been rsching for 3 months. tried method by wicked rain with no luck,though i am now qite proficient in the cleaning of my precursors. this says about gassing off. we tried gassing off as a friend showed us with Hcl. no snow but a cloudy white liquid is all we got. we were told we were mixing methods. dream. per suggestion i found acidmelts slacker reaction and readit. want to try to dream this this weekend. can drano crystals be substituted for the red devil lye. havent been able to locate that or liquid fire in the near to distant vicinity. saw a reference to tri sodium phosphate. how is that used does it need cleanup?? does the rp/i method need gassed off w/ hcl, or do we jsut evaporate off as in acidmelts method? we are getting ready to try again very soon, but is getting expensive. can anyone gie us a bit more direction. we will be startign with 500 pills, have clean rp & I . Again, we understand the cleanup of the precursors and i dont think this is the problem from what i have learned on here. my method is the problem. anyone, esp acidmelt, who knows them method plse give us a hing. i do nto and have not yet found a supplier for a sepatory funnel. is there a way around this??

not trying to piss anyone off by asking but would like a viable result this time. wicked rain - i assumed gassing off meant the way our friend showed us but she is used to annie and mixed me with my methods.

lways, kirby and the rest - your bantor is awesome. pp is a poopean - even i can pick that up in one reading.

ps. my boyfriendthinks i cant get this cause im a woman. buffalo princess what do u have to say to this huh??!?!?! thanx guyz

whoa slow down a bit,,

you tried a way descibed by wicked but no luck,,ok you made a mistake then,,wicked hasnt been wrong since i ive known him..

but the hard part is cleaning the precursors,,so its downhill from here..

you speak of gassing and how you did but it only went cloudy,,thats what it is spose to do,,then you filter it ,,and gas again,,filter it,,and about the 3rd time she really begins to drop out...

but if you did all that and it only went cloudy then yeah you did anally assault wickeds recipe didnt you

drano crystals

look on the package or container,,it should say ""sodium hydroxide 99%"",,doesnt matter what brand name you buy,,as long as its got that youll be right,,but drano crystals sound good to me..

you should know this stuff your asking..

i birch so this isnt my field,,so verify what i tell you

when you finish,,add 100ml of dnh2o

filter it to get all the redphos to use again,,and any other solid,,now add your sodium hydroxide to it ,,in pinches..

when you get to around ph13,,your meth will kick out,,you have polar solvent on the top which sucks it in,,gas the solvent and theres your meth..

i wonder why they dont just add the solvent,,filter that,,and then gas

its difficult to help with pills,,until you tell us what brand name they are and whats in them,,when you know that,,tell us

work around a separatory funnel,,there very handy,,but you can do with out one till you either invent one,,or buy one

i just got to the end of your post,,

your a young lady,,good to see you in here,,we dont get many females through,,keep trying babe,,youll get there

If you've never dreamt a successful rxn, how do you know that your ingredients are clean enough? Swim only asks this because swim used to think swim's dreams of cleaning were good enough, until swim watched(over time)a tiny pile of goodies turn into a much bigger pile, and swim learned to spend more time cleaning, and then some more. You really need to post exactly what you do, so that someone can help you figure out what's going wrong. Good luck.

sounds like its there, swims had this same dream, swim found it was ph on low side, added some and secound pull produced,,,, how ya checkin ph, visuals? what NP u usen.

and as kirb heard/says , gas for 20 secs then filter, regas,,, swim just learning this in last dreams, and corrects another - in the prosses. over gassin crystals swim heard.

RNX57

ps , gassin is quite easy, tricks keepin it dry, dry gas at the end. swim dream salt/ alum (bombs), and muratic, dryer along the way. gets hot but controlable with exsperence.as is pressure.

[This message has been edited by RNX57 (edited 12-13-2003).]

*taking a long look at squirrelyone*

uhhh, hmmm...Oh yeah, the uhh rxn, thingy...hahahahaha That gassing deal is a little tricky. But you're ok using it instead of titrating your np. It's an all round sort of thing. I'm just basicly gonna back these guys up on what they've said. Rainman is the MAN!! No doubt about that. Kirby is right about if you did it the way wicked wrote it...(exactly) you would have the infamous 2 hitter you gotta quit her sittin in front of you.

Hey don't be discouraged, I'll help ya if I can. Post the pills you used and how you cleaned them and I'm sure we'll be able to do a lot more for ya.

First go back and write down everything swim did from start to finish patience pays off. then write down swims method of choice i mean everything swil bets theres a problem. Awhile back when swil dreamed she too had countless BAD dreams that didn't turn out and it wasn't the cause of one problem but because of many. swigotta, switired, swilukky, wicked, and others helped sooooo much swim might go back 6 or 8 months and and search for post and read and reread maybe something will help.

mistress makes a good point that i raised earlier,,,

quite often when you are experimenting with how to do a new task,,or a new pill,,etc etc..

you try 15 methods before you finally strike it and it works,,

then you try to do it again and you root it,,,and you realize yourve forgotten what you did to make it work...

the way to fix this is certainly descriptive note taking of every step you do..

problem being..

search warrant..

if they find those notes,,

there going to use them to clean your arse for ben dover to use in anal state pen

quote:Originally posted by squirrelyone:

been rsching for 3 months. tried method by wicked rain with no luck,though i am now qite proficient in the cleaning of my precursors. this says about gassing off. we tried gassing off as a friend showed us with Hcl. no snow but a cloudy white liquid is all we got. we were told we were mixing methods. dream. per suggestion i found acidmelts slacker reaction and readit. want to try to dream this this weekend. can drano crystals be substituted for the red devil lye. havent been able to locate that or liquid fire in the near to distant vicinity. saw a reference to tri sodium phosphate. how is that used does it need cleanup?? does the rp/i method need gassed off w/ hcl, or do we jsut evaporate off as in acidmelts method? we are getting ready to try again very soon, but is getting expensive. can anyone gie us a bit more direction. we will be startign with 500 pills, have clean rp & I . Again, we understand the cleanup of the precursors and i dont think this is the problem from what i have learned on here. my method is the problem. anyone, esp acidmelt, who knows them method plse give us a hing. i do nto and have not yet found a supplier for a sepatory funnel. is there a way around this??

not trying to piss anyone off by asking but would like a viable result this time. wicked rain - i assumed gassing off meant the way our friend showed us but she is used to annie and mixed me with my methods.

lways, kirby and the rest - your bantor is awesome. pp is a poopean - even i can pick that up in one reading.

ps. my boyfriendthinks i cant get this cause im a woman. buffalo princess what do u have to say to this huh??!?!?! thanx guyz

the cloudy white liquid is your dope. or at least it should be dope. that cloudy white liquid shoud have been poured thru a funnel with a SINGLE coffee filter in it pre-wetted with whatever NP you are using. the liquid shoud run thru the filter and be clear again. the white shit stays in the filter. the liquid that has been filtered should be gassed again. move the funnel to another jar and pour some COLD DRY acetone thru the white shit in the filter/funnel. that will clean it up and rid it of any residual HCL. DO NOT forget to move the filter/funnel to another jar, DO NOT let the acetone get into the jar that you 1st filtered or you can forget gassing it again.let the filter dry and enjoy.

you dont need a sepratory funnel. i have found they look cool and all and they work good for checking PH but SWIM dont check ph he go`s by smell and sight. more often than not they clog with the lye. simply filter your rxn fluid into a quart mason jar. add your NP of choice. (xylene is SWIM`s fav as it makes for shiny pearlescent dope especially when washed with COLD DRY tone.) basify it with lye. some pour the lye in direct some mix it with DH2O 1st at a 50/50 mix. (if done this way ALWAYS pour the lye into the water in SMALL increments NEVER NEVER pour water onto lye. the exothermic rxn is violent and will cause burns and can cost you your site if it gets in your eyes. you should always wear chem goggles they are only 10 bucks or so. most dont wear em tho has been SWIM`s experience.) pour the lye/water mix into the jar with your rxn fluid/NP solvent in small increments dont just dump it in lol as the proper PH level is reached (12.8 is what chemists with proper shit shoot for 13 to 14 is what the ghetto chem master shoots for) when the ph gets above 12.8 you will see little clumps and sorta like bubbles but not bubbles rise to the surface of the NP along with a shimmery effect kinda like you see in the distance on a blacktop road on a very hot day. as you stir it gently notice the fishy smell. if in doubt get your NP solvent can and smell the clean solvent then smell your jar you will see what SWIM means. give it some time to transfer from the bottom layer to the NP. never rush things it only causes fuck ups.

drano as far as SWIM knows CANNOT be used. drano is not lye SWIM dont think. if it is lye its not 100% and/or has some other shit in it. get RD lye do what it takes to get it or to get pure lye. on the RD label it says 100% lye. hope this helps. as far as your boyfriend thinkin you cant get it cuz your a woman, he is full of shit. i dont see him gettin it either or else you wouldnt be here lol. peace out

thanx for all the responses!!! come to realize the "friend" that showed me how to gass off neglected to mention the remaining steps - mainly filter, do again and again. soo... i imagine i've dumped in the filed next door about a gallon of viable product. Anyone want to volunteer to come boot me in the ass! lmao! its a learning experience. going to try again soon and will let u know results.

wicked - found the rd, finally!!!! sorry, no disrespect to u or your method. just was frustrated and mad at getting no results. my own duh!!!

question though tried cleaning 114 30mg red ones. used 140ml isopropyl, 140ml v,m,p naptha, 4gm salt, 8 gm epsom salts. took 1/3 extraction fluid and boiled with pills (after useing dh20 to rinse off dye) added xylene, boiled again. but got zippo in the filter. i have a feeling i did not cook long enough and hot enough. last time cooked a bit longer and hotter.

thanx again guyz for all the replies!! really appreciate it. maybe my bf needs to get a life. i enjoy the hunt and learning as much as the end result. ttfn!

ok guyz - asking for your guidance. swim gonna try again soon. so let me know if these will work via wicked's cleaning method. so far all ive used have...

mini ephidrine 25mg x120

advil(ibuprofen 200mg) 30mg x 90

generic sinus 30mg x 180-

generic sinus (500 acetomiaphen 500mg) 30mg x 240

thanx again for your encouragement and replies. swim will stick with this. anybody who wants to chat my name is lace and hope to here from u regulars again. cool group u are.

if your talking wickeds tce and jap drier method

yeah itll work well

but till wicked corrects me

dont do the advin(ibuprofen)

ive got a vague memory that it still hasnt been mastered

quote:Originally posted by kirby:

if your talking wickeds tce and jap drier method

yeah itll work well

but till wicked corrects me

dont do the advin(ibuprofen)

ive got a vague memory that it still hasnt been mastered



hey kirby - thanx for the info. swim still so new here not sure what to use and isnt. just hanging out on here a while trying to do some more research. bf is sleepin so im just like i said hanging out. see u r on. by the way my name is lace. hopin for a good weekend dreamin away - u know. drop me a line. u have been a big help, as have the others. learned alot in a short time. hope im not too big a newbee bother, want to stay on u and wicked and the others good sides.

Hey girl

Sorry it took so long to reply swims been a little preoccupied.

It is good to see another women willing to get off her ass and learn to do instead of sitting on her ass and doing others. Swim is a birch girl hill billy method at that. As for the pills swim has to agree with Kirby. Swim has never used any with ibuprofen in them. Prefer the 30's or the 60's and have just as good results with generic as brand name. The least amount of extra ingredients the better. Have to agree with you the guys here are great. Now about that bf not a problem ignore him. As you are sitting there enjoying your good dream, just look at him and smile then hitter again.

Stay free & Stay high

Princess

dont use pills with ibuprofen or acitomeniphen in them. stay far away from these pills. buy white 60`s from wayy world or dollar general if you have one in your location.

thanx for the info. swim tried with some 30's w/ acetomiafen, as well as some other 30's w/out. swim seems to have something (crystals??) floating in a layer, but cannot get whatever it is free. for the 588 pills swim used 420mls isoalcohol, 420 vmp naptha,

10 gm salt, 24

gm epsom salt. heated, p

oured off fluid, added about 300ml xylenes and boiled. when filtered off had nothing. tried heating again, still nothing. letting it sit swim developed the floaties. any suggestions. is swim cleaning them right, or was it just the lousy 30's??

thanx wicked and everyoone for the continued help. going back to rhodium for addl info.

One more thing that swim fucked up at one time, cap your vessel containing your water,lye,NP layer, you will always leave a small amount of NP on the jug because you have to stay away from the lye, I didn't cover my vessel one time and was dropping dope in my water, and lye, the gas will find it beleive me.

quote:Originally posted by sam-63:

One more thing that swim fucked up at one time, cap your vessel containing your water,lye,NP layer, you will always leave a small amount of NP on the jug because you have to stay away from the lye, I didn't cover my vessel one time and was dropping dope in my water, and lye, the gas will find it beleive me.

lets make sure swim was shown the correct way of doing this. (the friend that showed swim mostly does annie and mixed a few things up on swim) I take the jar of water/lye,np & stick the hose down into the the jar just into the liquid. then add alum into hcl to fire it up in another jug. the gas then makes a cloudy white reaction in the jar. this i should do as wicked and others instructed above and filter and do again. is this the best way of gassing? or is it better to add the hcl directly to the jar???

swim was also just adding the lye straight, not miling w/ water. will try that next time

Although much of the advice in this thread is at least mostly true, it is way spread out. I saw a little good stuff here and then some over there and a bit down there. Its all ok, but if I was a newbee who was already confused, I'd probably be more so right about now.

If you don't mind, I'd like to go over this thread just a bit and try to give you gogo's philosophy on the subject.

Wicked describes what I believe to be a very sound, generally accepted group of techniques for processing starting materials that should give you adequately clean precursors to sucessfully perform the rippee (just a goofy way of saying rp/i). The most important thing to begin with is an understanding of each chemicals properties that you will be using (for all procedures from stripping the strikers to basing the goods). This way when you grab moms bottle of drano from underneath the sink and see all those blue specks and smell that (failed attempt at) spring fresh scent, you'll know its not what you'e looking for. I don't know if there are macufacturing CEO's out there that do dope or if its just a coincidence, but there are a few household products that have not changed one bit over the years that just seem like they were made for the clandestine chemist. One of them is red devil. High tech drain cleaners line the shelves of stores of all kinds, but there is only one red devil. At first stick to your basic list of chems. Find out where they are, buy them, get used to them, and don't substitute. If it was my list it would look like this:

100% pure acetone (US-hardware store)

Denatured alcohol (same place although I don't use it much anymore)

100% Isopropyl alcohol (superstores like wally, iso heet red bottle)

VM&P Naptha (one of those things that you must use to thin certain kinds of paint. Fortunately, those kinds of paintare very popular. Hardware and paint stores)

Xylene or toluene (perhaps a bit trickier, but gotta have it if you ever even want to think about doing aprofessional looking gel coat or epoxy paint job on your fiberglass speed boat. Xylene evaps slower and is the preferred choice)

3% hydrogen peroxide- What else can I say, just plain old H2O2, hydrogen peroxide from the drug store. While you're there pick up some epsom salt. Now, go home wash your mouth, mix up a nice tall glass of epsom salt and loosen up all that cheese you've been eating lately thats been stopping you up.

Of course, don't forget red devil lye. 100% sodium hydroxide. After you loosen that load, it will help clear those clogged sewer pipes, and keep them clear.

Pretty short list. Its all you need. (I don't have to mention the water, d-water, do I?)

Its entirely possible that I missed one, but I'm sure someone will remind me if I did. If you live in the US, they are available to you. You may have to do some thinking and work to find where they hide, but they are there.

Lets switch gears. You said something about the consistency (if thats the proper word) of the precipitate when gassing. Final product reacts a little differently giving bigger, "snowier flakes", but even the pseudo (or ephedrine) should precipitate out of the liquid instead of turning into a milky cloud. The difference is water. This method demands absolute dryness to perorm its job correctly. Thats why I don't do it. Titrating is easier to perform, although you do have to wait for the water to evaporate, and gives a cleaner initial product. The only thing gassing is good for is reducing time. I can't help you there because I am a firm believer in not rushing things. Not meaning to stereotype, but as a woman, careful planning and patience is in your blood. Use it. It will serve you well.

As far as those clean precursors you speak of, rp and iodine, you think its clean ok, no problem. The pseudo or ephedrine, well, I guess its possible. I thought the beautifully snow white, crunchy dry cone sitting in the filter was clean, clean, clean. After all, I had been practicing and learning for several months getting a little more proficient each time. Surely if it looked that clean, it was clean. Somebody hit this one way early on in this thread. If you've never worked with, or even seen pure pseudo, how can you know that what you are looking at is clean and relatively pure? You can't. Some of those inactives the trickers use look and act a whole lot like the pseudo. They do this on purpose to make you think you have everything you're going to get. Its just one of those things that is earned through experience. (What you wouldn't do for a video right now, huh?)

Oh, I just saw that it was kman posing the 100 dollar question. He also used a successful reaction as the determining factor to gauge cleanliness. Unfortunately, (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) the rp/i can be performed successfully even with some pretty dirty precursors. Just recently there was a guy who ran out of dope, crashed for a couple of days, and awoke to the horrible reality of life without dope. Dizzy, half blind, and completely unmotivated, he stripped some strips(let the stuff settle in the acetone and gave it a quick rinse afterward....done), squeezed a few bottles of 2% tincture (rinsing is too much trouble when you're dizzy and blind), and, remembering the science project growing in the jar of acetone in the freezer, tossed it all together, fired it up and went back to sleep. He woke up, did a very speedy extraction (cleaning? what do you mean cleaning?) and performed only one procedure with care. The next time he woke from his much needed sleep, he loaded up a bowl of instant energy that was just as good as any other he had ever made and better than some.

If you're willing to take your time and you have enough confidence not to need violent reactions to act as proof that your starting materials are of adequate quality, you can pull a rabbit out of a hat using the rippee mehod for turning sinus passage relief into time expanding, 60 hour day making, wonder medicine.

I'm sure I rambled far too much and probably did nothing more than further confuse you, but most of these guys here are my frinds and I didn't want to make them look bad. You understand, right? My fingers ar tired and I'm bored and want to go do something else. Rippee is all I know, so feel free to ask specific questions. I'll even try to answer them using les than a meg of disk space.............................you guys be quiet. It could happen.

Things I left out that I see differently or just left out that shocked me.

Never use pills containing any kind of pain reliever. Absolutely never ever. Don't ask why cause I don't know. They just won't separate and kill the reaction.

You don't need a sep funnel, but its damn good to have if you titrate. Damn good.

Women are better at this than men. They just don't know it because they believe us when we tell them they can't.

Never use sodium hydroxide crystals. Always make a 20% solution. Pour water right over the crystals. Won't hurt a thing as long as you don't get any on you.

Water doesn't like to let go of the meth so when you've based your post rxn goodies pour in a lot of plain salt. It will break the bond hydrogen has on your goodies and more will migrate into the NP.

Best pill is white 60 with chlor listing two inactives. No doubt, absolutely, none even close, guaranteed, etc. etc.

Oops, the little lady says come on.

gotta gotta go go.

Swim agrees with Gotta, but adds that he left out TCE and Japan Drier. TCE is brake parts cleaner, found in most auto parts stores, and contains ONLY tetrachlorethylene and carbon dioxide. Japan Drier is found in some hardware stores, and most paint stores. TCE is used for cleaning brake parts. Japan Drier is used for speeding the drying of oil-based paints, and maybe some other stuff. Some may not use the TCE/Japan Drier cleaning method, but swim has seen an amazing improvement in both quality and yield when swim dreams of cleaning with it.

maybe this will help on this part of it:

Xylene or toluene (perhaps a bit trickier, but gotta have it if you ever even want to think about doing aprofessional looking gel coat or epoxy paint job on your fiberglass speed boat. Xylene evaps slower and is the preferred choice)



If you have a Landreth Lumber or Lowes, it's almost a one stop shop for all those type chems.

Toluene

Acetone

VMP Naptha

Sulfuric acid

muratic acid

But I wouldn't whip the whole lab up on the counter at once.

good advice sam,,if you could drop the constant immaturity youd be a valuable member.

Ahhh! Dood I am what I am

Hey guyz and gals!! Swim is back at it again!! Thanx to everyones help straignening swim out on cleaning the psuedo. sweet!! however in cooking our chili and running the final reaction swim was a little short on the outcome. above ggg mentioned titrating - can one of u point swim in the direction for trying that instead of gassing. swim got a white cloud and filtered but the filters were way lacking in amount. swim put the lye in directly - is it better to add with H20?? also did not get a huge reaction but did get some of a reaction initially and a light honey liquid. started with 10 x 60' which thanx to y'all came out beautiful. swim was low on rp so mixed 4gm rp, 4gm E, 5.5gm i with about 4/5 ml dh2o. no reaction, so heated. balloon got somewhat stiff, when removed from heat in 30mins completely collapsed. then added colemans, lye (about 1tsp). full of crysatl like floaties that never had before. stirred with alum and let sit . siphoned off colemans, hit with gas and like swim said, white cloud, a bit in the filters but thats it. what swim got is nice, but from a start of of 4gm thought more than a pinch of pixie dust. sorry if talking too fast and unclear. like swim said the dust was good. have more goodies to play with, swim is cleaning. pointers are most appreciated. swim thinx all on here are great. thanx again to all (u know who u are) for the tons of help. getting closer to a big snowy white cream everyday.!!

4 grams of red,

mixes with,

12 grams of E

and,

12 grams of I