i read somewhere (in PIKHAL) that myristicin + Ammonia gives MMDA.

but i'm not a chemist and i would like to know how to do it?

safrole oil + wacker oxidation = mdp2p

mdp2p + reductive amination = mdma



wacker oxidation http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/wacker.krv.html

reductive amination http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/alhg-meno2.html

reductive amination with pictures http://www.rhodium.ws/clandestine/gonzo/index.html



All chems are easy to obtain via ebay or chem shops.

No methylamine reguired.

Distillation is not necessary unless your a profectionist that doesnt want impuritys in your mdma.

No external heat required for both reactions.

Most prefer this more profital drug over methamphetamine.

Why people still fuck wit matchbooks and sinus pill extractions, I don't know?



If your going to risk your freedom mine as well cook X

it's not that easy, you still need to isomerize and oxidize and then aminate, and ammonia (like you are thining) has nothing to do with any part of it. Shulguin was just imagining an enzyme (that probably exsists) that might be able to aminate it directly in one step.

Why would you "need" to isomerize the safrole? Regardless if you isolate the safrole or use the ">90%" straight from the bottle even if the yeild isnt "as high" and contains a few byproducts you can still end up with mdp2p either way.

Shulgan even brings this up in one of his online rambles about toxic impuritys found in xtc tabs caused from running the eugenol through the reactions.

If this so called toxin was anything to worry about swim and millions of other xtc addicts would be dead by now.

Actually swim likes the byproducts, probly the same way most tweekers like the ido-impuritys from a hot, dry i2/rp meth batch.

Most xtc cheffs swim spoke with dont even distill their nitromethane from the castor oil in the glow fuel they use.

Swim uses 80% nitro 10% castor 10% methylene fuel. The castor oil doesnt seem to mess with the reductive amination but small amounts are still present on the crystals after gassing/filtering yet can be easily washes off with toluene since castor oil is soluable in toluene & mdma hcl is not.

Tryptamine is as usual, correct.

The cook is not as simple as NeverSleepy makes out.

The main problem with cooking MDMA here in the UK is aquisition of the safrole though. It's not illegal, can be ordered, but generally arrives half an hour before the drug squad do.

Simpler phenethylamines to manufacture are TMA-2 (from Calamus oil) or DMMDA (from Parsley oil).

As for the method? I'm a pseudonitrosite/urushibara man myself.

Synth

(are you going to Scarborough fair? Parsley, sodium nitrite, ether and nickel chloride...)

but i don't wanna make MDMA, i wanna make MMDA.

so there's no easy step to make it with myristicin and ammonia (or anything else)?

Actualy makeing xtc is as easy as neversleepy makes it out to be. Id like to see someone prove otherwise.

Most "smart" uk cooks would have someone else order the safrass oil, besides there are legit reasons to purchase it anyways like aroma/massage theropy, candles, soaps, incents.

That mmda synth may work but you have to iodinate before you aminate so you would need i2, rp, and anhydrous ammonia.

SWIM thinks for safrole demethylation of eugenol which is available without suspicion of anything by the kilo as clove oil. Methyleneation with methylene chloride/NaOH is just fine for making safrole from the 3,4-OH derivative. SWIM admits it is not the best of yeilds, but doesn't matter as the precursor is plentiful and cheap.

As far as MMDA goes, SWIM thinks that myristicin is 3,4-methylenedioxy-5-methoxy-allylbenzene, if not it is the propenylbenzene which would be just as suitable for precursor use to MMDA. However I don't think that your gonna directly aminate that carbon chain so easily with just ammonia. Just apply the techniques associated with production of amphetamines from any essential amine (i.e. use myristicin like safrole and get MMDA).

SWIM would suggest spending a little bit of cash at the photoshop and pick up some hydroquinone and PdCl. A simple chromic acid oxidation on the hydroquinone gives p-benzoquinone, which SWIM suggests for you to use along with the PdCl on a wacker oxidation of the myristicin, giving the corresponding ketone. Then reduction with any method of choice. Although if using something like ammonia as the amine SWIM suggests using NaBH4 reductions or something.

Another method which would be very clever in SWIMS opinoin, by making the nitroalcohol isntead of nitropropene, and reduce it to the amphetamine. Myristicin can be oxidized easiy to the aldehyde. Make bisulfite adduct, and then condensate with nitroethane, producing an amino alcohol in higher yeilds than if doing a condensation to get the nitropropene. This nitroalcohol can be reacted with something like acetic anhydride producing the acetyl ester. Reduction of this with CTH reduces not only the nitro group, but the ester as well, going straight to the amphetamine. This would give MMDA in three simple high yeilding steps.

That idea came from some patents about nitroalchols SWIM read. Originally, it was mainly a patent about making ephedrines, by condensating benzaldehyde with nitroethane in the above mentioned fasion, creating the nitroalcohol. Reducing that gave PPA. N-methylation will give pseudo. Then it was found that you could proceed straight to amphetamine in one reduction, by esterfying the alcohol first. Then it gets reduced at the same time, giving amphetamine. N-methylation gives meth.

Applause Applause, Swim wondered how long it would take till someone picked up on this, after reading Bruce Eisners: Ecstasy, The MDMA story, a few years ago he mentioned the Myristicin+Ammonia thing. Swim sez "you don't have to tell me twice," & then he does! Whats wrong with the RP/I or the Bromo thing & whats the best way too isolate the Myristicin?dump it in the coffee perk/Cromotog using silicon oxide? As a soap making project in Swims child era they made soap using nutmeg fat. Swim understands that Apiole/PMA,safrole/mdma,Myristicin/mmda, stuff like calamus is mentioned in the Bible & mmda is like a visual Xtc. What would make mdea? Wednesday&Pugsley&Halfapint&whoeatsparsnips rings a bell. Ta./ Tui's a kiwi.

SWIM thought PMA came from anise, not apiole. Hence the licorice smell of the compound (ever smell a couple hundred pills that are PMA, you can tell, as well as a bunch of MDMA or MDA or something will smell rootbeerish).

eugenol > pma

pma is the unwanted toxin according to shulgan

quote:

eugenol > pma



I don't think so.

Eugenol is 3-hydroxy-4-methoxy-allylbenzene. This is why it is a good starting point for safrole. Demethylation on the 4 position gives 3,4-dihydroxy-allylbenzene. Methyleneation of the hydroxy's gives 3,4-methylenedioxyallylbenzene, or safrole.

PMA stands for para-methoxyamphetamine. Para means the substituents are directly opposite of each other. The aminopropane chain is on the 1 position, and directly opposite on the 4 position is the methoxy group, hence the word para. Another name is 4-MA, which is 4-methoxyamphetmine. The allylbenzene for this is present in star anise oil (4-methoxyallylbenzene).

To get PMA from eugenol, one would have to reduce the OH on the 3rd position, which is not that easy. It is more practical to start from anise.

To answer the above question of what does MDEA come from, the answer is still safrole. MDEA does not have any ring or chain substituents changed. A different amine is used. Safrole is made into 3,4-MDP2P. Reductive amination with N-methylamine yeilds MDMA, but red.-amin. with N-ethylamine would yeild MDEA.

The use of nitromethane is popular in aluminum amalgum reductions of phenylacetones because the nitromethane gets reduced to methylamine insitu, so the N-methylated product is always easier and cheaper to make. However, if one had synthesized nitroethane (a class 1 precursor) to make the nitropropene from the aldehyde or something, and had a bunch of nitroethane laying around, I'm sure it could be used instead of nitromethane in the Al/Hg, giving ethylamine produced insitu, instead of methylamine. This would produce MDEA.

Man this place is dead. No wonder I hardly come around anymore.

MDEA is a class "C" ($1000 or 12mths jail) the same as cannabis so Swim figured there must bee a reason for that (its not as dangerous?) as opposed to MDMA, smack,& Acids "A" class ( bankrupt & 10yrs jail). He mixed apiole & aniseed up as the precusor for PMA(death) & also read that with the Cat meth, if bleach is used it turns to Aniseed, or some non psycoactive product. The bit about myristicin-ammonia was about a rabbits guts & how it works, he thunks. Back to the Myristicin- MMDA there is a reciepe via Bromide & another that was with RP/Iodine. Swim wonders why it hasn't taken off like Mdma etc. Swim &Ivanhoe are 'very' interested. And thankyou for your time Madchemist, ( swim tips his hat in a northerly direction). 2 E's a kiwi

BZP is legal too. Its called "frenzy" almos as good as the "real thing" from reports, as SWIM has never tryed ether.