Referring to this article:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum26/HTML/003277.html

Perhaps there is a slightly more detailed Anhydrous Ammonia synthesis out there, that is still as simple.

I have read the anhydrous ammonia synthesis on Rhodium that seems much more difficult. But when referring to this socalled "Gas Can Annie," is there anyone here that can clarify all of this, to give some exact ratios, etc.

Thanks

thanks

very few of us on here make ammonia,,we either buy it or steal it,,

go to your totse search engine for forum posts and type in

anhydrous ammonia,,

flick through them and youll find a couple which tell you how,,

good luck

Its not that difficult to produce. Hell of alot easier than stealing. Mr. Clean's method on rhodium works well but can be simplified. The precooler and drier are not all that neccessary but may improve quality.

Never had much luck using a gas can for a gen. I prefer a 2liter coke bottle generator. Use an empty lye bottle for measurements. perfect ratio-add 3 lye bottles of ammonia nitrate then 1 bottle of lye and a few ml of water. i dont add any water, just rinse out bottle and sling out water leave it alittle damp.Produces around 4-6 oz of ammonia per 2L bottle generator with good system. When generator has stopped (about 45 min.)just unscrew and replace with new 2L. fittings seem to leak so just push the hose through a small hose in the cap. make sure its a tight fit, a leak is your worst nightmare. believe me.

Use 3/8' x 1/4' clear vinyl hose. longer the better. i use 60" in whole setup. This gives the gas longer to cool

moisture condenses in the hose before the dry ice condenser. Length of hose b/t gen. and condensor is setup similar to mr.cleans but without the precooler and drier. be sure the hose goes up then below the gen. then goes up above the condensor. hose makes a p-trap kinda thing. water collects at bottom and can be drained back into gen or when gen is removed.

i would use a very small diameter hose for a relief line instead of the duct tape over hole shit. no need to regulate the pressure. never had a suckback.

i found the perfect catch bottle at super wallys. go to the tupperware type section there is a 1$ 500ml sorta clear plastic square juice container witha white screw on lid and pop top. it has measurements on the sideof container. ok you have that now look for the grey sippie cup type lid that would screw on your bottle. its there findit. the grey lid (comes on more expensive container) has a rubber seal and the thing you drink from folds down to seal. this lid has 2 holes. one small one perfect for a relief line and the one under flip up straw that is perfect tight fit for 1/4' hose. ok ok this is the exciting part.. Swap the lids! get a rush every time. something about cheating wally out of the expensive lid. umm...

if you dont have fancy glass condensor or whatever mr clean uses, make one. use a 2liter, start at the bottom, take hose (leave a foot excess to go to catch) and wrap around 2or3Liter.from bottom, up. coils must be tight with absolutly no gaps between coils. this is most important part of system. you need atleast 8 coils (12 is good) that gradually spiral down no gaps no twists. smooth flowing. tape with duct tape. cut off excess top of bottle.put in ice chest with that foot of hose coming out a hole in the bottom and the long ass piece coming out hole in lid. fill chest with crushed dry ice. ice chest is set up with small ice chest below to hold catch. have about 4' of hose b/t catch and bottom of big ice chest to watch the juice drip down. looks like a chick pissing. 30lb of dry ice is perfect for my setup. not much ice is lost.

what else... uh, i usually do 1 gen bottle per 10g of pseudo. better to have more than you need. process is really easy and produces clean strong ammonia that i prefer to any tank juice.

Please dont be a fucking retard and start throwing lithium and ether into the 2 liter. i'd hate to see you on the news.

hope this helps

Thanks for that information KrackleBack. The only reason I was asking about an Anhydrous Ammonia generator, is simply for my own mind pleasure. I like to know if some of the 'recipes' are bunk or not. But that actually is quite interesting.

It certainly sounds much better than going out and ripping off a co-op, and risking getting busted by the Police/Gaurds/Dogs/Rednecks with Guns.

Thanks for the info.

yep no alarms no rednecks and no holding your breath while 1200 gallons of ammonia is trying to come out that valve you just fucked up.

good luck

Good post KrackleBack!.

or are you a diagram, drawing, or pictures ?

for the best considering .

Regards.

Sounds like ya got that process licked pretty good there KrackleBack, I had a hell of a time at first, there wasn't as much disscussion on this subject, And it was not as common just 6 or 8 months ago, I woulnd up using a bug sprayer for my generator and gas line bent with a pipe bender for my tubing, I could actually give the bug sprayer a couple of pumps and speed up the process, Speed the key word, (pun intended)

quote:Originally posted by KrackleBack:

yep no alarms no rednecks and no holding your breath while 1200 gallons of ammonia is trying to come out that valve you just fucked up.

good luck

Nice to know there are becoming more fellow birchers out there. Never tried to make the juice before, but know about getting it. Damn swim can't igamine holding her breath for that long. It is bad enough for just 5 to 10 gallons.(lol) You probably wont understand this but thank for knowing you can retrieve it through the valve.

Stay free & Stay high

Princess

1 part I don't get, you have to make a condenser on the generator for the reaction to work?

What other forms of Ammonia can be used to make ammonia gas?

We don't have ammonia nitrate in NZ.

Something about other forms of ammonia being available anyway and also that it needs to be stored in a dangerous goods shed. Concrete tank.

Urea is a common fertilizer here.

Ammoniam Sulphate.. Swim has only dreamed ammoniam nitrate with 17% ammoniacal nitrogen, also contains urea and nitrogen.

im sure there are many more ammonia based fertilizers that work but ammoniam nitrate or sulphate are suggested.

Aqueous ammonia can be used only by turning it into a salt, then boiling off the excess water.

quote:Originally posted by sam-63:

Sounds like ya got that process licked pretty good there KrackleBack, I had a hell of a time at first, there wasn't as much disscussion on this subject, And it was not as common just 6 or 8 months ago, I woulnd up using a bug sprayer for my generator and gas line bent with a pipe bender for my tubing, I could actually give the bug sprayer a couple of pumps and speed up the process, Speed the key word, (pun intended)



HA! Did the same shit a few times!

also cut off the hose and sprayer part, connected to catch for a relief valve. it was cool, it built pressure,then squeezed the handle and had one hell of a bug sprayer.

Tried a 5g kenwood water bottle for a generator. that bitch cracked and gas went EVERYWHERE! it went everywhere FAST and didnt want to stop going everywhere!

and the generator and condenser are very seperate 2liters.

NH3 gas can be made from anything containg ammonia, but the more the concentrate is, the easier it is, let alone to say how much it may take to obtain it from your source.

Sorry, I didn't read it to well. Thanks.

Smellatron.

Swim thinks that the condensor is only to scrub the water off the ammonia vapor that, has

come out of the air/from the bit of water used to start the reaction/that was in with the ammonia nitrate package/or lye package.



But its not needed for the reaction to work.

It just stuffs up what you want to do from there on.

That krackleback knows what hes on about.

Swim thinks that maybe more stainless should be used, as it would cool the gas quicker.

Swimill look round in a day or two for the types of ammonia solid and their % percentage.

uh..

the condenser is what CONDENSES the gas to a liquid. it doesnt scrub water or whatever. most(?) of the water condenses in the long tubing before the dryice condenser.

cant remember, swim thinks it must be -33deg to condense the amm. gas to a usable liquid. the reason for the coils is to hold the gas in the dry ice container long enough to cool it enough to condense.

SS may work better. swim doesnt know. his whole system is disposable and easily constructed when needed.

ddhix

Have some reading you may enjoy. If wanted get ahold of swim on the flip side.