxy-2-methylaminopropane, which on hydrolysis with hydrobromic acid,

yielded 1-phenyl-1-hydroxy-2-methylaminopropane, i.e. racemic pseudoephedrine.

The racemic base was resolved, by crystallization of the tartrates, into

l- and d-pseudoephedrine. By isomerization of both forms, with hydrochloric

acid, l- and d-ephedrine were obtained.

Fourneau and Puyal (49) prepared methylstyrene by dehydration of phenylethyl-

carbinol. The corresponding bromohydrin was reacted with methylamine; several

isomeric ephedrines were obtained. The compound of mp 60°C was shown later

by Fourneau and Kanao (50) to be isoephedrine, corresponding to structure

1-(methylamino)-1-phenylpropan-2-ol of Emde (51).

In 1925 Späth and Koller described a new ephedrine synthesis. Alpha-Phenyl-

propylene was reacted with bromine to 1-phenyl-1,2-dibromopropane. One

bromine was then substituted by methoxyl, the other by NHCH3. On hydrolysis

with fuming hydrobromic acid, racemic pseudoephedrine was formed. (Compare

also Späth and Bretschneider, (261).

Kanao (71), in 1927, synthesized racemic ephedrine in excellent yields by

methylating phenylpropanolamine or by reducing alpha-methylaminopropiophenone.

The first compound had been prepared by condensation of benzaldehyde with

nitroethane followed by reduction. Two amines were obtained, which by

methylation gave racemic ephedrine and racemic pseudoephedrine respectively.

Nagai and Kanao (17) described the syntheses of the optically active

ephedrines and those of the nor- and N-methylephedrines and pseudoephedrines,

following this method of preparation. Later, in 1947, Hoover and Hass (270)

utilized the same reaction sequence to obtain the ephedrine bases.

The ephedrine synthesis described by Manske and Johnson (74) and by Skita

and Keil (77) in 1929 is founded on a different reaction. If a mixture of

alpha-phenylpropane-alpha,beta-dione and methylamine, in absolute alcohol

is hydrogenated catalytically in the presence of platinum oxide (Manske) or

colloidal platinum (Skita), dl-ephedrine, with a little dl-pseudoephedrine

is obtained. The reaction has been further elaborated by Coles, Manske, and

Johnson (76), by Skita, Keil and coworkers (78, 79, 262, 263) and by

Couturier (265). Manske and Johnson (75) synthesized some ephedrine homologs

and resolved racemic ephedrine by means of d- and l-mandelic acid. The pure

l form of this acid is prepared easily with the aid of natural ephedrine,

as confirmed by Jarowski and Hartung (268).

Freudenberg, Shoeffel, and Braun (59, 60), started from d(-) mandelic acid.

The amide, with methylmagnesium iodide, gives l-phenylacetylcarbinol,

which, by catalytic hydrogenation, in the presence of methylamine, yields

l- ephedrine. Bossert and Brode (264) synthesized l-ephedrine by reacting

1-phenyl-1-ethoxy-2-bromopropane with methylamine, followed by hydrolysis.

Sah (80) in 1938 reported a general method for the conversion of aminoacids

into alkaloids of the ephedrine type. Benzylchlorocarbonate was condensed

with alanine and the product transformed into the acid chloride. This

substance, with phenylmagnesiumbromide, yielded a compound, which on

catalytic hydrogenation with palladium and decomposition in toluene generated

carbon dioxide and a mixture of racemic norephedrine and nor-pseudoephedrine.

Stevens and coworker (266, 267) studied the reduction of alpha-bromopropio-

phenone with aluminum isopropylate. A bromohydrin was obtained, which with

methylamine gave a small yield of dl-pseudoephedrine.

Fourneau and Benoit (55) investigated the action of methylamine on several

forms of phenylpropylene oxide. A complicated mixture of ephedrines and

isoephedrines was obtained.

According to Akabori and Momotani (269), a mixture of an aromatic aldehyde

and an amino acid on heating yield alkamines. By means of this reaction,

ephedrine and norephedrine were synthesized.

A very ingenious direct synthesis of l-ephedrine, avoiding the laborious

resolution of the racemic mixture, has been devised by Hildebrandt and

Klavehn (271) and described by Hamlet (272). Neuberg and Hirsch (273) in

1921 demonstrated that when equal mole of acetaldehyde and benzaldehyde are

added to a carbohydrate solution actively fermenting by yeast, levorotatory

1-phenyl-2-ketopropan-1-ol, is formed. This compound on reaction with

methylamine and catalytic reduction yields l-ephedrine directly.

Racemic ephedrine can be separated by chromatography into the optically

active forms, according to Lecoq (226). Syntheses of homologs and isomers

of ephedrine have been described by Schmidt and Calliess (25), Hyde, Browning,

and Adams (281), Sanchez (282), Manske and Johnson (75), Fourneau and Barrelet

(53), Fourneau, Benoit and Firmenich (54), Fréon and Ser (283), Kanao (278),

Beals and Gilfillan (279), Wilson and Chang (280), Lozeron (284), Mannich

and Budde (285), and Lambillon (286). Skita, Ceil, and Meiner (79), prepared

the nucleus-hydrogenated optically active hexahydroephedrines, by resolution

of the racemic compounds with optically-active mandelic acids.

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References

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14: J Chem Soc Japan 32, 426 (1911)

17: Ann 470, 157 (1929)

19: Arch Pharm 243, 73 (1905)

22: Arch Pharm 247, 141 (1909)

24: Arch Pharm 249, 305 (1911)

25: Apoth Ztg 26, 368 (1911)

47: J Pharm Chim 20, 481 (1904)

48: J Pharm Chim 25, 593 (1907)

49: Anales Soc Esp Fis Quim 20, 394 (1922)

50: Bull Soc Chim 35, 614 (1924)

51: Anales Soc Esp Fis Quim 23, 450 (1925)

52: Bull Soc Chim 43, 1232 (1928)

53: Anales Soc Esp Fis Quim 27, 500 (1929)

Bull Soc Chim 47, 72 (1930)

54: Bull Soc Chim 47, 894 (1930)

55: Bull Soc Chim 12, 985 (1945)

59: J Am Chem Soc 54, 234 (1932)

60: Biochem Z 245, 238 (1932)

65: Arch Pharm 253, 62 (1915)

66: Arch Pharm 255, 140 (1917)

67: Arch Pharm 258, 97 (1920)

68: Monatsh 41, 319 (1920)

69: Ber 58, 197 (1925)

71: J Pharm Soc Japan 540, 102 (1927)

74: J Am Chem Soc 51, 580 (1929)

75: J Am Chem Soc 51, 1906 (1929)

76: J Am Chem Soc 51, 2269 (1929)

77: Ber 62, 1142 (1929)

78: Ber 66, 858 (1933)

79: Ber 66, 974 (1933)

80: Ber 71, 2300 (1938)

226: Bull Soc Roy Sci Liege 12, 316 (1943)

261: Ber 61, 327 (1928)

262: Ber 65, 424 (1932)

263: Ber 66, 1400 (1933)

264: J Am Chem Soc 56, 165 (1934)

265: Compt Rend 207, 345 (1938)

266: J Am Chem Soc 60, 3089 (1938)

267: J Am Chem Soc 62, 1424 (1940)

268: J Org Chem 8, 564 (1943)

269: J Chem Soc Japan 64, 608 (1943)

270: J Org Chem 12, 506 (1947)

271: US Pat 1,956,950 - Chem Abs 28, 4072 (1934)

Ger Pat 548,459 (1930) - Chem Abs 26, 3623 (1932)

272: Drug Trade News, 16(16), 27 (1941)

273: Biochem Z 115, 282 (1921)

278: J Pharm Soc Japan 50, 911 (1930)

279: J Am Pharm Assoc 25, 426 (1936)

280: J Am Chem Soc 62, 287 (1940)

281: J Am Chem Soc 50, 2287 (1928)

282: Bull Soc Chim [4] 45, 284 (1929)

283: Compt Rend 225, 1336 (1947)

285: Arch Pharm 271, 51 (1933)

286: Bull Soc Chim [5] 1, 1411 (1934)

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For some references and more information about extraction and synthesis of ephedrine take a look at the Chemical References.
 #5 
Old 2003-12-16, 16:13
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Mercy sakes kirby!!
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Old 2003-12-17, 00:48
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yeah i know mate,,

gives a headache aah,,,

especially as all i had to type was,,

pull the alkaloid with an alcohol..

multiple cleans

A/B it

and its ready to go
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Old 2003-12-17, 06:02
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If you are in USA you will find tightly constrained channels for ma huang

Be certain you get standardized as ma huang itself is only around 2% unless the effy is injected then you can get it from 5 to 15% and usually it is 8%

But, the govt has really cracked-down on the primary importers of this herb so you wont find it as easily as a few months ago and certainly noot a cheap

used to be a place in NJ (Importer) had it for 2 bills for 50kg drum but they are uptight and paranoid now thanks to dea

I hear it is even worse in aussie land as one bee I once knew of from another forum in another group got hit importing it and he used all sorts of countermeasures

aussie land cops must be real anal types.



But, if you do get it you wont enjoy the extraction hassles but it can be done

I would recommend steam distillation vs. any other for efficiency

but dont take my word for it

Hit up the info on the hive and see for yourself

ANyway, I would check off the ma huang route due to the fact it is slowly being outlawed in the USA and tight curbs/ reporting is being put on it all over if you order any decent quantity

You CAN make your own effy --or so I hear

hard to find the proper chem refs to back up the claims

otherwise, try thomas register for foodstuffs and hit on the correct nomenclature--co. in NJ--lots of weird stuff for sale in bulk

pineal gland extract anyone?

[This message has been edited by dan46 (edited 12-18-2003).]
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Old 2003-12-17, 06:20
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he is in india
 
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