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Laboratory Tips Safety proceedures, test reagents, drilling rubber stoppers, bending glass tubes, etc. Contributed to by chemists.

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 #1 
Old 2003-11-19, 17:26
wolffe69 wolffe69 is offline
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Here's the goal: Nice to smoke.

Here's the question: Is there a way to use simple room temperature, no heat whatsoever (Let's just say there's no electricity where my friend wants to try this) to do what needs to be done? Time is NOT a rush, but patience is the virtue here.

Assuming, of course, all precursors are clean, and ready to go, can a cold rxn happen? Thinking of either a lavalamp (If I can convince the other half that she doesn't need it, and it would make a keen gift) or else a Wine Bottle (flat bottomed of course, clean as well) and a baloon on the top.

Like I said, time's not of the essence. In other words, can my friend let it all sit in the dark in a storage hut outside for a week or so, and will everyone play nice?

Oh, and as for the post rxn workup, same thing. Start to finish, no heat. Is it possible? (He said he CAN use the freezer though, if need be for recrystal)

IF this can not be done, a simple no will do, lol. If it can be done, I'd like to hear from someone that has actually had a successful vision here.

HE'd appreciate it!!!
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Old 2003-11-19, 19:26
NeverSleepy NeverSleepy is offline
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Default Re: can it be done?

search in the camping isle for a fuel type heat source.
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Old 2003-11-19, 19:43
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Go over to rhodium's. There is a complete write up on this theoretical rxn. In theory it should work....I don't know personaly though.
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Old 2003-11-19, 23:51
NeverSleepy NeverSleepy is offline
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Whares this link?

Rhodium says it would take around 2years at room temp.

Fact: Molecules move much faster when heated.

Use heat
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Old 2003-11-20, 02:04
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http://www.rhodium.ws/crystalcreations/index2.html
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Old 2003-11-20, 14:54
wolffe69 wolffe69 is offline
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thanks for the link! Pictures say a thousand words! LOTS of info there and here as well... I agree, heat works, but I was just wondering a way for my friend to "fly under the radar" of his other half. They work the same hours, and are always together on the weekends.

Oh, you are also right. She doesn't approve, so......
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Old 2003-11-20, 20:44
madchemist madchemist is offline
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I also have to agree, USE HEAT!

Even over at The Hive when they talk about cold rxn's, they mean temp's of about 100C, as opposed to the normal 150C.

Are you doing a dry p/p, or a long wet reflux?
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Old 2003-11-24, 04:03
wolffe69 wolffe69 is offline
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Not settled on a method yet. Still reading. Untill I feel I have all the info I need, I'll not make an attempt.

Slowly (REAL slowly) gathering up what I need. I figure, at the rate of gathering materials vs. ready to begin, I'll have enough to keep me going till NEXT X-mas!lolol
 
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