swim, has everything in place, he is gonna try the rxn posted by madchemist"tips" however the post is not real clear as to what amounts of chems should be so i was wanting someone to help, swim has 3.1 grams of pesudo ready and plenty of the other stuff,could some one help me out with how to figure the other two using this amount of ephed for his first nano? also the amount of water too?

3.1 psuedo/3.1 RP/3.8 I2/2ml DH2O/190 F. 4 to 6 hours/post rxn workup.

this should be a good test run to see if you got your skills in order. good luck let us know how it go`s

Thanks wicked, im on it, thats what i needed, now we can see how those 120s will turn out.

Wicked im hopein youll get this in time, but i had one more question concerning your formula, it may be too late by the time you read this, or hopefully for me it wont matter

Should swim put the vessel on the heat right after mixing the chems or should the reaction calm down on its own first?

keep the vessel in your hands untill the initial rxn calms. with this size rxn it wont be a worry, it should be calm in 10 minutes or so. as a rule tho keep the vessel in your hands and swirl the contents when you see whiteish smoke. after it calms then put it on the heat.

MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.....

*checks watch* Where are you green?? You better not have blown yourself up!!

quote:Originally posted by LwaysTired:

*checks watch* Where are you green?? You better not have blown yourself up!!

LOL!!! less than 5 hours have gone by tired, patience grasshopper

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hey fellas,everything is cool, i wish i had results to report but swim had a couple gliches in his dream. Right after i posted that last question for wicked and got my answer, swim had some unexpected company show up so swim had to abort. Which i must say im glad i decided after posting that last post that i would wait awhile to see if wicked answerd right away or else swim would have been right in the middle of his adventure when his company decided to "grace" him with thier presence....Whew!!(wiping his forhead off)wrong kinda people to have to explain that too!! SO it gets better swims company took off about an hour ago,swim was weighin out his chems and noticed "filter Fuzzies" in his RP so swim is now waiting on his acid bath to do its job(swim tried to skip this step after collecting his RP) he knows..... he knows.... go ahead and smack him, anyways sorry for the bad report but swim is "bound and determined" to get this right, swim hasnt used a acid bath yet so he dosent know how long its gonna take(its been about 25 minutes now)>>>How long should it take? swim really cant see the fuzzies now that the RP is wet again.hes only got 6 grams in there,How long is safe to assume all the paper is gone?? One more question, would obtaining filter paper from the chemistry place omit this coffee filter fuzzie problem in the future?

Damn I hate company!! Switrd usually LIGHTLY boils his acid an rp...for about 30 to 45 minutes. This is potentially dangerous!! Constant supervision is a must! Do it out back or somethin too. Switrd reccomends just let it soak a couple 2 or 3 hours, that should be enough....f they're just fuzzy. That acid is some nasty shit. This is how Swirtd does it....there are different ways of doing it.....you know mission position, doggy style, 69. Oh wait, never mind.



hhaaahahahha

Bill laughin so hard, he can't breathe!!Ahahahahaa! Missionary, 69er, doggy! Tired, you need to get a job in stand-up comedy, dude, wastin good talent!!!

ok, finally swim thinks everything is good to go. he just let it sit there in the acid bath for about six hours with no boiling,its now dried back out and no paper fuzzies are present, so .....now the waiting game....(humming the jepordy tune)swim has a 6 year old little boy, bed time is a 9:00pm so its 5:00 here now.....T-minus 4 hours and counting!

Swim is confused? he mixed it all together, it started, he placed his balloon, put it on the heat,it got real cloudy inside,white smoke,tendrels of hi gas, his balloon got semi erect(just enough to stand up on its own) and then......after 15 minutes on heat it Quit!! the flask is now clear,condensation is running back down the sides, is this normal?? what did swim do wrong this time?? WHERE IS THE KABOOM? THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EARTH SHATTERING KABOOM!! please tell swim this is normal.

green, settle down bro....I think you're ok. That sounds about right. What temp do you have it at? Describe what the contents of your vessel looks like? What's it doing, exactly...colors, smell....tell me everything



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ok its clear now i mean swim can see inside except for condensation, the temp is 190f the contents are a dark muddy redish kind of color,its doing absolutely nothing but sitting there with no bubbles or anything and swim cant smell anything cause its all inclosed

and his balloon is now laying over like a limp noodle

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It's only been on for 15 minutes?

Have you swirled the flask at all, if not, you should. But gently, see if you can get it fired up again. How much fluid did ya say was in there?

2 mls of dh2o

I take that back Lways it smells like a nasty gigantic rotten egg

That smell is a good sign. You never answered about the time it's been on... Only fifteen minutes?

If that's all, you've got a ways to go. You doing it quick and hot or long and wet? (sounds like a long one) Watch it closely and note any changes. Let it ride...

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its been on a total of 38 minutes now and is now also completely dry inside

Don't be such a worry wart...it should look like thick dark red mud barely bubbling.

well wickeds instructions had said 5 to 6 hrs so swim will just let it go and see what happens

OH HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY swim added 2 more mls of water,swirled put it back on and now there is movement again the balloon has also stood back up

ok so it passed almost the 3 hour mark and stopped again so swim made a decision to pull it off, he flooded his flask, the rp dropped out fast, so he filterd out the rp and now has a lightly pale yellow fluid, here is where he is kind of stuck as where to go from here?

this is gonna be the stupidest question swim has ever asked, but he swears to me that he has quite possibly read every post reaction workup on the internet and none of them he has read has answered this question so for swim and "the good of the show" ill ask for him. Upon adding his acid/water mixture to his np and shaking the "living piss" out of it,does the meth stay in the np to be evaporated or does it move to the acid/water layer to be evaporated? Swims totally prepared to get flammed over this but i dont care,its swim that is the moron!

.....Swid'd says to evaporate the acid/water.

Sid'd says you should always, as a percaution, keep the np, the honey, etc. until you have exactly what you want. In other words he says to evaporate the acid/water, but hold on to the np just in case.

ok ignore swims last few posts, he has been semi victorous,swim is finished,it burns clean and it comes back beautiful, three hits got swim wanting to run around the block about 50 times,swim is as happy as a puppy with two peters.BUT...... one more little thing, its white? just plain white and it taste a little strange?? wheres the crystals?? swim knows its not pesudo cause it didnt burn up and he is high as hell! but he wants the glass... he wants the glimmer....he wants the shine......he wants to show everyone!! but he cant cause it still aint perfect!

Hey Green, Ive been monotering your progress and I just wanted to say Congrats! NICE WORK!

2 points, first you might want to reconsider "showing everbody" best bet is to not let anyone know that you know how to do this, remember....if they dont know they cant bust you! SWIB doesnt even let his wife know he can do this, she doesn't have a clue and SWIB is gonna keep it that way

Next, in order to get your pretty crystals you have to recrystalize. The process will remove more impurities and give you some nice big crystals

Keep up the good work Green!

Crusher is right, Greenhorn! Keep a lid on it

HA HA HA swim says this beautiful sunday morning, after reading a few documents at the hive from worlock,geez and chicken,swim says lets open the freezer and look, CRYSTALS IN SWIMS IPA!!! Swim is running swim is jumping swim is doin cart wheels swim ran jumped on the bannister, slid all the way down, racked himself, jumped up looked me right in the face and said"didnt hurt" i says to swim: swim lets frame this first batch so you can look at them forever and you know what that swim said to me" Fuck you lets just smoke them!!" Id like to thank all of you that have helped swim all the way through this, full of trials and tribulations,its been a tough road to get here but swim says it was well worth it.

swims yelling "A round of mini-thins for everyone!!" Its Chili time whose bringin the crackers!!

All of you are invited to watch the game today and watch swims KC CHIEFS continue to romp the living shit out of the rest of the free world. Swim says thanks to all of you once again.

" Condemnation before investigation is the hieght of all ignorance" ----Greenhorn

GREEN!!! YOU DID IT!!! WhaaaaHooooo!! I'm sorry bout last night, Switrd passed out and I couldn't wake his ass up. I'm glad that you used what you already knew, to find out what you didn't. It's better that way. You knew what you had to do all along...I know that. You found yourself in a pickle and you got yourself out. That is a good feeling, isn't it? Now...enjoy that pot of crystal at the end of the rainbow. It's probably harder to keep all that you know to yourself, than it is to actually do it. So you have to keep it quiet my friend...for you, and your families own good. Congratulations!!



........no need to shine my shoes anymore

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Lways, swim says thankyou and may your shoes keep an everlasting shine cause he says"Uncle-fester aint got nothin on him LOL!!"

Here is swims yeild and results from swims first complete rxn,as the first one swim tried where he posted that his vessel busted in the ice bath was the "making speed" rxn from the front page of this forum and probably wouldnt have worked anyways!

swims 3.1 pesudo

3.1 rp

3.8 I2

swim only got back 1.2 gr. he realizes this is less than 50% and not all that good,but he is none the less still pleased for his first run.

It took four hits to get swim goin good,the high is semi euphoric and swim dosent feel like eating anything,he feels more like concentrating on something.

It burns very clean and comes back nicely in a pipe, so this tells swim that the method from wicked to clean the pesudo worked nicely

It is by far not the best swim has ever had and does not even come close to the stuff he used to get from his "ol man" but swim says thats ok, he'll so better next time. so there you have it! a full account from start to finish of swims first dream.

"Condemnation before investigation is the height of all ignorance" ---Greenhorn

Hey Greenhorn, how about posting a breakdown of you A/B procedures....thanks

Darksky, there is a very descripptive archive at rhodium from geez for the hi post reaction workup here is the link,this should answer all your questions as this is exactly what swim did http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/meth.workup.html

Thanks for the link Greenhorn, its just what I was looking for!

Congrats. SWIM wishes the thread wasn't so damn long so he could take the time to read it and help more (attention span not huge right now).

For nano batches, like your ~3g pfed, I always use at least 3/4 that weight in rp (so thats at least 2 1/4g of rp).

Now as far as I2 goes assuming it's completely dry and lab grade, use AT LEAST 1.5X the weight of pfed, SWIM often uses double, so thats 6g of I2 for you buddy.

The reason why so much I2 is because if the 2 1/4g rp is clean enough, then it is plenty to accomodate that amount of iodine. Iodine is where your HI comes from (the rp just helps make the HI), and you need several times molar excess of HI in order to get a complete reduction.

Do not SKIMP on the I2, more I2 means longer reaction times, but higher conversion.

If you are making your I2, then if your goal is a quick 1-2 hour dry run (for that 3g pfed) and you want complete conversion, then make damn sure that I2 is as dry as can be. You'd be surprised how much water a little bit of soggy I2 can provide.

However, you can do what SWIM does if your gonna do a long reflux. Dry the I2 enough to where it is like play-dough, and use it in the rxn, still adding as much water as you would as if it were going to be a dry run. That water plus whatever the I2 carries will be sufficient. 12 hours later you'll have higher than 90-95% conversion rate (thats conversion rate, not yeild). The best shit SWIM has ever had comes from the long reflux like this, m.p. so close to 172C you'd shit your pants.

thanks mad, if swim understands correctly the lack of I2 probably is what caused his reaction to keep stopping, is this correct?

quote:Originally posted by greenhorn164:

thanks mad, if swim understands correctly the lack of I2 probably is what caused his reaction to keep stopping, is this correct?

SWIM thinks its not so much a lack of I2 since SWIM has been using these ratios for a longgggg time with a little tweaking of them here and there to suit each reaction, its reagents and environment. SWIM thinks it needed more heat perhaps at least thats what he sees when he has a swollen balloon and SWIM lowers temp a bit the balloon directly reacts in size to the amount temp is lowered. SWIM has NEVER used more than 1.2G I2 but then SWIM`s I2 is bone fuckin dry. I2 coulda been wet/damp its not so easy to maintain bone dry I2 or to even get it bone dry in the 1st place. I2 could have been not clean enuff. heres what SWIM does to get it to that final point of real dryness and how to keep it dry. SWIM takes a container (jar wrapped/blacked out from light, yogurt container with snap on lid, cottage cheese container etc.) pour in your supposed dry I2, make some sort of barrier that will float on top of the I2. another exact container works great but on second container cut off the top half. example:

1 yogurt container (8 ounces) second exact yogurt container with the top half cut off and discarded. in the half container poke many tiny pinholes in the bottom and sides of it. slide it into the 1st container on top of your I2 so now you have 1 8 oz yogurt container, I2 crystals, second container cut in half with teeny pinholes all in it setting on top of I2. now take a paper towell and push it tightly into the container in a container so to speak, then take 2 coffee filters and put in two tablespoons of damprid wrap up the filters and twist it shut with the damprid inside and put a small ziptie on around the tail and cut off the ziptie excess and the paper excess an inch or so above the ziptie. should look kinda like a coffee filter comet lol. drop it into the container. fill any excess space in container with paper towell or coffee filter so that even should the container turn over theres really no space left for contents to shift put the lid on, wrap the area where the lid meets the container with electrical tape stretching tape tight as you go around it. drop the sealed container into a heavy quart size ziploc bag (not a thin sandwich bag) and make another coffee filter/damprid comet thing drop it in the bag seal the ziploc and voila I2 that will be dry as the sahara since the damprid will abosrd the moisture from the I2. basicilly a ghetto home made desicator. this set up will stay dry in a fuckin monsoon. SWIM knows this to be fact. you can buy small dessicator packages instead but there water absorbtion capacity will be limited, they cost more and the damprid/coffee filter things will absorb and hold over two ounces of water wayy more than needed and when your done with em you throw em away and make new ones. hell anybody can go buy shit in town but SWIM lives almost 75 miles from town one way. SWIM makes everything himself. call it ghetto maybe it is maybe not but SWIM cant jump in his 1 ton crew cab dually and make a 150 mile round trip to town every time he needs a simple thing that can be made at home that works better than anything he can buy in town anyways. neccesity is the mother of all invention.

maybee thats part of the problem too, swim has a hell of a time storing his I2, hes wrapped it,squashed it, smashed it, drove back and forth over it and it still manages to "bleed" through every damn filter,paper towel and swim knows hes loosing some everytime it sits a little longer, thinking maybee this is it> swim took out is I2 weighed it(his 3.8)wrapped it,put it in a different jar and then didnt end up using it for 45 minutes or so while he was preparing everything else, when he went to take it out it had bled through every damn wrapper again,swim should have re-weighed at that time but he just dumped it in not thinking about his loss in the paper, Do you think that might have been an issue also Wicked?

Thats ok wicked,swim says it was not bar far the best he has ever had but it still turned out ok, the "return" he says absolutely "blows donkey weiner" but the high he says isnt too bad and for swims first run he says that will do just fine untill the next time!

Swim says he misses the p2p dope the boys used to bring once in a while when they came in from Cali. to see his "ol man"

Swims gonna give himself a "hard on" just thinking about it.

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SWIM thinks it could have really been anything that was causing your reaction to stall. I really couldn't tell you unless I was there looking at it.

However, I'm telling you add more I2.

Wicked:

SWIM knows you may have been using that ratio of iodine, and your shit may be very good, but you'd actually be surprised how much better it can get if you make sure reduction goes to comepletion (i.e. enough I2). Even product containing as much as 20% iodoephedrine is still considered good by most people. However if you trust me on this, you'll be able to look at your finest product your producing right now and think of it as a total failure in the future. I'm telling you really pure shit is way different than most shit becuase there is next to none (if not then none at all) ephedrine left, and you'll look back at your earlier shit and just be like "That shit was crap!" while the fiends who don't know any better consider what you'll come to call crap, gold.

Also on a side note, SWIM is sick and tired of HI/P reductions. If we could all aquire rp or hypo legally and easily, it may not be too much of a porblem, but SWIM has done his last HI/P reduction of pfed the other night. SWIM is tired of scraping matches, tired of buying overpriced and suspicious boxes of pfed, and so on.

Basically I'm trying to say to look out for some phenylacetone write-ups very soon.

The routes SWIM is eyeing mostly stem from benzaldehyde cause it's easy to make from toluene (which costs no more than ten bucks for a few kilos worth). SWIM is looking at playing with the Akabori process to afford PPA (Akabori process is condensation of benzaldehyde with alanine to form a phenylserine, which is decarboxylated with heat to afford PPA, still kinda experimental, and low yeilding, but easy as hell to get PPA), from which he'll react with AlCl3 and H2SO4 solution to yeild phenylacetone (not to mention play around with some aminorex synths). The main thing SWIM wants to fuck with is condensation of benzaldehyde with methyl ethyl ketone (MEK, common solvent at hardware store, as cheap as toluene) to give 2-acetylpropenylbenzene, which will be ran through neither peracid oxidation (similar to the one performed on isosafrole for MDP2P), or one with oxone to afford a P2P enol, which will be reacted with lye and water giving phenylacetone. Oh yeah, and probably making hypochlorous acid from H2SO4 and bleach, and oxidising some phenylalanine to phenylacetaldehyde, from which phenylacetic acid will be made (which of course will be reacted with lead acetate to give phenylacetone). Damn, SWIM really has his work cut out for him, and does have limited time, so don't expect a write-up on any of the above methods REAL soon. All of the above if so OTC and cheap, everyone will soon wonder what the fuck was all the rage about pfed reductions.

Sorry to talk to much, it's the amphetamines.

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quote:Originally posted by madchemist:

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Sorry to talk to much, it's the amphetamines.

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no way you can talk to much MC, when you talk SWIM listens, pays attention, and takes notes. so you think i should try a ratio of 1 E/2 I2/1 RP/0.7 ml DH2O? please advise SWIM on this and he will put together a nano of 7 to 10 grams and check it out. it makes sense to SWIM cuz not havin enough I2 will certainly not reduce completly but on the other hand if there was 5 times to much I2 (for example) the reduction will be complete and the excess can be simply boiled off when the flask is uncapped. am i correct in assuming this? thanks for your time and advice SWIM been doin this long time but figures theres always room for improvment.

This is supposed to be a very good way to produce quality crystal meth aka ICE the real stuff not the trash. Question to anyone that can help. The "Liquid Blueing" & Charcoal Crystal growing method. There is supposed to be a new way to actually grow meth any possitive answers on how to do this. It's supposed to really work. Any other real good quality meth recipes or how to manufactor would be appreciated. For everyone to know whats really in that stuff.

quote:Originally posted by casper the wizzard:

This is supposed to be a very good way to produce quality crystal meth aka ICE the real stuff not the trash. Question to anyone that can help. The "Liquid Blueing" & Charcoal Crystal growing method. There is supposed to be a new way to actually grow meth any possitive answers on how to do this. It's supposed to really work. Any other real good quality meth recipes or how to manufactor would be appreciated. For everyone to know whats really in that stuff.

its not new and IT DOES NOT WORK, PERIOD. save yourself some time and some embarrasment. anyone tells you it works then make a mental note that they are full of shit and know nothing about shit.