Can anyone tell me the basic legality sorrounding RP and HI purchasing in Canada??

I live in Canada and want to purchase 50kg's of Red Phosphorus for whatever the reason may be. When I order it, will I be asked to provide a reason for my ordering it? Will my address/name be flagged? What could the authorities do if my RP supposedly "disappeared" and I was unable to explain where it went -- yet I was in no way involved with the manufacture of anything illicit with it?

Same goes for HI...

Also, would any permit be required for me to order any of this?

Just.. theorizing here.

Please try to regard the responses to Canada, as the laws are different between Canada and US.

I have never been to Canada, nor do I know any of the laws. However, I do know that rp and HI are probably just as suspicious, esp. when ordered together. You will definitley need reasons for obtaining that, and probably a fake company as no individual should ever need even 1 kilo of red phosphorus. If you are really using these chemicals for legitimate purposes, then just be honest with them, and when Canada's drug agency comes knocking you can show them around your lab with nothing to worry about. However, if you are gonna do anything illegal, then I strongly suggest finding black market sources, or your definitely gonna get cuaght. Make the HI yourself, and get a job at a match factory (and see if you can "divert" some of that phosphorus compound).

Oh yeah, and I guess nothing can really be done right away if it all just "dissapeared". But anybody would take that as VERY suspicious, and I garuntee you won't even be able to piss without being watched. So whatever you do when you contact where it dissapeared to, they will find out. Basically don't fuck with it unless your ready to go to jail.

What is a legitimate reason for ordering RP and HI?

I can acquire both very easily very near me, the only problem of course... is... being flagged.

I may/may not be doing anything illicit, but if an acquantence of mine who has no nvolvement with whatever I or others may do with it, and he was to acquire a large amount, and he gave it to us under the table, and the feds came to his house and were all "WHERE IS THE RP YOU ORDERED?" and he simply said "I dont know" Is there ANYTHING they can do? I wouldnt think so, as he has not done anything illegal, he might know what he was giving it to us to use for, but they cant prove that unless he was to admit it, all hes would have to do (in my mind) is simply say "well one minute it was here, I went to sleep, wokeup, and it was all gone".

The RP and HI will each be acquired by independant people from the same source but differenet people ordering it and paying for it with differenet addresses.

They could have 0 involvement beyond buying the stuff, it simply vanishes from their hands, and they never hear another word about it ever again. Im trying to figure out, what could the feds do? Is there ever any possible way (other than somone admitting) that they could get in trouble if the RP was to vanish from their hands?? even if they were not involved beyond that, and were never contacted again, or anything such as that?

Its pretty much middle manning it over, and im just trying to understand if the middle man could be prosecuted (this given the situation that he doesnt admit that he knows what happened with the product in question -- and the end user of the product never admits their involvement).

I cant think of any better way to word this, hopefully someone can shine a little light on this situation for me, thanks.

Can you really risk your freedom with the people you plan to have buy these things? Ok...I'm just gonna throw out a couple of situations that "could" happen, maybe. Say the person you have get it has a record of some sort, maybe a warrant. Or maybe his family member gets into trouble, the feds may tell 'em, hey...either your kid goes to jail...or you tell us where the RP is. If it's either him/his kid, or you going to jail...who do you think he's gonna pick??

I don't know man.

The person involved id trust my freedom to. The guy has more street credentials than most people I know, and hes trusted by many.

He has no immediate family, and has no criminal record and has never even spoken to a police officer. He doesnt know my name, he doesnt know where I live, he knows nothing about me, and thats the way it should be. But i trust him unconditionally (dont make me explain why... long story).

Would you care to throw anymore 'possiblities' into the pit??

Its all coming down to risk:reward benefit, im just trying to get an understanding of his basic rights if he was to be interrogated about the RP's disappearance from his custody.

Your not listening. Unless your ready to spend long time in prison, DO NOT FUCK WITH IT. If you are then go ahead, if you get away with it, more power to you.

First of all you can't afford that much RP or HI. Second no company will sell it to an individual. Third you don't even know what it is used for so you have no chance, even then the only place it is used is in huge industrial plants and labs. Finally it is highly suspicious and even the smallest order to a place that has never ordered it before or a private individual will come with a police officer. That is if you can find someone to sell it to you. It is perfectly legal but that doesn't mean the police are retarded.

I'm not saying it is impossible just difficult and very risky to your freedom. 50kgs yeah right.

Is the risk worth it?



[This message has been edited by sparkey1311 (edited 11-18-2003).]