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| Laboratory Tips Safety proceedures, test reagents, drilling rubber stoppers, bending glass tubes, etc. Contributed to by chemists. |
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# 1

2003-11-15, 23:50
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supply,nc.,USA
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I am an old new guy to this stuff and i just want to know if i am going to do it right
500 cold and allergy pills
5 lith.batteries
4 can starter fluid
table salt
liquid fire
1 quart annie ?
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# 2

2003-11-16, 00:15
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crank county
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I guess theres lotsa ways, I was told this:
3 Gallons of Anhydrous Ammonia
40 lithium batteries/pills
4 gal of starter fluid
5000 Ephedrine pills
2 liter GLASS bottle
long rubber hose
bottle of sufuric acid
5 gallon bucket
ball of alluminum foil
I heard this was posted on the website though, not sure if that actually works, I'm guessing I'll get yellow oil based meth outa it.
wait till kirby comes to straighten our asses out:P
[This message has been edited by welcum2crankcounty (edited 11-16-2003).]
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# 3

2003-11-16, 03:07
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California
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STOP!! wait for kirby to give you some advice...this is his specialty. Unfortunately, I know mostly about the other method....rp i e.
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# 4

2003-11-16, 03:59
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down there
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foilman
you have a basic kit written up
got to
www.rhodium.ws/
and youll find better in the birch articles..
read them and get back to us with any questions...............
welcum
yours is a better list,,but still far short of everything you need
do the same,,go to rhodium and read there recipes
then get back to us
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# 5

2003-11-16, 18:17
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supply,nc.,USA
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thanks kirby I can tell you are going to be my biggest help on this adventure pleaes excuse me if i sound a little brain dead sometimes I just want to make sure I do it right I dont like expolsions if you know what I mean.
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# 6

2003-11-16, 19:04
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down there
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yes we all hate expolsions
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# 7

2003-11-16, 19:07
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down there
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whats an expolsion
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# 8

2003-11-17, 19:28
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Sector 6 Cloud 9
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foilman
i agree with kirby you are on the right track.
as for welcum man you have some serious studying to do. #1 where did you come up with the alum and sulf partnership(excellent reaction results i bet). i am far from a master but i do know sulf+sal, and mur+alum. also good luck in gathering your supplies you may want to add a cattle trough to you list you will need it(plastic not metal)
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# 9

2003-11-17, 20:24
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hell
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Yes I have to agree with everyone else when they say to KEEP STUDYING the birch method before you attempt it. SWIM hasn't ever done a birch reduction of any type and probably won't ever unless SWIM had to, and reduction of a benzylic alcohol like pfed isn't a good enough reason. SWIM would not risk getting the anhydrous NH3 from anywhere, and would make it himself, which is too much of a pain in the ass for something like reduction pfed that can be done so many other easy ass ways. SWIM would rather fork up the dough for some Pd/C and materials to build a hydrogenation apparatus for pfed than attempt a birch.
But setting my personal opinions aside, I just wanted to back up everyone when they said to study. NH3 is very very dangerous if handled improperly. SWIM has seen too many newbees just come up and ask about some "nazi method" or whatever, without really knowing the full risk involved. More than half of those newbees you'll never hear from again, and I can garuntee it isn't becuase they're computer went down or something.
Remember be safe! Last thing we need in this world is a bunch of anhydrous ammonia weilding idiots! A straight up newbee asking about this method is like a bunch of red-knecks trying to make some shit "rotten egg style" and gassing a neighborhood with H2S or something.
[This message has been edited by madchemist (edited 11-17-2003).]
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# 10

2003-11-19, 02:51
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supply,nc.,USA
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I agree that i still have some things to learn, but the guy I got my recipe ideas from uses annie all the time, and has ample supply so for as far as getting the ingr. thats no problem i wouldn't need help with this,but the same guy is to afraid to show me the whole prosse becuse of compation, small town to many cooks,but he has me from time to time get all his ingr., all but the annie which he gets himself, but I'm tired of working for a little when I know how much there is to be made.So I know how dangerous the annie is,that being said could some one pleases tell me in plain words how to put it to gether and let me worry about the danger if it works I will be glad to share that with every one. I am very fond of my life and will be vary carefull.
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#11
 2003-11-19, 03:03
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foilman 
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Re: nazi meth recipe
kirby any help with this would be appr.
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#12
 2003-11-19, 05:37
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kirby 
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Re: nazi meth recipe
ok foilman
ive done this a long time and never had a problem
every time i played i was switched on
straight
and focussed
you be anything else and your going to have ammonia burns that will scar you for life..
what do you want to know???
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#13
 2003-11-19, 05:44
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kirby 
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Re: nazi meth recipe
swim sees no reason to explain how swim clean the pills as swim finds that each pill requires its own cleaning regime,,swim will start with his pre-reduction preparations...
for the reduction swim uses a heavy walled 4 litre beer brewing bottle purchased from a home beer brewing shop..
in this goes a rubber stopper,,3 holes,,one for squirting in the eph through an 8mm dia hose that goes into the bottle by 120mm,,so the eph doesnt splatter onto the walls eg; no wastage..
middle hole has 30feet of 8mm dia clear plastic hose which goes to the second story roof as such venting ammonia gas high..
3rd hole has an 5mm dia spring in it,,and the stirring rod...
bottle has 4 large marbles in it to help with the stirring and helps stop bumping..
sodium metal is cut into match stick size pieces and placed into a bowl of hexane, then placed next to overhead stirrer..
quenching dnh2o, 100ml per oz, is in squeezee bottle next to overhead stirrer..
1 litre of hexane in squeezee bottle is placed next to O/H stirrer,,for cleaning insides of bottle in case eph splashes onto bottle wall,and for putting another 50ml into eph squeezee bottle to get that last bit of eph..
eph is in squeezee bottle with 180ml of hexane per oz(hexane is used in the A/B and then ALL water is separated, then eph and hexane poured into squeezee bottle), squeezee bottle is then placed next to O/H stirrer
on multiple cooks,where more than one reduction is occuring(often up to 6 beer brewing bottles are used,swim doesnt like doing more than 200grams per bottle)tubs of luke warm water and rubber stoppers with hose to roof are set up in secure location away from O/H stirrer(when reduction finished swim takes bottle to tub and restoppers it and then goes onto next bottle)
ammonia bottle has 3 foot of hose attached to outlet valve,,and ammonia bottle is upside down approx 2 feet off ground..
bottle placed on ground and ammonia hose placed in..
valve is turned partially on so a quick dribble goes into the bottle(bottle is marked on outside in 100ml increments going up to 2.5litres)(for a 200gram cook swim uses about 1.5 litres,,for a 2oz cook swim use 600 to 700ml)when ammonia reaches 1.5litre mark ammonia turned off..
bottle taken and placed under O/H stirrer and sodium metal is dropped in, in one gram increments(approx 30 grams placed in)rubber stopper is now placed in and bottle is given 5 mins to ice up and for the sodium to dissolve..
stirring rod going through rubber stopper is connected to O/H stirrer and turned on to low speed..
eph is squirted in with hexane in small increments(this can take 15 to 25 mins)50ml more hexane is poured into eph squeezee bottle and squeezee bottle shaken to get all eph, this is squirted in,if eph on bottle walls,another 50ml goes into squeezee bottle and walls squirted down..
eph entry hose through rubber stopper is now closed with artery forceps clamping over the hose..
O/H stirrer is now put on high speed and left running for 20mins exactly..(if during that 20mins no blue is visible,2grams of sodium is placed in, and is repeated as needed)
after 20min, O/H stirrer is turned off and bottle rubber stopper is removed..
dnh2o is squirted in to quench and dissolve unwanted crap...
bottle is moved to warm water tub and connected to another hose leading to roof, water temp is raised slowly to hot untill all ammonia is evaporated..
contents of bottle is poured through light filter leaving water and hexane in separatory funnel, water is separated and discarded..
bottle is washed with 50ml of hexane and poured through filter..
another 100ml of hexane is poured through filter catching that last bit of meth..
hexane is then poured through funnel with drying agent..
gas generator is set up,,swim uses sulphuric acid dripping into hydrochloric acid to make the gas..
hexane is gassed for 20seconds ONLY
then filtered..
then regassed filtering each time(it may take 5 gassings before no more meth prcipitates out)..
what is in filter is dried,washed in dnh2o,dried and then 150ml of new hexane is added to it, this is then gassed and collected in filter..
all meth is collected and recrystalized using methanol(the slow way,3 hours allowing methanol to cool to room temp,5 hours in fridge,,then 6 hours in freezer)..
swim thinks thats all,,if swim remembers anything else swim will post it,,
swim hopes this is of some use...
good luck
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#14
 2003-11-19, 05:57
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squirrelyone 
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Re: nazi meth recipe
quote:Originally posted by LwaysTired:
STOP!! wait for kirby to give you some advice...this is his specialty. Unfortunately, I know mostly about the other method....rp i e.
Can u share what u know re the rp i e method? i have tried a cold method given by Joker 187 with no luck. followed to the t w/ no results. i an new to making this stew myself, but would appreciate proportions and any advice a more experienced cook will share. thks!!
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#15
 2003-11-19, 06:58
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Re: nazi meth recipe
quote:Originally posted by squirrelyone:
Can u share what u know re the rp i e method? i have tried a cold method given by Joker 187 with no luck. followed to the t w/ no results. i an new to making this stew myself, but would appreciate proportions and any advice a more experienced cook will share. thks!!
Yes, I'd be happy to. But that would take a while to type so go to where it says search...click the box that says search by user's name or whatever.....and type mine in there. It'll give you a pretty good starting point, if that's the route you should want to take. Unless you have a more specific question 
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#16
 2003-11-20, 06:33
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squirrelyone 
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Re: nazi meth recipe
Hey - Thanks for the reply!!! will check out as u suggested and get back to u w/ more specific inquiries. not looking to make a lot of chiili, just enough for home consumption. again, really appreciate the help!
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